On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
I wish I had the luxury of taking a 16 day sailing holiday every time my job required me to be in new York...
So if environmental activists travel by plane, they are rank hypocrites, but if they travel in a low carbon manner, they are out of touch toffs?
I wonder how they would react if she had travelled in a wooden yacht?
Absolutely no reason for her to travel to give a talk. That’s what video links are for. I’ve been using video links for years to give talks to places as far away Australia, Singapore, Japan and HK, let alone NY.
And the amount of carbon involved in the manufacture of that yacht is probably not insignificant either.
It’s a silly publicity stunt. The best thing she could have done was not turn up but do the talk remotely. But it wouldn’t have made such a story would it, not when lots of people have been doing this for the last decade or more without getting public praise.
The publicity stunt is precisely the reason. Given we’d probably not have been talking about her otherwise, it appears to be quite effective.
In any case, if a remote video link was as effective as being there in person then nobody would ever travel to meetings.
My son, who travels an incredible amount on business selling to governmental and quasi governmental organisations can't see a time when he can do everything by Skype, FaceTime, or whatever. Sales conferences yes, but not face-to-face persuasion of the customer.
It’s been around the corner as a way to replace real meetings for over 30 years.
It's probably reasonably viable as a way to replace formal meetings. The problem is it doesn't replace small talk in the lift on the way to the meeting, the coffee breaks, the one on one private conversations, the post meeting clarifications ("I didn't quite understand what you were saying there/wasn't listening - can you run that past me again") etc etc
Face to Face has value, but when you add up the costs of the travel, time, disruption to schedule - and now Thunburg's point, environmental cost - it is a bit arbitrary in whether it really costs out in my experience. You get an intangible and potentially useful extra benefit for a lot of additional cost.
Pity this poor guy on ConHome who has apparently founded an internal Tory group "Liberal Conservatives" and has predictably ran into a whole batch of responses from people channelling their inner HY and telling him where to go. As well as, tbf, some support.
The trouble is it took you six paragraphs to explain Jezza's position and I'm still not quite convinced, or even clear about it. So even if you are right, this is a very hard sell. I can see why the LDs are saying PAH!
Corbyn needs to muscle up and say I will lead a six month government into a new vote! End!
But he won't. Because he doesn't want to.
It didn't take 6 paragraphs to explain Corbyn's position, it took six paragraphs to look at all the different ways he could ratfuck the other parties and see why all of them were blocked. 6 paragraphs is on the short side as ratfuckery-proofing goes, because the arts of political ratfuckery are numerous and elaborate.
That said, it's obviously going to be a hard sell for LDs, and even harder for VONC-curious Tories. A different caretaker might be better, but even if the Labour front bench will go for that, it's not clear whether they could take all their leave-supporting MPs with them.
The Lib Dems are interested in stopping Brexit –-- on condition that it is they who did so.
The absolutely last thing the LibDems want is for Labour to stop Brexit.
We're perfectly happy who stops Brexit. We insist only that Corbyn must be stopped as well.
Johnson and Corbyn are simply two sides of the same illiberal, intellectually lazy, economically catastrophic, antidemocratic coin. Stopping both is our priority: but one or t'other has to come first.
Personally, I'd been thinking that Caroline Lucas would make a good neutral leader till she showed herself just another airhead sexist the other day.
You can’t trust Corbyn and it would be lunacy to make him PM and there is no way even if the Lib Dems backed him that he would get a majority with confidence. It would be a one way street to an election with Johnson setting the date. It’s a cynical move by Corbyn to try and recover his remain inclined voters when the election does arrive.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
Sailing is statistically safer than golf.
Trump is probably more at risk in the next fortnight than Greta.
I clearly have this running a business lark all wrong...There's me trying tko make $5,200 per customer...
The Red Hot Chilli Peppers played at their company party.
And WeWork, by a large margin, is the largest customer of almost any new office development in the US or London.
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I wonder how those kind of businesses do in a downturn. Like, ummm, the one the world is entering now.
Theres?
Oh, it's much worse than that.
You see WeWork hasn't even taken on most of it's capacity yet. They have to almost double their revenues in the next three years just to fill the space they're signed up to.
And the new stuff they are renting is at higher prices than the old. And they lose money (shit tonnes of it) even before this comes on board.
Anyone who buys their shares at IPO is an idiot.
So they’re already spending 150% of current turnover, have a bunch of long leases with a whole load more coming down the line, an easily replicable business model, no real IP and short-term customers who have choices. Yet they reckon they’re worth $50bn? Right, I have some tulips to sell you if you’d like them?
I’ve worked for myself for the last five years and still don’t see who is attracted to these places. A combination of home office, Starbucks, hotel suites and meeting rooms, or for longer projects a six-month lease on a small office are all way cheaper than WeWork. As others have said, a lot of work these days is done internationally on Slack and Skype anyway, with the occasional meeting in one of the above locations.
My view is that such technology can work but only when you already have a good relationship with the client or your colleagues.
Human relationships are built in person, for fairly obvious reasons, sometimes you need to break bread together to really establish them, and you can’t shortcut that.
Indeed, PB is a perpetual virtual meeting, but the occasional meet up very welcome.
The best pb.com relationships I’ve built have been in person.
Corbyn cannot guarantee support from his own mps let alone the HOC.
