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  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565

    Scott_P said:
    461 respondents....i presume that is probably entire young conservative membership.
    That's very unfair - assuming that "Young" Conservative means under-65 there are loads more than that.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    Shocked and surprised you've gone for Hunt :o
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Pulpstar said:

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    Shocked and surprised you've gone for Hunt :o
    Had to think about my book.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,406
    tpfkar said:

    Scott_P said:
    461 respondents....i presume that is probably entire young conservative membership.
    That's very unfair - assuming that "Young" Conservative means under-65 there are loads more than that.

    462
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Cricket World Cup final to be shown on free-to-air TV if England qualify

    Might end up on More4.

    Is an epic Sunday for sport.

    Wimbledon Men’s Final, the British Grand Prix, The Open, and the cricket World Cup final.
    The Open is the following weekend.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    LOL! Who would want the endorsment of that loser? :D
    If Brexit happens we will still have to endure 18 months of Remoaner moaning, that is what happens after major event, cf selling council houses, selling BT. After 18 months it becomes obvious that the change has not been bad and the figures start coming in to prove the moaners wrong.

    Then, if it is a success we will see all the Remoaners denying they were ever against it and emphasising how thier strnger Brexit would have been better. Brass necks are nothing new.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    edited July 2019

    Cricket World Cup final to be shown on free-to-air TV if England qualify

    Might end up on More4.

    Is an epic Sunday for sport.

    Wimbledon Men’s Final, the British Grand Prix, The Open, and the cricket World Cup final.
    They need to stick it on the youtube like bt sport have done with the footy.
    Wasn’t the BT sport thing on YouTube a fiasco?
    In what way? I watched it on there.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9200999/bt-sports-slammed-tv-viewers-champions-league-final-feed-youtube/
    I remember that a bit in the first half but it seemed to settle down. No idea if that was bt or youtube fault. It wasnt bad enough that i could be arsed to go and watch it on my main tv.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    Shocked and surprised you've gone for Hunt :o
    Had to think about my book.
    It's the number next to Boris that'll count, green good, red bad..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    I'm disappointed that you didn't vote using AV.
    This is the final stage of the Tory leadership contest, the first part is conducted under quasi-AV.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    Andrew said:

    Cyclefree said:


    If Boris was not fit to receive intelligence, given what the FS is responsible for, he was not fit to be FS.

    Well, clearly the last bit was true. That's the problem with inside-the-tent-pissing-out appointments, of course.
    He was inside still pissing in, and yet people think he is a suitable PM.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Diehard Remainers

    You voted REMAIN. That makes you a Remainer!
    No, it makes me someone who respects democracy and the Leave vote.

    Not a diehard Remainer who refuses to respect democracy and is determined to Stop Brexit
    Except you condemn politicians who voted remain even if they have tried their damndest to see us leave and voted for us to leave multiple times . You apply a different standard to them than yourself and fool no one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    tlg86 said:

    Cricket World Cup final to be shown on free-to-air TV if England qualify

    Might end up on More4.

    Is an epic Sunday for sport.

    Wimbledon Men’s Final, the British Grand Prix, The Open, and the cricket World Cup final.
    The Open is the following weekend.
    Oops. Still an epic Sporting Sunday on the 14th.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Scott_P said:
    That appointment makes very good sense. Clearly in Corbyn's Labour Party the role of the Head of Membership is to ensure that no dissident refuseniks like Tom Watson remain as members of the party.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    Shocked and surprised you've gone for Hunt :o
    Had to think about my book.
    It's the number next to Boris that'll count, green good, red bad..
    I'm buying a few pints for that Andrea Leadsom backer.
  • It's remarkable that just 5 weeks ago on 31 May, I was able to back the LibDems at 33/1 to win the most seats at the next GE. Their odds have since shortened dramatically with those nice folk at William Hill now offering only 9/1.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Anorak said:

    Good article spoiled by the horrifying use of two spaces after each full stop.

