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First like Hillary0
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Yes, Warren I think is the likely Democratic nominee now and I think Trump would prefer to face her than Biden0
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My girl Lizzie Warren all up in the Houssssse. Feel the enthusiasm. Let's get this party started.
With a detailed 43 point plan for optimal party enjoyment amongst All members of society, not just the super rich.0 -
Elizabeth Warren is generally 6/4 to be the Democrat candidate. It is not a tempting price for an event that won't be settled for the best part of a year.0
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OT. Cameron is clearly a decent guy which is something you can't say for his shitty colleagues. Fascinating program though.0
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Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.0 -
Evening all
I've decided to have a picture which shows what a true Englishman I am.-1 -
A picture of stodge eh?stodge said:Evening all
I've decided to have a picture which shows what a true Englishman I am.
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Cleggy saying Osborne's project fear economic projections were "back of a fag packet".0
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OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.0 -
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.1 -
Joe Swinson?!
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Are you sure? There is a great deal of self-justification. And a touch of hypocrisy: it is disloyal for Gove to join Leave, but OK for Cameron to have sacked Gove from Education.Roger said:OT. Cameron is clearly a decent guy which is something you can't say for his shitty colleagues. Fascinating program though.
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Has there ever been a sleazier snake in the grass than Gove? Maybe Johnson except he seems too stupid to know what he was doing.0
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"There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Davey D, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus Chlorinated Chicken or GM Soya or Corn Syrup, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-Brexit!"MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.0 -
I am inclined to think that too much is being made of Cameron's revelations concerning his discussions with the Queen at the time of the Independence Referendum . In his memoirs , Churchill provided details of what George VI said to him at the time of his appointment as PM in May 1940. Is this so very different?0
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He is a twat.MaxPB said:Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.
According to Danny Dyer
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I assume everyone is just waiting for more exciting local by-election news?
One round my way at Ethandune - must be an unlucky seat, it's the second time they've had a by-election caused by death of an incumbent in just 5 years.0 -
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.0 -
So a thousand memes have told me, one day I must get around to googling who the amazing Mr Dyer is. Which isn't a slight on him, I've just never yet made the leap to make the effort.bigjohnowls said:
He is a twat.MaxPB said:Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.
According to Danny Dyer0 -
Cameron believed his own hype and screwed it up. We will pay the price for his hubris for many years to come.0
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Why would Labour wish to provide someone as widely despised as Johnson with support which they denied to Theresa May?Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.0 -
I think he's a distant cousin of @Charleskle4 said:
So a thousand memes have told me, one day I must get around to googling who the amazing Mr Dyer is. Which isn't a slight on him, I've just never yet made the leap to make the effort.bigjohnowls said:
He is a twat.MaxPB said:Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.
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Davey d also known as dim?Sunil_Prasannan said:
"There was me, that is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel, and my three droogs, that is Priti, Govey, and Davey D, and we sat in the Kensington Milkbar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Kensington milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus Chlorinated Chicken or GM Soya or Corn Syrup, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-Brexit!"MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.0 -
Well, such is the way of leaders of course. Just look at how quickly serial rebels become angry at rebellions against them.DecrepitJohnL said:
Are you sure? There is a great deal of self-justification. And a touch of hypocrisy: it is disloyal for Gove to join Leave, but OK for Cameron to have sacked Gove from Education.Roger said:OT. Cameron is clearly a decent guy which is something you can't say for his shitty colleagues. Fascinating program though.
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I believe the thinking is*, if the EU have had enough of Brexit they won't offer an extension so the HoC would be faced with Deal or No Deal.justin124 said:
Why would Labour wish to provide someone as widely despised as Johnson with support which they denied to Theresa May?Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.
