Boris wouldn't be letting anyone be PM. It would be Parliament choosing Corbyn and they would be responsible. Still don't believe they would do it. It would be Grieve or Clarke.
What's to stop Boris from going to Her Majesty in mid-October and say that Ken Clarke is the best to command confidence in the house, while then becoming Leader of the Opposition himself.
A few days ago the consensus from Labour politicians was that the election had to happen before 1st November. Now it's the precise opposite. British politics is certainly moving quickly atm.
The public will know who is responsible for there being a delay due to Corbyn's Surrender Bill and the Remainers in Parliament.
If it has to be a November vote lets have it for Guy Fawkes Night.
The buck stops with the PM. People who wanted No Deal plainly won't vote for those who blocked it, but nor will they support the man who said he'd succeed in providing it "do or die" and yet is inexplicably alive on All Hallows Day. They'll back Farage or stay at home. That's what this poll says.
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
By the way, if there's an election on October 15 (or thereabouts), I would expect:
40% chance of a decent (25+) Conservative majority 20% chance of a small majority or almost there (320 seats plus) 25% chance of a Referendum for Remain result (i.e. Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G > 330-ish)
And a 15% chance of an unstable parliament that is unable to get anything done.
The right thing, the moral thing, is for us to have an election. And to have it in mid-October.
I'm with you 100% on the need for an election, but why is the precise date important? If we imagine for a moment that a Parliament that's strongly for leaving the EU is returned, is it going to make that much difference to anything if the leave date is 31 January rather than 31 October?
If that is what the public wants we shouldn't waste £3bn and businesses stockpiling and planning on an absolutely pointless 3 month extension that achieves nothing.
What does delaying achieve beyond burning a billion pounds a month and screwing up stockpiling plans?
To be honest, October 31st was a stupid date, because it never allowed any time for negotiation with the new Commission. The government should have either extended for a month and held an election to break the deadlock, or extended until November 30, when at least there would be time for negotiations.
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
Mr Eagles - I think you may need to revisit your header. It has a few garbled bits.
"Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister will probably reduce the effectiveness of the expected ‘Project Fear’ the Conservatives will run about the country letting Corbyn become Prime Minister when Boris Johnson effectively allowed Corbyn to become Prime Minister."
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Boris wouldn't be letting anyone be PM. It would be Parliament choosing Corbyn and they would be responsible. Still don't believe they would do it. It would be Grieve or Clarke.
Checks betting slip. Concludes Phil Hammond is the obvious choice.
By the way, if there's an election on October 15 (or thereabouts), I would expect:
40% chance of a decent (25+) Conservative majority 20% chance of a small majority or almost there (320 seats plus) 25% chance of a Referendum for Remain result (i.e. Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G > 330-ish)
And a 15% chance of an unstable parliament that is unable to get anything done.
The right thing, the moral thing, is for us to have an election. And to have it in mid-October.
I'm with you 100% on the need for an election, but why is the precise date important? If we imagine for a moment that a Parliament that's strongly for leaving the EU is returned, is it going to make that much difference to anything if the leave date is 31 January rather than 31 October?
If that is what the public wants we shouldn't waste £3bn and businesses stockpiling and planning on an absolutely pointless 3 month extension that achieves nothing.
What does delaying achieve beyond burning a billion pounds a month and screwing up stockpiling plans?
To be honest, October 31st was a stupid date, because it never allowed any time for negotiation with the new Commission. The government should have either extended for a month and held an election to break the deadlock, or extended until November 30, when at least there would be time for negotiations.
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
I agree with that and 31 January is an equally stupid date. It offers even less time for negotiation, Christmas will eat up much of that time and we will be back to talking about extensions before we've even got far into negotiations.
If there is to be an extension it should be a considerable length, or there shouldn't be one at all.
Anecdote alert: my mum (lifetime Conservative, Leave voter, now probably Remain, detests Boris Johnson) is in despair at politics. “I can never remember such a mess.”
Yes, I am watching it and I read on here that Boris is despised, but he is walking down a high street in the north and people are taking selfies and photos of their children with him. Seems to me like he still has the touch.
By the way, if there's an election on October 15 (or thereabouts), I would expect:
40% chance of a decent (25+) Conservative majority 20% chance of a small majority or almost there (320 seats plus) 25% chance of a Referendum for Remain result (i.e. Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G > 330-ish)
And a 15% chance of an unstable parliament that is unable to get anything done.
