Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Stop lying. Its not 4 days, its 6 weeks.
Justify extending the current Parliament. It is already the longest for nearly 400 years.
You can't.
We are due to leave the EU without a deal very shortly. Any deal - and your PM promises he will return with one - will have to be debated in, and approved by, Parliament. Proroguing Parliament in this manner reduces its function to that of a rubber stamp.
If there is to be any further deal, it will not be delivered by the EU before their mid-October summit. Therefore no time has been lost to debate that specific deal - if it materialises.
All that has been lost is mischief time for the Remainers. Boo hoo.
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
I owe you an apology CR - you are a far bigger man than I ever gave you credit for. I can see how many of my posts directed at you would have been infuriating. For that I am sorry.
Please don't apologise. I've been a massive tool to many people on here over the last three years over this issue, for which I've had to regularly apologise for myself.
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Stop lying. Its not 4 days, its 6 weeks.
Justify extending the current Parliament. It is already the longest for nearly 400 years.
You can't.
We are due to leave the EU without a deal very shortly. Any deal - and your PM promises he will return with one - will have to be debated in, and approved by, Parliament. Proroguing Parliament in this manner reduces its function to that of a rubber stamp.
If there is to be any further deal, it will not be delivered by the EU before their mid-October summit. Therefore no time has been lost to debate that specific deal - if it materialises.
All that has been lost is mischief time for the Remainers. Boo hoo.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
Oh Dear, Murdo who has been defeated 7 times trying to get elected , yet supped at the public teat each time by getting a losers list seat. A perfect leader for the Scottish pretend Tory party. Contribution for his almost £1M lottery win , some dire tweets about WATP
Whoosh!
The point being that the "Tories" "glory days" in Scotland were as the "Unionist" Party and not as the "Conservative" Party - which was seen as too "English". If they could get back to polling in the high thirties percentage of the vote it might be no bad thing. Where else are Unionist voters to go?
I suspect the LDs will pick up some Unionist Remainers who voted Tory in 2017 but the Tories will keep most of their Leave voters in Scotland.
In fact I think Slab could come 4th at the next general election in Scotland, the Shetland by election tonight might be an indicator
Shetland by election will indicate fuck all. Even if the SNP won all it will show is that the SNP threw a lot of people at it.
I think you may be getting confused with the summer holidays MPs considered to be more important than sorting out Brexit first. Those were 6 weeks, obviously Brexit is less important to them than disrupting their holidays.
For someone so attached to 'democracy' that you're ready to ignore the opinions of two thirds of the NI electorate, you seem remarkably ready to adopt the threadbare spinning of the government over their shuttering of Parliament.
An unkinder soul than I might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Parliament isn't being shuttered. Its literally sitting next week long enough to enact a change of government if that's what MPs want!
MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision?
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing.
Murdo Fraser is 2/1 favourite on the buggins' turn principle. Tomkins might be worth a punt on the basis that he has an ill deserved rep for providing some intellectual heft to the SCon benches, not a high bar to clear.
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Stop lying. Its not 4 days, its 6 weeks.
Justify extending the current Parliament. It is already the longest for nearly 400 years.
You can't.
We are due to leave the EU without a deal very shortly. Any deal - and your PM promises he will return with one - will have to be debated in, and approved by, Parliament. Proroguing Parliament in this manner reduces its function to that of a rubber stamp.
If there is to be any further deal, it will not be delivered by the EU before their mid-October summit. Therefore no time has been lost to debate that specific deal - if it materialises.
All that has been lost is mischief time for the Remainers. Boo hoo.
The voice of a democrat.
Yep. I want to implmemt the Referendum. You? Not so much a democrat.....
@HYUFD will conveniently ignore this as it does not suit his agenda.
29% for May's Deal as a reasonable compromise is actually higher than soft Brexit on that poll, Remain is almost as divisive as No Deal is
You are turning into a parody of yourself. You do realise other people can read the chart for themselves? 54% is higher than 44%. 49% is not "almost" the same as 41%. And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
I think you may be getting confused with the summer holidays MPs considered to be more important than sorting out Brexit first. Those were 6 weeks, obviously Brexit is less important to them than disrupting their holidays.
