Calling Hyufd - Telegraph have a new poll on your specialist subject, The Boris Bounce.
If Boris leaves no deal or deal on 31st Oct 92% would vote Tory in future compares to 56% that would if Boris did not leave.
'Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party vote would collapse and switch back to the Tories if Boris Johnson succeeded in taking the UK out of the EU by October 31, a poll of Tory party members shows. The vast majority of Conservative switchers to the Brexit Party would come back to the Tories in a subsequent general election, leaving Mr Farage with a tiny rump, according to the survey by pollsters Orb International for the Telegraph.'
Of course if Boris did not follow his leave in October Deal or No Deal policy and instead followed the Hunt policy and left open further extension past October 31st they would not come back
A pointless poll.
It’s the general Tory voters in the country that are important . You don’t win elections by appealing to just your membership .
General Tory voters in the country also back Brexit, Deal or No Deal
As has been discussed many times, a number of "no deal' supporters think it means continuity or no change. The 27-30 % or so no deal hardcore who often emerge from more complex polls are somewhat lower than what people used to imagine as the tory core vote, and lower probably than to provide a working majority.
So you will be quite happy to a have the HoC determine future laws so long as it is manned by the right sort of MPs.who can continue their business unfettered by the constraints of the EU. How will you feel when son-of-Corbyn is elected in a landslide sometime in the future? it could happen, unless your chaps are planning safeguards to ensure that never happens.
Or are you suggesting voters take control and all primary legislation must be agreed by plebicite. If so let's have a vote on No Deal!
Actually I'm happy to have the HoC determine future laws whether it is manned by the right or wrong sort of MPs. If it is the wrong sort of MPs we can remove them at the ballot box, something we can't do with the unelected von der Leyen.
If son-of-Corbyn is elected I will be very disappointed and campaign to seek to see his tenure terminated and his decisions reversed at the next election. Ie democracy.
Son-of- Corbyn could do an awful lot of damage to your Nirvana in 5 years, including of course re-joining the EU without a referendum.
Indeed he could and I would see to undo that at the next election. Democracy, do you understand the concept?
I think so. I just preferred it when there were safeguards to reign in the excesses of for example a Corbyn government's Soviet-style programme. I guess you are ok with that, and heaven forbid it became a popular Soviet- style populist government. Blimey, if it moves they could nationalise it.
I prefer to have democracy as the safeguard.
What happens if a future EU-led government led to Soviet-style populist government and we can't kick it out at the ballot box?
Ah, that old chestnut, the Federal United States of Europe!
It's a ratchett that already exists.
If we want to undo an EU-law how can we do so via the ballot box? If we want to undo a UK-law how can we do so via the ballot box?
If we leave the EU but wish to trade with them how do we change an EU law which thanks to us being in the EU parliament was passed by 52:48%?
Once we've left we don't change their laws, that is their laws. Just as we don't change Japanese, or American laws. We change our own.
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
Deal requires time to get the bills through Parliament. No Deal requires time to get bills through Parliament\
If Boris campaigns on a No Deal Brexit the Tory party is totally and utterly toast.
You may not see it yet but I can imagine the posters already - mine aren't even the beginning of them...
I can easily explain in 8 steps enough to scare your average Leave Pensioner back to Labour....
It ends with less tax revenue, less money to pay your pension and no legal requirement to do so as we are outside the EU...
No Deal requires no bills, just refusal to extend.
Only the process make No Deal more orderly requires bills.
The Tories will only be toast if they do not campaign to deliver Brexit, provided they campaign to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal they will be fine
No deal requires Bills to be passed - the fact you think it doesn't shows as much attention to detail as Boris gives...
I notice that you haven't commented on the second point so you think a pensioner scared for their pension outside the EU is going to vote for a No Deal Brexit and lose their free NHS prescriptions as well...
No, as Article 50 has already been passed by Parliament, the EU will not even consider granting a further extension of Article 50 without a request from the UK PM and Parliament so by default we leave the EU on October 31st without that.
Not one No Deal Bill needs to be passed to make it happen, only to make the effects of No Deal a bit more orderly
Once again - dear leave voting pensioner - nice collection of prescription drugs there. How are you going to pay for it now the US controls the NHS?
I’m guessing the same way we always have: using PPRS and NICE to control drug pricing
A system it has been suggested that the US intends to challenge as part of any trade negotiations
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/ Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States. "On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC. "And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game." He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
Calling Hyufd - Telegraph have a new poll on your specialist subject, The Boris Bounce.
If Boris leaves no deal or deal on 31st Oct 92% would vote Tory in future compares to 56% that would if Boris did not leave.
'Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party vote would collapse and switch back to the Tories if Boris Johnson succeeded in taking the UK out of the EU by October 31, a poll of Tory party members shows. The vast majority of Conservative switchers to the Brexit Party would come back to the Tories in a subsequent general election, leaving Mr Farage with a tiny rump, according to the survey by pollsters Orb International for the Telegraph.'
