Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
I'e always taken 'build Jerusalem' as a metaphor for building Heaven. I.e. to make the country as Heaven would be.
It's not saying we should build a copy of the Wailing Wall outside the Tower of London ...;)
Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
Is Labour really proposing to actually abolish private schools, nationalise them or just make life very hard for them? It's not clear.
Surely the consequences of this policy must have a lot of negative knock-on effects. Seems daft to me
I can;t afford to buy a brand new NIssan, only a richer few can, so will Labour be campaigning to close the factory down in Sunderland?
Surely this bunch cannot win
The policy is confused, but I think the aim is to get rid of them altogether.
I presume that Conservatives here are comfortable with the fact that a local private secondary school here has been allowed to convert to free school status, thus leaving bills to be paid for by taxpayers instead of parents, but leaving the school free to continue to pick and choose those it admits and solicit additional "voluntary" donations from well-heeled parents.
The bill to the taxpayer would of course be much bigger if Labour integrated the entire private school system into the state sector, at a reported cost of about £3.5 billion. So Labour's policy is quite similar to the free school conversion that the Conservatives were so keen to encourage here, except that the process is forced and the private schools would lose control of their admissions.
Unison's Brexit break with Corbyn is huge. It clears the way for breaks on other issues and may mean it playing a much bigger role in the next leadership election. Pidcock - who I have been talking about on here for a while as the chosen Corbyn constinuity candidate - is close to Unite. But Unison now has more members than Champagne Len's crew. It may be looking closely at who is close to Unison as a result. One name stands out: Angela Rayner.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
I'e always taken 'build Jerusalem' as a metaphor for building Heaven. I.e. to make the country as Heaven would be.
It's not saying we should build a copy of the Wailing Wall outside the Tower of London ...;)
Well it is, but because Jerusalem is heaven on earth etc, Jerusalem as a concept. The different Abrahamic religions have differing versions of that concept and clearly the name will cause ructions due to the political situation. Plus it's two fingers to atheists and non abrahamic types too. A CofE hymn just isn't suitable
Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
I thought it was about a sheep.
It’s rather good even if it is a socialist hymn seeking to replace the dark satanic hills with the new Jerusalem.
Unison's Brexit break with Corbyn is huge. It clears the way for breaks on other issues and may mean it playing a much bigger role in the next leadership election. Pidcock - who I have been talking about on here for a while as the chosen Corbyn constinuity candidate - is close to Unite. But Unison now has more members than Champagne Len's crew. It may be looking closely at who is close to Unison as a result. One name stands out: Angela Rayner.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
Would be funny to have sweet chariot popular at some sporting events but obviously without the hand motions.
Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
I thought it was about a sheep.
It’s rather good even if it is a socialist hymn seeking to replace the dark satanic hills with the new Jerusalem.
Yes I always thought it was a nice song and had elements to appeal to Left and Right alike. It is also a lovely rousing tune. As an atheist the God references don't bother me, but perhaps some others would be offended.
There's a verse which is almost never sung today, of course, which could have been anathema at your school: Lord, grant that Marshall Wade May, by Thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen
Since Wade is probably most famous for his roads nowadays, simply change it: Lord, grant that Marshall Wade May, by Thy mighty aid, Transport bring. May his horse's hush, And bridge a torrent's rush, Rebellious stones to crush. God save the roads!
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
Would be funny to have sweet chariot popular at some sporting events but obviously without the hand motions.
I'm not sure black spiritual songs sung during slavery are meant to be funny
Unison's Brexit break with Corbyn is huge. It clears the way for breaks on other issues and may mean it playing a much bigger role in the next leadership election. Pidcock - who I have been talking about on here for a while as the chosen Corbyn constinuity candidate - is close to Unite. But Unison now has more members than Champagne Len's crew. It may be looking closely at who is close to Unison as a result. One name stands out: Angela Rayner.
