wtf? No wonder working class tories are flocking to UKIP!
Its posh for 'increased ice cream sales lead to more wearing of bikinis'...
Talking about bikinis.
Bikinis are a lot like statistics, what they reveal, that's interesting, what they hide, that's much more fascinating
Here endeth my Swiss Toni impression.
My grandpa occasionally used the phrase 'a politician's speech should be like a young lady's skirt: short enough to be interesting, but long enough to cover the important bits"
That's the approach I used when writing my letters and PB threads.
wtf? No wonder working class tories are flocking to UKIP!
Its posh for 'increased ice cream sales lead to more wearing of bikinis'...
Talking about bikinis.
Bikinis are a lot like statistics, what they reveal, that's interesting, what they hide, that's much more fascinating
Here endeth my Swiss Toni impression.
My grandpa occasionally used the phrase 'a politician's speech should be like a young lady's skirt: short enough to be interesting, but long enough to cover the important bits"
That's the approach I used when writing my letters and PB threads.
You write on here thinking about young ladies' skirts?
wtf? No wonder working class tories are flocking to UKIP!
Its posh for 'increased ice cream sales lead to more wearing of bikinis'...
Talking about bikinis.
Bikinis are a lot like statistics, what they reveal, that's interesting, what they hide, that's much more fascinating
Here endeth my Swiss Toni impression.
My grandpa occasionally used the phrase 'a politician's speech should be like a young lady's skirt: short enough to be interesting, but long enough to cover the important bits"
That's the approach I used when writing my letters and PB threads.
You write on here thinking about young ladies' skirts?
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
I'm a working class lad from the North.
I grew up on a large estate.
A large 300 acre estate.
Don't think Dore is that working class :P
I think we have the highest percentage of people employed in the Sheffield constituencies.
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
I'm a working class lad from the North.
I grew up on a large estate.
A large 300 acre estate.
I’d have thunk a basic knowledge of Latin would be rather useful , you must come across it routinely being in the legal profession?
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
I'm a working class lad from the North.
I grew up on a large estate.
A large 300 acre estate.
I’d have thunk a basic knowledge of Latin would be rather useful , you must come across it routinely being in the legal profession?
Indeed, Latin, inter alia, is one of three languages that I use on a daily basis.
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
I'm a working class lad from the North.
I grew up on a large estate.
A large 300 acre estate.
I’d have thunk a basic knowledge of Latin would be rather useful , you must come across it routinely being in the legal profession?
Indeed, Latin, inter alia, is one of three languages that I use on a daily basis.
English and Urdu being others.
I thought the legal profession was trying to ditch latin...
I don't suppose the 375,000 households that live in overcrowded social housing are predominantly Tory voters though.
Some people are taking more of the finite resources that are available than they really need - and they are doing it to the detriment of others who are more desperately in need.
Defining yourself has having having a disability under the DDA means pretty much nothing in the context of how many bedrooms people need.
And
". If disability is defined as having any long-standing illness, disability or infirmity that leads to a significant difficulty with one or more areas of the individual’s life, the equivalent figures to those in the table above would be that 370,000 (56%) of working age social rented sector HB claimants or their partners affected by the size criteria would be classified as disabled"
Whichever way you look at this its yet another Cameron policy aimed squarely at disabled people while pensioners "spare rooms" don't count (they vote tory in larger numbers, and Dave did the disability photoshoots before the last election, interest has waned as it always does with the fake)
I'd like to see the 'long term stress' and 'back problems' breakdown of that lot...
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
I'm a working class lad from the North.
I grew up on a large estate.
A large 300 acre estate.
I’d have thunk a basic knowledge of Latin would be rather useful , you must come across it routinely being in the legal profession?
Indeed, Latin, inter alia, is one of three languages that I use on a daily basis.
English and Urdu being others.
I thought the legal profession was trying to ditch latin...
Like a Japanese Soldier on a desert Island in the Pacific I'm still holding out and fighting World War 2.
Now I'm off to wow some people with my command of German.