For someone so attached to 'democracy' that you're ready to ignore the opinions of two thirds of the NI electorate, you seem remarkably ready to adopt the threadbare spinning of the government over their shuttering of Parliament.
An unkinder soul than I might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Parliament isn't being shuttered. Its literally sitting next week long enough to enact a change of government if that's what MPs want!
MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision?
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing.
More misleading statements. The enemy of democracy is misinformation. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Is this true that the decision to prorogue was taken by Johnson, Gove and Cox alone and without consultation with other Ministers? Just mentioned on WATO.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
It would be spectacularly ironic, not to mention hilarious, if the prorogue were to be deemed illegal because they did it at Balmoral instead of Windsor...
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
I owe you an apology CR - you are a far bigger man than I ever gave you credit for. I can see how many of my posts directed at you would have been infuriating. For that I am sorry.
Please don't apologise. I've been a massive tool to many people on here over the last three years over this issue, for which I've had to regularly apologise for myself.
More misleading statements. The enemy of democracy is misinformation. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Not one thing I said was misleading.
Its sitting next week - FACT. They could change government next week if that's what MPs want - FACT. MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. FACT
Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision? - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days. - FACT, FACT, FACT, my opinion.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing. - FACT.
Is this true that the decision to prorogue was taken by Johnson, Gove and Cox alone and without consultation with other Ministers? Just mentioned on WATO.
Yup. As I pointed out, you can do a lot with 3 PCs and a famous example is the authorisation of the Falklands TaskForce (Thatcher, Tebbit, Nott). It worries me that I know this and MPs don't.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
It would be spectacularly ironic, not to mention hilarious, if the prorogue were to be deemed illegal because they did it at Balmoral instead of Windsor...
Given that ever part of the the Brexit farce has had additional farce added to it - I would bet my house* on the prorogation being found to be unlawful
* This is not betting advice, but you can just see how it's going to play out.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision.
This is like saying "Liverpool needs to stop dicking about and actually win their Premiership match against Burnley". Regardless of the fact that the match is not until Saturday.
I think you may be getting confused with the summer holidays MPs considered to be more important than sorting out Brexit first. Those were 6 weeks, obviously Brexit is less important to them than disrupting their holidays.
For someone so attached to 'democracy' that you're ready to ignore the opinions of two thirds of the NI electorate, you seem remarkably ready to adopt the threadbare spinning of the government over their shuttering of Parliament.
An unkinder soul than I might accuse you of hypocrisy.
Parliament isn't being shuttered. Its literally sitting next week long enough to enact a change of government if that's what MPs want!
MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision?
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing.
So why prorogue Parliament for an unprecedented in recent decades five weeks ?
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
Let’s suppose the rebels and opposition unite and pass a simple Act. What will it say? ....
If I were drafting it, it would say:
1. The Chair of the Brexit Select Committee is appointed the UK's High Representative for Article 50, authorised by parliament to negotiate an extension of between X and Y months with the EU.
2. In the event that agreement with the EU cannot be reached by the 15th October, the UK's High Representative for Article 50 is authorised and instructed by parliament to revoke the UK's notice Article 50, unless parliament votes otherwise.
Interesting, and I see where you’re going with that as it is reasonably simple and “agreeable”. But it’s still open to the PM to say “if you agree his extension I’ll be very cross and will do undesirable thing X”, and the Committee Chair can’t really offer much about what will happen in the 6 months. Though I suppose we can assume an immediate election. I’d also want some pretty detailed legal advice on whether a person appointed by Parliament can be given that power (i.e. is it Parliament’s to give).
But Boris as PM is on the EU council, can't be replaced at this forum while he remains PM and can actually veto the extension request even if it were deemed that parliament's lord high poo-Bah had any standing
#PedantryCorner is pronounced "Hash Pedantry Corner" it is a Hashtag.
It's "Hashtag (pause) Pedantry Corner", and you have to do the airquotes thing while you're doing it, otherwise the spell is not well-formed and collapses.
Is this true that the decision to prorogue was taken by Johnson, Gove and Cox alone and without consultation with other Ministers? Just mentioned on WATO.
Yup. As I pointed out, you can do a lot with 3 PCs and a famous example is the authorisation of the Falklands TaskForce (Thatcher, Tebbit, Nott). It worries me that I know this and MPs don't.