Of course if Boris did not follow his leave in October Deal or No Deal policy and instead followed the Hunt policy and left open further extension past October 31st they would not come back
A pointless poll.
It’s the general Tory voters in the country that are important . You don’t win elections by appealing to just your membership .
General Tory voters in the country also back Brexit, Deal or No Deal
As has been discussed many times, a number of "no deal' supporters think it means continuity or no change. The 27-30 % or so no deal hardcore who often emerge from more complex polls are somewhat lower than what people used to imagine as the tory core vote, and lower probably than to provide a working majority.
Except Boris is not No Deal hardcore unlike Farage, he is Brexit Deal first and even voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3 but if not No Deal and on a forced choice v revoke even a YouGov poll has had No Deal beating Revoke and Remain
Deal requires time to get the bills through Parliament. No Deal requires time to get bills through Parliament\
If Boris campaigns on a No Deal Brexit the Tory party is totally and utterly toast.
You may not see it yet but I can imagine the posters already - mine aren't even the beginning of them...
I can easily explain in 8 steps enough to scare your average Leave Pensioner back to Labour....
It ends with less tax revenue, less money to pay your pension and no legal requirement to do so as we are outside the EU...
No Deal requires no bills, just refusal to extend.
Only the process make No Deal more orderly requires bills.
The Tories will only be toast if they do not campaign to deliver Brexit, provided they campaign to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal they will be fine
No deal requires Bills to be passed - the fact you think it doesn't shows as much attention to detail as Boris gives...
I notice that you haven't commented on the second point so you think a pensioner scared for their pension outside the EU is going to vote for a No Deal Brexit and lose their free NHS prescriptions as well...
No, as Article 50 has already been passed by Parliament, the EU will not even consider granting a further extension of Article 50 without a request from the UK PM and Parliament so by default we leave the EU on October 31st without that.
Not one No Deal Bill needs to be passed to make it happen, only to make the effects of No Deal a bit more orderly
Once again - dear leave voting pensioner - nice collection of prescription drugs there. How are you going to pay for it now the US controls the NHS?
I’m guessing the same way we always have: using PPRS and NICE to control drug pricing
A system it has been suggested that the US intends to challenge as part of any trade negotiations
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/ Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States. "On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC. "And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game." He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
What was I saying - and imagine 5 carefully planned weeks of this
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
What is it about right wing spivs? Earlier we had Richard Tice asking to be made British Ambassador to the US. NB Fred the Shred and the collapse of RBS on BBC 2. Fascinating
Calling Hyufd - Telegraph have a new poll on your specialist subject, The Boris Bounce.
If Boris leaves no deal or deal on 31st Oct 92% would vote Tory in future compares to 56% that would if Boris did not leave.
'Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party vote would collapse and switch back to the Tories if Boris Johnson succeeded in taking the UK out of the EU by October 31, a poll of Tory party members shows. The vast majority of Conservative switchers to the Brexit Party would come back to the Tories in a subsequent general election, leaving Mr Farage with a tiny rump, according to the survey by pollsters Orb International for the Telegraph.'
Of course if Boris did not follow his leave in October Deal or No Deal policy and instead followed the Hunt policy and left open further extension past October 31st they would not come back
A pointless poll.
It’s the general Tory voters in the country that are important . You don’t win elections by appealing to just your membership .
General Tory voters in the country also back Brexit, Deal or No Deal
As has been discussed many times, a number of "no deal' supporters think it means continuity or no change. The 27-30 % or so no deal hardcore who often emerge from more complex polls are somewhat lower than what people used to imagine as the tory core vote, and lower probably than to provide a working majority.
Except Boris is not No Deal hardcore, he is Brexit Deal first if not No Deal and on a forced choice v revoke even a YouGov poll has had No Deal beating Revoke and Remain
There is only one Brexit Deal. May's. The EU will not renegotiate. Even if they might, nothing will happen in time for 'do or die' date of 31st October.
Boris has brilliantly boxed himself into a corner.
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
Not without violating WTO rules.
The EU will be able to set their own laws. I see no reason for us to have any say in them, we will be a third party. Do you expect a say in how Congress sets US laws?
Curious how Labour are setting themselves up for the maximum hit from the EHRC investigation. It's going to be jolly hard after tonight to claim that the problem is all in the past and they've now put in place robust procedures etc etc.
Calling Hyufd - Telegraph have a new poll on your specialist subject, The Boris Bounce.
If Boris leaves no deal or deal on 31st Oct 92% would vote Tory in future compares to 56% that would if Boris did not leave.
'Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party vote would collapse and switch back to the Tories if Boris Johnson succeeded in taking the UK out of the EU by October 31, a poll of Tory party members shows. The vast majority of Conservative switchers to the Brexit Party would come back to the Tories in a subsequent general election, leaving Mr Farage with a tiny rump, according to the survey by pollsters Orb International for the Telegraph.'
Of course if Boris did not follow his leave in October Deal or No Deal policy and instead followed the Hunt policy and left open further extension past October 31st they would not come back
A pointless poll.