(*I don't buy it myself but I can see the logic)0 -
The EU read him correctly, like they read May correctly. He never wanted to leave, nor did May - people like that can't do the negotiations and expect to succeed!MaxPB said:Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.0 -
Because the alternative may well be no deal. The mood music from the EU seems to be suggesting they think this has gone on long enough.justin124 said:
Why would Labour wish to provide someone as widely despised as Johnson with support which they denied to Theresa May?Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.0 -
If there was any justice in this world, they would make Danny Dyer a lord.kle4 said:
So a thousand memes have told me, one day I must get around to googling who the amazing Mr Dyer is. Which isn't a slight on him, I've just never yet made the leap to make the effort.bigjohnowls said:
He is a twat.MaxPB said:Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.
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The 'the EU will indirectly save Brexit' theory.Benpointer said:
I believe the thinking is*, if the EU have had enough of Brexit they won't offer an extension so the HoC would be faced with Deal or No Deal.justin124 said:
Why would Labour wish to provide someone as widely despised as Johnson with support which they denied to Theresa May?Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.
(*I don't buy it myself but I can see the logic)
I'm sure there was a thread on it at the time, probably from Mr Meeks, about how crucial the judgement that the UK had the ability to unilaterally revoke could be. It makes the path of resistance so much more tempting for starters.0 -
It certainly seems that Boris will come back with a deal that may assuage the DUP and consequently the ERG.
Remainer MPs are going to need to tread carefully if they wish to vote down another opportunity to avoid no deal.
I suspect that if the DUP/ERG get on board then the deal will pass with the support of Labour MPs in leaver seats.0 -
If it came to that, it would be better to table a VNOC to effectively prevent the deal being presented to Parliament. It seems unlikely that the EU would refuse an Extension to facilitate an election being held.Benpointer said:
I believe the thinking is*, if the EU have had enough of Brexit they won't offer an extension so the HoC would be faced with Deal or No Deal.justin124 said:
Why would Labour wish to provide someone as widely despised as Johnson with support which they denied to Theresa May?Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.
(*I don't buy it myself but I can see the logic)0 -
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Ah, the Ethandune Councillor Serial Killer striked again, eh.kle4 said:I assume everyone is just waiting for more exciting local by-election news?
One round my way at Ethandune - must be an unlucky seat, it's the second time they've had a by-election caused by death of an incumbent in just 5 years.0 -
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Doesn't bode well for Boris then! He wants to leave now, he needs it, and decided to a few minutes before the referendum, but that's not exactly a true believer.Philip_Thompson said:
The EU read him correctly, like they read May correctly. He never wanted to leave, nor did May - people like that can't do the negotiations and expect to succeed!MaxPB said:Honestly, Dave said it all. The EU wouldn't give him what he wanted in the renegotiation because they thought we would never leave.
He was the key player in all of it. He needed to walk away in the negotiation and indicate he would recommend the leave vote, having witnessed the disrespect shown to the UK and put the referendum date in May of 2017.
He was far, far too complacent.0 -
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.1 -
I think that was a Midsomer Murders episode.rcs1000 said:
Ah, the Ethandune Councillor Serial Killer striked again, eh.kle4 said:I assume everyone is just waiting for more exciting local by-election news?
One round my way at Ethandune - must be an unlucky seat, it's the second time they've had a by-election caused by death of an incumbent in just 5 years.0 -
He created a referendum for party reasons to hold the right vote in 2015. The majority in won off the back of that then went to his head and he thought he could charm the EU and electorate. He let the genie out of the bottle and couldn’t control it. Yes, he carries much of the blame here.kle4 said:
Pretty sure it took more than his hubris to lead to present events, but if that makes it easier to stomach.Jonathan said:Cameron believed his own hype and screwed it up. We will pay the price for his hubris for many years to come.
And if you disagree with that, at the very least as PM he bares the responsibility.0 -
My current fear is that he gets something back that is May Plus Minus. (Minus the Worst of the Backstop, Plus Muck, like Brass with Muck Muck.)Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.
He declares victory.
But Francois, Baker and the like don't like the existence of the backstop at all.
And he now has a majority of minus forty-odd.
And he needs to persuade the former Conservative MPs to vote for the deal. (A group who have no great love for Boris.)
