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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,478
    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    So Ms P will be laying the regulations before Parliament at the earliest etc.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    edited August 2019
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    So Ms P will be laying the regulations before Parliament at the earliest etc.
    Parliament has already agreed it by passing the EU Withdrawal Act.
  • malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Oh, you are talking about existing residents, sorry. I don't think much at all is going to happen to them unless the UK government chucks out all the EU citizens living in the UK.
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    Or visa waivers?
    Surely it means we are leaving the e.u Oct 31. Deal or no deal?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
  • malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Same as EU citizens living here, they should be "grandfathered" and given leave to remain. This would apply for EU citizens looking to move here in the future, not those already here.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited August 2019
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Most of us have residency certificates problem comes for those who come for four months or more probably solved by coming back for the weekend. Also we have rights under the Geneva Convention so we can’t be thrown out.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Oh, you are talking about existing residents, sorry. I don't think much at all is going to happen to them unless the UK government chucks out all the EU citizens living in the UK.
    Surely they will need to at worst get permanent visa's or go back to UK every 3 months. What will happen to medical rights etc etc
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    There's a difference between those already living abroad (whether here or on the continent) and those looking to move abroad in the future (whether to here or to the continent).
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Same as EU citizens living here, they should be "grandfathered" and given leave to remain. This would apply for EU citizens looking to move here in the future, not those already here.
    As UK citizens, I would have thought it will mean them having to take citizenship of country they are in surely
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    nichomar said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Most of us have residency certificates problem comes for those who come for four months or more probably solved by coming back for the weekend. Also we have rights under the Geneva Convention so we can’t be thrown out.
    Thanks for that
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    There's a difference between those already living abroad (whether here or on the continent) and those looking to move abroad in the future (whether to here or to the continent).
    Indeed. Remainiacs you're running out of time. If you want to fuck off to your beloved super-state best do it soon.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Same as EU citizens living here, they should be "grandfathered" and given leave to remain. This would apply for EU citizens looking to move here in the future, not those already here.
    As UK citizens, I would have thought it will mean them having to take citizenship of country they are in surely
    We are giving EU citizens already in the UK the right to remain in the UK.

    Hopefully EU countries do the same for the UK citizens already living in the EU but we can't compel that.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Same as EU citizens living here, they should be "grandfathered" and given leave to remain. This would apply for EU citizens looking to move here in the future, not those already here.
    As UK citizens, I would have thought it will mean them having to take citizenship of country they are in surely
    We are giving EU citizens already in the UK the right to remain in the UK.

    Hopefully EU countries do the same for the UK citizens already living in the EU but we can't compel that.
    Some countries have already said that they will do that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    edited August 2019

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Oh, you are talking about existing residents, sorry. I don't think much at all is going to happen to them unless the UK government chucks out all the EU citizens living in the UK.
    Surely they will need to at worst get permanent visa's or go back to UK every 3 months. What will happen to medical rights etc etc
    I imagine they'd get indefinite leave to remain, or whatever the equivalent continental version is. Several of the countries have already announced policies relating to access to healthcare etc. Spain, for example, will continue to offer healthcare to Brits with permanent residency.

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/01/10/what-would-a-no-deal-brexit-mean-for-citizens-rights
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    Oh so 'Civic Nationalism' now includes English people.

    Well you could have warned us.

    Now, about this tuition fees policy...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Same as EU citizens living here, they should be "grandfathered" and given leave to remain. This would apply for EU citizens looking to move here in the future, not those already here.
    As UK citizens, I would have thought it will mean them having to take citizenship of country they are in surely
    If you are going there forever, then that is probably a good idea. Lets you exercise your civic duties such as voting and jury duty.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Oh, you are talking about existing residents, sorry. I don't think much at all is going to happen to them unless the UK government chucks out all the EU citizens living in the UK.
    Surely they will need to at worst get permanent visa's or go back to UK every 3 months. What will happen to medical rights etc etc
    I imagine they'd get indefinite leave to remain, or whatever the equivalent continental version is. Several of the countries have already announced policies relating to access to healthcare etc. Spain, for example, will continue to offer healthcare to Brits with permanent residency.