It’s the general Tory voters in the country that are important . You don’t win elections by appealing to just your membership .
General Tory voters in the country also back Brexit, Deal or No Deal
As has been discussed many times, a number of "no deal' supporters think it means continuity or no change. The 27-30 % or so no deal hardcore who often emerge from more complex polls are somewhat lower than what people used to imagine as the tory core vote, and lower probably than to provide a working majority.
Except Boris is not No Deal hardcore, he is Brexit Deal first if not No Deal and on a forced choice v revoke even a YouGov poll has had No Deal beating Revoke and Remain
There is only one Brexit Deal. May's. The EU will not renegotiate. Even if they might, nothing will happen in time for 'do or die' date of 31st October.
Boris has brilliantly boxed himself into a corner.
Brilliant isn’t the word I would have used- ineptly and unsurprisingly seems far more appropriate.
I'm more convinced than ever that Boris will win a majority in a forthcoming election.
Ian Dale had "frosty" Simon Heffer on his show this evening and he absolutely hates and lothes Boris with a passion not seen since Tony Blair was in government.
But the fact of the matter is Hefferlump hates winners and loves losers.
He hated Blair and didn't have much time for Cameron (both election winners)
But he supported Brown and Theresa May (both losers)
The general rule of thumb therefore is that if Heffer hates you your're a winner. If Heffer loves you you're a loser.
Boris 50 seat majority on 17th October 2019 nailed on!
Heffer of course famously berated Telegraph staff on their grammar, excerpt below
'There have been so many literals this week that I suspect some of you either never could spell, or have given up trying. Perhaps my favourite was "hocky mom", followed by "plumb compote" (bring on the lead poisoning). One reader, having spotted the words "Chrsitmas" and "adminsitration" in the same story wondered whether our newsroom was now being run by "mnokeys". While it is good to provide the customers with amusement, it should be intentional. Grammar remains a treacherous slope. There is still a difficulty with conjugating the verb "to drink". Be in no doubt: the beer was drunk, but the man drank the beer. Page 6 of our modest but robust little style book contains a description of the difference between "may" and "might". They are not interchangeable, oddly enough. Do feel free to have a look at it.
Please remember that nouns take adjectives and verbs take adverbs. A pair of shoes could be easier to walk in, but they are walked in more easily. We allowed the phrase "me and my colleagues" to appear in the paper the other day, and not in quotes, which was close to unforgiveable. As for where "a man cut off his head with a chainsaw because he did not want to leaving his repossessed home" came from, I cannot begin to fathom.'
No Deal requires no bills, just refusal to extend.
Only the process make No Deal more orderly requires bills.
The Tories will only be toast if they do not campaign to deliver Brexit, provided they campaign to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal they will be fine
No deal requires Bills to be passed - the fact you think it doesn't shows as much attention to detail as Boris gives...
I notice that you haven't commented on the second point so you think a pensioner scared for their pension outside the EU is going to vote for a No Deal Brexit and lose their free NHS prescriptions as well...
No, as Article 50 has already been passed by Parliament, the EU will not even consider granting a further extension of Article 50 without a request from the UK PM and Parliament so by default we leave the EU on October 31st without that.
Not one No Deal Bill needs to be passed to make it happen, only to make the effects of No Deal a bit more orderly
Once again - dear leave voting pensioner - nice collection of prescription drugs there. How are you going to pay for it now the US controls the NHS?
I’m guessing the same way we always have: using PPRS and NICE to control drug pricing
A system it has been suggested that the US intends to challenge as part of any trade negotiations
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/ Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States. "On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC. "And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game." He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
What was I saying - and imagine 5 carefully planned weeks of this
I believe Trump refers to our current system as ‘freeloading’.
Deal requires time to get the bills through Parliament. No Deal requires time to get bills through Parliament\
If Boris campaigns on a No Deal Brexit the Tory party is totally and utterly toast.
You may not see it yet but I can imagine the posters already - mine aren't even the beginning of them...
I can easily explain in 8 steps enough to scare your average Leave Pensioner back to Labour....
It ends with less tax revenue, less money to pay your pension and no legal requirement to do so as we are outside the EU...
No Deal requires no bills, just refusal to extend.
Only the process make No Deal more orderly requires bills.
The Tories will only be toast if they do not campaign to deliver Brexit, provided they campaign to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal they will be fine
No deal requires Bills to be passed - the fact you think it doesn't shows as much attention to detail as Boris gives...
I notice that you haven't commented on the second point so you think a pensioner scared for their pension outside the EU is going to vote for a No Deal Brexit and lose their free NHS prescriptions as well...
No, as Article 50 has already been passed by Parliament, the EU will not even consider granting a further extension of Article 50 without a request from the UK PM and Parliament so by default we leave the EU on October 31st without that.
Not one No Deal Bill needs to be passed to make it happen, only to make the effects of No Deal a bit more orderly
Once again - dear leave voting pensioner - nice collection of prescription drugs there. How are you going to pay for it now the US controls the NHS?