So... what happens next?0 -
Nope. The populist right always find someone or something new to blame. If the economy suffers, Farage will be blaming the government and the E.U.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
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I don't disagree that he bears plenty of responsibility for opening the door, but I think some people take it too far and act like that's the same as being responsible for the British people taking that opportunity to walk through that door, even when he and lots of others told us not to. It's anger at him for certain things, yes, but an awful lot of it to me looks like anger at the result and the people who voted that way, translated onto him, when his biggest failure was being inadequate to the task.Jonathan said:
He created a referendum for party reasons to hold the right vote in 2015. The majority in won off the back of that then went to his head and he thought he could charm the EU and electorate. He let the genie out of the bottle and couldn’t control it. Yes, he carries much of the blame here.kle4 said:
Pretty sure it took more than his hubris to lead to present events, but if that makes it easier to stomach.Jonathan said:Cameron believed his own hype and screwed it up. We will pay the price for his hubris for many years to come.
And if you disagree with that, at the very least as PM he bares the responsibility.0 -
Well, that would be a plus, I guess.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Totally unrelated, I've just watched the first part of the BBC's Rise of the Nazis; bloody hell that's scary.0 -
Do remainers go for broke and try and gamble on stopping Brexit and end up with no deal ?CaptainBuzzkill said:It certainly seems that Boris will come back with a deal that may assuage the DUP and consequently the ERG.
Remainer MPs are going to need to tread carefully if they wish to vote down another opportunity to avoid no deal.
I suspect that if the DUP/ERG get on board then the deal will pass with the support of Labour MPs in leaver seats.
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Maybe. You are confident he won't hamstring the Tories, and in the event of an actual deal I think that's much more likely than in the event of no deal agreed but an extension to kick the can, but he seems a very petty kind of man, he could still do some damage.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.0 -
You don't know your acting career is over until you star in a Midsomer Murders episode.kle4 said:
I think that was a Midsomer Murders episode.rcs1000 said:
Ah, the Ethandune Councillor Serial Killer striked again, eh.kle4 said:I assume everyone is just waiting for more exciting local by-election news?
One round my way at Ethandune - must be an unlucky seat, it's the second time they've had a by-election caused by death of an incumbent in just 5 years.0 -
There will a rich seam to be mined for the Tories in the future with the EU playing bogeyman and needing a strong government to protect the UK's interests.Jonathan said:
Nope. The populist right always find someone or something new to blame. If the economy suffers, Farage will be blaming the government and the E.U.
It is almost in the Tories interests for the post-exit negotiations to be long, tortuous and annoying because there will be little mileage in being seen as weak supplicants which is the role Labour will almost certainly fall in to.
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+1. He tried his best to spin his way out of it in the program but he was the one who decided to offer an in - out vote. The responsibility lies at his door. He actually managed to turn a bad inheritance i(2010) into a catostrophy!Jonathan said:
He created a referendum for party reasons to hold the right vote in 2015. The majority in won off the back of that then went to his head and he thought he could charm the EU and electorate. He let the genie out of the bottle and couldn’t control it. Yes, he carries much of the blame here.kle4 said:
Pretty sure it took more than his hubris to lead to present events, but if that makes it easier to stomach.Jonathan said:Cameron believed his own hype and screwed it up. We will pay the price for his hubris for many years to come.
And if you disagree with that, at the very least as PM he bares the responsibility.0 -
Call him Mr. Raider, call him Mr. Wrong, call him Mr. Vain.rcs1000 said:
My current fear is that he gets something back that is May Plus Minus. (Minus the Worst of the Backstop, Plus Muck, like Brass with Muck Muck.)Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.
He declares victory.
But Francois, Baker and the like don't like the existence of the backstop at all.
And he now has a majority of minus forty-odd.
And he needs to persuade the former Conservative MPs to vote for the deal. (A group who have no great love for Boris.)
