'Won't somebody think of the Union?' is the latest anti-Brexit message. It's highly coordinated; and all the usual suspects have been at it. Including Hunt from the very beginning of his campaign. The Union is not going anywhere. It is not in danger from Brexit, in fact, Brexit makes it almost impossible to leave the UK in the short to medium term. Of course Brexit will enrage Scottish nationalists - what doesn't? They will not stop pushing for independence if it doesn't happen, nor will they find a more receptive audience if it does. The whole thing is one massive yawn.
If there is another referendum, and there are very plausible pathways to one, I expect independence to win. Because no-one much will argue for the Union.
I am as unionist as they come but the gig's up if the other lot don't want us. Boris et al are pretty clear the interests of Scotland (and Northern Ireland too) feature precisely nowhere on their radar. At least Theresa May cared.
Even with No Deal a Yes vote for independence in Scotland is not guaranteed.
An October 2018 poll had it No 52% and Yes 48%, and April 2019 poll had it No 48% Yes 52% and 20% and 13% Don't Know in both cases.
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
I agree but would change 'thin' to totally absent
Also I am not one of those supporting no deal and never will be
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
India look to have the beating of Sri Lanka, and the Saffirs are doing remarkably well against the Aussies. Meanwhile England are 1 down against Sweden in the Womens Football.
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
To be fair, he's just quoting the figures, and it gives a picture of the sort of people who think will do their Right Thing. Might send a cold shiver down the spine. but there it is.
India look to have the beating of Sri Lanka, and the Saffirs are doing remarkably well against the Aussies. Meanwhile England are 1 down against Sweden in the Womens Football.
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
The Commons will likely VONC Boris before the autumn given he has not ruled out No Deal, Boris then wins a majority on a pre October general election on a Brexit with a Deal or No Deal platform by October 31st
If Johnson succeeds I think that "No Deal" would be a very short term state and unlikely to last beyond the end of 2019. The EU will not want that state to last any more than the UK and a longer term deal of in the interests of both parties would follow quickly. That is in contrast to the position up to now where the EU has chosen to play hardball in the hope that the UK will either chose to remain or accept May's abject "Deal" that would settle next to nothing other than to strengthen the EU's position in the negotiations that would follow.
No discussions on post no deal departures on future trade deals until U.K. pays its debts, resolves EU citizens rights and accepts the backstop.
And you are taking them at their word.
It seems a reasonable position. To do otherwise would be akin to driving without insurance because you know you’re a better driver than everybody else.
If you want a driving analogy, the UK's negotiating position to date has been akin to a couple approaching a UK used car salesman, telling them that we are desperate to buy one of their cars and asking them to name their price and choose the car. They've selected an old banger which is just as bad as the clapped out model which they sold us previously at an inflated price and which we're still driving now. We've been asked to sign the cheque for the deal with a promise that the test drive will be fine, but the salesman has insisted on a legal provision that waives all our of rights if it is not.
When the purchaser at the last minute discloses that they are having second thought and wondering about engaging someone else to negotiate for them, the used car salesman insists that those terms will not be negotiated even if the purchaser walks away and he loses the deal.
You choose to believe the used car salesman. I choose not to. I realise that I might need to walk away, while telling the salesman that he can call me when he is prepared to offer something better.
No, I don’t want any analogies. They are invariably obfuscatory or irrelevant, whether deliberately so or not.
Of course the couple originally had a perfectly serviceable, indeed high quality, car which for some reason they chose to abandon.
And when they walked away from the deal they didn't keep their car, they walked into a lamppost.
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You seem to have a fixation that unless you follow the Farage no deal brexit you cannot be a conservative
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
We are a long way from a majority.
You like quoting polls, can you show a poll over the last few weeks that shows a conservative majority government
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You seem to have a fixation that unless you follow the Farage no deal brexit you cannot be a conservative
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
I don't want No Deal Brexit, I want to pass the Withdrawal Agreement and move to a FTA for GB. However given the current Commons has consistently voted against the Withdrawal Agreement (even Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3) then if the Tories have not won a majority by October 31st in order to pass the Withdrawal Agreement, the only way to deliver Brexit will be with No Deal.
If the Tories extend Article 50 again then Farage will have them for lunch and the Tories will fall to 4th, behind the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour.
Boris knows this which is why he has commited to Leave the EU Deal or No Deal on October 31st
Mr. NorthWales, are you not tempted to feign the opposite opinion next time to see what response you get (or ask another like-minded Conservative to do so)?