The lib dems have rejected his proposal outright and Heseltine has just said that there are other options that do not include Corbyn
He seems to have a chance with the SNP but that plays perfectly into any GE campaign
MPs need to coalesce around Stephen Kinnocks pledge to support the WDA if it is brought back. It is the best way to move forward by a distance but how it comes about I do not know
You can’t trust Corbyn and it would be lunacy to make him PM and there is no way even if the Lib Dems backed him that he would get a majority with confidence. It would be a one way street to an election with Johnson setting the date. It’s a cynical move by Corbyn to try and recover his remain inclined voters when the election does arrive.
You don't have to trust him, all he has to do is ask for an extension and call a GE, and if he doesn't call the GE you can take him down in a VONC.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
So you are saying that it is a recycled boat too... 😎
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
Sailing is statistically safer than golf.
Trump is probably more at risk in the next fortnight than Greta.
Ocean sailing, as opposed to a trip around the local lake?
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
But she is expert at getting publicity for her cause, having gone from Swedish schoolgirl to global icon for a movement.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
Will you be cycling to Hungary next year
I’m well aware I have more to do in this area. Making people like me think about this more is rather the point, yes?
They don’t want you to ‘think’. Anyone who has interacted with extinction rebellion will know the kind of people they are. They don’t just want to make their own decisions they want to make your decisions for you also, and they have religious anti science fervour on their side.
I’d imagine almost all people want a clean environment and a stable climate. They will do practical things to help too, like give up single use plastics, where there are reasonable alternatives.
What they won’t tolerate is being told they can’t have children, go on holiday or eat meat, patronised or condescended or be otherwise obstructed in going about their daily lives. This fractures any broad political basis for action and polarises the debate.
As has often been the case in the past the radical environmentalists are their own worst enemy.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
Yes, I am doing it the week after next on a big ship, which takes seven days and so probably arrives around the same time, but with rather more pissing options.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
On the TV yesterday they showed it. It literally was a bucket on a rope, although it did have 'poo only' written on!
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
Yes, I am doing it the week after next on a big ship, which takes seven days and so probably arrives around the same time, but with rather more pissing options.
Which one?
The New York Ferry, aka QM2. It's the only one that'll take the dog.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
Correct - the facilities consist of a blue bucket on a bit of the deck partly obscured by a piece of sailcloth. That is it.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
Yes, I am doing it the week after next on a big ship, which takes seven days and so probably arrives around the same time, but with rather more pissing options.
Which one?
The New York Ferry, aka QM2. It's the only one that'll take the dog.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
But she is expert at getting publicity for her cause, having gone from Swedish schoolgirl to global icon for a movement.
Certainly, but also a chance of a serious amount of negative publicity if there’s any problems.
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
On the subject of Greta Thunberg sailing to america. It would be interesing counterfactually, to see who would be complaining that she is a hippocrite had she flown to America and whether they would be the same critics at the moment saying that sailing is just gesture politics.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to sail across the Atlantic when I was sixteen, so good luck to her.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
Sailing is statistically safer than golf.
Trump is probably more at risk in the next fortnight than Greta.
Ocean sailing, as opposed to a trip around the local lake?
Overall...
I suspect an ocean racing yacht is slightly more risky than me in my Laser on Rutland water, but statistically sailing deaths are very rare.
You can’t trust Corbyn and it would be lunacy to make him PM and there is no way even if the Lib Dems backed him that he would get a majority with confidence. It would be a one way street to an election with Johnson setting the date. It’s a cynical move by Corbyn to try and recover his remain inclined voters when the election does arrive.
You don't have to trust him, all he has to do is ask for an extension and call a GE, and if he doesn't call the GE you can take him down in a VONC.
In the current situation, calling a GE is not exactly a sure fire way to avoiding a no deal Brexit. Indeed, until the nonsense about an election "on November 1st" raised it's head, there was an assumption that Johnson was seeking to trigger/be forced into an election anyway. Which is why they want an extension and a referendum, as a better alternative.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
But she is expert at getting publicity for her cause, having gone from Swedish schoolgirl to global icon for a movement.
Certainly, but also a chance of a serious amount of negative publicity if there’s any problems.
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
She's not sailing the boat herself - there are two experienced skippers as well as a documentary maker (the publicity from which will doubtless more than justify the trip and its cost). On your argument you'd ban transatlantic sailing altogether.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
Yes, I am doing it the week after next on a big ship, which takes seven days and so probably arrives around the same time, but with rather more pissing options.
QM2? Have a wonderful time!
I've done it several times and its great fun!
"Nothing to do, and not enough time to do it in!"
Six hours daily in the kennels will take up a chunk of the time!
On the subject of Greta Thunberg sailing to america. It would be interesing counterfactually, to see who would be complaining that she is a hippocrite had she flown to America and whether they would be the same critics at the moment saying that sailing is just gesture politics.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to sail across the Atlantic when I was sixteen, so good luck to her.
The best thing she could possibly have done, is to have appeared via video link and berated all those who attended in person, making them pledge to do the next conference virtually.
The next best is probably to fly scheduled economy on a standby ticket, taking a seat that would otherwise have been empty.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
Most people don’t take long-haul flights in our daily lives though. Probably a good few of us take one every 2-3 years which isn’t unreasonable.