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/01/10/what-would-a-no-deal-brexit-mean-for-citizens-rights
    Thanks Rob
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    Even if they vote No?

    *innocent face*
  • Floater said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Same as EU citizens living here, they should be "grandfathered" and given leave to remain. This would apply for EU citizens looking to move here in the future, not those already here.
    As UK citizens, I would have thought it will mean them having to take citizenship of country they are in surely
    We are giving EU citizens already in the UK the right to remain in the UK.

    Hopefully EU countries do the same for the UK citizens already living in the EU but we can't compel that.
    Some countries have already said that they will do that.
    All countries should ultimately. Its the right thing to do.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,193
    nichomar said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Most of us have residency certificates problem comes for those who come for four months or more probably solved by coming back for the weekend. Also we have rights under the Geneva Convention so we can’t be thrown out.
    Rights under the Geneva Convention???

    If you are thinking of the Vienna Convention this was just another Leave campaign lie, I'm afraid. Peddled here by the Telegraph in 2015, for example:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11698875/Emigration-Why-British-expats-have-nothing-to-fear-from-Brexit.html
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    So all those evil Romanians will still be able to come over here? Boy, I really can't wait until we leave and racist incidents go through the roof when people realise all the "darkies" are still here.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    Even if they vote No?

    *innocent face*
    That is democracy for you Rob, sometimes it is a bitch
  • Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    Immigration law is sometimes difficult. I've been prevented from visiting family over the Christmas holidays before because my visa status was changing. I would have not been let back in the US had I left!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    CatMan said:

    So all those evil Romanians will still be able to come over here? Boy, I really can't wait until we leave and racist incidents go through the roof when people realise all the "darkies" are still here.

    No one ever suggested a blanket ban on any foreigners ever entering the UK.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    Given the uselessness of the Home Office , Windrush , etc you can be sure it will be a disaster. People will be scared to go visit family in case they don't get back in. They will be deporting people or refusing entry hand over fist.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Foxy said:

    Gabs2 said:

    FPT

    rpjs said:

    The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.

    That would have been a bit tricky seeing as it was proposed by the UK...
    Not that old bulls**t again. No it wasn't.
    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1005373/
    That article makes it abundantly clear that the backstop was an Irish demand - and one any self-respecting British PM would have replied "FUCK OFF!!!" to the moment the EU proposed it. The Irish and EU side repeatedly wrote this and the UK was repeatedly horrified but never said no. Pathetic! There's nothing there that says the UK proposed this and its abundantly clear even useless May was reluctant to sign it. Thankfully Parliament didn't.
    assured by the commission this was not a requirement for sufficient progress," recalls one British official. "I don’t know if they were misleading us. They're negotiators."
    ary.
    The EU certainly does come off the worse in that article. What I noted most was this bit:

    "London has not shifted in its view that commission's initial backstop draft would impose an intolerable requirement for customs and regulatory checks along the Irish Sea.

    Michel Barnier's response is to "de-dramatize" those checks. Using scanning and barcode technology on electronically pre-cleared customs declarations would minimise not just the customs elements, but also VAT and excise."

    If NI-GB checks can be "de-dramatized" why can't NI-ROI ones be de-dramatized?

    Ferries are rather easier to do customs checks on, being only a much smaller number of crossings and crossing points.

    If Leavers believe in these checks being easily introduced, then they should have no fear of the backstop. We would have a couple of years to sort them. If howevef they are fictional...
    That's garbage because the need for a backstop is a fiction already.

    A compromise can't exist until both sides want it to exist, a compromise requires both sides to give a bit and not demand 100% and as long as the backstop exists the EU is demanding 100% so will not give an inch.

    Only by us leaving the EU without a backstop will the EU seriously start looking at alternatives and then they suddenly won't be fictional. But if we leave with a backstop they will be.
    The backstop would be redundant if there is an FTA. Are you saying that there will not be an FTA?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    RobD said:

    CatMan said:

    So all those evil Romanians will still be able to come over here? Boy, I really can't wait until we leave and racist incidents go through the roof when people realise all the "darkies" are still here.