I’m guessing the same way we always have: using PPRS and NICE to control drug pricing
A system it has been suggested that the US intends to challenge as part of any trade negotiations
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/ Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States. "On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC. "And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game." He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
Wouldn't it make more sense to simply switch to a socialised system? Much less hassle.
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
Actually they won't. They will be just as constrained by WTO rules as we will be. If they make rules to specifically exclude or damage one particular country they will get hammered by the WTO.
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
Not without violating WTO rules.
The EU will be able to set their own laws. I see no reason for us to have any say in them, we will be a third party. Do you expect a say in how Congress sets US laws?
Are you sure about that. There are a lot of ways you can restrict market access via specifications that the WATO won’t care about...
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
Actually they won't. They will be just as constrained by WTO rules as we will be. If they make rules to specifically exclude or damage one particular country they will get hammered by the WTO.
Fairly easy to make general rules whose effects are uncomfortable for particular countries, though.
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
Actually they won't. They will be just as constrained by WTO rules as we will be. If they make rules to specifically exclude or damage one particular country they will get hammered by the WTO.
Fairly easy to make general rules whose effects are uncomfortable for particular countries, though.
Not really. For instance try targeting our Financial Services industry without also hitting New York.
What happens if 10 Tory MPs resign the whip following the announcement that Boris Johnson has been elected leader in 12 days' time?
Then we likely get a VONC, a September general election and if Boris wins a majority he can then dispense with them
It would take balls to call an election when the leading party is on about 28% in the polls compared to 43% at the last GE.
I can't see there is another combination of MPs that would allow an alternative government to be formed - so a GE wouldn't be a choice, it would be an inevitability
What happens if 10 Tory MPs resign the whip following the announcement that Boris Johnson has been elected leader in 12 days' time?
Then we likely get a VONC, a September general election and if Boris wins a majority he can then dispense with them
I think the Tories will be in for a nasty shock if "election winning" Boris either goes for a GE or is forced to one. He is likley to lose the 2017 Scottish seats even if he holds onto most of the seats May won in England and Wales. He will have done worse than TM before we factor in Lib Dem resurgence in the places they held between 1997 and 2010. Seat calculations based on opinion polls are meaningless, it will all be decided seat by seat, party machine vs. party machine.
Deal requires time to get the bills through Parliament. No Deal requires time to get bills through Parliament\
If Boris campaigns on a No Deal Brexit the Tory party is totally and utterly toast.
You may not see it yet but I can imagine the posters already - mine aren't even the beginning of them...
I can easily explain in 8 steps enough to scare your average Leave Pensioner back to Labour....
It ends with less tax revenue, less money to pay your pension and no legal requirement to do so as we are outside the EU...
No Deal requires no bills, just refusal to extend.
Only the process make No Deal more orderly requires bills.
The Tories will only be toast if they do not campaign to deliver Brexit, provided they campaign to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal they will be fine
No deal requires Bills to be passed - the fact you think it doesn't shows as much attention to detail as Boris gives...
I notice that you haven't commented on the second point so you think a pensioner scared for their pension outside the EU is going to vote for a No Deal Brexit and lose their free NHS prescriptions as well...
No, as Article 50 has already been passed by Parliament, the EU will not even consider granting a further extension of Article 50 without a request from the UK PM and Parliament so by default we leave the EU on October 31st without that.
Not one No Deal Bill needs to be passed to make it happen, only to make the effects of No Deal a bit more orderly
Once again - dear leave voting pensioner - nice collection of prescription drugs there. How are you going to pay for it now the US controls the NHS?
I’m guessing the same way we always have: using PPRS and NICE to control drug pricing
A system it has been suggested that the US intends to challenge as part of any trade negotiations
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/ Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States. "On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC. "And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game." He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
Trade deals don’t work that way. It’s about access to other markets, not interfering in specific company deals.
But we would be subject to them if we want to sell to the EU and we would no longer have a say in those standards
No we won't be subject to them. Just as we are not subject to American laws.
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
But the EU will be able to phrases rules in ways that explicitly exclude the UK and we would have no say in it....
What happens if 10 Tory MPs resign the whip following the announcement that Boris Johnson has been elected leader in 12 days' time?
Then we likely get a VONC, a September general election and if Boris wins a majority he can then dispense with them
I think the Tories will be in for a nasty shock if "election winning" Boris either goes for a GE or is forced to one. He is likley to lose the 2017 Scottish seats even if he holds onto most of the seats May won in England and Wales. He will have done worse than TM before we factor in Lib Dem resurgence in the places they held between 1997 and 2010. Seat calculations based on opinion polls are meaningless, it will all be decided seat by seat, party machine vs. party machine.
The top 50 to 100 Tory target seats are mainly Labour Leave seats.
If Boris gains 50 to 60 of those, even 10 SNP gains and 20 LD gains from the Tories would not stop an overall Tory majority
It appears the Iranians decided to have a go at harassing a UK flagged tanker vessel in the Gulf. Perhaps they initially missed the frigate escorting it but it didnt take long for them to see it.