Does explain the relative absence of Cabinet Ministers out to defend it.
More misleading statements. The enemy of democracy is misinformation. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Not one thing I said was misleading.
Its sitting next week - FACT. They could change government next week if that's what MPs want - FACT. MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. FACT
Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision? - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days. - FACT, FACT, FACT, my opinion.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing. - FACT.
The conference recess has not been voted on yet mate.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
It would be spectacularly ironic, not to mention hilarious, if the prorogue were to be deemed illegal because they did it at Balmoral instead of Windsor...
Given that ever part of the the Brexit farce has had additional farce added to it - I would bet my house* on the prorogation being found to be unlawful
* This is not betting advice, but you can just see how it's going to play out.
Can you imagine the volcanic eruption from Number 10 if that happened? The ash would disrupt flights across the Atlantic for weeks.
The front page of the Express would be something to behold the next day as well.
Let’s suppose the rebels and opposition unite and pass a simple Act. What will it say? ....
If I were drafting it, it would say:
1. The Chair of the Brexit Select Committee is appointed the UK's High Representative for Article 50, authorised by parliament to negotiate an extension of between X and Y months with the EU.
2. In the event that agreement with the EU cannot be reached by the 15th October, the UK's High Representative for Article 50 is authorised and instructed by parliament to revoke the UK's notice Article 50, unless parliament votes otherwise.
Interesting, and I see where you’re going with that as it is reasonably simple and “agreeable”. But it’s still open to the PM to say “if you agree his extension I’ll be very cross and will do undesirable thing X”, and the Committee Chair can’t really offer much about what will happen in the 6 months. Though I suppose we can assume an immediate election. I’d also want some pretty detailed legal advice on whether a person appointed by Parliament can be given that power (i.e. is it Parliament’s to give).
But Boris as PM is on the EU council, can't be replaced and can actually veto the extension request even if it were deemed that parliament's lord high poo-Bah had any standing
That one at least is covered. For these purposes we’re not on the Council.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
@HYUFD will conveniently ignore this as it does not suit his agenda.
29% for May's Deal as a reasonable compromise is actually higher than soft Brexit on that poll, Remain is almost as divisive as No Deal is
You are turning into a parody of yourself. You do realise other people can read the chart for themselves? 54% is higher than 44%. 49% is not "almost" the same as 41%. And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
Nothing to lie about, both No Deal and Remain have the highest favourables but also the highest negatives and May's Deal has the highest support as a compromise
#PedantryCorner is pronounced "Hash Pedantry Corner" it is a Hashtag.
It's "Hashtag (pause) Pedantry Corner", and you have to do the airquotes thing while you're doing it, otherwise the spell is not well-formed and collapses.
But the name for # is Hash, not Hashtag. The whole thing is the hashtag.
Oh Dear, Murdo who has been defeated 7 times trying to get elected , yet supped at the public teat each time by getting a losers list seat. A perfect leader for the Scottish pretend Tory party. Contribution for his almost £1M lottery win , some dire tweets about WATP
Whoosh!
The point being that the "Tories" "glory days" in Scotland were as the "Unionist" Party and not as the "Conservative" Party - which was seen as too "English". If they could get back to polling in the high thirties percentage of the vote it might be no bad thing. Where else are Unionist voters to go?
I suspect the LDs will pick up some Unionist Remainers who voted Tory in 2017 but the Tories will keep most of their Leave voters in Scotland.
In fact I think Slab could come 4th at the next general election in Scotland, the Shetland by election tonight might be an indicator
Shetland by election will indicate fuck all. Even if the SNP won all it will show is that the SNP threw a lot of people at it.
It will show swing and will likely see Slab fall from 3rd to 4th
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
Thats what I was taught too - and its certainly a widespread practice - but as a Francophile Republican TSE has the Academie FrancaiseAcadémie Française on his side.
The answer of course is 'I will when the UK Government proposes a credible one'.
Come on, boffins! Stop wasting your time on curing cancer and coming up with new ceramides for L'Oréal shampoo... HYUFD and Mr Johnson require a technical solution to the Irish border, so pull your fingers out, nerds, and make it snappy!