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You seem to have a fixation that unless you follow the Farage no deal brexit you cannot be a conservative
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
I don't want No Deal Brexit, I want to pass the Withdrawal Agreement and move to a FTA for GB. However given the current Commons has consistently voted against the Withdrawal Agreement (even Boris voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3) then if the Tories have not won a majority by October 31st in order to pass the Withdrawal Agreement, the only way to deliver Brexit will be with No Deal.
If the Tories extend Article 50 again then Farage will have them for lunch and the Tories will fall to 4th, behind the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour.
Boris knows this which is why he has commited to Leave the EU Deal or No Deal on October 31st
HYFUD: One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Cicero:
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
India look to have the beating of Sri Lanka, and the Saffirs are doing remarkably well against the Aussies. Meanwhile England are 1 down against Sweden in the Womens Football.
Sri Lanka are more buggered than a reluctant Turkish conscript.
I think Du Plessis is playing his last match. He seems like a man who has lost all cares in the world.
If South Africa win, we face the cheating convicts in the semis.
I have to say that would not be my preferred opponent. Equally, we would have to beat both teams to win the tournament anyway.
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You seem to have a fixation that unless you follow the Farage no deal brexit you cannot be a conservative
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
I don't wan If the Tories extend Article 50 again then Farage will have them for lunch and the Tories will fall to 4th, behind the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour.
Boris knows this which is why he has commited to Leave the EU Deal or No Deal on October 31st
He is playing you
He isn't as he knows if he does not deliver Brexit by then and extends again he will be toppled as PM but in any case it would probably be too late as the Brexit Party would already have overtaken the Tories
Mr. NorthWales, are you not tempted to feign the opposite opinion next time to see what response you get (or ask another like-minded Conservative to do so)?
It was suggested this morning and I agreed there is likely another script available. As I have said to Hyufd, Boris is playing with him, and no doubt myself, but my 'neither' ballot has been returned so I await to see how it pans out
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
We are a long way from a majority.
You like quoting polls, can you show a poll over the last few weeks that shows a conservative majority government
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
We are a long way from a majority.
You like quoting polls, can you show a poll over the last few weeks that shows a conservative majority government
I think it's been shown that's it's going to be quite difficult to get the necessary legislation through to hold a GE and 'agree' No Deal. Or come, to that, a deal of any sort. After all, the new PM will have to write to or email the Commission/Council to say 'I want a meeting' and then a date is going to have to be agreed. He can't turn up and bang on the door.
Mr. HYUFD, such polling holds no weight at all given how poor polling has often been and the critical fact that what happens regarding the EU will radically alter the polling landscape.
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You seem to have a fixation that unless you follow the Farage no deal brexit you cannot be a conservative
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
I don't wan If the Tories extend Article 50 again then Farage will have them for lunch and the Tories will fall to 4th, behind the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour.
Boris knows this which is why he has commited to Leave the EU Deal or No Deal on October 31st
He is playing you
He isn't as he knows if he does not deliver Brexit by then and extends again he will be toppled as PM but in any case it would probably be too late as the Brexit Party would already have overtaken the Tories
HYFUD: One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Cicero:
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
Or you are.
If Boris gets a majority before October 31st and the Commons then passes the Withdrawal Agreement with the temporary Customs Union for GB removed from the PD, negotiations can then begin on a FTA for GB with the EU
In terms of demographics of support, Hunt leads with Tory members who were Remainers on 73% to 27% for Boris and does better than his overall voting share with Scottish Tories, with whom he gets 45% while Boris gets 55%, with members in London with whom he gets 40% to 60% for Boris and with members aged 18 to 48 with whom he gets 28% to 72% for Boris and with Tory members who are women with whom he gets 30% to 70% for Boris.
Boris does best with Tory members who voted Leave with 86% to just 14% for Hunt, Tory members in the North with whom he gets 80% to just 20% for Hunt and Tory members aged 50 to 64 with whom he gets 77% to just 23% for Hunt.
You do like to quote stats on conservative members who at best are 160,000 of which many are recent UKIP entryists.
They represent a tiny number of voters and in order to govern the party has to reach far beyond including millions of young people who absolutely reject the 'Farage' attitude to the UK
The Tories are not going to win on a pro Remain message now, if you want to Remain you will vote LD or to a lesser extent Labour.