Those that do (big business and the global super rich) don’t think such restrictions should apply to them.
This particular zeitgeist was let out a very long time ago, the whole world economy depends on such movement and no-one is going to put global air travel back in its box, so the only credible solution is to decarbonise such transport with renewable fuels.
I'm keeping quiet - tomorrow will be my 65th and 66th flights of the year and I have another 6 booked for this year.
And there is a possibility I will be working again in Europe which will add another 40 flights to the list
Yet it's easier for me to do this then travel around the UK..
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
Sailing is statistically safer than golf.
Trump is probably more at risk in the next fortnight than Greta.
Ocean sailing, as opposed to a trip around the local lake?
Overall...
I suspect an ocean racing yacht is slightly more risky than me in my Laser on Rutland water, but statistically sailing deaths are very rare.
and flying a light aircraft is less likely to kill you than riding a horse. It seems the more dangerous activities are mostly on dry land.
On the subject of Greta Thunberg sailing to america. It would be interesing counterfactually, to see who would be complaining that she is a hippocrite had she flown to America and whether they would be the same critics at the moment saying that sailing is just gesture politics.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to sail across the Atlantic when I was sixteen, so good luck to her.
The best thing she could possibly have done, is to have appeared via video link and berated all those who attended in person, making them pledge to do the next conference virtually.
The next best is probably to fly scheduled economy on a standby ticket, taking a seat that would otherwise have been empty.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
I have a question. Assume Mr Johnson has just lost a VoNC, and there is 14 days to find an alternative PM. How exactly does a group of 322 MPs make it clear to the Queen that they will support X as PM? In a scenario where today X cannot get enough support, then tomorrow Y tries but fails and then Z tries and fails and so eventualy X gets enough support after all, how can this be confirmed?
Does the HoC hold a vote every day? If so what type of motion - "Ammendment to safety of childrens toys act: this house has the confidence in X as prime minister"? If the government controls the HoC timetable, will it be possible to have such votes in the house? Will X have to collect 322 signatures and submit them to the Palace? or submit them to No 10?
...
The closest to a precedent is 2010, where a formal statement by Cameron and Clegg (those representing a majority of MPs) indicated to Brown that they had a majority and he needed to resign as PM.
The FTPA controls the wording quite specifically on a motion of confidence, and with the government in charge of the timetable it’s going to be difficult to hold indicative votes in Parliament - although I’m sure the Speaker would consider a motion f one were suggested to him.
The sitting PM is not going to resign until it’s clear that a majority of MPs support a named someone else for PM. The real danger is that they win their VoC but can’t find an acceptable alternative, and have to vote in favour of Johnson again to avoid an election campaign straddling the Brexit date - which is a really stupid idea due to purdah, cobra and any emergency legislation needed in the immediate aftermath.
One thing I haven’t seen discussed yet, is calling for Parliament to be recalled to debate a vote of confidence - or more specifically, to buy more Parliamentary time before the Brexit date. A LotO determined to stop Brexit would have called a VoC on the last day of term in July, and would be calling every week for a recall to debate the same. Maybe MPs just like their long holidays more than they want to stop Brexit?
There is consideration of voting down the suspension for the party conferences.
Today's Google doodle features Louisa Aldrich-Blake, whose Wikipedia page which includes this awkwardly-written sentence: Her position as consulting surgeon started in 1919 and ended when she died in 1925 at the Royal Free Hospital as well as the Canning Town Women's Settlement Hospital, 1897-1920. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisa_Aldrich-Blake
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
But she is expert at getting publicity for her cause, having gone from Swedish schoolgirl to global icon for a movement.
Certainly, but also a chance of a serious amount of negative publicity if there’s any problems.
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
She's not sailing the boat herself - there are two experienced skippers as well as a documentary maker (the publicity from which will doubtless more than justify the trip and its cost). On your argument you'd ban transatlantic sailing altogether.
I’m not the sort to want things banned at all, I’m just saying that high stakes virtue signalling has a reasonable chance of failure - and one big orange man in particular would take huge delight in it.
I think she’s incredibly naïve about what her voyage entails, physically and mentally.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
But she is expert at getting publicity for her cause, having gone from Swedish schoolgirl to global icon for a movement.
Certainly, but also a chance of a serious amount of negative publicity if there’s any problems.
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
Wow.
Most people on this forum including me just post ther opinions on a web forum. Some also spend a bit of time knocking on resident's doors to get their message across. Thunberg at a very young age has enthused millions of teenagers and young adults to become engaged in a campaing which in terms of the end point most people agree with, i.e. reducing the amount of CO2, CH4 etc in the atmosphere.
And now she is being criticised for taking a small risk in sailing accross the Atlantic. I'm pretty sure that ________ (Insert your favourite activist, left or right) undertook much greater risks than Ms Thunberg.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
But she is expert at getting publicity for her cause, having gone from Swedish schoolgirl to global icon for a movement.
Certainly, but also a chance of a serious amount of negative publicity if there’s any problems.
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
She's not sailing the boat herself - there are two experienced skippers as well as a documentary maker (the publicity from which will doubtless more than justify the trip and its cost). On your argument you'd ban transatlantic sailing altogether.