    No one ever suggested a blanket ban on any foreigners ever entering the UK.
    No, but quite a few leavers voted Leave for purely bigoted reasons.

    (Note: I'm NOT saying all leavers are racist, or even a majority are, but a significant chunk seem to be)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    CatMan said:

    RobD said:

    CatMan said:

    So all those evil Romanians will still be able to come over here? Boy, I really can't wait until we leave and racist incidents go through the roof when people realise all the "darkies" are still here.

    No one ever suggested a blanket ban on any foreigners ever entering the UK.
    No, but quite a few leavers voted Leave for purely bigoted reasons.

    (Note: I'm NOT saying all leavers are racist, or even a majority are, but a significant chunk seem to be)
    They are going to be shocked when it is only Europeans are banned and the ones they wanted shipped out are still here and being joined by loads more to take up the slack. Their brains will explode.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    Gabs2 said:

    FPT

    rpjs said:

    The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.

    That would have been a bit tricky seeing as it was proposed by the UK...
    Not that old bulls**t again. No it wasn't.
    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1005373/
    That article makes it abundantly clear that the backstop was an Irish demand - and one any self-respecting British PM would have replied "FUCK OFF!!!" to the moment the EU proposed it. The Irish and EU side repeatedly wrote this and the UK was repeatedly horrified but never said no. Pathetic! There's nothing there that says the UK proposed this and its abundantly clear even useless May was reluctant to sign it. Thankfully Parliament didn't.
    assured by the commission this was not a requirement for sufficient progress," recalls one British official. "I don’t know if they were misleading us. They're negotiators."
    ary.
    The EU certainly does come off the worse in that article. What I noted most was this bit:

    "London has not shifted in its view that commission's initial backstop draft would impose an intolerable requirement for customs and regulatory checks along the Irish Sea.

    Michel Barnier's response is to "de-dramatize" those checks. Using scanning and barcode technology on electronically pre-cleared customs declarations would minimise not just the customs elements, but also VAT and excise."

    If NI-GB checks can be "de-dramatized" why can't NI-ROI ones be de-dramatized?

    Ferries are rather easier to do customs checks on, being only a much smaller number of crossings and crossing points.

    If Leavers believe in these checks being easily introduced, then they should have no fear of the backstop. We would have a couple of years to sort them. If howevef they are fictional...
    That's garbage because the need for a backstop is a fiction already.

    A compromise can't exist until both sides want it to exist, a compromise requires both sides to give a bit and not demand 100% and as long as the backstop exists the EU is demanding 100% so will not give an inch.

    Only by us leaving the EU without a backstop will the EU seriously start looking at alternatives and then they suddenly won't be fictional. But if we leave with a backstop they will be.
    The backstop would be redundant if there is an FTA. Are you saying that there will not be an FTA?
    Not for a very long time at least unless they drop their pants completely
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    DougSeal said:


    The backstop would be redundant if there is an FTA. Are you saying that there will not be an FTA?

    To me that was the dumbest thing about this whole exercise. Months and month and months of time wasted discussing something that would never be needed. Why not just start with the FTA and be done with it?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    edited August 2019

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% of the EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

  • CatMan said:

    RobD said:

    CatMan said:

    So all those evil Romanians will still be able to come over here? Boy, I really can't wait until we leave and racist incidents go through the roof when people realise all the "darkies" are still here.

    No one ever suggested a blanket ban on any foreigners ever entering the UK.
    No, but quite a few leavers voted Leave for purely bigoted reasons.

