That's ok, but there must come a time when you realise he's not an individual who can generate enough support to implement Labour policies. As such, what is the point, other than creating a warm, fuzzy feeling?
It's amazing how much your life story seems to coincide with that other PB poster, SeanT ...
But he's not the same person however. Because he said so. So that's that.
Do you come from Stoke and support Port Vale?
No and yes respectively. Though the limit of my support is 'how are 'we' doing?' every few weeks. I'm a good local Scouser. I support Vale because I'm a glory hunter. Those other Merseyside teams are rubbish.
It's amazing how much your life story seems to coincide with that other PB poster, SeanT ...
But he's not the same person however. Because he said so. So that's that.
Do you come from Stoke and support Port Vale?
No and yes respectively. Though the limit of my support is 'how are 'we' doing?' every few weeks. I'm a good local Scouser. I support Vale because I'm a glory hunter. Those other Merseyside teams are rubbish.
Well, despite the frenetic attention being paid to the current poll ratings, I suspect that Brexit will play quite an important role in the next election, and the Brexit issues will change out of all recognition - in one way or another - on 31 October.
Given the fact that it's now impossible to have an election before then, basing betting decisions on the current polls seems like a bad idea.
I think it would be fair to say that if the LDs go into the next election with their pledge, win an extra 300+ seats in a FPTP system and form a government then I, who am not pro remain, would take my hat off to them and make no complaint about remaining. Distinguishing between Jo Swinson and the Taliban is not all that demanding a task for Labour front benchers who are clever enough to distinguish between the LOTO and a supporter of extremist groups.
Let me preface this by saying that I condone neither of the big two parties, but there seems to be a steady stream of posts praising the LDs and opining the inevitable collapse of Corbyn/Johnson (Pick your poison). I mean talk of 200+ seats, seriously?
1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats. 2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril. 3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform. 4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.
When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.
That's ok, but there must come a time when you realise he's not an individual who can generate enough support to implement Labour policies. As such, what is the point, other than creating a warm, fuzzy feeling?
I suspect we would do better with someone else but (1) I don't know who that might be given if they are not from the Left then we lose half the point and (2) he has earned the right to fight the next election because in the only one he has fought he massively surpassed expectations.
Good afternoon, fellow People's Front of Judea enthusiasts.
Do not listen to the propaganda of the Judean People's Front! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious red flag with the stain of truth!
Once Supreme Leader Corbyn assumes his rightful place and abolishes the private sector, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our socialist friends in Venezuela, shall be ushered in!
Good afternoon, fellow Judean People's Front enthusiasts.
Do not listen to the propaganda of the People's Front of Judea! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious blue flag with the stain of truth!
Once Supreme Leader Boris assumes his rightful place and abolishes cross border cooperation, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our isolationist friends in North Korea, shall be ushered in!
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Corbyn is clearly unpopular , but Johnson is far less popular than May was in April 2017 . As a result, the relative popularity of the leaders may matter less than two years ago. The Tory lead is also much smaller than was the case early in that campaign..
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
What you seem to be saying is "They may be ignorant, but they don't like it when someone says so."
Corbyn is clearly unpopular , but Johnson is far less popular than May was in April 2017 . As a result, the relative popularity of the leaders may matter less than two years ago. The Tory lead is also much smaller.
An interesting question would be to what extent leader popularity matters. I know that some people have been rattling on about the importance of that metric for some time, and I for one find it partially convincing. But it's not everything. Furthermore, the importance of leadership might be differential across different sectors of voters. Personally, I'm probably going to vote Lib Dem next election, but it's emphatically not an endorsement of Swinson in particular. The likeability of a leader should be regarded as a push or pull factor, not as decisive. And if someone wants to do a fancy study giving an estimate of that factor, we'd all be interested to read it I think.
Let me preface this by saying that I condone neither of the big two parties, but there seems to be a steady stream of posts praising the LDs and opining the inevitable collapse of Corbyn/Johnson (Pick your poison). I mean talk of 200+ seats, seriously?
1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats. 2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril. 3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform. 4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.
When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.
Certainly agree with the LD. FPTP is a cruel mistress, and they have only 11 MPs defending seats (People have asked before, but a reply I haven't seen - what is the position with Steve Lloyd - Wiki says he doesn't have the Whip, but is still a LD party member).
The seven joiners from other parties are so far behind in their existing Constituencies, so personal votes of a few thousand aren't going to help them hold the seats. Besides, both Umunna and Berger are jumping ship to fight elsewhere.
With Nick Clegg's 23% performance in 2010, they managed only 57 seats, 1% higher vote share and 5 lower(!) seats.