I’m not the sort to want things banned at all, I’m just saying that high stakes virtue signalling has a reasonable chance of failure - and one big orange man in particular would take huge delight in it.
I think she’s incredibly naïve about what her voyage entails, physically and mentally.
In that sad eventuality she would become a martyr for her generation.
If you're going to stop anything it should be the nutters who try to row across in a biscuit tin and the like; when those sort of stunts go wrong the rescue cost is considerable.
Not at all, it actually has SCons on 23%, only 6% down on 2017 and still 8% up on their lowpoint of 2015, SLab meanwhile has plunged to just 14%, 13% down on 2017 and 10% down on 2015 so for Labour you are correct if not the Tories.
SNP still only up to 40%, still only 3% up on 2017 and 10% down from its 2015 peak
You love quoting the seat counts from that recent YouGov subsample. Why no seat counts this time out?
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of .
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
This is an off shore racing yacht, not a caravan with sails, it has no head, presumably as that weakens the hull.
If they’re genuinely making the crossing without support, there’s going to be some very scary and lonely times during their trip. It’s a big ocean, with big ocean weather, and in the middle it could take 24 hours or more to get a response to a distress call.
Sailing is statistically safer than golf.
Trump is probably more at risk in the next fortnight than Greta.
Ocean sailing, as opposed to a trip around the local lake?
Overall...
I suspect an ocean racing yacht is slightly more risky than me in my Laser on Rutland water, but statistically sailing deaths are very rare.
and flying a light aircraft is less likely to kill you than riding a horse. It seems the more dangerous activities are mostly on dry land.
I'm sure that riding a horse across the channel is much riskier than riding one on dry land :-)
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
Completely irrelevant but my dad was the navigating officer on QM 1 last journey to Long Beach
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
Yes, I am doing it the week after next on a big ship, which takes seven days and so probably arrives around the same time, but with rather more pissing options.
QM2? Have a wonderful time!
I've done it several times and its great fun!
"Nothing to do, and not enough time to do it in!"
Six hours daily in the kennels will take up a chunk of the time!
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
I did not know that. Sapphire Princess does the crossing to Nova Scotia in 5 days and I am fairly sure the original transatlantic crossings were about 5 days.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
Completely irrelevant but my dad was the navigating officer on QM 1 last journey to Long Beach
Corbyn cannot guarantee support from his own mps let alone the HOC.
The lib dems have rejected his proposal outright and Heseltine has just said that there are other options that do not include Corbyn
He seems to have a chance with the SNP but that plays perfectly into any GE campaign
MPs need to coalesce around Stephen Kinnocks pledge to support the WDA if it is brought back. It is the best way to move forward by a distance but how it comes about I do not know
The trouble is, anything which doesn’t have Corbyn’s support won’t get the 90+% of Labour MPs that it’ll need to win a Commons majority.
I’m no fan of his, but unless the entire PLP except Kate Hoey is about to rebel, in unity, on the same day and motion (indeed, several motions and a law or two) as Angus Robertson, Dominic Grieve and Anna Soubry, Bozza will be getting his No Deal.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
I did not know that. Sapphire Princess does the crossing to Nova Scotia in 5 days and I am fairly sure the original transatlantic crossings were about 5 days.
Anyway, have a fabulous voyage
QE2 used to go from Southampton to NY in less than 5 days, 50 years ago.
(She’s now a floating hotel in the sandpit, I was on board a couple of weeks ago).
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. I It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
I would love to sail across the Arlantic in a sailing boat but then I have lived my life in love with the sea and ships. It is another matter for a 16 year old with no experience of being at sea.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
I did not know that. Sapphire Princess does the crossing to Nova Scotia in 5 days and I am fairly sure the original transatlantic crossings were about 5 days.
Anyway, have a fabulous voyage
Checking WP, the record in either direction is about three and a half days - currently held by the SS United States set in 1952. But that's from the lightship off New York to the Isles of Scilly; extending to Southampton must make it around four days. The QM1 did the shorter distance in four days in the 1930s.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
I went on a small boat the other day for a bit of whale watching. It was meagre by any standards but had a fully functioning toilet.
A yacht owned by a royal family will not have a pissing bucket.
It's an Open 60 class Vendée Globe boat. It will be fucking grim - a high tech spartan S&M dungeon in the middle of the Atlantic.
I have crossed the Atlantic at this time of year in a cruise ship and believe me a small sailing boat would be horrendous, even for experienced sailors. Indeed many years ago I went to sea on a Scottish seine net fishing boat heading into the North Sea towards the coast of Norway when the seas became enormous so much that we had to head towards Wick to be safe.It was some experience over the four days but to be fair, I did enjoy it, but have always been a good sailor.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
It's almost as if using sailing boats to cross the Atlantic is an outdated and stupid idea in the modern age.
Which is a metaphor for pretty much everything that would result from trying to decarbonise our economy and society before we have the technology in place.
The annoying thing about the QM2 - which is faster than any cruise ship - is that they deliberately slow it down to a seven day crossing to make it more of a trip. I believe the crossing was faster on the QM1.
And the QE2. In the glory days of the Atlantic Ferry you sailed Wednesday evening - arrive NY Monday morning - "the long weekend" - 5 nights to cross. In fact 'seven night' crossings takes you back to the Victorian era.