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
Thats what I was taught too - and its certainly a widespread practice - but as a Francophile Republican TSE has the Academie FrancaiseAcadémie Française on his side.
@HYUFD will conveniently ignore this as it does not suit his agenda.
29% for May's Deal as a reasonable compromise is actually higher than soft Brexit on that poll, Remain is almost as divisive as No Deal is
You are turning into a parody of yourself. You do realise other people can read the chart for themselves? 54% is higher than 44%. 49% is not "almost" the same as 41%. And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
Nothing to lie about, both No Deal and Remain have the highest favourables but also the highest negatives and May's Deal has the highest support as a compromise
May's deal does NOT have the highest support as a compromise, unless you count the people who view an outcome as "fairly good" or "very good" as being actually against that outcome.
No Deal clearly has a lot more negatives than Remain (49 to 41).
Can you please stop spamming the forum with obvious lies.
#PedantryCorner is pronounced "Hash Pedantry Corner" it is a Hashtag.
It's "Hashtag (pause) Pedantry Corner", and you have to do the airquotes thing while you're doing it, otherwise the spell is not well-formed and collapses.
But the name for # is Hash, not Hashtag. The whole thing is the hashtag.
It depends whether you are telling someone what the hashtag is, or are telling them how to type it.
Let’s suppose the rebels and opposition unite and pass a simple Act. What will it say? ....
If I were drafting it, it would say:
1. The Chair of the Brexit Select Committee is appointed the UK's High Representative for Article 50, authorised by parliament to negotiate an extension of between X and Y months with the EU.
2. In the event that agreement with the EU cannot be reached by the 15th October, the UK's High Representative for Article 50 is authorised and instructed by parliament to revoke the UK's notice Article 50, unless parliament votes otherwise.
Interesting, and I see where you’re going with that as it is reasonably simple and “agreeable”. But it’s still open to the PM to say “if you agree his extension I’ll be very cross and will do undesirable thing X”, and the Committee Chair can’t really offer much about what will happen in the 6 months. Though I suppose we can assume an immediate election. I’d also want some pretty detailed legal advice on whether a person appointed by Parliament can be given that power (i.e. is it Parliament’s to give).
But Boris as PM is on the EU council, can't be replaced at this forum while he remains PM and can actually veto the extension request even if it were deemed that parliament's lord high poo-Bah had any standing
Now this is where it gets weird. The Head of Government is not automatically the person responsible for foreign policy. From memory (I may be wrong), this is the case of the Finnish PM. So it's entirely possible the role of UK plenipotentiary can be delegated by Parliament to somebody other than the PM, and the former authorised to speak for the UK to the EU
@HYUFD will conveniently ignore this as it does not suit his agenda.
29% for May's Deal as a reasonable compromise is actually higher than soft Brexit on that poll, Remain is almost as divisive as No Deal is
You are turning into a parody of yourself. You do realise other people can read the chart for themselves? 54% is higher than 44%. 49% is not "almost" the same as 41%. And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
Nothing to lie about, both No Deal and Remain have the highest favourables but also the highest negatives and May's Deal has the highest support as a compromise
Soft Brexit has higher favouables than No Deal as far as I can tell and its favourable plus acceptance level is higher than May's Deal. Are we looking at different charts?
Not a problem. They all tend to catch up on sleep with afternoon naps anyway. Perhaps they can put up some screens with snooker on to help them snooze through it.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
The word referendum is derived from the Latin word referendum, which means what must be referred. Some believe that the plural form is referenda, following the Latin rules of pluralization. This is incorrect. Referendum is now considered an English word and follows the English rules of pluralization, simply adding an s to form the plural as in referendums.
Referendums is logically preferable as a plural form meaning 'ballots on one issue' (as a Latin gerund referendum has no plural). The Latin plural gerundive 'referenda', meaning 'things to be referred', necessarily connotes a plurality of issues
It is closely related to agenda, "those matters which must be driven forward", from ago, to drive (cattle); and memorandum, "that matter which must be remembered", from memoro, to call to mind, corrigenda, from rego, to rule, make straight, those things which must be made straight (corrected), etc.
More misleading statements. The enemy of democracy is misinformation. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Not one thing I said was misleading.