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You seem to have a fixation that unless you follow the Farage no deal brexit you cannot be a conservative
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
I don't wan If the Tories extend Article 50 again then Farage will have them for lunch and the Tories will fall to 4th, behind the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour.
Boris knows this which is why he has commited to Leave the EU Deal or No Deal on October 31st
He is playing you
He isn't as he knows if he does not deliver Brexit by then and extends again he will be toppled as PM but in any case it would probably be too late as the Brexit Party would already have overtaken the Tories
Actually the YouGov poll shows that a majority of Tory members think the PM shouldn’t resign if we don’t leave on October 31st.
HYFUD: One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Cicero:
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
Or you are.
If Boris gets a majority before October 31st and the Commons then passes the Withdrawal Agreement with the temporary Customs Union for GB removed from the PD, negotiations can then begin on a FTA for GB with the EU
Boris will not get a majority before the 31st October
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Boris can win a Tory majority with just a third of the vote under FPTP now we have 4 way politics with the Tories, Labour, LDs and Brexit Party all in the 15 to 25% range if he squeezes the Brexit Party back a bit.
'Won't somebody think of the Union?' is the latest anti-Brexit message. It's highly coordinated; and all the usual suspects have been at it. Including Hunt from the very beginning of his campaign. The Union is not going anywhere. It is not in danger from Brexit, in fact, Brexit makes it almost impossible to leave the UK in the short to medium term. Of course Brexit will enrage Scottish nationalists - what doesn't? They will not stop pushing for independence if it doesn't happen, nor will they find a more receptive audience if it does. The whole thing is one massive yawn.
The yawn is erses like you, thick southerners who think they are still in the empire days. We do not need some sniveling creeps from Westminster telling us what we can and cannot do.
Then become PM and sort it (and us) out. Nichola Sturgeon is one of the UK's most talented politicians. Why isn't she UK PM? No reason except then limitations she puts on herself.
Now you really are talking mince, the SNP are treated badly at Westminster, Scotland is treated with contempt by Westminster. We have just witnessed two absolute balloons, one of which will be PM, state live on media that they will ignore Scotland's wishes and cancel democracy by not allowing the democratically elected Government enact their manifesto promise. A pox on your union.
I don't agree. I think that the perception comes from inside. Nichola herself has said she has to be twice as good because she's Scottish. Alec Salmond has said Scotland is a nation of drunks. These are internal beliefs from people with deep issues about their own country.
Yep, we Scots really need to take a leaf out of the English book of entitlement, exceptionalism and self regard, just look at where it's got them today. If we work very hard we too could be in that position.
If that would mean that some Scots in particular would start feeling exceptional, hold themselves in high regard, and feel entitled to life giving them great things, then yes, that would be progress indeed.
The more I live here the more I realise that the independence movement is almost wholly built on people's low opinion of their own nationality. I hear things like 'English people made me feel like crap when I was at uni', 'I feel like a foreigner when I visit London', 'When a Scottish person wins a sporting event they're called British; when they lose they're called Scottish'. The thing all these statements have in common is that all of them are internal - those feelings have not been produced by the effect of external English malice, and indeed that would be almost impossible to do.
I do wonder whether Boris - who is said to be shy and needy to be liked - is ready for the level of exposure and hatred that is going to come his way when he gets the top job?
Mr. HYUFD, such polling holds no weight at all given how poor polling has often been and the critical fact that what happens regarding the EU will radically alter the polling landscape.
If we do not Leave the EU by October 31st then the Brexit Party will be largest party whether Boris or Hunt is Tory leader, I don't doubt that.
As YouGov showed, if Brexit has not happened by October and Britain remains a member of the EU while negotiations continue under Boris it would be Brexit Party 23%, LDs 33%, Labour 20%, Tories 20%.
Under Hunt it would be Brexit Party 27%, Tories 21%, LDs 20%, Labour 20%.
HYFUD: One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Cicero:
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
Or you are.
If Boris gets a majority before October 31st and the Commons then passes the Withdrawal Agreement with the temporary Customs Union for GB removed from the PD, negotiations can then begin on a FTA for GB with the EU
Boris will not get a majority before the 31st October
I do wonder whether Boris - who is said to be shy and needy to be liked - is ready for the level of exposure and hatred that is going to come his way when he gets the top job?
One thing Boris definitely is not is shy, in fact he would be about the most unshy PM we have had for decades.