The QE2 was slowed to 6 nights because her hull could no longer take the hammering a 5 night crossing meted out (although she lasted very much longer than most express liners which are usually knackered by their mid-twenties, and has sailed further than anything, ever).
Technically the QM2 is capable of a 5 night crossing - but they'd have to light up the two gas turbines that cost a lot more to run than the big diesels so she happily chugs across on seven (sometimes 8) nights. I guess the accountants did the maths and realised that passenger spending doesn't drop off towards the end of the crossing, so keeping them onboard for another night not only saves fuel but will make money in the bars etc.
That's where the Miami Caribbean 3 & 4 night cruises came from - accountants spotted that on 7 night cruises bar takings dropped after 3 or 4 nights - so rather than keep em onboard for 7 nights, return to port after 3 or 4 nights, chuck em off and get another lot on for 4 or 3 nights.....
but would make it a nine-ten day crossing, which is optimistic, especially going west. Friday is however the UN Climate conference day, and she is due to speak.
It looks as if Greta will sail into NY next Friday give or take - so a couple of days before I depart.
Imagine the welcome she is going to get sailing into NY Harbour. The publicity from that alone will justify the trip.
It works as a stunt, but it also proves how impractial it is for 'the ordinary person'.
How many millions fly the atlantic yearly?
Indeed. The only realistic alternative to long distance air travel is not to travel at all.
Edit. How many flights are really necessary? I would say you could easily get rid of three quarters of them with a mindset change. It's a bit like recycling rather than putting everything into landfill. It's not a complete solution, but it helps.
Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said...
Really, if the plan is just to ask for an extension and then immediately have an election, does it really matter much who the prime minister is?
Yup, exactly. In practical terms it doesn't matter. There's just an emotional problem (lifelong Tories voting for Corbyn PM) and a political problem (LDs seen to back Corbyn lose ex-Tories).
And a moral problem in putting a man who has commemorated Jew-killers in charge of almost a million British Jews.
Are you sure? I thought we were down to our last two hundred thousand.
300 thousand when I looked it up. I must have been misled.
Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said...
Even people who always normally eschew conspiracy theories don’t think Epstein simply topped himself. There’s way too many holes in the story, and an awful lot of people who wanted him dead and had the means to make it happen - even in jail.
Checking WP, the record in either direction is about three and a half days - currently held by the SS United States set in 1952. But that's from the lightship off New York to the Isles of Scilly; extending to Southampton must make it around four days. The QM1 did the shorter distance in four days in the 1930s.
Yes - they kept moving the start and end points further and further out into the ocean to reduce the "time taken". In any case steam turbines cant just be rammed up to top revs from a cold start - it takes time to build up to top speed, so the liners could be going top speed once they passed Bishop's Rock. The United States was indeed capable of being a "4 night" boat - but I think usually took 5 as did the Queens. Extra speed is ruinously expensive as fuel consumed increases exponentially (I think its a cube relationship)
Not at all, it actually has SCons on 23%, only 6% down on 2017 and still 8% up on their lowpoint of 2015, SLab meanwhile has plunged to just 14%, 13% down on 2017 and 10% down on 2015 so for Labour you are correct if not the Tories.
SNP still only up to 40%, still only 3% up on 2017 and 10% down from its 2015 peak
You love quoting the seat counts from that recent YouGov subsample. Why no seat counts this time out?
Alright then, Tories hold at least 5 Scottish seats on the above Survation poll and would hold 8 if they got a 1% swing back from the SNP.
but would make it a nine-ten day crossing, which is optimistic, especially going west. Friday is however the UN Climate conference day, and she is due to speak.
It would be ironic if she was still at sea when she should be at the UN
On another note I booked a guided tour of the UN on the 26th September when we arrive in New York only for it to be cancelled due to the UN holding closed sessions during the month. It is the second time we have been unable to visit the UN
I clearly have this running a business lark all wrong...There's me trying tko make $5,200 per customer...
The Red Hot Chilli Peppers played at their company party.
And WeWork, by a large margin, is the largest customer of almost any new office development in the US or London.
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I wonder how those kind of businesses do in a downturn. Like, ummm, the one the world is entering now.
Theres?
Oh, it's much worse than that.
You see WeWork hasn't even taken on most of it's capacity yet. They have to almost double their revenues in the next three years just to fill the space they're signed up to.
And the new stuff they are renting is at higher prices than the old. And they lose money (shit tonnes of it) even before this comes on board.
Anyone who buys their shares at IPO is an idiot.
So they’re already spending 150% of current turnover, have a bunch of long leases with a whole load more coming down the line, an easily replicable business model, no real IP and short-term customers who have choices. Yet they reckon they’re worth $50bn? Right, I have some tulips to sell you if you’d like them?
I’ve worked for myself for the last five years and still don’t see who is attracted to these places. A combination of home office, Starbucks, hotel suites and meeting rooms, or for longer projects a six-month lease on a small office are all way cheaper than WeWork. As others have said, a lot of work these days is done internationally on Slack and Skype anyway, with the occasional meeting in one of the above locations.
My view is that such technology can work but only when you already have a good relationship with the client or your colleagues.
Human relationships are built in person, for fairly obvious reasons, sometimes you need to break bread together to really establish them, and you can’t shortcut that.