    Citation required

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060


    Citation required

    Don't you remember the day after the referendum?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. D, the sequencing gives the advantage to the EU in negotiations. It's also arse-about-face, because there's an insistence on what the Irish border should be but the border circumstances will be dictated by the trade agreement. We need to know the trade agreement to know the permanent border situation.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757
    Given Denmark is giving out negative interest rate mortgages and interest rates are ludicrously low elsewhere, it would be a bit of an irony but maybe not a bad one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    I have to remortgage next year so bring on the negative interest rates.
  • CatMan said:


    Citation required

    Don't you remember the day after the referendum?
    So some of the WWC got a bit overexcited.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    One of the most likely numbers is missing: 0.1%. The Bank will not cut all the way to zero but they now believe that the effective lower bound is below 0.25%, and I think around 0.1% is where they see it. In my view there is value at 0.75% (if we avoid no deal or if the Bank waits a few months before acting) and also at 2% or above (in case we enter a full on currency crisis, unlikely but maybe not as unlikely as priced). Laying 0% would also be profitable, for the reason given above.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
  • One of the most likely numbers is missing: 0.1%. The Bank will not cut all the way to zero but they now believe that the effective lower bound is below 0.25%, and I think around 0.1% is where they see it. In my view there is value at 0.75% (if we avoid no deal or if the Bank waits a few months before acting) and also at 2% or above (in case we enter a full on currency crisis, unlikely but maybe not as unlikely as priced). Laying 0% would also be profitable, for the reason given above.

    Lordy - another 2pc or higher fan. Are you a Citeh boy or something ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    In our local hospital they have a load of Greek Doctor's working 10 days on and 10 days off. They will be stuffed if they cannot get back in given it is still hard to get appointments even as it is. My wife was attending and they were talking 8 weeks for appointment as it is so just had to go private. Not great for most people who could not afford to do that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    edited August 2019
    The title for Uninformed MP of the Week is always a hard fought contest, but this guy pips it:

    https://twitter.com/bbradleymp/status/1162623129895809024
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    FPT

    rpjs said:

    The backstop rewards the EU for negotiating in bad faith. It is why it should have been filed under "FUCK OFF!!!" the moment it was proposed.

    That would have been a bit tricky seeing as it was proposed by the UK...
    Not that old bulls**t again. No it wasn't.
    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1005373/
    That article makes it abundantly clear that the backstop was an Irish demand - and one any self-respecting British PM would have replied "FUCK OFF!!!" to the moment the EU proposed it. The Irish and EU side repeatedly wrote this and the UK was repeatedly horrified but never said no. Pathetic! There's nothing there that says the UK proposed this and its abundantly clear even useless May was reluctant to sign it. Thankfully Parliament didn't.

    Ultimately, that ships-in-the-night dynamic meant that when bullet point number six was conveyed on 8 November, London was horrified ...

    Firstly, London was positing the full resolution of the border through the future relationship, not the divorce. ...

    "When we produced the guiding principles paper," recalls one EU diplomat, "the British said, okay, great, where do we sign? That’ll be sufficient progress. That sort of dynamic was always there. We weren’t getting tangible, written commitments." ...

    Irish and Task Force officials started working on a new text. It would become the 8 November working paper.

    "The working paper was a way of saying, the guiding principles have an ask," says one Irish official. "So that was the first articulation of the ask."

    When the 8 November paper was finally leaked the reaction was explosive. ...

    "We were assured by the commission this was not a requirement for sufficient progress," recalls one British official. "I don’t know if they were misleading us. They're negotiators."

    So how did the bullet point, which later became the backstop, become the main demand of the EU and Ireland? ...

    (London has, in the 12 months since, not wavered an iota from the line that the backstop is a constitutional assault on the UK.) ...

    When the Joint Report was first drafted into a legal text at end of February London was, once again, horrified ...

    Having reluctantly signed up to the political deal in December, the British government was unable to stomach its legal outworking in February.
    What part of 800 years of our genocide, torture, theft and just general shitty behaviour towards Ireland made anyone think they would not want a guarantee like that from the UK? They have no reason to trust us so they need a guarantee.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    Family events and emergencies don’t exist in Leaver World.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    And the Home Office is particularly noted for its efficiency and professionalism.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Yes. So I understand. That is the general refrain of the Scot Nat. Some of my best friends etc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    The title for Uninformed MP of the Week is always a hard fought contest, but this guy pips it:

    https://twitter.com/bbradleymp/status/1162623129895809024

    This microbiologist is worth reading on the subject:

    https://twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1162793812877631488?s=19
  • malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    Why has this guy not been in the Australian team? its not like their batting has been that special.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Yes. So I understand. That is the general refrain of the Scot Nat. Some of my best friends etc.
    So you are just an arsehole then, not interested in my real position.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Yes. So I understand. That is the general refrain of the Scot Nat. Some of my best friends etc.
    So you are just an arsehole then, not interested in my real position.
    Of course. If it makes you happy.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Foxy said:

    The title for Uninformed MP of the Week is always a hard fought contest, but this guy pips it:

    https://twitter.com/bbradleymp/status/1162623129895809024

    This microbiologist is worth reading on the subject:

    https://twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1162793812877631488?s=19
    More food poisoning cases for our abundantly resourced NHS to cope with.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
    You really are a cretinous Fcukwit. FFS take your pills.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798

    One of the most likely numbers is missing: 0.1%. The Bank will not cut all the way to zero but they now believe that the effective lower bound is below 0.25%, and I think around 0.1% is where they see it. In my view there is value at 0.75% (if we avoid no deal or if the Bank waits a few months before acting) and also at 2% or above (in case we enter a full on currency crisis, unlikely but maybe not as unlikely as priced). Laying 0% would also be profitable, for the reason given above.

    Lordy - another 2pc or higher fan. Are you a Citeh boy or something ?
    I don't think 2% or higher is likely, just that it may be marginally more likely than is priced and therefore is value. You do know how betting works, right?
    And yes, I do work in finance.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Yes. So I understand. That is the general refrain of the Scot Nat. Some of my best friends etc.
    So you are just an arsehole then, not interested in my real position.
    Of course. If it makes you happy.
    Arseholes can never make you happy
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
    You really are a cretinous Fcukwit. FFS take your pills.
    SNP is just the BNP for Scottish people. Just because you have a majority in Parliament doesn't make it any less so - National Socialist Scotland can go fuck itself - I'm with-

    La Resistance.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    This is just poor captaincy from Root. Bowling Archer (indeed overbowling him) when he doesn't look like taking a wicket is just daft.
  • One of the most likely numbers is missing: 0.1%. The Bank will not cut all the way to zero but they now believe that the effective lower bound is below 0.25%, and I think around 0.1% is where they see it. In my view there is value at 0.75% (if we avoid no deal or if the Bank waits a few months before acting) and also at 2% or above (in case we enter a full on currency crisis, unlikely but maybe not as unlikely as priced). Laying 0% would also be profitable, for the reason given above.

    Lordy - another 2pc or higher fan. Are you a Citeh boy or something ?
    I don't think 2% or higher is likely, just that it may be marginally more likely than is priced and therefore is value. You do know how betting works, right?
    And yes, I do work in finance.
    Value betting blah blah blah blah - change the odds into percentage chances blah blah blah - Yes I know how betting works.

    And there's absolutely no chance of 2pc interest rates this year.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    edited August 2019
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    In our local hospital they have a load of Greek Doctor's working 10 days on and 10 days off. They will be stuffed if they cannot get back in given it is still hard to get appointments even as it is. My wife was attending and they were talking 8 weeks for appointment as it is so just had to go private. Not great for most people who could not afford to do that.
    Yes, we often employ EU medics and nurses on such a basis. They are quite happy to work the weekend shifts in return for long weekends the following weekend, or one week off each month as time in lieu.

    All that air travel has a carbon cost but fills our rotas and everyone is happy. One of my Greek colleagues compares it to working as a sailor, seeing his children for a week a month, when in his home port.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
    You really are a cretinous Fcukwit. FFS take your pills.
    SNP is just the BNP for Scottish people. Just because you have a majority in Parliament doesn't make it any less so - National Socialist Scotland can go fuck itself - I'm with-

    La Resistance.
    You are just barking
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Yes. So I understand. That is the general refrain of the Scot Nat. Some of my best friends etc.
    So you are just an arsehole then, not interested in my real position.
    Of course. If it makes you happy.
    Arseholes can never make you happy
    There’s some who’d disagree
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,005
    edited August 2019