So... what happens next?0 -
I've been disappointed with it - nowhere near as forensic or compelling as The Nazis: A Warning from History from 15+ years ago. Some really unconvincing 'experts' - particularly in episode 2.Benpointer said:
Well, that would be a plus, I guess.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Totally unrelated, I've just watched the first part of the BBC's Rise of the Nazis; bloody hell that's scary.0 -
Call him Mr. Raider, call him Mr. Wrong, call him Mr. Vain.rcs1000 said:
My current fear is that he gets something back that is May Plus Minus. (Minus the Worst of the Backstop, Plus Muck, like Brass with Muck Muck.)Benpointer said:
As a Remainer I was nevertheless keen to see May's deal approved so, assuming Boris's 'deal' is simply May's with a bit of added fudge and waffle, I'd be ok with it.MaxPB said:
Does it matter? If we get out of the EU with a deal and Boris falls that's surely a double win.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Still a lot of hurdles to cross though before Boris can declare a deal is done.
He declares victory.
But Francois, Baker and the like don't like the existence of the backstop at all.
And he now has a majority of minus forty-odd.
And he needs to persuade the former Conservative MPs to vote for the deal. (A group who have no great love for Boris.)
So... what happens next?0 -
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.1 -
"A council wants to change its name at a cost of £10,000 because no-one knows where it is or how to pronounce it, it says.
Suffolk's Babergh District Council - pronounced "Bay-ber" - takes its name from the Anglo-Saxon place name Barberga and has existed since 1974.
The district was first listed in the Domesday Book in 1086."
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If most EU countries want us gone now, then that presents a big problem for rejoiners if we do leave. The 27 are not going to want to go through this rigmarole again, so if we want back in, there'll have to be confident we'd stay in for good. Even the Lib Dems winning a GE on an explicit rejoin policy might not be enough, if the country is still divided on the issue. So, we basically go back to what our relationship with Europe was in the 60's. Begging to be let in, but constantly being refused.0
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Philip_Thompson said:
I have read this a few times and I just do not have the mental flexibility to process his reasoning.isam said:
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Seems to be a grudging resolve to get this done now.0
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Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.0 -
Let's hope so.Philip_Thompson said:Seems to be a grudging resolve to get this done now.
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Indeed. The Conservatives have eked out so much mileage from "failing and blaming", it's almost like it's a deliberate policy. If only somebody had raised such a point before...CaptainBuzzkill said:
There will a rich seam to be mined for the Tories in the future with the EU playing bogeyman and needing a strong government to protect the UK's interests.Jonathan said:
Nope. The populist right always find someone or something new to blame. If the economy suffers, Farage will be blaming the government and the E.U.
It is almost in the Tories interests for the post-exit negotiations to be long, tortuous and annoying because there will be little mileage in being seen as weak supplicants which is the role Labour will almost certainly fall in to. 0 -
I don’t see what the need for it is. Just show the very much better earlier programme again.oxfordsimon said:
I've been disappointed with it - nowhere near as forensic or compelling as The Nazis: A Warning from History from 15+ years ago. Some really unconvincing 'experts' - particularly in episode 2.Benpointer said:
Well, that would be a plus, I guess.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Totally unrelated, I've just watched the first part of the BBC's Rise of the Nazis; bloody hell that's scary.0 -
The Tories: A Warning from History.oxfordsimon said:
I've been disappointed with it - nowhere near as forensic or compelling as The Nazis: A Warning from History from 15+ years ago. Some really unconvincing 'experts' - particularly in episode 2.Benpointer said:
Well, that would be a plus, I guess.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Totally unrelated, I've just watched the first part of the BBC's Rise of the Nazis; bloody hell that's scary.
Episode 1: 2010 - Helped Into Power.0 -
One can only hope.Philip_Thompson said:Seems to be a grudging resolve to get this done now.
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Sure there are lots of examples of left wing racism/nationalism and "exclusionary policy".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
I mentioned the Khmer Rouge because they were about as far-left and as racist/nationalist as it is possible to be. They are the canonical example of Communism taken to its extreme.0 -
If it’s true that the EU now wants us out - and I am not convinced - what happens if the government does ask for an extension either for a referendum or a GE? Would it really refuse?