    That’s what I was taught, years ago. When there were typewriters, not computers. Sorry!
    It is not a fault - text always lies better if you do that, even on computers. It's definitely easier to read when printed out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    Shocked and surprised you've gone for Hunt :o
    Had to think about my book.
    It's the number next to Boris that'll count, green good, red bad..
    I'm buying a few pints for that Andrea Leadsom backer.
    Imagine the scenes if she got 35% of write in votes, ahead of Hunt and Boris.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Cricket World Cup final to be shown on free-to-air TV if England qualify

    Might end up on More4.

    Is an epic Sunday for sport.

    Wimbledon Men’s Final, the British Grand Prix, The Open, and the cricket World Cup final.
    The Open is the following weekend.
    Oops. Still an epic Sporting Sunday on the 14th.
    It'll probably rain.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well I’ve finally decided who to vote for in the Tory leadership election.

    https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1147151027411570688?s=21

    Shocked and surprised you've gone for Hunt :o
    Had to think about my book.
    It's the number next to Boris that'll count, green good, red bad..
    I'm buying a few pints for that Andrea Leadsom backer.
    Imagine the scenes if she got 35% of write in votes, ahead of Hunt and Boris.
    To be the honest the real factor was the potential bragging rights.

    You know what I'm like when I've tipped a 1/500 winner, just imagine what I'm going to be like if my 100/1 tip becomes a winner.
  • Scott_P said:
    Hell of a lot of wishful thinking. Might be right, we don't know. But, there will be great disappointment in the FT if it isn't.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    It's remarkable that just 5 weeks ago on 31 May, I was able to back the LibDems at 33/1 to win the most seats at the next GE. Their odds have since shortened dramatically with those nice folk at William Hill now offering only 9/1.

    Tipped up at 250-1 by Tissue Price :o
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2019
    If England knock out India at Edgbaston there could be a lot of tickets available for the final, provided the Indian fans who don't want to go return their tickets. A lot of Indian fans have bought tickets for both semi-finals to ensure they don't miss their team playing.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:

    Anorak said:

    Good article spoiled by the horrifying use of two spaces after each full stop.

    That’s what I was taught, years ago. When there were typewriters, not computers. Sorry!
    It is not a fault - text always lies better if you do that, even on computers. It's definitely easier to read when printed out.
    Thank you. That’s partly why I do it. Plus force of habit.

    Quite often I write my articles out by hand with a pen and ink, on paper. Imagine that!

    I was taught italic handwriting and, to this day, still prefer ink to biros. And, as a result, my handwriting is gorgeous. When you're taught to write well it is easy to write both quickly and legibly.

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    Scott_P said:
    Hell of a lot of wishful thinking. Might be right, we don't know. But, there will be great disappointment in the FT if it isn't.
    Maybe wishful thinking on your part that it will be alright on the night? The FT exists to give information on which people base important financial decisions. Why would it be in their interest to take a partisan line? I can see why it is in your interest.
  • Pulpstar said:

    It's remarkable that just 5 weeks ago on 31 May, I was able to back the LibDems at 33/1 to win the most seats at the next GE. Their odds have since shortened dramatically with those nice folk at William Hill now offering only 9/1.

    Tipped up at 250-1 by Tissue Price :o
    Wow .... really? When was that?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Scott_P said:
    Hell of a lot of wishful thinking. Might be right, we don't know. But, there will be great disappointment in the FT if it isn't.
    Maybe wishful thinking on your part that it will be alright on the night? The FT exists to give information on which people base important financial decisions. Why would it be in their interest to take a partisan line? I can see why it is in your interest.
    They don't have an editorial stance on Brexit?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Eagles, bragging rights are delightful.

    Mr. Pulpstar, a remarkable tip. Never even saw it, alas.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    It's remarkable that just 5 weeks ago on 31 May, I was able to back the LibDems at 33/1 to win the most seats at the next GE. Their odds have since shortened dramatically with those nice folk at William Hill now offering only 9/1.

    Tipped up at 250-1 by Tissue Price :o
    Wow .... really? When was that?
    Paddy hasn't got a decent timestamp on the bet !

