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  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,527
    First unlike JC!
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,028
    Third like Labour
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,284
    Tabman said:

    Third like Labour

    Surely even Jeremy can count to two ?
  • late, like corbyn on the uptake
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,284
    Fifth like the column he’s failing to lead.
  • Sixty is a nice round Babylonian number.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,218
    Well I like him.
  • deserved, totally totally deserved

    also, Emily T's taliban comments. christ.
  • Nigelb said:

    Tabman said:

    Third like Labour

    Surely even Jeremy can count to two ?
    he is *quite* stupid.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2019
    kinabalu said:

    Well I like him.

    That's ok, but there must come a time when you realise he's not an individual who can generate enough support to implement Labour policies. As such, what is the point, other than creating a warm, fuzzy feeling?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    kinabalu said:

    Well I like him.

    Hey pollsters - we've found him!
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,380
    Curse of the new thread:

    nichomar said:



    It's amazing how much your life story seems to coincide with that other PB poster, SeanT ... ;)

    But he's not the same person however. Because he said so. So that's that.

    Do you come from Stoke and support Port Vale?
    No and yes respectively. Though the limit of my support is 'how are 'we' doing?' every few weeks.
    I'm a good local Scouser. I support Vale because I'm a glory hunter. Those other Merseyside teams are rubbish.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,697
    Scott_P said:
    Good comment Tim, but Taliban are mostly associated with Afghanistan, which is in Central Asia....

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Nigelb said:

    Tabman said:

    Third like Labour

    Surely even Jeremy can count to two ?
    One Grade E A-level.... Two Grade E A-levels......

    But that is his limit.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    And this, kids, is why Boris Johnson is still in charge.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Pulpstar said:

    And this, kids, is why Boris Johnson is still in charge.

    And in their prayers at night, every Tory asks God to keep Jeremy Corbyn safe and well......
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Curse of the new thread:

    nichomar said:



    It's amazing how much your life story seems to coincide with that other PB poster, SeanT ... ;)

    But he's not the same person however. Because he said so. So that's that.

    Do you come from Stoke and support Port Vale?
    No and yes respectively. Though the limit of my support is 'how are 'we' doing?' every few weeks.
    I'm a good local Scouser. I support Vale because I'm a glory hunter. Those other Merseyside teams are rubbish.
    ..
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882
    Well, despite the frenetic attention being paid to the current poll ratings, I suspect that Brexit will play quite an important role in the next election, and the Brexit issues will change out of all recognition - in one way or another - on 31 October.

    Given the fact that it's now impossible to have an election before then, basing betting decisions on the current polls seems like a bad idea.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882
    Scott_P said:
    This is same Tim Farron who advocated a biblical approach to sexual morality? We all know what the Old Testament said about that, don't we?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,576
    edited September 2019
    Scott_P said:
    I think it would be fair to say that if the LDs go into the next election with their pledge, win an extra 300+ seats in a FPTP system and form a government then I, who am not pro remain, would take my hat off to them and make no complaint about remaining. Distinguishing between Jo Swinson and the Taliban is not all that demanding a task for Labour front benchers who are clever enough to distinguish between the LOTO and a supporter of extremist groups.
  • Let me preface this by saying that I condone neither of the big two parties, but there seems to be a steady stream of posts praising the LDs and opining the inevitable collapse of Corbyn/Johnson (Pick your poison). I mean talk of 200+ seats, seriously?

    1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats.
    2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril.
    3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform.
    4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.

    When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,218
    Anorak said:

    That's ok, but there must come a time when you realise he's not an individual who can generate enough support to implement Labour policies. As such, what is the point, other than creating a warm, fuzzy feeling?

    I suspect we would do better with someone else but (1) I don't know who that might be given if they are not from the Left then we lose half the point and (2) he has earned the right to fight the next election because in the only one he has fought he massively surpassed expectations.
  • Good afternoon, fellow People's Front of Judea enthusiasts.

    Do not listen to the propaganda of the Judean People's Front! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious red flag with the stain of truth!

    Once Supreme Leader Corbyn assumes his rightful place and abolishes the private sector, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our socialist friends in Venezuela, shall be ushered in!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    I see that in the World Cup tomorrow, Alien v Predator - sorry New Zealand v South Africa - is on at the quite civilsed time of 10.45 am.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    edited September 2019
    £85 matched at around a weighted average of 850 on Betfair. One for the "never was" category.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Good afternoon, fellow Judean People's Front enthusiasts.