60 seats is certainly doable. 80 is really pushing it. More than 100, and I would expect them to be on a least 35%, which I just can't see.
If things don't go to plan, I can easily see them NOT regaining third party in terms of seats.
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Good afternoon, fellow Judean People's Front enthusiasts.
Do not listen to the propaganda of the People's Front of Judea! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious blue flag with the stain of truth!
Once Supreme Leader Boris assumes his rightful place and abolishes cross border cooperation, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our isolationist friends in North Korea, shall be ushered in!
That is a great HYUFD impression. You can't say parody, because he is a parody of himself.
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Just so.
If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
Off topic - Doesn't the new offshore wind strike price (& Hence viability of simply surrounding the UK with offshore wind) + electric car revolution incoming not solve pretty much all of the UK's CO2 emission problems ?
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Just so.
If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
Ever to be known as the Gullible Ones (aka the 52 percenters)
Let me preface this by saying that I condone neither of the big two parties, but there seems to be a steady stream of posts praising the LDs and opining the inevitable collapse of Corbyn/Johnson (Pick your poison). I mean talk of 200+ seats, seriously?
1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats. 2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril. 3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform. 4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.
When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.
Certainly agree with the LD. FPTP is a cruel mistress, and they have only 11 MPs defending seats (People have asked before, but a reply I haven't seen - what is the position with Steve Lloyd - Wiki says he doesn't have the Whip, but is still a LD party member).
The seven joiners from other parties are so far behind in their existing Constituencies, so personal votes of a few thousand aren't going to help them hold the seats. Besides, both Umunna and Berger are jumping ship to fight elsewhere.
With Nick Clegg's 23% performance in 2010, they managed only 57 seats, 1% higher vote share and 5 lower(!) seats.
60 seats is certainly doable. 80 is really pushing it. More than 100, and I would expect them to be on a least 35%, which I just can't see.
If things don't go to plan, I can easily see them NOT regaining third party in terms of seats.
FPTP is has inherent tipping points, once exceeded seats fall thick and fast. Take your 35% in order to get 100 seats. That implies that everybod else has 65% between them. So how would that be distributed?
Labour 25% ( they wouldn't go very much lower would they?) Brexit 10% maybe Green 5% Others 2%
So add that up and you get 23% left for the Tories. With those figures it's landslide territory for the Lib Dems.
Not that I think it's going to happen, but they (and indeed anybody else) could win with around 30%, I think we should look at the opinion polls with that in mind.
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Just so.
If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
I would be a little more general than that myself. There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.
The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
"Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay on Thursday said the UK should be given until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement for [the backstop]"
Doesn't the government have until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement to the backstop under the existing WA?
Yes, they do. Or, for that matter, if the UK government needs more time before committing to something, they can simply ask for an extension to Article 50.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
In my case, your assumption would be wrong. I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Just so.
If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
I would be a little more general than that myself. There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.
The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
I fully accept my own culpability in adding to the general stupidity of the human race, but as you imply there's a distinction between those whose stupidity brings down trouble solely on their own fat pumpkinheads and others who think it's not a big deal if all pumpkinheads suffer for their choices. In fact I believe it may be the case that some of those fat pumpkinheads have made special arrangements to specifically deflect trouble from their squashy heads.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
I dont really mind, Im just aware of how different the reaction would have been if it had been Farage.
I think it would have worked ok had he just said "terrorist group" to be fair
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
In my case, your assumption would be wrong. I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
I don’t think that was his point....
Of course it wasn't, he wanted to spin it. The joke would have lost something if he'd said '..a terrorist group from a country bordering a country in the Middle East'.
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
In my case, your assumption would be wrong. I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
I have to issue a correction. It's actually candidates for THREE separate parties. I was forgetting one single leaflet run before the 2005 election.
A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.
We already have a deal!
A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
And that, according to @Brom, is looking more likely by the hour? Really?
Meh, I remember the days when the WA was not up for negotiation.
You'll no doubt also remember the days when 'no deal was better than a bad deal' or even when a trade deal with the EU would be the 'easiest thing in the world'.
If you ignore 'dissatisfied' as you suggested yesterday Corbyn shares the losers slot with Hague IDS and Foot which doesn't bode well. If he can't turn it round with Johnson in the opposite corner I can't see much hope
OT. For cinema lovers. 'The Farewell' is an excellent film. I only mention it because anyone reading a synopsis wouldn't go near it
Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
I dont really mind, Im just aware of how different the reaction would have been if it had been Farage.