Its sitting next week - FACT. They could change government next week if that's what MPs want - FACT. MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. FACT
Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision? - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days. - FACT, FACT, FACT, my opinion.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing. - FACT.
The conference recess has not been voted on yet mate.
@HYUFD will conveniently ignore this as it does not suit his agenda.
29% for May's Deal as a reasonable compromise is actually higher than soft Brexit on that poll, Remain is almost as divisive as No Deal is
You are turning into a parody of yourself. You do realise other people can read the chart for themselves? 54% is higher than 44%. 49% is not "almost" the same as 41%. And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
Nothing to lie about, both No Deal and Remain have the highest favourables but also the highest negatives and May's Deal has the highest support as a compromise
Soft Brexit has higher favouables than No Deal as far as I can tell and its favourable plus acceptance level is higher than May's Deal. Are we looking at different charts?
No Deal has a higher very good outcome rating than soft Brexit and May's Deal has the highest compromise rating
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
Thats what I was taught too - and its certainly a widespread practice - but as a Francophile Republican TSE has the Academie FrancaiseAcadémie Française on his side.
Is this true that the decision to prorogue was taken by Johnson, Gove and Cox alone and without consultation with other Ministers? Just mentioned on WATO.
Yup. As I pointed out, you can do a lot with 3 PCs and a famous example is the authorisation of the Falklands TaskForce (Thatcher, Tebbit, Nott). It worries me that I know this and MPs don't.
Does explain the relative absence of Cabinet Ministers out to defend it.
Interesting fact. The Cabinet is a standing subcommittee of the Privy Council. The trick to understanding the UK is that it's a mediaeval kingdom retrofitted to behave like a Westphalian state. Many of the old, dusty buttons and switches still have power and there are many tricks one can pull.
Let’s suppose the rebels and opposition unite and pass a simple Act. What will it say? ....
If I were drafting it, it would say:
1. The Chair of the Brexit Select Committee is appointed the UK's High Representative for Article 50, authorised by parliament to negotiate an extension of between X and Y months with the EU.
2. In the event that agreement with the EU cannot be reached by the 15th October, the UK's High Representative for Article 50 is authorised and instructed by parliament to revoke the UK's notice Article 50, unless parliament votes otherwise.
Interesting, and I see where you’re going with that as it is reasonably simple and “agreeable”. But it’s still open to the PM to say “if you agree his extension I’ll be very cross and will do undesirable thing X”, and the Committee Chair can’t really offer much about what will happen in the 6 months. Though I suppose we can assume an immediate election. I’d also want some pretty detailed legal advice on whether a person appointed by Parliament can be given that power (i.e. is it Parliament’s to give).
But Boris as PM is on the EU council, can't be replaced at this forum while he remains PM and can actually veto the extension request even if it were deemed that parliament's lord high poo-Bah had any standing
Now this is where it gets weird. The Head of Government is not automatically the person responsible for foreign policy. From memory (I may be wrong), this is the case of the Finnish PM. So it's entirely possible the role of UK plenipotentiary can be delegated by Parliament to somebody other than the PM, and the former authorised to speak for the UK to the EU
This was the suggestion I made the other day about how the constitutionalist MPs could deal with a rogue Prime Minister.
@HYUFD will conveniently ignore this as it does not suit his agenda.
29% for May's Deal as a reasonable compromise is actually higher than soft Brexit on that poll, Remain is almost as divisive as No Deal is
You are turning into a parody of yourself. You do realise other people can read the chart for themselves? 54% is higher than 44%. 49% is not "almost" the same as 41%. And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
Nothing to lie about, both No Deal and Remain have the highest favourables but also the highest negatives and May's Deal has the highest support as a compromise
Soft Brexit has higher favouables than No Deal as far as I can tell and its favourable plus acceptance level is higher than May's Deal. Are we looking at different charts?
Not at all. You just haven't learned the art of cherrypicking from manure.
Hilarious that Philip Pullman's tweet hinting that Boris should be hanged has attracted little comment on here. Now if it had come from the other side......
Basically our system is broken. We haven’t had a PM with no majority, not even C&S, on a blatant confidence matter since the 19th century. And back then what we assume as the basics of democracy and the sovereign’s role weren’t in place.