Unison's Brexit break with Corbyn is huge. It clears the way for breaks on other issues and may mean it playing a much bigger role in the next leadership election. Pidcock - who I have been talking about on here for a while as the chosen Corbyn constinuity candidate - is close to Unite. But Unison now has more members than Champagne Len's crew. It may be looking closely at who is close to Unison as a result. One name stands out: Angela Rayner.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
the French National Anthem is wonderfully rousing in terms of the tune and the impact it can have when you hear it - until you understand the lyrics
Arise children of the fatherland The day of glory has arrived Against us tyranny's Bloody standard is raised Listen to the sound in the fields The howling of these fearsome soldiers They are coming into our midst To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions March, march Let impure blood Water our furrows
What do they want this horde of slaves Of traitors and conspiratorial kings? For whom these vile chains These long-prepared irons? Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage What methods must be taken? It is us they dare plan To return to the old slavery!
What! These foreign cohorts! They would make laws in our courts! What! These mercenary phalanxes Would cut down our warrior sons Good Lord! By chained hands Our brow would yield under the yoke The vile despots would have themselves be The masters of destiny
Tremble, tyrants and traitors The shame of all good men Tremble! Your parricidal schemes Will receive their just reward Against you we are all soldiers If they fall, our young heros France will bear new ones Ready to join the fight against you
Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors Bear or hold back your blows Spare these sad victims That they regret taking up arms against us But not these bloody despots These accomplices of Bouillé All these tigers who pitilessly Ripped out their mothers' wombs
We too shall enlist When our elders' time has come To add to the list of deeds Inscribed upon their tombs We are much less jealous of surviving them Than of sharing their coffins We shall have the sublime pride Of avenging or joining them
Drive on sacred patriotism Support our avenging arms Liberty, cherished liberty Join the struggle with your defenders Under our flags, let victory Hurry to your manly tone So that in death your enemies See your triumph and our glory!
Let us be grateful we don't get to hear all the verses!
Best to just go the Spanish was and have a nice tune with no official words although I have heard two different versions sung quietly at the same event.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
the French National Anthem is wonderfully rousing in terms of the tune and the impact it can have when you hear it - until you understand the lyrics
[large French rant snipped!]
Let us be grateful we don't get to hear all the verses!
You mean there is more? Do they take an afternoon off to sing it?
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
the French National Anthem is wonderfully rousing in terms of the tune and the impact it can have when you hear it - until you understand the lyrics
Arise children of the fatherland The day of glory has arrived Against us tyranny's Bloody standard is raised Listen to the sound in the fields The howling of these fearsome soldiers They are coming into our midst To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions March, march Let impure blood Water our furrows
What do they want this horde of slaves Of traitors and conspiratorial kings? For whom these vile chains These long-prepared irons? Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage What methods must be taken? It is us they dare plan To return to the old slavery!
What! These foreign cohorts! They would make laws in our courts! What! These mercenary phalanxes Would cut down our warrior sons Good Lord! By chained hands Our brow would yield under the yoke The vile despots would have themselves be The masters of destiny
Tremble, tyrants and traitors The shame of all good men Tremble! Your parricidal schemes Will receive their just reward Against you we are all soldiers If they fall, our young heros France will bear new ones Ready to join the fight against you
Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors Bear or hold back your blows Spare these sad victims That they regret taking up arms against us But not these bloody despots These accomplices of Bouillé All these tigers who pitilessly Ripped out their mothers' wombs
We too shall enlist When our elders' time has come To add to the list of deeds Inscribed upon their tombs We are much less jealous of surviving them Than of sharing their coffins We shall have the sublime pride Of avenging or joining them
Drive on sacred patriotism Support our avenging arms Liberty, cherished liberty Join the struggle with your defenders Under our flags, let victory Hurry to your manly tone So that in death your enemies See your triumph and our glory!
Let us be grateful we don't get to hear all the verses!
Was it the Brazilian or the Costa Rican anthem which seemed to go on for ever at the Olympics? The Sri Lankan one seemed to go on a bit at the World Cup, if I recall correctly.
Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau (Land of my Fathers) is a rousing National Anthem, as is the Marsellaise. The Star Spangled Banner' isn't bad, either, nor the new Aussie one. "God defend New Zealand' always seems a bit naff, although having one English verse and one Maori one is novel.
the French National Anthem is wonderfully rousing in terms of the tune and the impact it can have when you hear it - until you understand the lyrics
[large French rant snipped!]
Let us be grateful we don't get to hear all the verses!
You mean there is more? Do they take an afternoon off to sing it?
Mr. Jezziah, interesting you cite Saudi Arabia's involvement in the proxy war in Yemen (and entirely legitimately so), yet somehow forget Iran's involvement there.
The whole reason there’s a civil war going on in Yemen, is that Qatar and Iran are funding and equipping insurgents who are trying to overthrow the government there.
Behind that, it’s an old fashioned Sunni vs Shia conflict, which have been going on for literally centuries.
And as bad as we have messed around in the region it's very infantilising that some think it all the fault of the West when some if the conflicts are so old.
I can't imagine that an unreconstructed trot like Pidcock will get on the ballot.
Thornberry has a good chance.
I also think that McDonnell might make the ballot too – he's been an unexpected star for Labour. Bright, educated, hard-working and a superb communicator.
He is also more sympathetic to the City than one might assume.
There's a verse which is almost never sung today, of course, which could have been anathema at your school: Lord, grant that Marshall Wade May, by Thy mighty aid, Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen
Since Wade is probably most famous for his roads nowadays, simply change it: Lord, grant that Marshall Wade May, by Thy mighty aid, Transport bring. May his horse's hush, And bridge a torrent's rush, Rebellious stones to crush. God save the roads!
AFAIK this was never an official verse, even in 1830, and mainly exists for SNP types fondling their outrage, in between singing about how anyone who has not fought with William Wallace in 1314 fighting the English is a traitor to Scotland 700 years later.
Serious point this actually. Brexit does give us the chance to adopt a new national anthem for a new country in a new area. I'm going to add that to my list of Brexit positives. It's been stuck at 2 entries for ages so I do need to remember where I put it.
Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
I thought it was about a sheep.
I find the words of the songs pretty irrelevant so long as people can belt it out with patriotic fervour. As an atheist I dont omit god from his save the queen.
These hypothetical polls are JFF – but one could easily envisage a scenario where CON LAB LIB and BXP all polled virtually the same score.
God what a mess that would be, probably what we deserve. Boris is so screwed. Polling says he wont be forgiven if we extend even though its not his fault. He will be praying the polling is wrong.
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
These hypothetical polls are JFF – but one could easily envisage a scenario where CON LAB LIB and BXP all polled virtually the same score.
God what a mess that would be, probably what we deserve. Boris is so screwed. Polling says he wont be forgiven if we extend even though its not his fault. He will be praying the polling is wrong.
"not his fault"? Well it is a view I suppose! I think most of this shit is at least partly his fault. He is a lying little toad who only supported leave because he thought it would advance his career. He then advocated no-deal for the same reason. He is beneath contempt.
These hypothetical polls are JFF – but one could easily envisage a scenario where CON LAB LIB and BXP all polled virtually the same score.
God what a mess that would be, probably what we deserve. Boris is so screwed. Polling says he wont be forgiven if we extend even though its not his fault. He will be praying the polling is wrong.
"Not his fault", except - like May - for proceeding like he had a 100-seat majority. The referendum and GE2017 showed lukewarm appetite for Brexit and the Tories, and it's absolutely their red lines which have put us where we are now: utterly polarised, with most Remainers who were prepared to compromise now manning the turrets against No Deal/hard Brexit.
Genuine coalition-building around a far softer Brexit would have left the Tories in a better place among the electorate (and given that their own party unity is a lost cause anyway, they may as well have gone for that).
None of this forgives the impressive "hold my beer" capabilities of the Her Majesty's Opposition, and a four-way split is exactly where they should expect to end up. The only bad thing about that is it probably weakens the chances of both main parties getting behind an election any time soon.
LibDems have held Yardley in the not too dim-and-distant. And recent polls have them winning it again.