The right thing, the moral thing, is for us to have an election. And to have it in mid-October.
I'm with you 100% on the need for an election, but why is the precise date important? If we imagine for a moment that a Parliament that's strongly for leaving the EU is returned, is it going to make that much difference to anything if the leave date is 31 January rather than 31 October?
If that is what the public wants we shouldn't waste £3bn and businesses stockpiling and planning on an absolutely pointless 3 month extension that achieves nothing.
What does delaying achieve beyond burning a billion pounds a month and screwing up stockpiling plans?
To be honest, October 31st was a stupid date, because it never allowed any time for negotiation with the new Commission. The government should have either extended for a month and held an election to break the deadlock, or extended until November 30, when at least there would be time for negotiations.
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
I agree with that and 31 January is an equally stupid date. It offers even less time for negotiation, Christmas will eat up much of that time and we will be back to talking about extensions before we've even got far into negotiations.
If there is to be an extension it should be a considerable length, or there shouldn't be one at all.
This is exactly what the bill drafters thought. That’s why Boris is obligated to accept a longer extension if offered by the EU.
Boris wouldn't be letting anyone be PM. It would be Parliament choosing Corbyn and they would be responsible. Still don't believe they would do it. It would be Grieve or Clarke.
Checks betting slip. Concludes Phil Hammond is the obvious choice.
Yes, I am watching it and I read on here that Boris is despised, but he is walking down a high street in the north and people are taking selfies and photos of their children with him. Seems to me like he still has the touch.
Anecdote alert: my mum (lifetime ConservativeLib Dem, Leave voter, now probably Remain, detests Boris Johnson) is in despair at politics. “I can never remember such a mess.”
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
You keep saying this but it’s not going to make an election come any sooner.
By the way, if there's an election on October 15 (or thereabouts), I would expect:
40% chance of a decent (25+) Conservative majority 20% chance of a small majority or almost there (320 seats plus) 25% chance of a Referendum for Remain result (i.e. Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G > 330-ish)
And a 15% chance of an unstable parliament that is unable to get anything done.
The right thing, the moral thing, is for us to have an election. And to have it in mid-October.
I'm with you 100% on the need for an election, but why is the precise date important? If we imagine for a moment that a Parliament that's strongly for leaving the EU is returned, is it going to make that much difference to anything if the leave date is 31 January rather than 31 October?
If that is what the public wants we shouldn't waste £3bn and businesses stockpiling and planning on an absolutely pointless 3 month extension that achieves nothing.
What does delaying achieve beyond burning a billion pounds a month and screwing up stockpiling plans?
To be honest, October 31st was a stupid date, because it never allowed any time for negotiation with the new Commission. The government should have either extended for a month and held an election to break the deadlock, or extended until November 30, when at least there would be time for negotiations.
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
I sort of agree however I fear a general election campaign will not focus exclusively on Brexit (cf 2017)
We could also see the possibility of the party winning the most seats and most votes does not take power, or indeed we could see a party committed to a No Deal winning a majority on 30% whereas parties committed to remaining win 65% of the vote.
Those are bloody messes.
If you want a clear and unequivocal decision on what to do next we need to have a referendum.
By the way, if there's an election on October 15 (or thereabouts), I would expect:
40% chance of a decent (25+) Conservative majority 20% chance of a small majority or almost there (320 seats plus) 25% chance of a Referendum for Remain result (i.e. Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G > 330-ish)
And a 15% chance of an unstable parliament that is unable to get anything done.
The right thing, the moral thing, is for us to have an election. And to have it in mid-October.
I'm with you 100% on the need for an election, but why is the precise date important? If we imagine for a moment that a Parliament that's strongly for leaving the EU is returned, is it going to make that much difference to anything if the leave date is 31 January rather than 31 October?
If that is what the public wants we shouldn't waste £3bn and businesses stockpiling and planning on an absolutely pointless 3 month extension that achieves nothing.
What does delaying achieve beyond burning a billion pounds a month and screwing up stockpiling plans?
To be honest, October 31st was a stupid date, because it never allowed any time for negotiation with the new Commission. The government should have either extended for a month and held an election to break the deadlock, or extended until November 30, when at least there would be time for negotiations.