    Do not listen to the propaganda of the People's Front of Judea! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious blue flag with the stain of truth!

    Once Supreme Leader Boris assumes his rightful place and abolishes cross border cooperation, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our isolationist friends in North Korea, shall be ushered in!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    In other free money news, I've just laid Clinton some more.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
  • Pulpstar said:

    In other free money news, I've just laid Clinton some more.
    The odds on her are just nuts.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited September 2019
    Corbyn is clearly unpopular , but Johnson is far less popular than May was in April 2017 . As a result, the relative popularity of the leaders may matter less than two years ago. The Tory lead is also much smaller than was the case early in that campaign..
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    What you seem to be saying is "They may be ignorant, but they don't like it when someone says so."

    Sounds fair enough.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,218

    Hey pollsters - we've found him!

    Well, you know. 60% of people don't like broccoli either. But it's very good for you.

    What's with the donkey?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Anybody shared this excruciating monologue? It's really quite something.
    https://twitter.com/DavidDPaxton/status/1175014162759659521
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757

    Pulpstar said:

    In other free money news, I've just laid Clinton some more.
    The odds on her are just nuts.
    What point do you think the market will realise her true price - Iowa Caucus ?

    Yang also looks overcooked and I think people are mad to top up on Warren at her price - though she has the sort of slow momentum that can win.

    Biden about right maybe a bit long, perhaps a touch of Sanders value there.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2019
    kinabalu said:

    Hey pollsters - we've found him!

    Well, you know. 60% of people don't like broccoli either. But it's very good for you.

    What's with the donkey?
    Selfie. (sorry, couldn't resist, and I can hardly talk).
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    justin124 said:

    Corbyn is clearly unpopular , but Johnson is far less popular than May was in April 2017 . As a result, the relative popularity of the leaders may matter less than two years ago. The Tory lead is also much smaller.

    An interesting question would be to what extent leader popularity matters. I know that some people have been rattling on about the importance of that metric for some time, and I for one find it partially convincing. But it's not everything. Furthermore, the importance of leadership might be differential across different sectors of voters. Personally, I'm probably going to vote Lib Dem next election, but it's emphatically not an endorsement of Swinson in particular.
    The likeability of a leader should be regarded as a push or pull factor, not as decisive. And if someone wants to do a fancy study giving an estimate of that factor, we'd all be interested to read it I think.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,380

    Let me preface this by saying that I condone neither of the big two parties, but there seems to be a steady stream of posts praising the LDs and opining the inevitable collapse of Corbyn/Johnson (Pick your poison). I mean talk of 200+ seats, seriously?

    1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats.
    2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril.
    3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform.
    4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.

    When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.

    Certainly agree with the LD. FPTP is a cruel mistress, and they have only 11 MPs defending seats (People have asked before, but a reply I haven't seen - what is the position with Steve Lloyd - Wiki says he doesn't have the Whip, but is still a LD party member).

    The seven joiners from other parties are so far behind in their existing Constituencies, so personal votes of a few thousand aren't going to help them hold the seats. Besides, both Umunna and Berger are jumping ship to fight elsewhere.

    With Nick Clegg's 23% performance in 2010, they managed only 57 seats, 1% higher vote share and 5 lower(!) seats.

    60 seats is certainly doable. 80 is really pushing it. More than 100, and I would expect them to be on a least 35%, which I just can't see.

    If things don't go to plan, I can easily see them NOT regaining third party in terms of seats.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,218
    Noo said:

    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.

    Och aye the Noo. I agree.

    Doubt I'm the first with that.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 8,882
    Anorak said:

    Anybody shared this excruciating monologue? It's really quite something.
    https://twitter.com/DavidDPaxton/status/1175014162759659521

    Is this from Channel 5?

    On the whole I think he should stick to stand-up.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Anorak said:

    Anybody shared this excruciating monologue? It's really quite something.
    https://twitter.com/DavidDPaxton/status/1175014162759659521

    Jesus fucking christ. That's it, I'm off. I'm going to start looking for jobs in another country tonight.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    One benefit of the LD position is that they can now vote down Boris’s new deal as they are clearly anti Brexit/voter.

    Will Jezza join them ? Yes but again he will look weak and bitter for stopping a deal.
  • TGOHF said:

    One benefit of the LD position is that they can now vote down Boris’s new deal as they are clearly anti Brexit/voter.

    Will Jezza join them ? Yes but again he will look weak and bitter for stopping a deal.