I don't suppose the 375,000 households that live in overcrowded social housing are predominantly Tory voters though.
Some people are taking more of the finite resources that are available than they really need - and they are doing it to the detriment of others who are more desperately in need.
True but most of those doing so are pensioners and therefore exempt from IDS's attack on the disabled .
The other key thing at this election will be what is happening in areas where local elections are held on the same day where turnout could well be even higher for those reasons too.
Scrapheap_as_was • November 4 £5.87 - that'll do for me Vince and for that reason, I'm out. Thanks v much.
We PB Tories don't get everything wrong... ahem. RMG at 550p now. Unlike Hunchman, I believe I posted I'd advised clients to start buying when FTSE dipped below 5,000 too.
I was talking to a housing officer last week and he was against it as he is very left wing.
But I was amazed about the modern definition of overcrowding. I grew up in a three bedroom council house and as there was only eight of us (nine for a couple of years when our cousin came to stay), we didn't consider ourselves over-crowded. There were fourteen in one house up the road.
Four Yorkshiremen would fit into a ten foot by six bedrooms easily.
When I were a lad we had to make do with sheltering in a hole covered by some tarpaulin.
[More seriously, there's nothing wrong with a bedroom that size, unless you're over 9' tall].
Well quite - 9ft by 7ft is a small, but reasonable room size for a bedroom – Mr Senior would have us believe that a teenager who presently has to share with a younger sibling, should decline the offer of their own bedroom on the grounds that it was ‘too small’ – Speaking from experience, I think he may find they’d beg to differ.
Perhaps if there had been Grammar schools when I was in my youth I would have learned Latin. I am sure it has educational benefits far beyond the learning of the language.
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
But of course pensioners are exempt no matter how many spare rooms they have.
That is the killer fact IMO - this policy is not about people with spare bedrooms. If it were pensioners would be included - indeed they would be top of the list as they are more likely to have spare rooms as their children will have grown up and moved out.
This policy is about playing to the tabloid "scrounger" agenda. Nothing more and nothing less.
But of course pensioners are exempt no matter how many spare rooms they have.
That is the killer fact IMO - this policy is not about people with spare bedrooms. If it were pensioners would be included - indeed they would be top of the list as they are more likely to have spare rooms as their children will have grown up and moved out.
This policy is about playing to the tabloid "scrounger" agenda. Nothing more and nothing less.
While you may have a point, I have no issue with pensioners being exempt. Much more traumatic (and Daily Mail-fodder) for a pensioner to be thrown out of their homes than younger families.
But I think the main point is that there are families on housing waiting lists who desperately need adequate housing.
while @tim has a point about the government (all governments) not having addressed the housing shortage so in some cases it is problematic for eg. a forced downsizer to find an appropriate smaller property, the principle is correct. And conversely I really don't think all the scare stories are legitimate or that there is a dialysis machine in the extra room of every household affected by this measure.
Very robust performance from Webb, I thought, and probably better than IDS would have done. IDS is at a Euro conference on Youth Unemployment 'not slinking away to Paris' as Reeves, screechy as ever, had it.
Clearly passion on both sides - but the most revealing comment came from Dame Anne Begg - social housing is viewed as 'a home for life' - the often unspoken assumption behind Labour's position - not shared on the government benches - hence the mutual incomprehension over the 'unfairness' (or not) vis a vis private sector rented accommodation. - where no one views a rental as a 'home for life'.....
The pensioner problem will sort itself - as in the fullness of time there wont be pensioners in 4 or 5 bedroom houses who haven't had their allowances cut. Unless people start popping out weans at 50.
So this is an interim anomaly which will taper away to zero.
But of course pensioners are exempt no matter how many spare rooms they have.
That is the killer fact IMO - this policy is not about people with spare bedrooms. If it were pensioners would be included - indeed they would be top of the list as they are more likely to have spare rooms as their children will have grown up and moved out.
This policy is about playing to the tabloid "scrounger" agenda. Nothing more and nothing less.