    After I backed Khan for £11.75 @ 4-11 London mayor and before I backed Kasich £1.25 @ 45-1 for GOP nominee with them.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Still annoys me that two massive Force India long shots should've come in a few years ago in Azerbaijan and a needless collision meant neither did.

    Humbug.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    Off topic: CLP AGM tonight. Your's truly is standing for an executive position...
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anorak said:

    Good article spoiled by the horrifying use of two spaces after each full stop.

    That’s what I was taught, years ago. When there were typewriters, not computers. Sorry!
    It is not a fault - text always lies better if you do that, even on computers. It's definitely easier to read when printed out.
    Thank you. That’s partly why I do it. Plus force of habit.

    Quite often I write my articles out by hand with a pen and ink, on paper. Imagine that!

    I was taught italic handwriting and, to this day, still prefer ink to biros. And, as a result, my handwriting is gorgeous. When you're taught to write well it is easy to write both quickly and legibly.

    If you are going to scribble, scribble big -- Harold Evans when editor of the Sunday Times, advising those of us with less neat handwriting.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    AndyJS said:

    If England knock out India at Edgbaston there could be a lot of tickets available for the final, provided the Indian fans who don't want to go return their tickets. A lot of Indian fans have bought tickets for both semi-finals to ensure they don't miss their team playing.

    There's still a small chance we might be playing Oz.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    Off topic: CLP AGM tonight. Your's truly is standing for an executive position...

    Now I’ve got visions of the Kama Sutra for Corbynites.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    Cyclefree said:



    Thank you. That’s partly why I do it. Plus force of habit.

    Quite often I write my articles out by hand with a pen and ink, on paper. Imagine that!

    I was taught italic handwriting and, to this day, still prefer ink to biros. And, as a result, my handwriting is gorgeous. When you're taught to write well it is easy to write both quickly and legibly.

    A...pen. That's, kind of, like a quill, only no bird was harmed?

    I persuaded my secondary school to let me type all my homework - they were resistant at first, but I pointed out that they wouldn't be able to read them if I didn't, and the Head said "Hmm, good point".
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Off topic: CLP AGM tonight. Your's truly is standing for an executive position...

    Best of luck!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    NEW THREAD

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    Today my wife and I made our decision on our votes and have returned them in the post this lunchtime.

    Hunt's ill advised comments on hunting have had a big consquence in our family, all of whom are implacably opposed to overturning the fox hunting ban, but do endorse drag hunting. It also raised the question in our mind about his competence when he fell in the trap when asked and confirming he would vote to repeal the act. It was an entirely avoidable position in so far as he could have simply said there are far more important issues and he would not re-open the matter

    We have not voted for him but had he not made those comments his 2 votes would be in the post now

    Turning to Boris and the alternatives, neither my wife or I could vote for Boris as we believe he is unreliable and overrated, though we do agree police numbers need increasing and we approve of his more liberal attitude to immigration

    We therefore marked our ballots 'Neither' and sent them in

    It is hugely disappointing to us that we could not vote for either candidate but we had no choice in the end

    Time will tell if Boris makes it but we did not want to have anything to do with voting him in.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:



    Thank you. That’s partly why I do it. Plus force of habit.

    Quite often I write my articles out by hand with a pen and ink, on paper. Imagine that!

    I was taught italic handwriting and, to this day, still prefer ink to biros. And, as a result, my handwriting is gorgeous. When you're taught to write well it is easy to write both quickly and legibly.

    A...pen. That's, kind of, like a quill, only no bird was harmed?

    I persuaded my secondary school to let me type all my homework - they were resistant at first, but I pointed out that they wouldn't be able to read them if I didn't, and the Head said "Hmm, good point".
    Dearie me.....

    If computers get switched off in post-Brexit Britain, what with us having no electricity an’ all, you’ll all be flocking to me to write out your billets doux, wills etc. My rates will be reasonable. :)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900


    Oops. Still an epic Sporting Sunday on the 14th.