Trade deals don’t work that way. It’s about access to other markets, not interfering in specific company deals.
And the US wants increased access to our health market.. The fact our health market has one dominate customer is irrelevant to that desire.
Sure - that’s about procurement, outsourcing etc
We have a very open and competitive market for drugs, with corporates having a lot of flexibility to set prices based on PPRS (ie an agreed overall pricing envelope for their portfolio)
NICE has pioneered value based pricing as well - a reimbursable maximum price is agreed: companies can charge more if they want but it won’t be prescribed by the NHS.
The point is that a trade deal is never going to say “you must increase the price of gabapentin by 10%”.
What Azar was driving at - and I have some sympathy - is that R&D is expensive and that if some countries use their leverage to reduce prices then the US will have to pay more for a given return target for drug companies. The obvious ripostes are: a) the US gets a lot of R&D conducted in its country - this is an explicit trade off the drug companies use - and they benefit from the taxable profit stream on that IP and b) drug companies are fat and inefficient and could tolerate lower pricing and returns
Having just watched Panorama, it's not surprising the Labour party staffers are on the brink of strike action.
As I understand it the pay dispute was settled the other day, what you saw on Panorama was ideological rivals...
The kind of people who wore black when Corbyn won the leadership to signify a funeral.
Smear
What do you think I am, John Ware or something? I don't mind Muslims and I am not making up stuff to smear them.
You are an apologist for antisemitic behaviour.
You refuse to see what is absolutely evident.
You seek to disparage whistleblowers.
That is what I think you are.
Beneath contempt.
Go fuck yourself right wing piece of trash, you weaponise racism so you can boost your own right wing racism and homophobia promoters, happy to smear the opposition to secure our very own UK Trump in office.
What happens if 10 Tory MPs resign the whip following the announcement that Boris Johnson has been elected leader in 12 days' time?
Then we likely get a VONC, a September general election and if Boris wins a majority he can then dispense with them
I think the Tories will be in for a nasty shock if "election winning" Boris either goes for a GE or is forced to one. He is likley to lose the 2017 Scottish seats even if he holds onto most of the seats May won in England and Wales. He will have done worse than TM before we factor in Lib Dem resurgence in the places they held between 1997 and 2010. Seat calculations based on opinion polls are meaningless, it will all be decided seat by seat, party machine vs. party machine.
The top 50 to 100 Tory target seats are mainly Labour Leave seats.
If Boris gains 50 to 60 of those, even 10 SNP gains and 20 LD gains from the Tories would not stop an overall Tory majority
There are constraints in terms of seat numbers in targeting for Labour and Tories at about 70 seats, usually the last election is used as a benchmark. The targeting involves multiple contacts with households via canvassing on foot, telephone call centres, mail shots, leafleting several leaflets, social media contact and other activity. Seats outside the 70 are not ignored but little work is done in them. To suggest that the Tories will commit resources to target 100 off labour is utter delusional! You dont know what you are talking about to put it politly. TM sanctioned delusional safe seat targeting that proved to be an utter waste of effort even when the Tories polled consistently well over 40%! I could go on but Boris winning safe Labour seats is not on the cards...
Having just watched Panorama, it's not surprising the Labour party staffers are on the brink of strike action.
As I understand it the pay dispute was settled the other day, what you saw on Panorama was ideological rivals...
The kind of people who wore black when Corbyn won the leadership to signify a funeral.
Smear
What do you think I am, John Ware or something? I don't mind Muslims and I am not making up stuff to smear them.
You are an apologist for antisemitic behaviour.
You refuse to see what is absolutely evident.
You seek to disparage whistleblowers.
That is what I think you are.
Beneath contempt.
Go fuck yourself right wing piece of trash, you weaponise racism so you can boost your own right wing racism and homophobia promoters, happy to smear the opposition to secure our very own UK Trump in office.
There - ladies, gentlemen and others of PB - we have the real face of the Corbyn Labour Party.
Looking forward to Hodge's retirement, next election can't come soon enough.
She’s the only Jewish MP of those 4 I believe. I’m sure it’s a coincidence you highlighted her
She's the only one that is likely to be retiring. Not sure exactly how you'd word it but would it be retiring with the rest of them or standing down to do something else?
I'd love to see Watson go but not holding my breath there, don't really mind Kinnock and Powell and I expect they will stay.
Having just watched Panorama, it's not surprising the Labour party staffers are on the brink of strike action.
As I understand it the pay dispute was settled the other day, what you saw on Panorama was ideological rivals...
The kind of people who wore black when Corbyn won the leadership to signify a funeral.
Smear
What do you think I am, John Ware or something? I don't mind Muslims and I am not making up stuff to smear them.
You are an apologist for antisemitic behaviour.
You refuse to see what is absolutely evident.
You seek to disparage whistleblowers.
That is what I think you are.