Indeed, PB is a perpetual virtual meeting, but the occasional meet up very welcome.
The best pb.com relationships I’ve built have been in person.
Agreed. Since Fat Steve moved away we have had no one to do the work of putting an event together
On the subject of Greta Thunberg sailing to america. It would be interesing counterfactually, to see who would be complaining that she is a hippocrite had she flown to America and whether they would be the same critics at the moment saying that sailing is just gesture politics.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to sail across the Atlantic when I was sixteen, so good luck to her.
The best thing she could possibly have done, is to have appeared via video link and berated all those who attended in person, making them pledge to do the next conference virtually.
The next best is probably to fly scheduled economy on a standby ticket, taking a seat that would otherwise have been empty.
Checking WP, the record in either direction is about three and a half days - currently held by the SS United States set in 1952. But that's from the lightship off New York to the Isles of Scilly; extending to Southampton must make it around four days. The QM1 did the shorter distance in four days in the 1930s.
Yes - they kept moving the start and end points further and further out into the ocean to reduce the "time taken". In any case steam turbines cant just be rammed up to top revs from a cold start - it takes time to build up to top speed, so the liners could be going top speed once they passed Bishop's Rock. The United States was indeed capable of being a "4 night" boat - but I think usually took 5 as did the Queens. Extra speed is ruinously expensive as fuel consumed increases exponentially (I think its a cube relationship)
For Big_G's cruise where the leg with the destinations is the thing, they must consider the extra cost worthwhile, I guess.
In the current situation, calling a GE is not exactly a sure fire way to avoiding a no deal Brexit. Indeed, until the nonsense about an election "on November 1st" raised it's head, there was an assumption that Johnson was seeking to trigger/be forced into an election anyway. Which is why they want an extension and a referendum, as a better alternative.
There is no sure fire way but you don't have the votes for a referendum without first having a GE.
but would make it a nine-ten day crossing, which is optimistic, especially going west. Friday is however the UN Climate conference day, and she is due to speak.
It would be ironic if she was still at sea when she should be at the UN
On another note I booked a guided tour of the UN on the 26th September when we arrive in New York only for it to be cancelled due to the UN holding closed sessions during the month. It is the second time we have been unable to visit the UN
I went about 20 years ago and it is very interesting if you get the chance again.
As for Greta kudos for doing it but the reality is the vast majority of us will not be able to cross the Atlantic in yachts even if we wanted to, far better to push more renewable and nuclear energy than worry too much about flying
On climate change I always ask am I doing my bit, and arrive at the conclusion that yes, yes I am.
Serious question: in what ways?
I haven't flown for leisure since 2016 (I've been to mainland Europe since by train and boat/car) but I have had business flights and I would fly for leisure if I wanted to get somewhere that wasn't viable otherwise. I drive to work, but train is a (longer, but plausible) option or even cycling, though I'd have to build up to that. I do work at home 2-3 days per week which helps too. I don't eat much meat, but am occasionally shocked when I look at the source of some fruit or veg (if I notice while in the supermarket I'll pick closer options, but I don't check religiously). There's more I could do.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
The worst case of seasickness I have ever seen was a young female MoD civvie on a T23 in the North Sea. Eventually her vomit soaked and insensible form had to be medevaced off even though the ship was out of limits for aviation (sea state 7-8) in a very brave operation by the Lynx crew. When she regained consciousness in hospital and realised she was in Sunderland she asked to be flown back to the ship.
Sapphire Princess does the crossing to Nova Scotia in 5 days and I am fairly sure the original transatlantic crossings were about 5 days.
St Johns is ±600 nautical miles ±700 miles nearer than New York - I've crossed on a half-sister of Sapphire - Golden - and its great fun too - but I wouldn't want to be on her in bad weather (which you shouldn't get at this time of year - fog more likely!)
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
It would be the USCG and they never bill anyone. They won't make any attempt to save the boat though, just get the people off.
Some littoral SAR operations funded by the individual states can and do aggressively pursue costs from those rescued.
Sure the USN and USCG don’t send bills to anyone they rescue, but it wouldn’t stop a big orange man from bringing a giant invoice onto the stage at the conference though, would it?
Sapphire Princess does the crossing to Nova Scotia in 5 days and I am fairly sure the original transatlantic crossings were about 5 days.
St Johns is ±600 nautical miles ±700 miles nearer than New York - I've crossed on a half-sister of Sapphire - Golden - and its great fun too - but I wouldn't want to be on her in bad weather (which you shouldn't get at this time of year - fog more likely!)
I have been in all kinds of seas on many different ships and have no problem with the state of the seas
Sapphire Princess does the crossing to Nova Scotia in 5 days and I am fairly sure the original transatlantic crossings were about 5 days.
St Johns is ±600 nautical miles ±700 miles nearer than New York - I've crossed on a half-sister of Sapphire - Golden - and its great fun too - but I wouldn't want to be on her in bad weather (which you shouldn't get at this time of year - fog more likely!)
I have been in all kinds of seas on many different ships and have no problem with the state of the seas
Just your being on board makes the ship more stable?
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
Will you be cycling to Hungary next year
I’m well aware I have more to do in this area. Making people like me think about this more is rather the point, yes?