I think it would have worked ok had he just said "terrorist group" to be fair
I suspect it was I, placing the Taliban in Central Asia.
To be fair to Tim, this is up there among his most memorable lines. It is an absolute bullseye hitting the target perfectly. It makes a strong point with clarity and humour. In addition it is concise.
A pity his other memorable lines were not helpful to him as leader.
I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
Just so.
If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
I would be a little more general than that myself. There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.
The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
I fully accept my own culpability in adding to the general stupidity of the human race, but as you imply there's a distinction between those whose stupidity brings down trouble solely on their own fat pumpkinheads and others who think it's not a big deal if all pumpkinheads suffer for their choices. In fact I believe it may be the case that some of those fat pumpkinheads have made special arrangements to specifically deflect trouble from their squashy heads.
There are some leavers who don't even have a single candle lightning inside their pumpkins.
A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.
We already have a deal!
A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
And that, according to @Brom, is looking more likely by the hour? Really?
Meh, I remember the days when the WA was not up for negotiation.
You'll no doubt also remember the days when 'no deal was better than a bad deal' or even when a trade deal with the EU would be the 'easiest thing in the world'.
Yeah, she clearly didn't follow through on that, although I suspect she saw it as a good deal. As for the easiest thing in the world, Fox said it should be, but that politics would get in the way. Perhaps one of the most misquoted quotations used on this site.
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also, Emily T's taliban comments. christ.
But that is his limit.
Given the fact that it's now impossible to have an election before then, basing betting decisions on the current polls seems like a bad idea.
You weren't backing him, I hope!
1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats.
2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril.
3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform.
4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.
When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.
Do not listen to the propaganda of the Judean People's Front! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious red flag with the stain of truth!
Once Supreme Leader Corbyn assumes his rightful place and abolishes the private sector, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our socialist friends in Venezuela, shall be ushered in!
Do not listen to the propaganda of the People's Front of Judea! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious blue flag with the stain of truth!
Once Supreme Leader Boris assumes his rightful place and abolishes cross border cooperation, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our isolationist friends in North Korea, shall be ushered in!
Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
Sounds fair enough.
What's with the donkey?
https://twitter.com/DavidDPaxton/status/1175014162759659521
Yang also looks overcooked and I think people are mad to top up on Warren at her price - though she has the sort of slow momentum that can win.
Biden about right maybe a bit long, perhaps a touch of Sanders value there.
The likeability of a leader should be regarded as a push or pull factor, not as decisive. And if someone wants to do a fancy study giving an estimate of that factor, we'd all be interested to read it I think.
The seven joiners from other parties are so far behind in their existing Constituencies, so personal votes of a few thousand aren't going to help them hold the seats. Besides, both Umunna and Berger are jumping ship to fight elsewhere.
With Nick Clegg's 23% performance in 2010, they managed only 57 seats, 1% higher vote share and 5 lower(!) seats.
60 seats is certainly doable. 80 is really pushing it. More than 100, and I would expect them to be on a least 35%, which I just can't see.
If things don't go to plan, I can easily see them NOT regaining third party in terms of seats.
Doubt I'm the first with that.
On the whole I think he should stick to stand-up.
Will Jezza join them ? Yes but again he will look weak and bitter for stopping a deal.
Likely the DUP won’t either.
Is there a medical issue?
Loath to join in with the ridicule just in case there is.
But if there isn't - what a plonker!
If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
Take your 35% in order to get 100 seats. That implies that everybod else has 65% between them. So how would that be distributed?
Labour 25% ( they wouldn't go very much lower would they?)
Brexit 10% maybe
Green 5%
Others 2%
So add that up and you get 23% left for the Tories.
With those figures it's landslide territory for the Lib Dems.
Not that I think it's going to happen, but they (and indeed anybody else) could win with around 30%, I think we should look at the opinion polls with that in mind.
Doesn't the government have until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement to the backstop under the existing WA?
There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.
The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
I think it would have worked ok had he just said "terrorist group" to be fair
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2019/how-to-fix-politics-in-america/misinformation/
The joke would have lost something if he'd said '..a terrorist group from a country bordering a country in the Middle East'.
They still hold out hope that Brexit will never happen.
OT. For cinema lovers. 'The Farewell' is an excellent film. I only mention it because anyone reading a synopsis wouldn't go near it
To be fair to Tim, this is up there among his most memorable lines. It is an absolute bullseye hitting the target perfectly. It makes a strong point with clarity and humour. In addition it is concise.
A pity his other memorable lines were not helpful to him as leader.
No to the first (I would be happy to see May's deal signed).
Yes to second - the ERG continue to keep that hope alive.