Beneath contempt.
Go fuck yourself right wing piece of trash, you weaponise racism so you can boost your own right wing racism and homophobia promoters, happy to smear the opposition to secure our very own UK Trump in office.
There - ladies, gentlemen and others of PB - we have the real face of the Corbyn Labour Party.
Can give it out but not take it I see, much like Trump himself.
It appears the Iranians decided to have a go at harassing a UK flagged tanker vessel in the Gulf. Perhaps they initially missed the frigate escorting it but it didnt take long for them to see it.
(CNN) — Five armed Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps boats unsuccessfully tried to seize a British oil tanker in the Persian Gulf Wednesday, according to two US officials with direct knowledge of the incident.
The British Heritage tanker was sailing out of the Persian Gulf and was crossing into the Strait of Hormuz area when it was approached by the Iranian boats. The Iranians ordered the tanker to change course and stop in nearby Iranian territorial waters, according to the officials. A US aircraft was overhead and recorded video of the incident.
The UK's Royal Navy frigate HMS Montrose had been escorting the tanker from the rear. It trained its deck guns on the Iranians and gave them a verbal warning to back away, which they did. Montrose is equipped on the deck with 30 mm guns specifically designed to drive off small boats.
What happens if 10 Tory MPs resign the whip following the announcement that Boris Johnson has been elected leader in 12 days' time?
Then we likely get a VONC, a September general election and if Boris wins a majority he can then dispense with them
I think the Tories will be in for a nasty shock if "election winning" Boris either goes for a GE or is forced to one. He is likley to lose the 2017 Scottish seats even if he holds onto most of the seats May won in England and Wales. He will have done worse than TM before we factor in Lib Dem resurgence in the places they held between 1997 and 2010. Seat calculations based on opinion polls are meaningless, it will all be decided seat by seat, party machine vs. party machine.
The top 50 to 100 Tory target seats are mainly Labour Leave seats.
If Boris gains 50 to 60 of those, even 10 SNP gains and 20 LD gains from the Tories would not stop an overall Tory majority
There are constraints in terms of seat numbers in targeting for Labour and Tories at about 70 seats, usually the last election is used as a benchmark. The targeting involves multiple contacts with households via canvassing on foot, telephone call centres, mail shots, leafleting several leaflets, social media contact and other activity. Seats outside the 70 are not ignored but little work is done in them. To suggest that the Tories will commit resources to target 100 off labour is utter delusional! You dont know what you are talking about to put it politly. TM sanctioned delusional safe seat targeting that proved to be an utter waste of effort even when the Tories polled consistently well over 40%! I could go on but Boris winning safe Labour seats is not on the cards...
Even based on the Comres poll below and a swing of 2.5% from Labour to the Tories under Boris the Tories would pick up 24 Labour seats giving a Tory majority and that ignores 'safe' Labour seats the Brexit Party would target
What happens if 10 Tory MPs resign the whip following the announcement that Boris Johnson has been elected leader in 12 days' time?
Then we likely get a VONC, a September general election and if Boris wins a majority he can then dispense with them
I think the Tories will be in for a nasty shock if "election winning" Boris either goes for a GE or is forced to one. He is likley to lose the 2017 Scottish seats even if he holds onto most of the seats May won in England and Wales. He will have done worse than TM before we factor in Lib Dem resurgence in the places they held between 1997 and 2010. Seat calculations based on opinion polls are meaningless, it will all be decided seat by seat, party machine vs. party machine.
The top 50 to 100 Tory target seats are mainly Labour Leave seats.
If Boris gains 50 to 60 of those, even 10 SNP gains and 20 LD gains from the Tories would not stop an overall Tory majority
There are constraints in terms of seat numbers in targeting for Labour and Tories at about 70 seats, usually the last election is used as ter waste of effort even when the Tories polled consistently well over 40%! I could go on but Boris winning safe Labour seats is not on the cards...
Even based on the Comres poll below and a swing of 2.5% from Labour to the Tories under Boris the Tories would pick up 24 Labour seats giving a Tory majority and that ignores 'safe' Labour seats the Brexit Party would target
Electoral Calculus gives a Boris led Tories a majority of 36 with 25 net Tory gains (even allowing for losses to the LDs and a clear majority even with a few more SNP gains) and 53 Labour losses.
The Tories would have 343 MPs, their highest total since Thatcher in 1987, Corbyn Labour would have just 209, a crushing and humiliating Labour defeat seeing them with only the same number of MPs that Foot got in 1983 while the LDs would win 40 seats and be back to 1997 levels.
Cancellation of plans for a third runway at Heathrow airport could cost the UK economy more than 300,000 jobs, an industry study warned as would-be prime minister Boris Johnson said he’d review the project.
I really don't think that posting material written by someone suspended from the Labour Party ' for calling the Jewish Labour Movement a “proxy for the Israeli Embassy”.' is in any way credible, constructive or helpful.