It is a mad situation. The PM is a long way from a majority on the key issue of the day, but Parliament won’t remove him.
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Stop lying. Its not 4 days, its 6 weeks.
Justify extending the current Parliament. It is already the longest for nearly 400 years.
You can't.
We are due to leave the EU without a deal very shortly. Any deal - and your PM promises he will return with one - will have to be debated in, and approved by, Parliament. Proroguing Parliament in this manner reduces its function to that of a rubber stamp.
If there is to be any further deal, it will not be delivered by the EU before their mid-October summit. Therefore no time has been lost to debate that specific deal - if it materialises.
All that has been lost is mischief time for the Remainers. Boo hoo.
The voice of a democrat.
Yep. I want to implmemt the Referendum. You? Not so much a democrat.....
Unlike your heroes, I was reluctantly in favour of May's deal being approved.
#PedantryCorner is pronounced "Hash Pedantry Corner" it is a Hashtag.
It's "Hashtag (pause) Pedantry Corner", and you have to do the airquotes thing while you're doing it, otherwise the spell is not well-formed and collapses.
But the name for # is Hash, not Hashtag. The whole thing is the hashtag.
# is a hash, but it's use in a Twitter context is as a hashtag, and the word "hashtag" has become the word used to describe the hash when used as a hashtag to the rest of the phrase. So # is pronounced "hash" when it's used as a hash, and "hashtag" when it's used as a hashtag.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
The word referendum is derived from the Latin word referendum, which means what must be referred. Some believe that the plural form is referenda, following the Latin rules of pluralization. This is incorrect. Referendum is now considered an English word and follows the English rules of pluralization, simply adding an s to form the plural as in referendums.
Referendums is logically preferable as a plural form meaning 'ballots on one issue' (as a Latin gerund referendum has no plural). The Latin plural gerundive 'referenda', meaning 'things to be referred', necessarily connotes a plurality of issues
It is closely related to agenda, "those matters which must be driven forward", from ago, to drive (cattle); and memorandum, "that matter which must be remembered", from memoro, to call to mind, corrigenda, from rego, to rule, make straight, those things which must be made straight (corrected), etc.
Hilarious that Philip Pullman's tweet hinting that Boris should be hanged has attracted little comment on here. Now if it had come from the other side......
Probably because no one was aware of it. Any such language is contemptible.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
Stadia is the plural of stadium, media is the plural of medium, quanta is the plural of quantum. Referenda is the plural of referendum. I am trying desperately not to use the word "labia" here...
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Bollocks. You know effing well that the PM is frit of the Commons. He's a coward and a liar. This wheeze has been designed to avoid scrutiny.
# is a hash, but it's use in a Twitter context is as a hashtag, and the word "hashtag" has become the word used to describe the hash when used as a hashtag to the rest of the phrase. So # is pronounced "hash" when it's used as a hash, and "hashtag" when it's used as a hashtag.
That's not entirely accurate.
On Twitter, a hashtag is the hash # sign followed by some text.
Good to see Priti sorting out the surge of Channel crossings by illegal migrants today. Whose got the tankers and hostages Iran illegally holding top of their to do list, what’s being done about that? We’ve capitulated and freed their tanker.
Okay, on topic, let’s not get sidetracked here: There’s only one action very top of Boris to do list, whats the alternate plan for the backstop. Boris has to turn round that 6 point deficit. He has to make brexit right. He has to make brexit work.
The backstop is there to avoid a hard border across Ireland when UK and EU are operating different customs regimes. The hard border not only breaks treaties signed up to by the UK government, in practice it will become focal for protest, likely end up with British troops manning it to protect it. The previous PMs negotiation came up with this backstop, did not come up with an alternative even in face of mortal destruction of her political career. Boris governments official policy is not “we don’t like the backstop so no backstop” the only honest policy and realistic negotiation is an alternative plan to be agreed with EU replacing proposed backstop, indeed something Boris with customary oomph agreed to have settled in just 30 days last week accepting it was up to Britain to provide a solution, he said he was "more than happy" with the "blistering timetable" Merkel had set out.
So Boris, the EU heads of state and negotiators, the British people, infact the whole world is waiting to hear your plan for alternative backstop, your timetable is ticking down. Where’s your backstop alternative?