No they don't. Although if Phillips defected and was allowed to stand for the Libs they would.
Seriously, one of the recent polls had the LibDems winning it again.
I know cuz I checked. LibDems had 40% in 2010 to 32% for Labour. If Labour and the LibDems poll at current levels, she's a gonna.
The LibDems fell back to third place there in 2017 and polled just 18% to Labour's 57%. Labour is safe there.
If the Lib Dems were to poll 21% and Labour 25% (as per that ComRes hypothetical poll), where do you think Labour would drop their 15% vote share from the last election and where do you think the Lib Dems would put on their 14% extra vote share?
One thing I would be fairly confident of, with a combined showing of 47% for Labour and the Conservatives, UNS would give a woeful indication of how many seats the two of them would take together.
I can't imagine that an unreconstructed trot like Pidcock will get on the ballot.
Thornberry has a good chance.
I also think that McDonnell might make the ballot too – he's been an unexpected star for Labour. Bright, educated, hard-working and a superb communicator.
He is also more sympathetic to the City than one might assume.
This has no doubt been covered before, so exsqueeze my ignorance, but is there anything to stop Boris applying for membership of EFTA on October 31st, thus sort of leaving the EU as promised? Or would he need permission from the Commons, EU and everyone else before doing so?
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
And Macron has a totally appropriate marriage with his former teacher
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
And Macron has a totally appropriate marriage with his former teacher
Its the stories re his bodyguard which deserve more scrutiny
I think it is unfair posting that. You need to wait and see if there is an islamophobic banner for Tory conference first.
Boris pledged an inquiry into racism and Islamophobia in the Conservative Party and I'm sure it will start anytime now, if not sooner. Or perhaps that was just a political promise. What are the odds?
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
And Macron has a totally appropriate marriage with his former teacher
Were either of them quizzed by reporters for funnelling public money into the lady's business?
I can't imagine that an unreconstructed trot like Pidcock will get on the ballot.
Thornberry has a good chance.
I also think that McDonnell might make the ballot too – he's been an unexpected star for Labour. Bright, educated, hard-working and a superb communicator.
He is also more sympathetic to the City than one might assume.
I agree on McDonnell, he is clearly the best of the far left Labour leadership, and probably the best in the shadow cabinet. He is a better speaker, better interviewee, more consensual, more thoughtful than the others including Corbyn. I dont know if that would make him a better or worse option for the country than Corbyn though!
Probably better in a hung parliament, but worse if he actually could implement what he believes in with a big majority of loyal MPs - the second scenario being very unlikely even in todays turbulent times.
That's absolutely terrible news for Boris. Remember, one of Dom's many masterstrokes was that a Brexit delay would allow Boris to win a landslide on a 'Boris people's champion versus Diehard Remainers in parliament' ticket. If the masses are going to desert Boris anyway then what really is the point of Boris?
So McDonnell proposes a 32 hour week, abolition of zero hours contracts and immediate workers rights for all workers on day 1 of employment under a Labour government in his speech to the Labour conference just now
Off topic, I appreciate transforming vouchers into a holiday prior to TC going El Busto was the smart move as the holiday was ATOL protected whereas Vouchers now are completely worthless but how on earth do you manage to accrue a couple of grands worth of vouchers ?!
The most astonishing thing i have come across is the Mainstream polling of labour members by Yougov which found only 10% happy to sing the national anthem, - that is amazing.
Why amazing ?i don’t support labour and am very uncomfortable singing it. It’s not about a country or it’s people it’s about a hereditary monarch. The other four verses are quite enlightening as well. The only time it sounds anywhere near uplifting is when it is fully orchestrated but that doesn’t change the words. As an aside England shouldn’t use it as their anthem at sports events either as it implies England are the nation state.
I think that for one of the two main political parties to have only 10% of its membership happy to sing the national anthem is amazing. A quick google on the subject finds a Guardian article from the last year saying general support for monarchy is above 70%. That is a massive difference.