Given he was Mayor of London and the Left hated him and led the Leave campaign and Remainers hated him it is not as if he is not used to it
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Mr. HYUFD, such polling holds no weight at all given how poor polling has often been and the critical fact that what happens regarding the EU will radically alter the polling landscape.
If we do not Leave the EU by October 31st then the Brexit Party will be largest party whether Boris or Hunt is Tory leader, I don't doubt that.
As YouGov showed, if Brexit has not happened by October and Britain remains a member of the EU while negotiations continue under Boris it would be Brexit Party 23%, LDs 33%, Labour 20%, Tories 20%.
Under Hunt it would be Brexit Party 27%, Tories 21%, LDs 20%, Labour 20%.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
If Boris wins a majority he can pass the Withdrawal Agreement even he voted for at MV3, so problem solved
I do wonder whether Boris - who is said to be shy and needy to be liked - is ready for the level of exposure and hatred that is going to come his way when he gets the top job?
One thing Boris definitely is not is shy, in fact he would be about the most unshy PM we have had for decades.
Given he was Mayor of London and the Left hated him and led the Leave campaign and Remainers hated him it is not as if he is not used to it
It’s an observation made by several people who know him - Andrew Gilligan, Leo McKinstry - that his shtick is to a degree an act developed in his youth as a cover for nervousness and shyness.
I do wonder whether Boris - who is said to be shy and needy to be liked - is ready for the level of exposure and hatred that is going to come his way when he gets the top job?
One thing Boris definitely is not is shy, in fact he would be about the most unshy PM we have had for decades.
Given he was Mayor of London and the Left hated him and led the Leave campaign and Remainers hated him it is not as if he is not used to it
It’s an observation made by several people who know him - Andrew Gilligan, Leo McKinstry - that his shtick is to a degree an act developed in his youth as a cover for nervousness and shyness.
Watching Boris recently I think that is a very succinct comment
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
I do wonder whether Boris - who is said to be shy and needy to be liked - is ready for the level of exposure and hatred that is going to come his way when he gets the top job?
One thing Boris definitely is not is shy, in fact he would be about the most unshy PM we have had for decades.
Given he was Mayor of London and the Left hated him and led the Leave campaign and Remainers hated him it is not as if he is not used to it
It’s an observation made by several people who know him - Andrew Gilligan, Leo McKinstry - that his shtick is to a degree an act developed in his youth as a cover for nervousness and shyness.
As is often the case with many charismatic people, that does not make him shy now.
I do wonder whether Boris - who is said to be shy and needy to be liked - is ready for the level of exposure and hatred that is going to come his way when he gets the top job?
One thing Boris definitely is not is shy, in fact he would be about the most unshy PM we have had for decades.
Given he was Mayor of London and the Left hated him and led the Leave campaign and Remainers hated him it is not as if he is not used to it
It’s an observation made by several people who know him - Andrew Gilligan, Leo McKinstry - that his shtick is to a degree an act developed in his youth as a cover for nervousness and shyness.
He didn't give the impression of competence and steadiness when Foreign Sec.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
If Boris wins a majority he can pass the Withdrawal Agreement even he voted for at MV3, so problem solved
What, THE withdrawal agreement? The one everyone apparently hates? And he's going to include passing the current withdrawal agreement in his election manifesto? And get every prospective Tory MP to sign up to voting for it?
And if they don't how large a majority are you predicting to enable him to ignore any awkward squad he has to deal with?
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Boris can win a Tory majority with just a third of the vote under FPTP now we have 4 way politics with the Tories, Labour, LDs and Brexit Party all in the 15 to 25% range if he squeezes the Brexit Party back a bit.
Where i am sceptical with this, is it allowing for remain party’s exchanging votes based on who in that constituency is best placed to beat their nemesis and his hard or no deal brexit, or is it uniform swing with lab, libdems and green all polling well in same place without squeezing?
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
If Boris wins a majority he can pass the Withdrawal Agreement even he voted for at MV3, so problem solved
What, THE withdrawal agreement? The one everyone apparently hates? And he's going to include passing the current withdrawal agreement in his election manifesto? And get every prospective Tory MP to sign up to voting for it?
And if they don't how large a majority are you predicting to enable him to ignore any awkward squad he has to deal with?
286 MPs voted for the Withdrawal Agreement at MV3, including Boris.
So if Boris gets another 35 to 45 Tory MPs at a general election in September for example he would then have the numbers to pass the Withdrawal Agreement (minus the temporary CU for GB May asked to be added).