How does imposing the backstop against the wishes of one of the two communities in NI keep to the GFA?
This should have been handled sensibly. But poor dear Leo thought he knew better. Fuckwit.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
Thats what I was taught too - and its certainly a widespread practice - but as a Francophile Republican TSE has the Academie FrancaiseAcadémie Française on his side.
I'm appalled by Ruth Davidson's remarks. "referenda"? Ye Gods. It is always referendums.
What I worked at BBC News in the late 70s we had two referendums going on in Scotland and Wales and the dictat came from high - the plural was referenda. At the time I was Duty Editor for Radios 1 and 2 news and felt almost embarrassed by this for our audiences. We used to get into all sorts of verbal contortions to avoid "referendums" but we never used the form referenda
On a similar note, Dear the United Kingdom, it’s coup d’État, with a capital E with an accent aigu, please.
#PedantryCorner
I thought accents over capital letters were entirely optional in written French?
Thats what I was taught too - and its certainly a widespread practice - but as a Francophile Republican TSE has the Academie FrancaiseAcadémie Française on his side.
I was taught at school, many many years ago, in fact around the last time a British government lost a VONC, that using accents on capitals was regarded by most educated French-speakers as a bit déclassé and a sign of a poor education. I was also told that it was the advent of the typewriter that did for the elimination of accented capitals as they are difficult to satisfactorily achieve on such machines.
However, I understand from Francophone friends that because word processors and computer typesetting make it easier to produce accented capitals, the tide has turned in their favour and it is no longer considered infra dig to use them. It’s not expected either, though, so it’s totally up to the writer.
More misleading statements. The enemy of democracy is misinformation. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Not one thing I said was misleading.
Its sitting next week - FACT. They could change government next week if that's what MPs want - FACT. MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. FACT
Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision? - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days. - FACT, FACT, FACT, my opinion.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing. - FACT.
The conference recess has not been voted on yet mate.
Hilarious that Philip Pullman's tweet hinting that Boris should be hanged has attracted little comment on here. Now if it had come from the other side......
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Bollocks. You know effing well that the PM is frit of the Commons. He's a coward and a liar. This wheeze has been designed scrutiny.
A republican, such as yourself, does not love this country. He loves another country that this one, that the UK is not; one without a monarch as head of state. That means you are not a patriot.
The USA lacks a monarch and is full of republicans. Whatever anyone thinks of Americans, their patriotism rarely in doubt.
A monarch is not required to be a patriot.
Would you view an American citizen who campaigned for the Queen to be crowned as Queen of the US as a patriot?
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Bollocks. You know effing well that the PM is frit of the Commons. He's a coward and a liar. This wheeze has been designed scrutiny.
What is it with LDs and bollocks?
They're the only party that are showing some right now?
Indeed but it will be ignored by your fellow Brexiteers who prioritise Brexit over the Union.
Sad.
Probably, yes. Very depressing.
Cheer up, you’re getting what you’ve always wanted, the UK leaving the EU.
No, I don't put sacrificing everything else as worth it just for that.
It's why I favoured May's Deal.
Considering May's awful deal and the backstop was a betrayal of Take Back Control and everything we debated during the referendum I'm confused by its popularity here.
Prorouging Parliament is a far worse betrayal of Take Back Control
If Parliament was prorogued from 4 September to 1 November maybe. That's not happening though is it?
Proroguation is happening over 4 sitting days as a long overdue Queens Speech finally happens.
If it wanted to Parliament could vote to revoke. It's had 3.5 years so far the hysteria over 4 sitting days for an overdue State Opening is pathetic.
Bollocks. You know effing well that the PM is frit of the Commons. He's a coward and a liar. This wheeze has been designed to avoid scrutiny.
I totally disagree with this characterisation of our Prime Minister.
It should read, 'he's a coward, a liar, a racist, a chauvinist, a bully, an inarticulate speaker and a lazy fool.'
Hilarious that Philip Pullman's tweet hinting that Boris should be hanged has attracted little comment on here. Now if it had come from the other side......
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All that has been lost is mischief time for the Remainers. Boo hoo.
No hard feelings.
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1167043679741251584
#PedantryCorner
MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision?
