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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,321
    edited July 2019
    Zephyr said:


    Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.

    What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.

    After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.

    Being in the EU didn't shield us frm competition, it just made it more difficult to compete.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What do PBers think of this?

    "Ex-MI6 chief: UK going through 'political nervous breakdown'
    Sir John Sawers says Brexit has left country divided and damaged its global reputation"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/06/ex-mi6-chief-uk-going-through-political-nervous-breakdown
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited July 2019
    Zephyr said:

    Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.

    What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.

    After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.

    Absolutely the 80s taught us that competition works. Competition serves our people, serves our consumers, serves our workers.

    The EU I agree has been a desire to turn our backs on competition, which is why Europe has languished in malaise while Asia and America leapfrogs us. Because pulling up a comfort blanket and pretending competition doesn't exist, simply doesn't work.

    We need to view Europeans not as our communautaire or with solidarite but instead every bit as much our competitors as Asians and Americans are. And if we do that, then we can succeed in this globalised world.

    As we will then face the world as it is, not how we wish it to be.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Zephyr said:

    Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.

    What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.

    After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.

    Absolutely the 80s taught us that competition works. Competition serves our people, serves our consumers, serves our workers.

    The EU I agree has been a desire to turn our backs on competition, which is why Europe has languished in malaise while Asia and America leapfrogs us. Because pulling up a comfort blanket and pretending competition doesn't exist, simply doesn't work.

    We need to view Europeans not as our communitaire or with solidarite but instead every bit as much our competitors as Asians and Americans are. And if we do that, then we can succeed in this globalised world.

    As we will then face the world as it is, not how we wish it to be.
    For what ? Nothing that any normal human being in the U.K. would give up any loss of economic well being, there is no plus side to brexit, no sunny uplands, no political saviors but I hope you enjoy your new found freedoms when you spend them in the supermarket.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,146
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  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,854

    Zephyr said:

    Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.

    What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.

    After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.

    Absolutely the 80s taught us that competition works. Competition serves our people, serves our consumers, serves our workers.

    The EU I agree has been a desire to turn our backs on competition, which is why Europe has languished in malaise while Asia and America leapfrogs us. Because pulling up a comfort blanket and pretending competition doesn't exist, simply doesn't work.

    We need to view Europeans not as our communautaire or with solidarite but instead every bit as much our competitors as Asians and Americans are. And if we do that, then we can succeed in this globalised world.

    As we will then face the world as it is, not how we wish it to be.
    You do talk tripe!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,542
    Zephyr said:

    alex. said:



    I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).

    My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.

    Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.

    Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here

    Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change

    I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
    He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
    I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
    Travel in hope!

    I am expecting "Battling Boris Bashes Brussels" on day one though.
    Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.

    What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.

    After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.
    We've never not been in competition with the other EU countries.

    That you don't seem to understand this suggests why the UK has been losing out.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,260
    nichomar said:

    malcolmg said:

    tlg86 said:

    England 1 Sweden 2. F/t.

    Come on @malcolmg - you know what you want to say...
    LOL, what a great end to a great day : >:) ) the tabby cats are neutered
    malcolmg said:

    tlg86 said:

    England 1 Sweden 2. F/t.

    Come on @malcolmg - you know what you want to say...
    LOL, what a great end to a great day : >:) ) the tabby cats are neutered
    To be honest that’s very sad I know of no English, welsh or Irish people who wouldn’t support the last home nation team in a competition. It’s petty minded and down right stupid
    Get a sense of humour idiot, it was a bit of banter between myself and tlg86. Get out of victim mode and see the light. Nothing worse than a bad loser, you got humped get over it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,523
    I think Pol Pot said the same in the eighties.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    IanB2 said:

    Just thinking...

    The Tory membership has recently grown from 120k to 160k. Probably fair to say that not many of these new members are in the Ken Clarke mould.

    So, if Bozo's margin of victory is under 40k, then it will be fair to say that 'It is the Entryists Wot Won It!'.

    Something to mull over.

    Maybe they weren’t entryists at all, but existing members who fancied voting twice or three times and joined again? ;)
    Or formerly lapsed members who rejoined to get a say.

    Or people who didn't like Boris who joined to get a say.

    Or whatever.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Zephyr said:


    Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.

    What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.

    After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.

    Being in the EU didn't shield us frm competition, it just made it more difficult to compete.
    In what way does being in the EU make us less competitive?
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