I still think a disorderly withdrawal is the most likely outcome. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_RevolutionSunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
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Canada's Justin Trudeau cannot say how often he wore blackface
Canada's PM Justin Trudeau has said he cannot remember how often he wore blackface as a younger man, as a scandal deepened ahead of an election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49763805
Just how often did he go to fancy dress parties like that? Was it when he was stuck for an outfit, he went you know what always goes down a storm...
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Couldn't agree more. The drama-documentary style presentation really adds nothing.Cyclefree said:
I don’t see what the need for it is. Just show the very much better earlier programme again.oxfordsimon said:
I've been disappointed with it - nowhere near as forensic or compelling as The Nazis: A Warning from History from 15+ years ago. Some really unconvincing 'experts' - particularly in episode 2.Benpointer said:
Well, that would be a plus, I guess.Philip_Thompson said:
Farage is an irrelevance once Brexit is done.Benpointer said:OT How is Farage going to react to this purported deal? Does it depend on the specifics or is any deal a sell-out as far as he's concerned?
Farage's reaction could affect BoJo's prospects if the deal materialises and gets past the HoC.
Totally unrelated, I've just watched the first part of the BBC's Rise of the Nazis; bloody hell that's scary.0 -
CaptainBuzzkill said:
The left always have pure motives - even when starving millions to death.Philip_Thompson said:
I have read this a few times and I just do not have the mental flexibility to process his reasoning.isam said:
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Well Germany had a fairly famous national socialist party.glw said:
Sure there are lots of examples of left wing racism/nationalism and "exclusionary policy".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
I mentioned the Khmer Rouge because they were about as far-left and as racist/nationalist as it is possible to be. They are the canonical example of Communism taken to its extreme.0 -
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I'm not convinced either, not least because some people have said the EU has wanted us out and cannot wait for it ever since the vote, but the actions of the EU do not seem to bear that out, especially when plenty of others talk about them leaving the door open for us.Cyclefree said:If it’s true that the EU now wants us out - and I am not convinced - what happens if the government does ask for an extension either for a referendum or a GE? Would it really refuse?
I still think a disorderly withdrawal is the most likely outcome. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
If they do want us out, and don't want to be (credibly)( blamed through not accepting a request for extension, then marqueemark's plan of a short extension with a firm commitment of nothing more is the way to go. Time for a GE or referendum keeps the debate boiling over, and opens up remain as an option. A very short extension says 'fine, you still haven't made up your mind, so no we will make you do make up your mind' and you get the deal or no deal parliamentary decision May and Boris would dearly love, or else the remainer majority go mass LD and revoke.
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If the EU/UK agree a revised deal, with an explicit warning of no extensions, then it is probably the endgame.Cyclefree said:If it’s true that the EU now wants us out - and I am not convinced - what happens if the government does ask for an extension either for a referendum or a GE? Would it really refuse?
I still think a disorderly withdrawal is the most likely outcome. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Even without the rider of no extension being available parliament will be hard pressed to justify refusing to vote the deal through.
DUP+ERG+Tories+Labour MPs from leave seats+odds and sods...should be just about there.0 -
Incredible isn’t it? Absolutely clueless. They are convinced of their moral superiority, and Femi is a poster boy for this kind of deluded lunacy.Philip_Thompson said:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatarsviewcode said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_RevolutionSunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
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Floater said:CaptainBuzzkill said:
The left always have pure motives - even when starving millions to death.Philip_Thompson said:
I have read this a few times and I just do not have the mental flexibility to process his reasoning.isam said:
It is amazing.
I messed up the original quoting but i'm not sure I wrote that about the left's motives.0 -
It is by far the most ignorant thing I have read in quite a while, and I closely follow what Trump is up to.isam said:Incredible isn’t it? Absolutely clueless. They are convinced of their moral superiority, and Femi is a poster boy for this kind of deluded lunacy.
And he's a law graduate!