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing.
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1167015063384940544?s=20
Murdo Fraser is 2/1 favourite on the buggins' turn principle. Tomkins might be worth a punt on the basis that he has an ill deserved rep for providing some intellectual heft to the SCon benches, not a high bar to clear.
Annie Wells: hahahahahaha.
54% is higher than 44%.
49% is not "almost" the same as 41%.
And the chart shows figures for "acceptable compromise" not "reasonable compromise".
If you're going to lie about everything, probably best not to lie so obviously.
Naturally it would have split the Tory party, but arguably in a better way than is currently happening.
It would be spectacularly ironic, not to mention hilarious, if the prorogue were to be deemed illegal because they did it at Balmoral instead of Windsor...
Its sitting next week - FACT.
They could change government next week if that's what MPs want - FACT.
MPs in Parliament literally voted themselves a 6 week holiday recently. FACT
Remember recesses are voted for, now given the time constraints I might have thought MPs might consider it more important to resolve Brexit BEFORE going on a six week holiday but apparently they knew better. That would have given the public some security in knowing what was going on, but why bother to make a decision? - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
Parliament has had 3.5 years since the referendum. Its had six months nearly since Brexit was extended. Its had six weeks now they chose to be on holiday rather than bother to sort this out. Forgive me for not giving a damn about crocodile tears over 4 frigging days. - FACT, FACT, FACT, my opinion.
MPs need to stop dicking about and make an actual decision. They need to stop saying what they don't want and decide what they do want. - My opinion but I think its reasonable.
If they do that then the very long overdue State Opening of Parliament and associated 4-sitting-day proroguation won't change a thing. - FACT.
* This is not betting advice, but you can just see how it's going to play out.
Stop posting this drivel.
The front page of the Express would be something to behold the next day as well.
MV4 - Live Free or Deal Hard?
https://twitter.com/HYUFD1/status/1167046174508892160?s=20
The answer of course is 'I will when the UK Government proposes a credible one'.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/john-bercow-is-itching-to-stop-brexit-–-and-there-isnt-much-the-government-can-do-to-get-in-his-way/ar-AAGsnjO?ocid=spartanntp
https://www.thoughtco.com/french-accented-capitals-4085546
What's a patriotic Brit to do?
No Deal clearly has a lot more negatives than Remain (49 to 41).
Can you please stop spamming the forum with obvious lies.
(P.S. where’s my cut?)
"Boris Johnson’s Brexit envoy offered the European Union no new ideas in finding a way out of the Brexit impasse, Brussels sources have said."
https://grammarist.com/plurals/referendum/
Referendums is logically preferable as a plural form meaning 'ballots on one issue' (as a Latin gerund referendum has no plural). The Latin plural gerundive 'referenda', meaning 'things to be referred', necessarily connotes a plurality of issues
It is closely related to agenda, "those matters which must be driven forward", from ago, to drive (cattle); and memorandum, "that matter which must be remembered", from memoro, to call to mind, corrigenda, from rego, to rule, make straight, those things which must be made straight (corrected), etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum
So a referenda on Brexit, anyone?
I only learned French so I could mock the fromage manger des singes de reddition in their own language.
One of the saddest things about Brexit is that the English language will no longer be the lingua franca of the EU.
You just haven't learned the art of cherrypicking from manure.
The É is capitalised.
It is a mad situation. The PM is a long way from a majority on the key issue of the day, but Parliament won’t remove him.
Any such language is contemptible.
http://www.twitter.com/number10staffer/status/1167051655076077568
On Twitter, a hashtag is the hash # sign followed by some text.
#Brexit for example
Here the "hashtag" is #Brexit.
This should have been handled sensibly. But poor dear Leo thought he knew better. Fuckwit.
However, I understand from Francophone friends that because word processors and computer typesetting make it easier to produce accented capitals, the tide has turned in their favour and it is no longer considered infra dig to use them. It’s not expected either, though, so it’s totally up to the writer.
He's been PM for 36 days and known he was certain to be PM for twice as long; if there's any solution out there his team would surely have it by now?
It should read, 'he's a coward, a liar, a racist, a chauvinist, a bully, an inarticulate speaker and a lazy fool.'