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
I agree with that and 31 January is an equally stupid date. It offers even less time for negotiation, Christmas will eat up much of that time and we will be back to talking about extensions before we've even got far into negotiations.
If there is to be an extension it should be a considerable length, or there shouldn't be one at all.
Well, the EU will probably help you out there. I reckon they will offer 30 June or 31 July, and the HoC will accept it. That allows enough time for a GE and a 2nd referendum.
Mr Eagles - I think you may need to revisit your header. It has a few garbled bits.
"Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister will probably reduce the effectiveness of the expected ‘Project Fear’ the Conservatives will run about the country letting Corbyn become Prime Minister when Boris Johnson effectively allowed Corbyn to become Prime Minister."
Seriously.
I agree with the overall message though.
Sorry, wrote this thread with several children on my lap.
Posted just after I suggested the opposite on the previous thread. Figures
I don’t think we can read much from polls at this point. All the cards are up in the air, we have no idea where they’ll fall. So much depends on unpredictable factors.
If I were in Corbyn’s shoes I’d be worried in this wild environment about Black Swans like the Clarke scenario outlined by Philip_Thompson. Fail to take the chance at election when it’s offered, it might just slip away. My preference is still for an October election, just as long as the date can be secured and fixed prior to Oct 31.
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
You keep saying this but it’s not going to make an election come any sooner.
It doesn't need to.
The longer this drags on the better. Every week Corbyn runs scared of the voters, the more people are going to think this nonsense needs to end.
And if Parliament does force a THIRD extension after a month of running scared of the voters then Boris going into an election saying there must not be a FOURTH extension will be entirely reasonable.
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
You keep saying this but it’s not going to make an election come any sooner.
It doesn't need to.
The longer this drags on the better. Every week Corbyn runs scared of the voters, the more people are going to think this nonsense needs to end.
And if Parliament does force a THIRD extension after a month of running scared of the voters then Boris going into an election saying there must not be a FOURTH extension will be entirely reasonable.
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
I'm very sceptical about hypothetical polling even when as in this case it supports my view. Once the Benn Bill is an Act Corbyn should offer Johnson an alternative post 31/10 date for a GE. We need the extra 3 months in almost any event anyway. Johnson needs to own his mess. As soon as Labour offers an alternative date the gap between it and 15/10 becomes a process story and a longer campaign suits an opposition behind in the polls.
Yes, I am watching it and I read on here that Boris is despised, but he is walking down a high street in the north and people are taking selfies and photos of their children with him. Seems to me like he still has the touch.
You must have had the volume off
I was watching BBC news, virtually all the crowd and passers by were coming up to Boris and urging him to 'get Brexit done' bar a few diehard Remainers
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
Are you some kind off mechanised computer robot?
No I'm a poster with my own opinion, no different to anyone else.
Would be ironic were a hypothetical poll to bring Boris' grand strategy tumbling down. Since it was another that played a huge part in him becoming PM. What goes around comes around.
Yes, I am watching it and I read on here that Boris is despised, but he is walking down a high street in the north and people are taking selfies and photos of their children with him. Seems to me like he still has the touch.
You must have had the volume off
I was watching BBC news, virtually all the crowd and passers by were coming up to Boris and urging him to 'get Brexit done' bar a few diehard Remainers
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
The cabinet will begin to fracture if he breaks the law. How can he expect others to obey the law?
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
For your average Brexit party voter it is. They don't give a toss about Parliament. Hence the "why don't we just leave".
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
It doesn't seem to be possible to re-wind ITV1's streaming service, unlike BBC and Sky. Disappointing.
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
The cabinet will begin to fracture if he breaks the law. How can he expect others to obey the law?
How can we expect others to accept the laws of a Parliament that ignores the biggest vote in postwar history until it respects the Leave vote and delivers Brexit? We either have a GE or Boris it seems will stand his ground
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
For your average Brexit party voter it is. They don't give a toss about Parliament. Hence the "why don't we just leave".
You think Parliament dragging this out for the next two months in a very high profile manner won't lead to them giving a toss?
By the way, if there's an election on October 15 (or thereabouts), I would expect:
40% chance of a decent (25+) Conservative majority 20% chance of a small majority or almost there (320 seats plus) 25% chance of a Referendum for Remain result (i.e. Lab + LD + SNP + PC + G > 330-ish)
And a 15% chance of an unstable parliament that is unable to get anything done.