That of course excludes the odd Labour MP like Lisa Nandy who have said they would now vote for the Withdrawal Agreement
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Boris can win a Tory majority with just a third of the vote under FPTP now we have 4 way politics with the Tories, Labour, LDs and Brexit Party all in the 15 to 25% range if he squeezes the Brexit Party back a bit.
Where i am sceptical with this, is it allowing for remain party’s exchanging votes based on who in that constituency is best placed to beat their nemesis and his hard or no deal brexit, or is it uniform swing with lab, libdems and green all polling well in same place without squeezing?
Although I think HY overstates the probability both of having the early election and the Tory prospects in it (particularly as while Boris is stressing the deal Farage will be stressing no deal), under our capricious lottery of a voting system the risk is clearly there. That’s what is driving the Remain parties (ex Labour) to look at co-operating. Labour might become an irrelevance in such an election as leave and remain fight it out.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Boris can win a Tory majority with just a third of the vote under FPTP now we have 4 way politics with the Tories, Labour, LDs and Brexit Party all in the 15 to 25% range if he squeezes the Brexit Party back a bit.
Where i am sceptical with this, is it allowing for remain party’s exchanging votes based on who in that constituency is best placed to beat their nemesis and his hard or no deal brexit, or is it uniform swing with lab, libdems and green all polling well in same place without squeezing?
LDs will not tactically vote Labour now to the extent they did in 2017 in Labour v Tory marginal seats and certainly not while Corbyn remains Labour leader
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Will EU give Boris better deal than they gave Tess. After what they done to her. They wouldn’t even be fair to themselves and their own negotiation if they done that.
The EU can win and screw UK from no deal brexit. Interesting your war metaphor, because that is exactly what it will be. The First World War we remember as trench warfare, but the first month was fluid with much up for grabs. Some could say exciting or too exciting perhaps. But this is exactly what the first few months of no deal brexit will be. UK and EU will have massive decisions to gain upper hand in those first few months, the wrong decisions disastrous for the trench warfare to follow.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
James Forsyth has reported this morning that Matt Hancock is planning the first 100 days of a Boris PMship and that Geoffrey Cox is planning the negotiation strategy with Brussels and also how to handle Parliament.
More cooperation with cabinet colleagues than May initiated in three years.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
To be fair, with odd exceptions on this board we've all been so negative about him that 'things can only get better'! Or of course, our collective fears could be realised. Surely, in practical terms, he'll have to sort out a Government and that will take him a week or so.
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Boris can win a Tory majority with just a third of the vote under FPTP now we have 4 way politics with the Tories, Labour, LDs and Brexit Party all in the 15 to 25% range if he squeezes the Brexit Party back a bit.
Where i am sceptical with this, is it allowing for remain party’s exchanging votes based on who in that constituency is best placed to beat their nemesis and his hard or no deal brexit, or is it uniform swing with lab, libdems and green all polling well in same place without squeezing?
LDs will not tactically vote Labour now to the extent they did in 2017 in Labour v Tory marginal seats and certainly not while Corbyn remains Labour leader
Labour is more that just Corbyn you know. It’s a big wide tribe, with not just a ground game but reasonably sharp on digital campaigning too. They have sitting MPs the locals know and love as their remain MP. And your figures has Boris and BP mopping a lot of them up.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
I admire your optimism.
You can be an optimist or a pessimist so I choose optimism but am not holding my breath
'Won't somebody think of the Union?' is the latest anti-Brexit message. It's highly coordinated; and all the usual suspects have been at it. Including Hunt from the very beginning of his campaign. The Union is not going anywhere. It is not in danger from Brexit, in fact, Brexit makes it almost impossible to leave the UK in the short to medium term. Of course Brexit will enrage Scottish nationalists - what doesn't? They will not stop pushing for independence if it doesn't happen, nor will they find a more receptive audience if it does. The whole thing is one massive yawn.
If there is another referendum, and there are very plausible pathways to one, I expect independence to win. Because no-one much will argue for the Union.
I am as unionist as they come but the gig's up if the other lot don't want us. Boris et al are pretty clear the interests of Scotland (and Northern Ireland too) feature precisely nowhere on their radar. At least Theresa May cared.
Even with No Deal a Yes vote for independence in Scotland is not guaranteed.
An October 2018 poll had it No 52% and Yes 48%, and April 2019 poll had it No 48% Yes 52% and 20% and 13% Don't Know in both cases.