I was referring to the anthem and it’s focus on the monarchy, in itself that is not an anti monarchy line but an anti anthem line because the nation is about an awful lot more than HMQ.
Surely most people will go their entire lives without singing the national anthem. It is only recently we've expected the England football team to sing it rather than stand there chewing gum while it is played.
I am in my 40s and we learnt it at school - a comprehensive. Isn’t it something everyone learns?
Not at school but in the Scouts. I think they gave me a badge for learning all the verses.
Me too - Cub Scouts I think more precisely. Also had to make up a scrapbnook re the doings of HM and her Royal Family. About 1990 I had a chat with an Akela [Cubs' packmistress] who complained that that part of the syllabus had become problematical as too many members of the RF had turned out not to be the upstanding examples of personal morality that were suitable for Cub Scout fodder! I have no idea what they do now.
That's absolutely terrible news for Boris. Remember, one of Dom's many masterstrokes was that a Brexit delay would allow Boris to win a landslide on a 'Boris people's champion versus Diehard Remainers in parliament' ticket. If the masses are going to desert Boris anyway then what really is the point of Boris?
It's hypothetical polling though, and who knows how the voters understood the question.
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
That's not quite right. The French were deeply shocked.. by the fact that their President was scuttling off to see his mistress on a moped.
If Corbyn loses the next general election and Pidcock replaces him I think the LDs overtaking Labour as the main alternative to the Tories is inevitable
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
And Macron has a totally appropriate marriage with his former teacher
Were either of them quizzed by reporters for funnelling public money into the lady's business?
I've no idea. But then again, being asked questions isn't the same as having done wrong. I wonder why no fuss was made in 2013? It's not like this is all some hidden truth suddenly laid bare, it must have been known at the time
McDonnell also says the Government should have bailed out Thomas Cook
Why not? He's saying he'll throw countless billions at every other real or imagined cause, so a quarter of a billion on a tour operator is small change.
The most astonishing thing i have come across is the Mainstream polling of labour members by Yougov which found only 10% happy to sing the national anthem, - that is amazing.
Why amazing ?i don’t support labour and am very uncomfortable singing it. It’s not about a country or it’s people it’s about a hereditary monarch. The other four verses are quite enlightening as well. The only time it sounds anywhere near uplifting is when it is fully orchestrated but that doesn’t change the words. As an aside England shouldn’t use it as their anthem at sports events either as it implies England are the nation state.
I think that for one of the two main political parties to have only 10% of its membership happy to sing the national anthem is amazing. A quick google on the subject finds a Guardian article from the last year saying general support for monarchy is above 70%. That is a massive difference.
I was referring to the anthem and it’s focus on the monarchy, in itself that is not an anti monarchy line but an anti anthem line because the nation is about an awful lot more than HMQ.
Surely most people will go their entire lives without singing the national anthem. It is only recently we've expected the England football team to sing it rather than stand there chewing gum while it is played.
I am in my 40s and we learnt it at school - a comprehensive. Isn’t it something everyone learns?
Not at school but in the Scouts. I think they gave me a badge for learning all the verses.
Me too - Cub Scouts I think more precisely. Also had to make up a scrapbnook re the doings of HM and her Royal Family. About 1990 I had a chat with an Akela [Cubs' packmistress] who complained that that part of the syllabus had become problematical as too many members of the RF had turned out not to be the upstanding examples of personal morality that were suitable for Cub Scout fodder! I have no idea what they do now.
LibDems have held Yardley in the not too dim-and-distant. And recent polls have them winning it again.
No they don't. Although if Phillips defected and was allowed to stand for the Libs they would.
Seriously, one of the recent polls had the LibDems winning it again.
I know cuz I checked. LibDems had 40% in 2010 to 32% for Labour. If Labour and the LibDems poll at current levels, she's a gonna.
The LibDems fell back to third place there in 2017 and polled just 18% to Labour's 57%. Labour is safe there.
If the Lib Dems were to poll 21% and Labour 25% (as per that ComRes hypothetical poll), where do you think Labour would drop their 15% vote share from the last election and where do you think the Lib Dems would put on their 14% extra vote share?