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
    I'm shocked that you feel that you're not allowed to criticise Scottish nationalism, but I salute your indefatigability in courageously criticising Scottish nationalism in every second post.
    Fight the power, Brisket.
  • malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
    I'm shocked that you feel that you're not allowed to criticise Scottish nationalism, but I salute your indefatigability in courageously criticising Scottish nationalism in every second post.
    Fight the power, Brisket.
    Everyday in every way Divvie
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    Family events and emergencies don’t exist in Leaver World.
    I agree some exceptions are needed for emergency situations. Events, less so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    @OldKingCole -- here's the government website describing the current policy:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting-the-uk-after-brexit

    If the UK leaves the EU without a deal

    ...

    The government is proposing to end free movement, but this is still subject to approval by Parliament. Once free movement has ended, if you’re a citizen of any other EU or EEA country, or Switzerland, you’ll still be able to enter the UK without a visa but only for up to 3 months.

    Will be lovely for Brits living abroad when the EU has reciprocal agreements. Be some bargains on the Costa's for sure.
    The EU have already agreed that.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47801920
    For 3 months, so what do the British living there do after 3 months.
    Brain Drain Scotland needs it's immigrants. Oh, but these are English people. My bad.
    We are talking about people living abroad you moron. Only cretin conflating it to Scottish/English is you. If you could read you would have understood the word "British".
    So you're saying you welcome English immigrants now are you? Because your tuition fees policy suggests the opposite.
    You don't half talk a load of crap. Of course I welcome English people moving to Scotland, what kind of a moronic bellend are you. I am happy with anyone who wants to move to Scotland.
    PS: Once here they get same free tuition as everybody else.
    If you’re not an Anglophobe, Malc, you’ve a funny way of showing it
    How do you work that out, I slag off Westminster and state quite clearly the union is crap for Scotland given England has 80%+ of the population. I do not remember ever saying anything about not liking English people. The system is against Scotland but it is not down to individual English people. I have no beef with the English.
    Civic Nationalism folks. Like the BNP but the nice type of nationalism that you're not allowed to criticize.
    I'm shocked that you feel that you're not allowed to criticise Scottish nationalism, but I salute your indefatigability in courageously criticising Scottish nationalism in every second post.
    Fight the power, Brisket.
    We have had some loonies on here but he takes the biscuit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    They may want to see their wife and kids.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    They may want to see their wife and kids.
    Then there is motivation to file for the correct documents, don't you think? That, or have them visit. These problems are not insurmountable.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    SNIP

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    They may want to see their wife and kids.
    Then there is motivation to file for the correct documents, don't you think? That, or have them visit. These problems are not insurmountable.
    They may decide it is too much hassle and just go work elsewhere and NHS will be in the crap. Given how dire Home Office is you can be sure the process will be long and tortuous.
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    RobD said:

    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    Family events and emergencies don’t exist in Leaver World.
    I agree some exceptions are needed for emergency situations. Events, less so.
    You’d tell them to miss their daughter’s wedding, say? Your heartlessness knows no limit.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    Family events and emergencies don’t exist in Leaver World.
    I agree some exceptions are needed for emergency situations. Events, less so.
    You’d tell them to miss their daughter’s wedding, say? Your heartlessness knows no limit.
    He is a Tory
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    Family events and emergencies don’t exist in Leaver World.
    I agree some exceptions are needed for emergency situations. Events, less so.
    You’d tell them to miss their daughter’s wedding, say? Your heartlessness knows no limit.
    How long in advance are weddings planned, and how long has the process for getting indefinite leave to remain been set up?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,490

    Foxy said:

    The title for Uninformed MP of the Week is always a hard fought contest, but this guy pips it:

    https://twitter.com/bbradleymp/status/1162623129895809024

    This microbiologist is worth reading on the subject:

    https://twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1162793812877631488?s=19
    More food poisoning cases for our abundantly resourced NHS to cope with.

    Sounds revolting. No thanks.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    To return home permenantly will, I suspect, be the main reason. Choosing between family and job is always a tough one.