    With the highlight the Grand Prix de Paris at Longchamp for the real sporting fans.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869

    Off topic: CLP AGM tonight. Your's truly is standing for an executive position...

    On a Friday?!
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anorak said:

    Good article spoiled by the horrifying use of two spaces after each full stop.

    That’s what I was taught, years ago. When there were typewriters, not computers. Sorry!
    It is not a fault - text always lies better if you do that, even on computers. It's definitely easier to read when printed out.
    Thank you. That’s partly why I do it. Plus force of habit.

    Quite often I write my articles out by hand with a pen and ink, on paper. Imagine that!

    I was taught italic handwriting and, to this day, still prefer ink to biros. And, as a result, my handwriting is gorgeous. When you're taught to write well it is easy to write both quickly and legibly.

    I'm so jealous ... I would so love to have had a really good hand, but after a lifetime's endeavour it's only passable at best. Probably on account of the fact that I was handicapped from the outset as a result of being left-handed, therefore pushing the pen rather than pulling it. although most of us overcome this problem by writing at an approx 45 degree slant to the vertical.
    Still I'm reliably informed that we lefties have six times the aptitude of right-handed folk for reading upside down. Very handy when being interviewed for a job or similarly across the desk when attending one's annual employment review.
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,019
    AnneJGP said:

    Nice article @Cyclefree but I'm afraid the call to be reasonable comes far too late; decades too late.


    The politicians have been ignoring the concerns about the EU held by a lot of people for too long. Sorry about that; genuinely sorry about that. I've been genuinely sorry about it for decades. It's not good for any of us.

    Good morning, everyone.

    What concerns are they, exactly?

    And no, I don't mean the Boris-in-Brussels lies peddled by the oligarchical press. I mean genuine issues.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Off topic: CLP AGM tonight. Your's truly is standing for an executive position...

    Good luck.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    Today my wife and I made our decision on our votes and have returned them in the post this lunchtime.

    Hunt's ill advised comments on hunting have had a big consquence in our family, all of whom are implacably opposed to overturning the fox hunting ban, but do endorse drag hunting. It also raised the question in our mind about his competence when he fell in the trap when asked and confirming he would vote to repeal the act. It was an entirely avoidable position in so far as he could have simply said there are far more important issues and he would not re-open the matter

    We have not voted for him but had he not made those comments his 2 votes would be in the post now

    Turning to Boris and the alternatives, neither my wife or I could vote for Boris as we believe he is unreliable and overrated, though we do agree police numbers need increasing and we approve of his more liberal attitude to immigration

    We therefore marked our ballots 'Neither' and sent them in

    It is hugely disappointing to us that we could not vote for either candidate but we had no choice in the end

    Time will tell if Boris makes it but we did not want to have anything to do with voting him in.

    Good for you. I won't be voting Labour or Conservative at the next election because I don't want a Johnson or Corbyn government on my conscience. I will probably sit it out as I did in 2017 but could well vote LD if they are still looking quite strong.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    AndyJS said:

    It's an inevitable result of the culture of "taking offence" that we're living through at the moment.

    That might be relevant but I don't know about inevitable.

    The reason I like David Lammy, for example, is not because he annoys Rod Liddle.

    (Although I will admit this is not a negative.)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Mango said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Nice article @Cyclefree but I'm afraid the call to be reasonable comes far too late; decades too late.


    The politicians have been ignoring the concerns about the EU held by a lot of people for too long. Sorry about that; genuinely sorry about that. I've been genuinely sorry about it for decades. It's not good for any of us.

    Good morning, everyone.

    What concerns are they, exactly?

    And no, I don't mean the Boris-in-Brussels lies peddled by the oligarchical press. I mean genuine issues.
    The slow creep towards a United States of Europe?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    IanB2 said:

    Off topic: CLP AGM tonight. Your's truly is standing for an executive position...

    On a Friday?!
    Good luck! I became CLP Chair last month (such power, and one so young). Gradually PB is taking over the Labour Party - like Momentum, but more secretive. :)
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