Independence is by no means guaranteed. A lot depends on what happens in England. Right now it doesn't look good for the Union. The one thing that is almost certain is that Brexit will fail on its own terms, with a likely resentful England and alienated Scotland.
I thought all your 'precious, precious Union' pols would be tweeting support for the British Pride march in Glasgow? After all these lads are going to be your foot soldiers in Indy Ref II.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
I admire your optimism.
You can be an optimist or a pessimist so I choose optimism but am not holding my breath
What is the difference between a Soviet optimist and a Soviet pessimist?
A Soviet pessimist says, 'things are so awful right now they can't possibly get any worse.'
An optimist replies, 'they will, they really will.'
I thought all your 'precious, precious Union' pols would be tweeting support for the British Pride march in Glasgow? After all these lads are going to be your foot soldiers in Indy Ref II.
James Forsyth has reported this morning that Matt Hancock is planning the first 100 days of a Boris PMship and that Geoffrey Cox is planning the negotiation strategy with Brussels and also how to handle Parliament.
More cooperation with cabinet colleagues than May initiated in three years.
Does the plan include exiting the EU without a deal on day 97?
One would have thought that Geoffrey Cox would keep his head down. Permanently. (Wasn't he the person that May sent to try to 'renegotiate' away the backstop in February?)
The yawn is erses like you, thick southerners who think they are still in the empire days. We do not need some sniveling creeps from Westminster telling us what we can and cannot do.
Then become PM and sort it (and us) out. Nichola Sturgeon is one of the UK's most talented politicians. Why isn't she UK PM? No reason except then limitations she puts on herself.
Now you really are talking mince, the SNP are treated badly at Westminster, Scotland is treated with contempt by Westminster. We have just witnessed two absolute balloons, one of which will be PM, state live on media that they will ignore Scotland's wishes and cancel democracy by not allowing the democratically elected Government enact their manifesto promise. A pox on your union.
I don't agree. I think that the perception comes from inside. Nichola herself has said she has to be twice as good because she's Scottish. Alec Salmond has said Scotland is a nation of drunks. These are internal beliefs from people with deep issues about their own country.
Yep, we Scots really need to take a leaf out of the English book of entitlement, exceptionalism and self regard, just look at where it's got them today. If we work very hard we too could be in that position.
If that would mean that some Scots in particular would start feeling exceptional, hold themselves in high regard, and feel entitled to life giving them great things, then yes, that would be progress indeed.
The more I live here the more I realise that the independence movement is almost wholly built on people's low opinion of their own nationality. I hear things like 'English people made me feel like crap when I was at uni', 'I feel like a foreigner when I visit London', 'When a Scottish person wins a sporting event they're called British; when they lose they're called Scottish'. The thing all these statements have in common is that all of them are internal - those feelings have not been produced by the effect of external English malice, and indeed that would be almost impossible to do.
I thought all your 'precious, precious Union' pols would be tweeting support for the British Pride march in Glasgow? After all these lads are going to be your foot soldiers in Indy Ref II.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
In 2017 Labour also promised to deliver Brexit while also winning Remainers who wanted to stop Brexit.
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
Travel in hope!
I am expecting "Battling Boris Bashes Brussels" on day one though.
Perhaps the cunning plan (let's put the obvious flaws to one side for a moment!) is for Johnson to get a General Election majority on a firm commitment to leave on 31st October, and then... not leave but use the 5 years he has to produce a negotiated departure... As the BXP can stamp their feet as much as they like.
Wasn't that Theresa May's plan?
Now Greens
I honestly don't think Boris has a plan. He will concentrate on winning this selection race and then sit down with his advisors and decide a strategy (probably conveniently forgetting all the various disparate promises he has made).
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
Very much my thoughts but there is another issue not much spoken here
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
He could have the best 'agenda' in the world, there's still precious little evidence that he actually has the personal attributes required of a potential Prime Minister.
I do agree so we can only be surprised on the upside
Travel in hope!
I am expecting "Battling Boris Bashes Brussels" on day one though.
Yes. And it has to be because not being in EU doesn’t mean two passive adversaries, it means we are in competition with EU now. Fish wars. Farm wars. Car wars. Robotics and genetics wars.
What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.
After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.
Full details of the YouGov Tory members' poll are out now.
As well as the headline figures of Boris 74% and Hunt 26% they also have some additional questions which shows Tory members more committed to Brexit than ever but easing off in support for more austerity.