    Most come here just for a couple of years. Returning early or going to work in one of the other EU27 countries with fewer hassles will be the choice.

    Though, of course, forcing the foreigners home is a feature not a bug of Brexit.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    btw won't EU nationals just be able to waltz in across the Irish border?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Worth recalling May wanted the residency stuff sorted out before negotiations even began. The EU leaders declined.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    They may want to see their wife and kids.
    Then there is motivation to file for the correct documents, don't you think? That, or have them visit. These problems are not insurmountable.
    Yes, I'm not seeing the outrage on thus front, theres a process in place.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:



    To return home permenantly will, I suspect, be the main reason. Choosing between family and job is always a tough one.

    Most come here just for a couple of years. Returning early or going to work in one of the other EU27 countries with fewer hassles will be the choice.

    Though, of course, forcing the foreigners home is a feature not a bug of Brexit.

    Weren't we talking about the situation where someone would be re-entering on a tourist visa. Why would they do that if they are returning home permanently?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    Dadge said:


    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    btw won't EU nationals just be able to waltz in across the Irish border?
    Of course...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733

    Worth recalling May wanted the residency stuff sorted out before negotiations even began. The EU leaders declined.

    It is part of the WA, but if that is defunct...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Dadge said:


    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    btw won't EU nationals just be able to waltz in across the Irish border?
    Yep, but proving a right to work might be difficult.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    SNIP

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    They may want to see their wife and kids.
    Then there is motivation to file for the correct documents, don't you think? That, or have them visit. These problems are not insurmountable.
    Yes, I'm not seeing the outrage on thus front, theres a process in place.
    Is it a working process or the usual flustercluck
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    edited August 2019
    Foxy said:

    Worth recalling May wanted the residency stuff sorted out before negotiations even began. The EU leaders declined.

    It is part of the WA, but if that is defunct...
    This was way before the WA:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/17/deal-citizens-rights-full-eu-theresa-may-brexit-referendum
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,733
    Yes Ndidi!!!!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    SNIP
    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    I suppose that they wouldn't. Or at least they wouldn't return.
    The logical course of action would be to sort out one's residency status before going on holiday.
    Those 2 million applications are going to mean that the Home Office will be swamped.

    And of course from 1 November they will be applying on the same basis as the non EU applicants, if PP has her way.
    Will they? I thought the article was referring to people who want to come to the UK after Oct 31st?
    How will that be identified? if a returning staff member is issued with a tourist visa, do I make him redundant on the day he is back?
    Again, why would a person whose residency status is up in the air voluntarily leave before it had been resolved?
    They may want to see their wife and kids.
    Then there is motivation to file for the correct documents, don't you think? That, or have them visit. These problems are not insurmountable.
    Yes, I'm not seeing the outrage on thus front, theres a process in place.
    Hopefully you don't need an operation while they are trying to get through the process
  • StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    RobD said:

    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Streeter said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Its not my priority and I'd be happy to not see controls reintroduced but given its more than 3 years now why on Earth is no replacement ready yet?

    May and Hammond truly have a lot to answer for.
    Does this mean visas for all non-Brits?
    work visas at least. It will be a problem when my EU colleagues go to visit family.

    Only 30% of the EU workers here have managed to get through the registration process.
    And why shouldn't EU workers get work visas?

    Or alternatively why should non-EU workers get work visas?
    The problem is that about 2 million EU citizens will need work visas issuing before Halloween, if this policy is enforced. I suspect that the Home Office will not be able to manage that.

    In the meantime what happens when one of my Greek doctors flies home in November to visit family? Will he only be readmitted on a tourist visa without entitlement to work?

    Bear in mind that only 30% ofthe EU residents here have been processed for leave to remain.

    Why would they visit family when they know their immigration status is up in the air?
    Family events and emergencies don’t exist in Leaver World.
    I agree some exceptions are needed for emergency situations. Events, less so.
    You’d tell them to miss their daughter’s wedding, say? Your heartlessness knows no limit.
    How long in advance are weddings planned, and how long has the process for getting indefinite leave to remain been set up?
    How long in advance are other types of family event planned? A funeral, say?
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