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The big if is whether the EU and UK can reach a new deal, but its looking increasingly likely. Seems everyone just wants this over and done with and prior talk about the WDA being "unable to be reopened" has been totally dropped now. Now the question is not whether there will be renegotiations but whether the renegotiations succeed.CaptainBuzzkill said:
If the EU/UK agree a revised deal, with an explicit warning of no extensions, then it is probably the endgame.Cyclefree said:If it’s true that the EU now wants us out - and I am not convinced - what happens if the government does ask for an extension either for a referendum or a GE? Would it really refuse?
I still think a disorderly withdrawal is the most likely outcome. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Even without the rider of no extension being available parliament will be hard pressed to justify refusing to vote the deal through.
DUP+ERG+Tories+Labour MPs from leave seats+odds and sods...should be just about there.
If they do, then I see no reason in these circumstances why someone like Macron won't say "its this or nothing, no more extensions". Its in their interests and its in the UK government's interests and if Parliament doesn't like it . . . well sucks for them. That's part of being in a union of 28 nations, Parliament won't always get its way when unanimity of 28 is needed. Ironic, eh?0 -
I don't think there's much chance of him winning a majority now. Previously there was a small possibility, about 15% to 20%.FrancisUrquhart said:Canada's Justin Trudeau cannot say how often he wore blackface
Canada's PM Justin Trudeau has said he cannot remember how often he wore blackface as a younger man, as a scandal deepened ahead of an election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49763805
Just how often did he go to fancy dress parties like that? Was it when he was stuck for an outfit, he went you know what always goes down a storm...
I know I have worn blackface exactly zero times.0 -
If no extension is available, and therefore voting down the deal means leaving with no deal, why do the ERG vote Yes to a deal?CaptainBuzzkill said:
If the EU/UK agree a revised deal, with an explicit warning of no extensions, then it is probably the endgame.Cyclefree said:If it’s true that the EU now wants us out - and I am not convinced - what happens if the government does ask for an extension either for a referendum or a GE? Would it really refuse?
I still think a disorderly withdrawal is the most likely outcome. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Even without the rider of no extension being available parliament will be hard pressed to justify refusing to vote the deal through.
DUP+ERG+Tories+Labour MPs from leave seats+odds and sods...should be just about there.0 -
There are several things that depress me about the 2010's. It's a long list (...#37: People claiming "Star Trek:TMP" is a misunderstood classic. #38 Face tattoos, #39 "Thanks" instead of "please", #40...), and one of them is the proposition that the Nazis were socialist.MaxPB said:
Well Germany had a fairly famous national socialist party.glw said:
Sure there are lots of examples of left wing racism/nationalism and "exclusionary policy".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
I mentioned the Khmer Rouge because they were about as far-left and as racist/nationalist as it is possible to be. They are the canonical example of Communism taken to its extreme.
So. Go to your room and write out 100 times "the differences regarding property ownership and the militarisation of society are sufficient to regard Naziism as a subset of 20th century fascism rather than socialist". And don't come down until you have understood what you have done.0 -
There are depths of stupidity that ordinary people cannot reach. It takes somebody really clever and working really hard to become that dumb. He should be congratulated. Albeit from a distance...glw said:
It is by far the most ignorant thing I have read in quite a while, and I closely follow what Trump is up to.isam said:Incredible isn’t it? Absolutely clueless. They are convinced of their moral superiority, and Femi is a poster boy for this kind of deluded lunacy.
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Incidentally, GBP had another good day today: the Fed cut interest rates, as did the ECB last week. Is the Bank of England planning something similar?0
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First by election of the night has labour down 17 in liverpool, libs and LDs up and Tories up fractionally but under 5%. Consistent with other results recently0
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Nazi Germany was quite keen on state directed capitalism. Hitler hated the free market, because it was run by Americans and Brits, ruled secretly by Jews.viewcode said:
There are several things that depress me about the 2010's. It's a long list (...#37: People claiming "Star Trek:TMP" is a misunderstood classic. #38 Face tattoos, #39 "Thanks" instead of "please", #40...), and one of them is the proposition that the Nazis were socialist.MaxPB said:
Well Germany had a fairly famous national socialist party.glw said:
Sure there are lots of examples of left wing racism/nationalism and "exclusionary policy".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
I mentioned the Khmer Rouge because they were about as far-left and as racist/nationalist as it is possible to be. They are the canonical example of Communism taken to its extreme.