53% of Tory members say the next PM should resign if Britain has not left the EU by 31st October with just 34% opposed.
67% back proroguing Parliament to enforce No Deal if necessary with just 27% opposed.
45% thing Boris could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and 90% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal. Only 22% think Hunt could renegotiate a better Deal with the EU and only 27% think he would be prepared to Leave the EU with No Deal.
52% back the government increasing public spending in the event of No Deal, even if it means more public borrowing and debt to support the economy.
Only 41% of Tory members think the government should maintain limits on public spending after Brexit in order to keep public borrowing and debt under control.
Thanks for that. Cake and eat it rather, isn't it. I'm concerned too by the two-thirds of Tory members who would be prepared to close down Parliament if it was necessary to do that to Leave, and to do so with No Deal. The commitment to democracy seems a bit thin!
Proroging parliament to force No Deal may be a short term desire of the membership. They may change their mind when the next PM who is less to their liking decides to do it...
Judging by my telephone call from Team Boris last night and my confirmation I reject no deal 100% I was told that Boris only supports no deal as a negotiating strategy and will agree a deal. Furthermore when I expressed concern that the Union would be under threat I was told that the Union of Scotland, Wales and Ireland are paramount and would be strengthened
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
We are a long way from a majority.
You like quoting polls, can you show a poll over the last few weeks that shows a conservative majority government
"We're moving in the right direction", says the BBC pundit of England. They finished 4th, having finished 3rd in the last World Cup. The BBC really are dire nowadays.
Come on @malcolmg - you know what you want to say...
LOL, what a great end to a great day : ) the tabby cats are neutered
To be honest that’s very sad I know of no English, welsh or Irish people who wouldn’t support the last home nation team in a competition. It’s petty minded and down right stupid
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An October 2018 poll had it No 52% and Yes 48%, and April 2019 poll had it No 48% Yes 52% and 20% and 13% Don't Know in both cases.
http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-vote-in-a-second-scottish-independence-referendum-in-the-event-of#table
While 51% of Scottish Remainers now back Yes because of Brexit, 64% of Scottish Leavers still back No.
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2019/07/could-brexit-yet-undermine-the-future-of-the-british-state/
Also I am not one of those supporting no deal and never will be
Sweden 2 up now.
If these comments are true then Hyufd and others are being played to get Boris into office
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
The Tories will only win a majority at the next general election by winning the vast majority of Leave voters and reducing leakage to the Brexit Party on a firm deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal message.
The Tories will also not win young voters either, they will also vote Labour, LD or Green on average, the key voters the Tories need to win are those aged 45-55, they will determine who becomes the next PM
You are mistaken and it does look like Boris is playing with you
And dismissing the young is arrogant and unacceptable
We will see over the coming months how this pans out but you could well be very disappointed
You like quoting polls, can you show a poll over the last few weeks that shows a conservative majority government
If the Tories extend Article 50 again then Farage will have them for lunch and the Tories will fall to 4th, behind the Brexit Party, the LDs and Labour.
Boris knows this which is why he has commited to Leave the EU Deal or No Deal on October 31st
One thing is near certain we will find out in the coming weeks
As I have said before Boris wants a FTA for GB ultimately not No Deal and if he wins a majority that is what he would move to
Cicero:
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or
ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
Or you are.
I think Du Plessis is playing his last match. He seems like a man who has lost all cares in the world.
If South Africa win, we face the cheating convicts in the semis.
I have to say that would not be my preferred opponent. Equally, we would have to beat both teams to win the tournament anyway.
After all, the new PM will have to write to or email the Commission/Council to say 'I want a meeting' and then a date is going to have to be agreed. He can't turn up and bang on the door.
Cicero:
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or
ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
Or you are.
If Boris gets a majority before October 31st and the Commons then passes the Withdrawal Agreement with the temporary Customs Union for GB removed from the PD, negotiations can then begin on a FTA for GB with the EU
Since he can't get An FTA by 31 October, why would he suggest that he can?
Who is the fool here?
i) Boris, who "genuinely believes an FTA can be made before the deadline", or
ii) the people he is trying fool that he can get a deal before the deadline, even though there is no chance of such a deal?
If he "genuinely" wants a deal why is he saying he would leave without one?
The thing is that he is clearly lying one way on another, which is why he's not fit for office. we don't need to wait three months to make this judgement while he puts the country into a crisis: he's a liar now.