The right thing, the moral thing, is for us to have an election. And to have it in mid-October.
I'm with you 100% on the need for an election, but why is the precise date important? If we imagine for a moment that a Parliament that's strongly for leaving the EU is returned, is it going to make that much difference to anything if the leave date is 31 January rather than 31 October?
If that is what the public wants we shouldn't waste £3bn and businesses stockpiling and planning on an absolutely pointless 3 month extension that achieves nothing.
What does delaying achieve beyond burning a billion pounds a month and screwing up stockpiling plans?
To be honest, October 31st was a stupid date, because it never allowed any time for negotiation with the new Commission. The government should have either extended for a month and held an election to break the deadlock, or extended until November 30, when at least there would be time for negotiations.
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
I sort of agree however I fear a general election campaign will not focus exclusively on Brexit (cf 2017)
We could also see the possibility of the party winning the most seats and most votes does not take power, or indeed we could see a party committed to a No Deal winning a majority on 30% whereas parties committed to remaining win 65% of the vote.
Those are bloody messes.
If you want a clear and unequivocal decision on what to do next we need to have a referendum.
A referendum is the only solution and for that you need Labour..
I'm very sceptical about hypothetical polling even when as in this case it supports my view. Once the Benn Bill is an Act Corbyn should offer Johnson an alternative post 31/10 date for a GE. We need the extra 3 months in almost any event anyway. Johnson needs to own his mess. As soon as Labour offers an alternative date the gap between it and 15/10 becomes a process story and a longer campaign suits an opposition behind in the polls.
Corbyn needs to own his treachery and betrayal of his promise to deliver Brexit in 2017 so Boris must stand his ground or let Corbyn do the extending and let the Labour Leave seats collapse to the Tories like skittles
Anecdote alert: my mum (lifetime Conservative, Leave voter, now probably Remain, detests Boris Johnson) is in despair at politics. “I can never remember such a mess.”
I think you'd have to go back to 1909/1910 for such a comparable crisis?
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
If he tries that, the HoC will just pass a law taking the power of extension entirely out of his hands ….. which might suit Johnson of course.
Resigning might be easier, gets him the election he wants.
What if the Brexit Party take off? I mean, really take off? Take seats from Con and Lab and finish up making a Con/BXP coalition viable?
This is another concern for me with a post-Oct election. There are a lot of Labour seats where even now people won’t vote Tory no matter what. BXP, though, could be a threat in core vote territory if they really get going.
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
He can't use this line and simultaneously say that his negotiations have been ruined by Corbyn.
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
Impeachment isn't a thing in the UK. He can be VONCed and, as he's not above the law, prosecuted.
I'd write it off as the drunken ramblings of noted wino and wargamer, Dom Cummings.
Can’t say I’ve ever particularly rated John Crace as a sketch writer - the late Simon Hoggart was unsurpassable in my eyes - but that piece was withering, almost uncomfortable to read.
What if the Brexit Party take off? I mean, really take off? Take seats from Con and Lab and finish up making a Con/BXP coalition viable?
This is another concern for me with a post-Oct election. There are a lot of Labour seats where even now people won’t vote Tory no matter what. BXP, though, could be a threat in core vote territory if they really get going.
BXP is more of a threat to the Tories though... as the Euro elections showed.
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
Impeachment isn't a thing in the UK. He can be VONCed and, as he's not above the law, prosecuted.
I'd write it off as the drunken ramblings of noted wino and wargamer, Dom Cummings.
Questions like that are a bit leading, If *SUCH AND SUCH* happens how would you then vote. Placing too much emphasis on the variable factor. The idea Brexit Party would double its vote to 18% based on the remainer parliament successfully delaying Brexit seems far fetched to me.
They want a "strong leader" to steamroller through Brexit. If November, than manifestly Boris is not a strong leader.
Its not about strong leaders. Its about numbers in Parliament.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
Are you some kind off mechanised computer robot? ]
No I'm a poster with my own opinion, no different to anyone else.
Philip...Corbyn accepted the 2016 election without hesitation despite 20% plus opinion poll deficits....
Obviously his decision now is not based on fear of losing.
Your analysis and comments are worthy of the Mail or Mirror- and the people who write those comments know they are complete rubbish. What is your excuse for writing such risible nonsense?