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That would still leave Labour on 41% with the LDs on 32%. Jess Phillips will have a personal vote. Yardley was Tory -held until 1992 when Estelle Morris won it for Labour. Prior to that , it had been a Labour/Tory marginal. The Tories were back in second place in 2017.
If labour claim they would bail out thomas cook, i presume basically every failing company will also get similar tax payer assistant. I suppose it is one way of nationalizing everything.
Any song with God in is a poor choice. Jerusalem is about whether the Christ child visited England with his uncle, and 'building Jerusalem' here, it's about the glorification of Christianity and given the status of Jerusalem as the centre of religious strife and war in the middle east it's not a great ditty for the minority religions of the UK.
I thought it was about a sheep.
It’s rather good even if it is a socialist hymn seeking to replace the dark satanic hills with the new Jerusalem.
Yes I always thought it was a nice song and had elements to appeal to Left and Right alike. It is also a lovely rousing tune. As an atheist the God references don't bother me, but perhaps some others would be offended.
That it was written by a non conformist, radical mystic always tickles me when I see/hear it being sung by the typical rugby crowd.
If Corbyn loses the next general election and Pidcock replaces him I think the LDs overtaking Labour as the main alternative to the Tories is inevitable
Is the icon next to your name representative of your hero, aka Boris Johnson?
Which is why Boris will lead the Tories into opposition rather than stay PM and extend
The question says nothing about who has extended to after October 31st, but I think the polling in reality would be different as to the exact circumstances of the extension. I think the polling hit for the Tories would be bigger if say Johnson did it compared to perhaps Bercow, a Scottish court, Harman or Corbyn being PM at the time (who knows ?) Mentally Brexiteers are reading that question as "And Boris has sold us down the river" I expect right now.
If labour claim they would bail out thomas cook, i presume basically every failing company will also get similar tax payer assistant. I suppose it is one way of nationalizing everything.
McDonnell also says the Government should have bailed out Thomas Cook
Why not? He's saying he'll throw countless billions at every other real or imagined cause, so a quarter of a billion on a tour operator is small change.
On questions like this we are ruled by dogma instead of practicality.
Socialists say we must nationalise! Right wingers (cant call them conservatives and keep a straight face anymore) say it is a free market we must let the market decide!
The correct question is clearly is the country better off by nationalising Thomas Cook, subsidising them temporarily with loan guarantess or letting them fail.
This has no doubt been covered before, so exsqueeze my ignorance, but is there anything to stop Boris applying for membership of EFTA on October 31st, thus sort of leaving the EU as promised? Or would he need permission from the Commons, EU and everyone else before doing so?
Hasn't EFTA been sprinkling icy water fairly consistently on the idea?
McDonnell also says the Government should have bailed out Thomas Cook
But what can Boris say in response? He's been 'picking winners' himself with taxpayers' money, and I'd suggest that the public has a greater affection for Thomas Cook than the failed business ventures of Ms Arcuri.
Which is why Boris will lead the Tories into opposition rather than stay PM and extend
The question says nothing about who has extended to after October 31st, but I think the polling in reality would be different as to the exact circumstances of the extension. I think the polling hit for the Tories would be bigger if say Johnson did it compared to perhaps Bercow, a Scottish court, Harman or Corbyn being PM at the time (who knows ?) Mentally Brexiteers are reading that question as "And Boris has sold us down the river" I expect right now.
Fallen off all the front pages and bbc website. Poor Niall.
I am sure it will return. Probably the first of many such scandals. Boris Johnson is as unsuited for PM as Corbyn, just for different reasons. We need to keep being reminded!
pah. your Daily Mail morality kicks in
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
And Macron has a totally appropriate marriage with his former teacher
Its the stories re his bodyguard which deserve more scrutiny
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It's not saying we should build a copy of the Wailing Wall outside the Tower of London ...;)
Besides, the best version of the song was done by the KLF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1C5V9i6lCE
I presume that Conservatives here are comfortable with the fact that a local private secondary school here has been allowed to convert to free school status, thus leaving bills to be paid for by taxpayers instead of parents, but leaving the school free to continue to pick and choose those it admits and solicit additional "voluntary" donations from well-heeled parents.