And do you really think no-one has thought about this until Greta turned up? I have been using trains to travel around Europe with my children for years. I am working from home today and tomorrow and have regular video calls with the people on the project I am working on in every continent: Mexico one day, China the next. The place in the Lake District I go to has a train station in the village so the train is regularly used to get up there.
Good for Greta to get involved. But this stunt is about her. Had she done her talk remotely it would have reminded people of a practical way forward. Instead, as someone who has done a lot of day-to-day green measures in my life for years, it irritates beyond measure to see people like her, Harry etc use the “green” excuse for a lot of lovely jollies and self-publicity.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
Will you be cycling to Hungary next year
I’m well aware I have more to do in this area. Making people like me think about this more is rather the point, yes?
And do you really think no-one has thought about this until Greta turned up? I have been using trains to travel around Europe with my children for years. I am working from home today and tomorrow and have regular video calls with the people on the project I am working on in every continent: Mexico one day, China the next. The place in the Lake District I go to has a train station in the village so the train is regularly used to get up there.
Good for Greta to get involved. But this stunt is about her. Had she done her talk remotely it would have reminded people of a practical way forward. Instead, as someone who has done a lot of day-to-day green measures in my life for years, it irritates beyond measure to see people like her, Harry etc use the “green” excuse for a lot of lovely jollies and self-publicity.
Surprised to read this. You are uncharacteristically out of step on this.
Greta is an icon to the younger generation, and flygskam (flight shame) is coming to a young person near you.
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
The worst case of seasickness I have ever seen was a young female MoD civvie on a T23 in the North Sea. Eventually her vomit soaked and insensible form had to be medevaced off even though the ship was out of limits for aviation (sea state 7-8) in a very brave operation by the Lynx crew. When she regained consciousness in hospital and realised she was in Sunderland she asked to be flown back to the ship.
Nothing wrong with being in Sunderland. Had some very good times there. Met my wife there.
On Greta Thunberg, that yacht journey won’t be pleasant. There’s no room. No proper nice food and (literally) just a pot to piss in.
She’ll also get unpleasantly sea sick at times, and very bored. Particularly since conversing with the crew won’t exactly be her forte. It’ll be a long two weeks.
I have a modicum of respect for her doing it as a result, which isn’t just virtue-signalling as it’s going to cost her something unlike the rather loathsome Emma Thompson, but is hardly a practical solution to intercontinental travel.
That needs to focus on renewable/low carbon energy for ships and planes and, if I were going to wave the flag, I’d focus on those rather than show I’m willing to wear the hairiest shirt in town.
She’s getting attention for her cause and she’s making us think about the implications of it for an under-considered aspect of daily life. Good on her.
Will you be cycling to Hungary next year
I’m well aware I have more to do in this area. Making people like me think about this more is rather the point, yes?
And do you really think no-one has thought about this until Greta turned up? I have been using trains to travel around Europe with my children for years. I am working from home today and tomorrow and have regular video calls with the people on the project I am working on in every continent: Mexico one day, China the next. The place in the Lake District I go to has a train station in the village so the train is regularly used to get up there.
Good for Greta to get involved. But this stunt is about her. Had she done her talk remotely it would have reminded people of a practical way forward. Instead, as someone who has done a lot of day-to-day green measures in my life for years, it irritates beyond measure to see people like her, Harry etc use the “green” excuse for a lot of lovely jollies and self-publicity.
Surprised to read this. You are uncharacteristically out of step on this.
Greta is an icon to the younger generation, and flygskam (flight shame) is coming to a young person near you.
Seems like the problem is driven predominantly by those aged 35+... I wonder whether some of those upset at her publicity stunt/awareness raising campaign have guilty consciences...
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https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/08/asher-glynn-one-nation-conservatives-should-stay-and-fight-for-our-party.html
Johnson and Corbyn are simply two sides of the same illiberal, intellectually lazy, economically catastrophic, antidemocratic coin. Stopping both is our priority: but one or t'other has to come first.
Personally, I'd been thinking that Caroline Lucas would make a good neutral leader till she showed herself just another airhead sexist the other day.
Trump is probably more at risk in the next fortnight than Greta.
The lib dems have rejected his proposal outright and Heseltine has just said that there are other options that do not include Corbyn
He seems to have a chance with the SNP but that plays perfectly into any GE campaign
MPs need to coalesce around Stephen Kinnocks pledge to support the WDA if it is brought back. It is the best way to move forward by a distance but how it comes about I do not know
https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/rename-fifth-avenue-in/?source=search
What they won’t tolerate is being told they can’t have children, go on holiday or eat meat, patronised or condescended or be otherwise obstructed in going about their daily lives. This fractures any broad political basis for action and polarises the debate.
As has often been the case in the past the radical environmentalists are their own worst enemy.
I've done it several times and its great fun!
"Nothing to do, and not enough time to do it in!"
I want to do that trip myself.
I’m sure Trump would be delighted to present her with a large bill if the US Navy has to fish her out of the drink.
On the subject of Greta Thunberg sailing to america. It would be interesing counterfactually, to see who would be complaining that she is a hippocrite had she flown to America and whether they would be the same critics at the moment saying that sailing is just gesture politics.
I would have loved to have the opportunity to sail across the Atlantic when I was sixteen, so good luck to her.
I suspect an ocean racing yacht is slightly more risky than me in my Laser on Rutland water, but statistically sailing deaths are very rare.