    Plus the ERG 'Spartans' of course.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Sixty is a nice round Babylonian number.

    You should meet her sister.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    TGOHF said:

    One benefit of the LD position is that they can now vote down Boris’s new deal as they are clearly anti Brexit/voter.

    Will Jezza join them ? Yes but again he will look weak and bitter for stopping a deal.

    Jezza 16% approval Corbyn
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    TGOHF said:

    One benefit of the LD position is that they can now vote down Boris’s new deal as they are clearly anti Brexit/voter.

    Will Jezza join them ? Yes but again he will look weak and bitter for stopping a deal.

    Plus the ERG 'Spartans' of course.
    Let’s see how many there are - JRM won’t be joining them this time.

    Likely the DUP won’t either.
  • Noo said:

    Good afternoon, fellow Judean People's Front enthusiasts.

    Do not listen to the propaganda of the People's Front of Judea! The slurs of splitters cannot besmirch our glorious blue flag with the stain of truth!

    Once Supreme Leader Boris assumes his rightful place and abolishes cross border cooperation, a new era of prosperity and happiness, as is currently enjoyed by our isolationist friends in North Korea, shall be ushered in!

    That is a great HYUFD impression. You can't say parody, because he is a parody of himself.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,218
    edited September 2019
    Jeremy Vine does sound overwrought there.

    Is there a medical issue?

    Loath to join in with the ridicule just in case there is.

    But if there isn't - what a plonker!
  • Chris said:

    Anorak said:

    Anybody shared this excruciating monologue? It's really quite something.
    https://twitter.com/DavidDPaxton/status/1175014162759659521

    Is this from Channel 5?

    On the whole I think he should stick to stand-up.
    Serious cringe.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,638
    Anorak said:

    Anybody shared this excruciating monologue? It's really quite something.
    https://twitter.com/DavidDPaxton/status/1175014162759659521

    It is very Accidental Partridge
  • Mr. Noo, they do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. One is deeply touched by your high regard.
  • Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    Just so.

    If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757
    Off topic - Doesn't the new offshore wind strike price (& Hence viability of simply surrounding the UK with offshore wind) + electric car revolution incoming not solve pretty much all of the UK's CO2 emission problems ?
  • Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    Just so.

    If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
    Ever to be known as the Gullible Ones (aka the 52 percenters)
  • Let me preface this by saying that I condone neither of the big two parties, but there seems to be a steady stream of posts praising the LDs and opining the inevitable collapse of Corbyn/Johnson (Pick your poison). I mean talk of 200+ seats, seriously?

    1. The LDs start from such a low base last time that any improvement will be hailed as a marvellous vindication of any revoke policy. First past the post will probably not translate this into seats.
    2. Corbyn, for his sins, is a good campaigner. He has been underestimated at every turn, do so again at your peril.
    3. The Tory party are ahead in the polls, and perhaps by quite a way. We're leaving deal or no deal has as much clout on the doorstep as revoke and reform.
    4. Everybody will probably be destroyed again in Scotland by the SNP.

    When I'm betting I'm definitely factoring the innate conservatism of the electorate. I think we'll end up with a result halfway between 2015 and 2017 with a few LD gains.

    Certainly agree with the LD. FPTP is a cruel mistress, and they have only 11 MPs defending seats (People have asked before, but a reply I haven't seen - what is the position with Steve Lloyd - Wiki says he doesn't have the Whip, but is still a LD party member).

    The seven joiners from other parties are so far behind in their existing Constituencies, so personal votes of a few thousand aren't going to help them hold the seats. Besides, both Umunna and Berger are jumping ship to fight elsewhere.

    With Nick Clegg's 23% performance in 2010, they managed only 57 seats, 1% higher vote share and 5 lower(!) seats.

    60 seats is certainly doable. 80 is really pushing it. More than 100, and I would expect them to be on a least 35%, which I just can't see.

    If things don't go to plan, I can easily see them NOT regaining third party in terms of seats.
    FPTP is has inherent tipping points, once exceeded seats fall thick and fast.
    Take your 35% in order to get 100 seats. That implies that everybod else has 65% between them. So how would that be distributed?

    Labour 25% ( they wouldn't go very much lower would they?)
    Brexit 10% maybe
    Green 5%
    Others 2%

    So add that up and you get 23% left for the Tories.
    With those figures it's landslide territory for the Lib Dems.