So. Go to your room and write out 100 times "the differences regarding property ownership and the militarisation of society are sufficient to regard Naziism as a subset of 20th century fascism rather than socialist". And don't come down until you have understood what you have done.
Nazism was a weird hybrid of socialist principles, rabid nationalism, quasi-religiose militarism and oodles of racism.0 -
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/tadashi-yanai-fast-retailing-uniqlo/index.html
Japan's richest man has warned that Brexit is "practically impossible" and could take the United Kingdom back to the economic stagnation of the 1970s when the country was often described as the "sick man of Europe."
"I think Brexit is practically impossible because the old borders will be shaky and the UK has a Northern Ireland issue and a Scotland issue," Yanai told CNN Business. "Therefore, I think Brexit is difficult to realize even if the UK wants to do it."
"If Brexit does happen, the UK could revert back to the former situation before the Margaret Thatcher era, when the UK was referred to as the sick man of Europe. I'm afraid that could happen again."0 -
Surely Labour vote for it as they are against no deal ....oldpolitics said:
If no extension is available, and therefore voting down the deal means leaving with no deal, why do the ERG vote Yes to a deal?CaptainBuzzkill said:
If the EU/UK agree a revised deal, with an explicit warning of no extensions, then it is probably the endgame.Cyclefree said:If it’s true that the EU now wants us out - and I am not convinced - what happens if the government does ask for an extension either for a referendum or a GE? Would it really refuse?
I still think a disorderly withdrawal is the most likely outcome. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.
Even without the rider of no extension being available parliament will be hard pressed to justify refusing to vote the deal through.
DUP+ERG+Tories+Labour MPs from leave seats+odds and sods...should be just about there.0 -
I think they are lining up for mergers, as with St Edmundsbury (now West Suffolk) and Waveney (now East Suffolk)AndyJS said:"A council wants to change its name at a cost of £10,000 because no-one knows where it is or how to pronounce it, it says.
Suffolk's Babergh District Council - pronounced "Bay-ber" - takes its name from the Anglo-Saxon place name Barberga and has existed since 1974.
The district was first listed in the Domesday Book in 1086."
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I do love Uniqlo.williamglenn said:https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/tadashi-yanai-fast-retailing-uniqlo/index.html
Japan's richest man has warned that Brexit is "practically impossible" and could take the United Kingdom back to the economic stagnation of the 1970s when the country was often described as the "sick man of Europe."0 -
I’d agree. The Democrats are desperate to get rid of Trump and are going to go for a mainstream experienced candidate. That’s all the talk on NPR.HYUFD said:Yes, Warren I think is the likely Democratic nominee now and I think Trump would prefer to face her than Biden
Meanwhile right wing talk radio is a revelation. The only talk radio stations I can get in the car up here in the Black Hills are two utterly loopy Christian stations and a local one that is one of many that syndicates the Mike Gallagher show, apparently one of the most popular talk show hosts in the US. It was remarkable that most of the talk was his - audience participation was limited to a voicemail facility; if he liked the message he would play an excerpt on air, but no risk of a live conversation.