I really don't think that posting material written by someone suspended from the Labour Party ' for calling the Jewish Labour Movement a “proxy for the Israeli Embassy”.' is in any way credible, constructive or helpful.
But some people can't help themselves
To be honest given Labour suspended a Jewish woman for saying Jew at one point, I don't think using Labours cowardly suspensions of people to satisfy right wingers is really justification.
Also funnily enough the article was about one of the people on tonight's documentary who worked for the Israeli embassy and then JLM.... which was uncovered by Asa himself...
But no other angle at all, and if you cover your ears and shut your eyes really hard nobody can prove otherwise... damn you win this round, hard to beat the Trump tactic.
What precedent was there, the foreign affairs committee chair Tom Tugendhat asked McDonald straight off, for the head of state of a friendly government to do what Donald Trump has done this week and make it impossible for Britain’s senior representative in that country to do his job? McDonald’s answer was monosyllabic, crisp and explosive. “None,” he said.
Labour’s Chris Bryant followed up. Surely there were precedents from unfriendly countries such as Venezuela? “I know of none,” McDonald replied again. Not even hostile states have behaved like Trump, he insisted. Had there been some distant occasion when a British ambassador fell foul of the White House in such a way? There was, McDonald admitted, a “difficulty” in 1856, when President Franklin Pierce accused the British ambassador of recruiting Americans to fight in the Crimean war. The listeners in committee room 16 laughed, but McDonald did not.
And then came in many ways the most extraordinary remark of the lot. “Nothing like this has ever happened before,” McDonald told another MP. “There must be consequences. What they are in detail I can’t tell you this afternoon.”
So its not just Darroch Johnson wouldn't stand up for:
Miss Symonds, 31, had allegedly been asked by her bosses to step down amid claims her performance was not up to scratch......Senior party officials asked her to quit last summer. They allegedly told her that if she did not agree to go she would face the sack.
Sources said Miss Symonds recruited her lover to argue for her job. But one claimed his attempts were viewed by Tory chiefs as “a bit half-hearted”.
So its not just Darroch Johnson wouldn't stand up for:
Miss Symonds, 31, had allegedly been asked by her bosses to step down amid claims her performance was not up to scratch......Senior party officials asked her to quit last summer. They allegedly told her that if she did not agree to go she would face the sack.
Sources said Miss Symonds recruited her lover to argue for her job. But one claimed his attempts were viewed by Tory chiefs as “a bit half-hearted”.
Having just watched Panorama, it's not surprising the Labour party staffers are on the brink of strike action.
As I understand it the pay dispute was settled the other day, what you saw on Panorama was ideological rivals...
The kind of people who wore black when Corbyn won the leadership to signify a funeral.
Smear
What do you think I am, John Ware or something? I don't mind Muslims and I am not making up stuff to smear them.
You are an apologist for antisemitic behaviour.
You refuse to see what is absolutely evident.
You seek to disparage whistleblowers.
That is what I think you are.
Beneath contempt.
Go fuck yourself right wing piece of trash, you weaponise racism so you can boost your own right wing racism and homophobia promoters, happy to smear the opposition to secure our very own UK Trump in office.
Ooooo. Touchy, touchy. Mr Thicky's apologist in chief shows his true colours lol.
Comments
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/
Alex Azar, the US Health and Human Services Secretary, has said Washington will use its muscle to push up drug prices abroad, to lower the cost paid by patients in the United States.
"On the foreign side, we need to, through our trade negotiations and agreements, pressure them," Azar said on CNBC.
"And so we pay less, they pay more. It shouldn't be a one-way ratchet. We all have some skin in this game."
He continued: "The reason why they are getting better net prices than we get is their socialised system."
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=20RhRrMk&id=78B58D504798763E41BE2D3B558A30AE56B153D7&thid=OIP.20RhRrMkXKzrz5aptLLZGwHaEK&mediaurl=http://prod-upp-image-read.ft.com/034c8380-028f-11e7-aa5b-6bb07f5c8e12&exph=1152&expw=2048&q=salvini+putin&simid=608029886107160371&selectedindex=9&ajaxhist=0&vt=3&sim=1&cal=0.5345114392698926&cab=0.7240740740740741&cat=0.6129629629629629&car=0.596881501639955
We will be subject to ouw own laws in our own country, we will need to while trading with another nation we need to respect their laws, that is different.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-reveals-all-of-england-and-wales-now-favour-no-deal-except-london-a4108916.html
Boris has brilliantly boxed himself into a corner.
The EU will be able to set their own laws. I see no reason for us to have any say in them, we will be a third party. Do you expect a say in how Congress sets US laws?
'There have been so many literals this week that I suspect some of you either never could spell, or have given up trying. Perhaps my favourite was "hocky mom", followed by "plumb compote" (bring on the lead poisoning). One reader, having spotted the words "Chrsitmas" and "adminsitration" in the same story wondered whether our newsroom was now being run by "mnokeys". While it is good to provide the customers with amusement, it should be intentional. Grammar remains a treacherous slope. There is still a difficulty with conjugating the verb "to drink". Be in no doubt: the beer was drunk, but the man drank the beer. Page 6 of our modest but robust little style book contains a description of the difference between "may" and "might". They are not interchangeable, oddly enough. Do feel free to have a look at it.