    Not that I think it's going to happen, but they (and indeed anybody else) could win with around 30%, I think we should look at the opinion polls with that in mind.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Mr. Noo, they do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. One is deeply touched by your high regard.

    There are some people to whom I would protest if they thought I was flattering them. You are not one of those.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,492

    Pulpstar said:

    And this, kids, is why Boris Johnson is still in charge.

    And in their prayers at night, every Tory asks God to keep Jeremy Corbyn safe and well......
    Best £3 you ever spent?
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    One benefit of the LD position is that they can now vote down Boris’s new deal as they are clearly anti Brexit/voter.

    Will Jezza join them ? Yes but again he will look weak and bitter for stopping a deal.

    Plus the ERG 'Spartans' of course.
    Let’s see how many there are - JRM won’t be joining them this time.

    Likely the DUP won’t either.
    DUP accepting a 'border' in the Irish Sea? Wonders will never cease.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,734
    edited September 2019
    Scott_P said:
    "Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay on Thursday said the UK should be given until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement for [the backstop]"

    Doesn't the government have until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement to the backstop under the existing WA?
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    Just so.

    If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
    I would be a little more general than that myself.
    There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.

    The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,042
    ....and door-knocking is about as unsafe a space as you can get!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,734
    Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    We already have a deal!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985

    Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    We already have a deal!
    A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
  • Scott_P said:
    "Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay on Thursday said the UK should be given until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement for [the backstop]"

    Doesn't the government have until the end of 2020 to come up with a replacement to the backstop under the existing WA?
    Yes, they do. Or, for that matter, if the UK government needs more time before committing to something, they can simply ask for an extension to Article 50.
  • Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    Isn't that what May thought?
  • Scott_P said:
    That is gorgeous. Hit out of the ground.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,638
    Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
    In my case, your assumption would be wrong.
    I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
  • isam said:

    Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
    Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,734
    RobD said:

    Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    We already have a deal!
    A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
    And that, according to @Brom, is looking more likely by the hour? Really?
  • Noo said:

    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    Just so.

    If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
    I would be a little more general than that myself.
    There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.

    The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
    I fully accept my own culpability in adding to the general stupidity of the human race, but as you imply there's a distinction between those whose stupidity brings down trouble solely on their own fat pumpkinheads and others who think it's not a big deal if all pumpkinheads suffer for their choices. In fact I believe it may be the case that some of those fat pumpkinheads have made special arrangements to specifically deflect trouble from their squashy heads.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985

    isam said:

    Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
    Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
    I don’t think that was his point....
  • isamisam Posts: 38,638
    edited September 2019

    isam said:

    Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
    Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
    I dont really mind, Im just aware of how different the reaction would have been if it had been Farage.

    I think it would have worked ok had he just said "terrorist group" to be fair
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,284
    Noo said:

    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
    In my case, your assumption would be wrong.
    I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
    On the score of voter information, this is an interesting read:
    https://www.politico.com/interactives/2019/how-to-fix-politics-in-america/misinformation/
  • RobD said:

    isam said:

    Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
    Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
    I don’t think that was his point....
    Of course it wasn't, he wanted to spin it.
    The joke would have lost something if he'd said '..a terrorist group from a country bordering a country in the Middle East'.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985

    RobD said:

    Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    We already have a deal!
    A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
    And that, according to @Brom, is looking more likely by the hour? Really?
    Meh, I remember the days when the WA was not up for negotiation.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Noo said:

    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    I can only assume that most of the prolific posters on here never venture out with a clipboard door-knocking. Their exposure to what real voters think is laughably off-beam.
    In my case, your assumption would be wrong.
    I've campaigned for candidates from two different parties. Street stalls, canvassing, leaflets at the shops, leaflets through the doors. I even went to a count once. That's more activism than most. And I'm struck by how often you hear media lines tripping out of the mouths of voters. They earnest believe what they say, but it's often other people's words. You can tell because exact slogans come out very often. And if you probe gently, just a little, you quickly meet a mass of unreconciled and often contradictory feelings.
    I have to issue a correction. It's actually candidates for THREE separate parties. I was forgetting one single leaflet run before the 2005 election.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Remainers seem to be terrified of a deal emerging.

    They still hold out hope that Brexit will never happen.
  • Scott_P said:
    And if he doesn't reach such a deal then he has to ask for an extension to comply with the Benn act.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,734
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    We already have a deal!
    A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
    And that, according to @Brom, is looking more likely by the hour? Really?
    Meh, I remember the days when the WA was not up for negotiation.
    You'll no doubt also remember the days when 'no deal was better than a bad deal' or even when a trade deal with the EU would be the 'easiest thing in the world'.
  • TGOHF said:

    Remainers seem to be terrified of a deal emerging.