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
Impeachment isn't a thing in the UK. He can be VONCed and, as he's not above the law, prosecuted.
I'd write it off as the drunken ramblings of noted wino and wargamer, Dom Cummings.
Fair enough, it seems Boris will tell the diehard Remainers in the Commons basically 'come and have a go if you think you're hard enough'
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
Impeachment isn't a thing in the UK. He can be VONCed and, as he's not above the law, prosecuted.
I'd write it off as the drunken ramblings of noted wino and wargamer, Dom Cummings.
Peston on ITV news says senior Tories have said Boris will refuse to agree to extend Article 50 under any circumstances whatsoever even if the extension bill passes and will challenge the Commons to impeach him first
If he tries that, the HoC will just pass a law taking the power of extension entirely out of his hands ….. which might suit Johnson of course.
Resigning might be easier, gets him the election he wants.
Possibly but either way Boris avoids extending himself so it is win win for him
Can’t say I’ve ever particularly rated John Crace as a sketch writer - the late Simon Hoggart was unsurpassable in my eyes - but that piece was withering, almost uncomfortable to read.
Crace is excellent - always my first go to in the Grauniad!
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If it has to be a November vote lets have it for Guy Fawkes Night.
PS what would Corbyn be then?
Exactly right - and no amount of goading should make any difference.
An election, yes. But Bunter cannot be allowed to control the timetable.
The parallels with the current state are depressing
Until then, forget it!
But that's all by-the-by.
Let's put it to the voters. Let's let the people decide what the right answer is. That's democracy. And then no-one can say (as I do now), that no one voted for No Deal. Similarly, if the LDs win the election on a Referendum and Revoke platform, we would have to recognise that.
But whatever happens, the current situation is unsustainable. An election offers no certainty, but at least an opportunity to break the deadlock.
"Corbyn actually becoming Prime Minister will probably reduce the effectiveness of the expected ‘Project Fear’ the Conservatives will run about the country letting Corbyn become Prime Minister when Boris Johnson effectively allowed Corbyn to become Prime Minister."
Seriously.
I agree with the overall message though.
Concludes Phil Hammond is the obvious choice.
If there is to be an extension it should be a considerable length, or there shouldn't be one at all.
Of the TIGs.
The only way to solve that is an election and Boris is strong enough to face up to that. Corbyn is too afraid he'll lose so is running scared.
We could also see the possibility of the party winning the most seats and most votes does not take power, or indeed we could see a party committed to a No Deal winning a majority on 30% whereas parties committed to remaining win 65% of the vote.
Those are bloody messes.
If you want a clear and unequivocal decision on what to do next we need to have a referendum.
I don’t think we can read much from polls at this point. All the cards are up in the air, we have no idea where they’ll fall. So much depends on unpredictable factors.
If I were in Corbyn’s shoes I’d be worried in this wild environment about Black Swans like the Clarke scenario outlined by Philip_Thompson. Fail to take the chance at election when it’s offered, it might just slip away. My preference is still for an October election, just as long as the date can be secured and fixed prior to Oct 31.
What if the Brexit Party take off? I mean, really take off? Take seats from Con and Lab and finish up making a Con/BXP coalition viable?
In a way Remainers are once again playing Russian Roulette with the electorate just like in 2016.
All these game they're playing could easily blow up in their face just like in 2016, IMO.
The longer this drags on the better. Every week Corbyn runs scared of the voters, the more people are going to think this nonsense needs to end.
And if Parliament does force a THIRD extension after a month of running scared of the voters then Boris going into an election saying there must not be a FOURTH extension will be entirely reasonable.
What goes around comes around.
Following Jeremy Corbyn's Surrender Bill I don't see how he is going to attract any leavers.
"Brave" as Sir Humphrey might say.
If he tries that, the HoC will just pass a law taking the power of extension entirely out of his hands ….. which might suit Johnson of course.
Resigning might be easier, gets him the election he wants.
I'd write it off as the drunken ramblings of noted wino and wargamer, Dom Cummings.
Obviously his decision now is not based on fear of losing.
Your analysis and comments are worthy of the Mail or Mirror- and the people who write those comments know they are complete rubbish. What is your excuse for writing such risible nonsense?
Farage in government as DPM (and with a decent springboard further down the line to become PM) on the other hand...