Please remember that nouns take adjectives and verbs take adverbs. A pair of shoes could be easier to walk in, but they are walked in more easily. We allowed the phrase "me and my colleagues" to appear in the paper the other day, and not in quotes, which was close to unforgiveable. As for where "a man cut off his head with a chainsaw because he did not want to leaving his repossessed home" came from, I cannot begin to fathom.'
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/nov/28/simon-heffer-daily-telegraph
https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/1149066760588615680?s=20
https://twitter.com/LucyMPowell/status/1149081631384358913?s=20
https://twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1149063054417694720?s=20
Words mean nothing now. Act or you are complicit in it all.
https://twitter.com/Satiresocialist/status/1149081138713042944
At this point even the most committed cultists has to call time...
And are the Tories under Boris on 28%?
The kind of people who wore black when Corbyn won the leadership to signify a funeral.
Although you seem to be correct that a pay deal has been signed, so thank you for that.
If Boris gains 50 to 60 of those, even 10 SNP gains and 20 LD gains from the Tories would not stop an overall Tory majority
You refuse to see what is absolutely evident.
You seek to disparage whistleblowers.
That is what I think you are.
Beneath contempt.
We have a very open and competitive market for drugs, with corporates having a lot of flexibility to set prices based on PPRS (ie an agreed overall pricing envelope for their portfolio)
NICE has pioneered value based pricing as well - a reimbursable maximum price is agreed: companies can charge more if they want but it won’t be prescribed by the NHS.
The point is that a trade deal is never going to say “you must increase the price of gabapentin by 10%”.
What Azar was driving at - and I have some sympathy - is that R&D is expensive and that if some countries use their leverage to reduce prices then the US will have to pay more for a given return target for drug companies. The obvious ripostes are: a) the US gets a lot of R&D conducted in its country - this is an explicit trade off the drug companies use - and they benefit from the taxable profit stream on that IP and b) drug companies are fat and inefficient and could tolerate lower pricing and returns
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1148312432768684032?s=20
I'd love to see Watson go but not holding my breath there, don't really mind Kinnock and Powell and I expect they will stay.
The British Heritage tanker was sailing out of the Persian Gulf and was crossing into the Strait of Hormuz area when it was approached by the Iranian boats. The Iranians ordered the tanker to change course and stop in nearby Iranian territorial waters, according to the officials. A US aircraft was overhead and recorded video of the incident.
The UK's Royal Navy frigate HMS Montrose had been escorting the tanker from the rear. It trained its deck guns on the Iranians and gave them a verbal warning to back away, which they did. Montrose is equipped on the deck with 30 mm guns specifically designed to drive off small boats.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/10/politics/iran-attempted-seize-british-tanker/index.html
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/conservative
The Tories would have 343 MPs, their highest total since Thatcher in 1987, Corbyn Labour would have just 209, a crushing and humiliating Labour defeat seeing them with only the same number of MPs that Foot got in 1983 while the LDs would win 40 seats and be back to 1997 levels.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=32&LAB=25&LIB=17&Brexit=14&Green=2&UKIP=2&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/boris-johnson-heathrow-third-runway-decision-jobs-risk-airport-a8999196.html
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-labour-movement-worked-israeli-embassy-spy
No other angle, none at all.
But some people can't help themselves
Also funnily enough the article was about one of the people on tonight's documentary who worked for the Israeli embassy and then JLM.... which was uncovered by Asa himself...
But no other angle at all, and if you cover your ears and shut your eyes really hard nobody can prove otherwise... damn you win this round, hard to beat the Trump tactic.
https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/1149119232459857920
Labour’s Chris Bryant followed up. Surely there were precedents from unfriendly countries such as Venezuela? “I know of none,” McDonald replied again. Not even hostile states have behaved like Trump, he insisted. Had there been some distant occasion when a British ambassador fell foul of the White House in such a way? There was, McDonald admitted, a “difficulty” in 1856, when President Franklin Pierce accused the British ambassador of recruiting Americans to fight in the Crimean war. The listeners in committee room 16 laughed, but McDonald did not.
And then came in many ways the most extraordinary remark of the lot. “Nothing like this has ever happened before,” McDonald told another MP. “There must be consequences. What they are in detail I can’t tell you this afternoon.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/10/after-kim-darroch-britain-risks-becoming-vassal-to-united-states
Miss Symonds, 31, had allegedly been asked by her bosses to step down amid claims her performance was not up to scratch......Senior party officials asked her to quit last summer. They allegedly told her that if she did not agree to go she would face the sack.
Sources said Miss Symonds recruited her lover to argue for her job. But one claimed his attempts were viewed by Tory chiefs as “a bit half-hearted”.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-fought-save-partners-17859061