While you may have a point, I have no issue with pensioners being exempt. Much more traumatic (and Daily Mail-fodder) for a pensioner to be thrown out of their homes than younger families.
The sooner governments stop kowtowing to the Daily Mail agenda the better.
Mr. Senior, nobody claimed that, you silly sausage.
The point is disability isn't a one size term. Some disabled people can achieve incredible things, and some have difficulty with everything. That's the problem with treating them as a single group, there's huge variance within that group.
Mr. Senior, nobody claimed that, you silly sausage.
The point is disability isn't a one size term. Some disabled people can achieve incredible things, and some have difficulty with everything. That's the problem with treating them as a single group, there's huge variance within that group.
It is IDS and his supporters on here who want to treat all disabled people as a single group and penalise them all the same .
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Ok, that explains a few things...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=greyhound skirt
Maybe Cameron and Osborne should throw in a bit of Latin here and there and tell working class people who don't understand it they have a chip on their shoulder?!
I grew up on a large estate.
A large 300 acre estate.
:-)
English and Urdu being others.
Some people are taking more of the finite resources that are available than they really need - and they are doing it to the detriment of others who are more desperately in need.
Now I'm off to wow some people with my command of German.
Madness.
£5.87 - that'll do for me Vince and for that reason, I'm out.
Thanks v much.
We PB Tories don't get everything wrong... ahem. RMG at 550p now.
Unlike Hunchman, I believe I posted I'd advised clients to start buying when FTSE dipped below 5,000 too.
Still a long-term loser though as a Spurs fan.
tim • Posts: 12,997
1:44PM
Hodges -why the rise in Ed Milbands ratings is bad news for Ed Miliband
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100245585/voters-are-starting-to-like-ed-
miliband-but-they-still-dont-think-hes-prime-minister-material/
Mike Smithson@MSmithsonPB2m
How a good poll can be a bad poll - when it's a post by @DPJHodges on Ed Miliband
http://goo.gl/uU4aw1
Yawn
I was talking to a housing officer last week and he was against it as he is very left wing.
But I was amazed about the modern definition of overcrowding. I grew up in a three bedroom council house and as there was only eight of us (nine for a couple of years when our cousin came to stay), we didn't consider ourselves over-crowded. There were fourteen in one house up the road.
Four Yorkshiremen would fit into a ten foot by six bedrooms easily.
A nine by seven foot bedroom? Luxury!
When I were a lad we had to make do with sheltering in a hole covered by some tarpaulin.
[More seriously, there's nothing wrong with a bedroom that size, unless you're over 9' tall].
http://order-order.com/2013/11/12/labours-flawed-opposition-to-housing-benefit-reform-rachel-reeves-claims-disabled-people-cannot-work/
Alexander had a twisted spine and epilepsy, Caesar was also epileptic and may have had Crohn's, and Hannibal was blind in one eye.
And that's without getting on to modern chaps like Tamerlane (two of his limbs were frail) and Nelson.
The council estate was in Lincolnshire, not Yorkshire, so we had a better quality of tarpaulin.
This policy is about playing to the tabloid "scrounger" agenda. Nothing more and nothing less.
But I think the main point is that there are families on housing waiting lists who desperately need adequate housing.
while @tim has a point about the government (all governments) not having addressed the housing shortage so in some cases it is problematic for eg. a forced downsizer to find an appropriate smaller property, the principle is correct. And conversely I really don't think all the scare stories are legitimate or that there is a dialysis machine in the extra room of every household affected by this measure.
Clearly passion on both sides - but the most revealing comment came from Dame Anne Begg - social housing is viewed as 'a home for life' - the often unspoken assumption behind Labour's position - not shared on the government benches - hence the mutual incomprehension over the 'unfairness' (or not) vis a vis private sector rented accommodation. - where no one views a rental as a 'home for life'.....
So this is an interim anomaly which will taper away to zero.
So "calm down dear"
The point is disability isn't a one size term. Some disabled people can achieve incredible things, and some have difficulty with everything. That's the problem with treating them as a single group, there's huge variance within that group.