To give you a flavour, yesterday for an hour and a half:
- “Democrats are coming for your guns”, repeated over and over. The clip of Beto from the debates must have been played at least four times;
- A report of a homeowner who had three masked armed youths break into his house, and took all of them out with his semi automatic weapon. So Democrats are siding with the masked youths...;
- Democrats are trying to stop Trump’s wall because apparently it disturbs some thousands-of-years-old Native American archaeological sites. Much mirth about how listeners could go on with their lives if these remains are disturbed;
- selected excerpts from the senate hearings, praising Trump’s staff for stonewalling the process and accusing Democrats of wasting time and money on an anti-Trump vendetta;
- lots of charity appeals for the families of dead veterans and police officers;
- repeated appeals to back Trump as the only guy in Washington fighting for the little guy against the evil Democrats and DC machine;
All interspersed with advertising for various dodgy sounding companies that are funding the show. Such as a firm making Christian jigsaw puzzles and that will, for a significant monthly sum, send you a box of religious blessings every month. And another called ‘medishare’ that was pitched as a club where you all pay in and those who get seriously ill get their medical bills paid (I was unclear how this differed from PHI but the sales pitch was imaginative).
All delivered in a James Whale-style over-the-top superhyped bravado.
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Surely it's time for Steve Radford to give up his fruitless fight to be the true voice of Liberalism?Gallowgate said:Labour down 17% in Liverpool.
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I remember after the exit poll in 2017 some people held out for a time that it could not be the case because the first results to come in from some of the Labour northern heartlands were not that great. We had the same thing this year in the locals as the Tories were doing ok in a number of areas in the first few hours.dyedwoolie said:First by election of the night has labour down 17 in liverpool, libs and LDs up and Tories up fractionally but under 5%. Consistent with other results recently
In an area as dominated by one party in recent times as that I don't know what we can really learn even when it does align with recent results generally.
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Labour hold Thorniewood in North Lanarkshire
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Labour trigger ballots update
Barbara Keeley reselected in Worsley and Eccles South
Dan Carden reselected in Liverpool Walton
Richard Burgon reselected in Leeds East. 112 voted for reselection, 1 abstained
Lucy Powell survived in Manchester Central
Marsha de Cordova reselected in Battarsea
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Would that be the economic stagnation after we joined the EEC?williamglenn said:https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/19/business/tadashi-yanai-fast-retailing-uniqlo/index.html
Japan's richest man has warned that Brexit is "practically impossible" and could take the United Kingdom back to the economic stagnation of the 1970s when the country was often described as the "sick man of Europe."
"I think Brexit is practically impossible because the old borders will be shaky and the UK has a Northern Ireland issue and a Scotland issue," Yanai told CNN Business. "Therefore, I think Brexit is difficult to realize even if the UK wants to do it."
"If Brexit does happen, the UK could revert back to the former situation before the Margaret Thatcher era, when the UK was referred to as the sick man of Europe. I'm afraid that could happen again."0 -
The party was in bed with a bunch of oligarchs who were running the economy; nothing socialist about that. Arguably Putin has jumped Russia from socialism to proto-fascism (of the pre-Hitler era; think Franco or Mussolini) with only the briefest flirtation with quasi-democracy in between.Byronic said:
Nazi Germany was quite keen on state directed capitalism. Hitler hated the free market, because it was run by Americans and Brits, ruled secretly by Jews.viewcode said:
There are several things that depress me about the 2010's. It's a long list (...#37: People claiming "Star Trek:TMP" is a misunderstood classic. #38 Face tattoos, #39 "Thanks" instead of "please", #40...), and one of them is the proposition that the Nazis were socialist.MaxPB said:
Well Germany had a fairly famous national socialist party.glw said:
Sure there are lots of examples of left wing racism/nationalism and "exclusionary policy".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Stalin deported entire ethnic groups during WW2.glw said:
That's an amazingly stupid and ignorant statement.Philip_Thompson said:He literally means it. Wow!
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1174653387008294914
He might like to read up on the Khmer Rouge to see how extremely left-wing movements can be nationalist and racist.
I mentioned the Khmer Rouge because they were about as far-left and as racist/nationalist as it is possible to be. They are the canonical example of Communism taken to its extreme.
So. Go to your room and write out 100 times "the differences regarding property ownership and the militarisation of society are sufficient to regard Naziism as a subset of 20th century fascism rather than socialist". And don't come down until you have understood what you have done.
Nazism was a weird hybrid of socialist principles, rabid nationalism, quasi-religiose militarism and oodles of racism.0