If Parliament voted for it, would Johnson have to accept it, backstop and all ?
The next best is probably to fly scheduled economy on a standby ticket, taking a seat that would otherwise have been empty.
And there is a possibility I will be working again in Europe which will add another 40 flights to the list
Yet it's easier for me to do this then travel around the UK..
It is inconceivable that a 16 year old with no sailing experience will not only be seasick but probably very scared. Mind you they have an on board engine if all else fails
Today's Google doodle features Louisa Aldrich-Blake, whose Wikipedia page which includes this awkwardly-written sentence:
Her position as consulting surgeon started in 1919 and ended when she died in 1925 at the Royal Free Hospital as well as the Canning Town Women's Settlement Hospital, 1897-1920.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisa_Aldrich-Blake
I think she’s incredibly naïve about what her voyage entails, physically and mentally.
Most people on this forum including me just post ther opinions on a web forum. Some also spend a bit of time knocking on resident's doors to get their message across. Thunberg at a very young age has enthused millions of teenagers and young adults to become engaged in a campaing which in terms of the end point most people agree with, i.e. reducing the amount of CO2, CH4 etc in the atmosphere.
And now she is being criticised for taking a small risk in sailing accross the Atlantic. I'm pretty sure that ________ (Insert your favourite activist, left or right) undertook much greater risks than Ms Thunberg.
If you're going to stop anything it should be the nutters who try to row across in a biscuit tin and the like; when those sort of stunts go wrong the rescue cost is considerable.
Indeed 4 weeks on Saturday my wife and I embark on a cruise ship in Southampton on a return cruise to Nova Scotia, New England and New York. The transantlantic crossing takes 5 days each way, while the sailing boat is scheduled to take 14 days
Imagine the welcome she is going to get sailing into NY Harbour. The publicity from that alone will justify the trip.
Anyway, have a fabulous voyage
How many millions fly the atlantic yearly?
I’m no fan of his, but unless the entire PLP except Kate Hoey is about to rebel, in unity, on the same day and motion (indeed, several motions and a law or two) as Angus Robertson, Dominic Grieve and Anna Soubry, Bozza will be getting his No Deal.
(She’s now a floating hotel in the sandpit, I was on board a couple of weeks ago).
How many of those flying in a day have 2 weeks to piss about on the water? 4 weeks for a round trip?
The QE2 was slowed to 6 nights because her hull could no longer take the hammering a 5 night crossing meted out (although she lasted very much longer than most express liners which are usually knackered by their mid-twenties, and has sailed further than anything, ever).
Technically the QM2 is capable of a 5 night crossing - but they'd have to light up the two gas turbines that cost a lot more to run than the big diesels so she happily chugs across on seven (sometimes 8) nights. I guess the accountants did the maths and realised that passenger spending doesn't drop off towards the end of the crossing, so keeping them onboard for another night not only saves fuel but will make money in the bars etc.
That's where the Miami Caribbean 3 & 4 night cruises came from - accountants spotted that on 7 night cruises bar takings dropped after 3 or 4 nights - so rather than keep em onboard for 7 nights, return to port after 3 or 4 nights, chuck em off and get another lot on for 4 or 3 nights.....
https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/14/greta-thunberg-sets-sail-us-climate-conference-carbon-neutral-yacht-10572732/
but would make it a nine-ten day crossing, which is optimistic, especially going west. Friday is however the UN Climate conference day, and she is due to speak.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/autopsy-finds-broken-bones-in-jeffrey-epsteins-neck-deepening-questions-around-his-death/2019/08/14/d09ac934-bdd9-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html
An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.
Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said...
Slab lose every seat bar Edinburgh South
On another note I booked a guided tour of the UN on the 26th September when we arrive in New York only for it to be cancelled due to the UN holding closed sessions during the month. It is the second time we have been unable to visit the UN
Some littoral SAR operations funded by the individual states can and do aggressively pursue costs from those rescued.
As for Greta kudos for doing it but the reality is the vast majority of us will not be able to cross the Atlantic in yachts even if we wanted to, far better to push more renewable and nuclear energy than worry too much about flying
I haven't flown for leisure since 2016 (I've been to mainland Europe since by train and boat/car) but I have had business flights and I would fly for leisure if I wanted to get somewhere that wasn't viable otherwise. I drive to work, but train is a (longer, but plausible) option or even cycling, though I'd have to build up to that. I do work at home 2-3 days per week which helps too. I don't eat much meat, but am occasionally shocked when I look at the source of some fruit or veg (if I notice while in the supermarket I'll pick closer options, but I don't check religiously). There's more I could do.
Good for Greta to get involved. But this stunt is about her. Had she done her talk remotely it would have reminded people of a practical way forward. Instead, as someone who has done a lot of day-to-day green measures in my life for years, it irritates beyond measure to see people like her, Harry etc use the “green” excuse for a lot of lovely jollies and self-publicity.
You are uncharacteristically out of step on this.
Greta is an icon to the younger generation, and flygskam (flight shame) is coming to a young person near you.
https://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/if-you-act-your-age-whats-your-carbon-footprint/
Seems like the problem is driven predominantly by those aged 35+... I wonder whether some of those upset at her publicity stunt/awareness raising campaign have guilty consciences...