    They still hold out hope that Brexit will never happen.
    I imagine there is a similar number of headbangers who are terrified of a deal. they want no-deal because it is so PURE. Morons!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 17,461
    If you ignore 'dissatisfied' as you suggested yesterday Corbyn shares the losers slot with Hague IDS and Foot which doesn't bode well. If he can't turn it round with Johnson in the opposite corner I can't see much hope

    OT. For cinema lovers. 'The Farewell' is an excellent film. I only mention it because anyone reading a synopsis wouldn't go near it

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,697
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Someone pointed out earlier that the Taliban aren't from the "Middle East".. it's as blatant a "they all look the same" type gaffe as you're likely to get, and I have to say, yet again, imagine the reaction if it had been Farage
    Lighten up, the joke wouldn't have worked otherwise.
    I dont really mind, Im just aware of how different the reaction would have been if it had been Farage.

    I think it would have worked ok had he just said "terrorist group" to be fair
    I suspect it was I, placing the Taliban in Central Asia.

    To be fair to Tim, this is up there among his most memorable lines. It is an absolute bullseye hitting the target perfectly. It makes a strong point with clarity and humour. In addition it is concise.

    A pity his other memorable lines were not helpful to him as leader.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,734

    Scott_P said:
    And if he doesn't reach such a deal then he has to ask for an extension to comply with the Benn act.
    Or resign and let someone else do that.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Noo said:

    Noo said:

    Noo said:
    I can only assume David Allen Green has not been out door-knocking.

    Because that number is massively low. And they may not know whether popery/Brexit is man or horse. But they know a patronising c*** suggesting they are thick when they hear one.....
    I don't know that I'm particularly against pointing out someone is ignorant if it's true. You can call it patronising if you like, and we can find you a safe space where you don't have to listen to it. But if it's true it's true.
    Just so.

    If Leavers' insist on using their favourite mic drop (they think) construction 'you were beaten by a bus', by the same token these stout country-fellows must have been persuaded by a bus. To think that the man on the Clapham omnibus used to represent an ordinary and reasonable person, now the bloke that believes any old shit on the side of said bus is that person ( I think we can dispense with the 'reasonable' at least).
    I would be a little more general than that myself.
    There is deep ignorance on the Remainer side too. And among pro-independence and anti-indpendence folks. And Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Green, Brexit, Plaid, DUP, Sinn Fein, and the fascists formerly known as Ukip. And the rest.

    The fact that DAG is indisputably right about the Everest of ignorance about how easy leaving the EU would be doesn't mean for one moment that this is unique to those who voted Leave. The fact is, different groups have their egregious and painful examples of stupidity, and the ability of us to extract ourselves from the EU easily, holding all the cards, being needed more than we need, is the case in point today. It isn't the only case. It deserve focus only because it's the axe hovering over the neck of this country. Leavers are ignorant and stupid. But so is everyone else.
    I fully accept my own culpability in adding to the general stupidity of the human race, but as you imply there's a distinction between those whose stupidity brings down trouble solely on their own fat pumpkinheads and others who think it's not a big deal if all pumpkinheads suffer for their choices. In fact I believe it may be the case that some of those fat pumpkinheads have made special arrangements to specifically deflect trouble from their squashy heads.
    There are some leavers who don't even have a single candle lightning inside their pumpkins.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,985
    edited September 2019

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Brom said:

    A deal looking more likely by the hour. Fingers crossed.

    We already have a deal!
    A deal both sides, and Parliament, agree on.
    And that, according to @Brom, is looking more likely by the hour? Really?
    Meh, I remember the days when the WA was not up for negotiation.
    You'll no doubt also remember the days when 'no deal was better than a bad deal' or even when a trade deal with the EU would be the 'easiest thing in the world'.
    Yeah, she clearly didn't follow through on that, although I suspect she saw it as a good deal. As for the easiest thing in the world, Fox said it should be, but that politics would get in the way. Perhaps one of the most misquoted quotations used on this site.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,734
    TGOHF said:

    Remainers seem to be terrified of a deal emerging.

    They still hold out hope that Brexit will never happen.
    Speaking as a Remainer:

    No to the first (I would be happy to see May's deal signed).

    Yes to second - the ERG continue to keep that hope alive.
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