Or you are.
If Boris gets a majority before October 31st and the Commons then passes the Withdrawal Agreement with the temporary Customs Union for GB removed from the PD, negotiations can then begin on a FTA for GB with the EU
Boris will not get a majority before the 31st October
The more I live here the more I realise that the independence movement is almost wholly built on people's low opinion of their own nationality. I hear things like 'English people made me feel like crap when I was at uni', 'I feel like a foreigner when I visit London', 'When a Scottish person wins a sporting event they're called British; when they lose they're called Scottish'. The thing all these statements have in common is that all of them are internal - those feelings have not been produced by the effect of external English malice, and indeed that would be almost impossible to do.
As YouGov showed, if Brexit has not happened by October and Britain remains a member of the EU while negotiations continue under Boris it would be Brexit Party 23%, LDs 33%, Labour 20%, Tories 20%.
Under Hunt it would be Brexit Party 27%, Tories 21%, LDs 20%, Labour 20%.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/28/jeremy-hunt-now-leads-boris-johnson-publics-prefer
Boris will not get a majority before the 31st October
He might well do if Comres is anything to go by
Given he was Mayor of London and the Left hated him and led the Leave campaign and Remainers hated him it is not as if he is not used to it
Hope they're having a lovely time.
In 2017 they had the Tories on 44% so not far off either
But if they get two of the top four quickly, it will look a lot more competitive.
All they give us is a rough idea of which way the wind is blowing at a moment in time.
The revolution is eating itself.
Dr Peters (as he then was) is hardly doing anything to dispel it.
Brown and May and Heath were shy, Boris is not
And if they don't how large a majority are you predicting to enable him to ignore any awkward squad he has to deal with?
Now Labour has lost Leavers to the Brexit Party and Remainers to the LDs and Greens
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1147521084188692480
My guess he will go full throttle, faux Churchill mode in first few days, banging on about No Deal, preparing the country, 'We are Off!', this is like war-time folks, we can do it etc etc. Tabloids will wet themselves.
Meanwhile, furious back channels will be underway to EU to try and find a way out.
So if Boris gets another 35 to 45 Tory MPs at a general election in September for example he would then have the numbers to pass the Withdrawal Agreement (minus the temporary CU for GB May asked to be added).
That of course excludes the odd Labour MP like Lisa Nandy who have said they would now vote for the Withdrawal Agreement
Boris will not want to be the PM who falls in a few months and be will be spinning many plates to appeal to a wider electorate with eye catching policies on police, education, the Union and climate change
I doubt he will succeed but if he were to resolve brexit and move onto an investment and social agenda, then I and many others will have been proven wrong
The EU can win and screw UK from no deal brexit. Interesting your war metaphor, because that is exactly what it will be. The First World War we remember as trench warfare, but the first month was fluid with much up for grabs. Some could say exciting or too exciting perhaps. But this is exactly what the first few months of no deal brexit will be. UK and EU will have massive decisions to gain upper hand in those first few months, the wrong decisions disastrous for the trench warfare to follow.
More cooperation with cabinet colleagues than May initiated in three years.
Surely, in practical terms, he'll have to sort out a Government and that will take him a week or so.
Really? You convinced?
https://twitter.com/somarcsaid/status/1147426810780688385
A Soviet pessimist says, 'things are so awful right now they can't possibly get any worse.'
An optimist replies, 'they will, they really will.'
One would have thought that Geoffrey Cox would keep his head down. Permanently. (Wasn't he the person that May sent to try to 'renegotiate' away the backstop in February?)
Usman Khawaja retired hurt.
So they have them two down. If they can just get one of the sandboys...
I am expecting "Battling Boris Bashes Brussels" on day one though.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17754026.at-least-13-000-join-one-banner-ayr-march-support-scottish-independence-organisers-say/
What did the 80s teach us about competition? Serves customer, at expense of what? We will be in Wage, profit margin, contract and condition squeezing competition with not just EU, but all countries we now have trade deals with we burn on EU exit, in order to keep and attract jobs and business - playing into the hands of the globalisation and lost control much of leave vote actually thought they were waving their fists against.
After the two world wars they said never Again. We will be smarter now. However, Humans only learn its hot by burning themselves, Again. And again.
Are we expecting any polls tonight?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/swedes-2-turnips-1.jpg
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/01/world/americas/nayib-bukele-migrant-deaths.html
The BBC really are dire nowadays.