The bill to the taxpayer would of course be much bigger if Labour integrated the entire private school system into the state sector, at a reported cost of about £3.5 billion. So Labour's policy is quite similar to the free school conversion that the Conservatives were so keen to encourage here, except that the process is forced and the private schools would lose control of their admissions.
LibDems have held Yardley in the not too dim-and-distant. And recent polls have them winning it again.
We're going to catch a big one...
All we need now are Lammy and Abbott ... and all the rest.
Lord, grant that Marshall Wade
May, by Thy mighty aid,
Transport bring.
May his horse's hush,
And bridge a torrent's rush,
Rebellious stones to crush.
God save the roads!
Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows
What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!
What! These foreign cohorts!
They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be
The masters of destiny
Tremble, tyrants and traitors
The shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes
Will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers
If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones
Ready to join the fight against you
Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors
Bear or hold back your blows
Spare these sad victims
That they regret taking up arms against us
But not these bloody despots
These accomplices of Bouillé
All these tigers who pitilessly
Ripped out their mothers' wombs
We too shall enlist
When our elders' time has come
To add to the list of deeds
Inscribed upon their tombs
We are much less jealous of surviving them
Than of sharing their coffins
We shall have the sublime pride
Of avenging or joining them
Drive on sacred patriotism
Support our avenging arms
Liberty, cherished liberty
Join the struggle with your defenders
Under our flags, let victory
Hurry to your manly tone
So that in death your enemies
See your triumph and our glory!
Let us be grateful we don't get to hear all the verses!
Given the state of Westminster these days, what about "Dirty Old Town" by The Pogues?
I know cuz I checked. LibDems had 40% in 2010 to 32% for Labour. If Labour and the LibDems poll at current levels, she's a gonna.
Thornberry has a good chance.
I also think that McDonnell might make the ballot too – he's been an unexpected star for Labour. Bright, educated, hard-working and a superb communicator.
He is also more sympathetic to the City than one might assume.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1176087917149728768
Genuine coalition-building around a far softer Brexit would have left the Tories in a better place among the electorate (and given that their own party unity is a lost cause anyway, they may as well have gone for that).
None of this forgives the impressive "hold my beer" capabilities of the Her Majesty's Opposition, and a four-way split is exactly where they should expect to end up. The only bad thing about that is it probably weakens the chances of both main parties getting behind an election any time soon.
One thing I would be fairly confident of, with a combined showing of 47% for Labour and the Conservatives, UNS would give a woeful indication of how many seats the two of them would take together.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/22/sick-explaining-real-brexit-story-ill-informed-foreigners/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-says-uk-could-join-trump-in-military-action-against-iran-after-saudi-arabia-attack/ar-AAHHd58?ocid=spartanntp
President Hollande used to nip out for a quickie with an actress and then home to his partner and nobody batted an eyelid.
The ballad of Brexit
Shirley not?!
Probably better in a hung parliament, but worse if he actually could implement what he believes in with a big majority of loyal MPs - the second scenario being very unlikely even in todays turbulent times.
I think the polling hit for the Tories would be bigger if say Johnson did it compared to perhaps Bercow, a Scottish court, Harman or Corbyn being PM at the time (who knows ?)
Mentally Brexiteers are reading that question as "And Boris has sold us down the river" I expect right now.
Blue ones 172
Orange ones 100
Tartan ones 51
Pale blue with Arrows 34
Welsh ones 4
Green ones 3
.. according to Flavible
Socialists say we must nationalise!
Right wingers (cant call them conservatives and keep a straight face anymore) say it is a free market we must let the market decide!
The correct question is clearly is the country better off by nationalising Thomas Cook, subsidising them temporarily with loan guarantess or letting them fail.
We never get to that question.