Yes, but at least with DA it would be only money that was lost. Patel seems to be proposing that the Birmingham Six should have been killed by the State as it would be a deterrent.*
* Presumably a deterrent from being Irish and living in the Birmingham area.
IH: are you saying they were guilty? PP: no IH: so they would be dead PP: no IH: well they would be! PP: the point is this about having a deterrent
Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane: te it down.
FFS. Whataboutery in the extreme.
I expect much better from you! Abbott is hopeless, but it was a maths cock up.
Patel is legitimising state-killing of innocent people, or would be, if she knew what she was talking about.
I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s pig thick, not evil. Suspect you are regretting going out to bat for her.
I don't regret going to bat for her, because I have done no such thing, I just don't see any evidence that she is "thick as pig shit"
Personally, I am divided on capital punishment. The state is happy to bomb innocents in foreign parts, women and children at weddings, so I do wonder at our liberal hand wringing when it comes to the state taking GUILTY lives in our own land, It feels hypocritical. Maybe even racist.
That said I am not in favour of the death penalty, on the whole. It coarsens society. And life meaning life - until you die - is also a grave and severe deterrent, without the horror of wrongful state murder.
It’s to do with the rights of the state
They have no authority to execute its citizens (it upends the power relationship). But force projection on our behalf is quite properly part of its role
IH: are you saying they were guilty? PP: no IH: so they would be dead PP: no IH: well they would be! PP: the point is this about having a deterrent
Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane: te it down.
FFS. Whataboutery in the extreme.
I expect much better from you! Abbott is hopeless, but it was a maths cock up.
Patel is legitimising state-killing of innocent people, or would be, if she knew what she was talking about.
I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s pig thick, not evil. Suspect you are regretting going out to bat for her.
I don't regret going to bat for her, because I have done no such thing, I just don't see any evidence that she is "thick as pig shit"
Personally, I am divided on capital punishment. The state is happy to bomb innocents in foreign parts, women and children at weddings, so I do wonder at our liberal hand wringing when it comes to the state taking GUILTY lives in our own land, It feels hypocritical. Maybe even racist.
That said I am not in favour of the death penalty, on the whole. It coarsens society. And life meaning life - until you die - is also a grave and severe deterrent, without the horror of wrongful state murder.
We’ll agree to disagree about Patel. But your final paragraph is erudite and thoughtful.
IH: are you saying they were guilty? PP: no IH: so they would be dead PP: no IH: well they would be! PP: the point is this about having a deterrent
Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane: te it down.
FFS. Whataboutery in the extreme.
I expect much better from you! Abbott is hopeless, but it was a maths cock up.
Patel is legitimising state-killing of innocent people, or would be, if she knew what she was talking about.
I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s pig thick, not evil. Suspect you are regretting going out to bat for her.
I don't regret going to bat for her, because I have done no such thing, I just don't see any evidence that she is "thick as pig shit"
Personally, I am divided on capital punishment. The state is happy to bomb innocents in foreign parts, women and children at weddings, so I do wonder at our liberal hand wringing when it comes to the state taking GUILTY lives in our own land, It feels hypocritical. Maybe even racist.
That said I am not in favour of the death penalty, on the whole. It coarsens society. And life meaning life - until you die - is also a grave and severe deterrent, without the horror of wrongful state murder.
It’s to do with the rights of the state
They have no authority to execute its citizens (it upends the power relationship). But force projection on our behalf is quite properly part of its role
Yet we will drone British subjects to death - without trial - in foreign climes, but when they come home we are too fastidious to execute them AFTER a fair trial?
You can understand why some view this as ludicrous moral posturing.
That C2 level looks a bit low and the AB level looks a bit high if the Brexit Party lead with those earning £21k to £41k and do worst with voters earning over £62k.
The Ind in this case was a former Con (in fairness they also used to be LD, but were Con most recently) who was a close friend of the Con incumbent who died to create the vacancy and who had held the area for 40+ years, and ran on the basis their friend really wanted them to be the Con candidate, but they were not selected, it was all over their literature.
That C2 level looks a bit low and the AB level looks a bit high if the Brexit Party lead with those earning £21k to £41k and do worst with voters earning over £62k.
Otherwise looks about right
A/B may be right. Don't forget 50% of the Tory party or thereabouts decamped to BXP this time.
The Ind in this case was a former Con (in fairness they also used to be LD, but were Con most recently) who was a close friend of the Con incumbent who died to create the vacancy and who had held the area for 40+ years, and ran on the basis their friend really wanted them to be the Con candidate, but they were not selected, it was all over their literature.
Big for the town council too if the LDs won that (it was a different candidate for that), since Con were reliant on an Ind for control, and another town by-election both LD and Con stepped aside for a Ind vs Lab fight.
That C2 level looks a bit low and the AB level looks a bit high if the Brexit Party lead with those earning £21k to £41k and do worst with voters earning over £62k.
Otherwise looks about right
A/B may be right. Don't forget 50% of the Tory party or thereabouts decamped to BXP this time.
Given the Brexit Party is on only 13% with those on £41k to £62k and just 7% with over £62k and only 25% with graduates and 7% with postgraduates it would have to be overwhelmingly AB pensioners then
The Ind in this case was a former Con (in fairness they also used to be LD, but were Con most recently) who was a close friend of the Con incumbent who died to create the vacancy and who had held the area for 40+ years, and ran on the basis their friend really wanted them to be the Con candidate, but they were not selected, it was all over their literature.
The Ind in this case was a former Con (in fairness they also used to be LD, but were Con most recently) who was a close friend of the Con incumbent who died to create the vacancy and who had held the area for 40+ years, and ran on the basis their friend really wanted them to be the Con candidate, but they were not selected, it was all over their literature.
Sounds a touch entitled.
Whatever the case the most Conservative ward in the town now has a LD councillor. There was also a controversial and very unpopular decision on a local matter taken by the council recently, which combined with the national woes will not have helped no doubt.
If Warren wins Iowa, then she likely wins New Hampshire and is probably then nominee through momentum alone, though Harris and Biden might battle it out in South Carolina.
If Warren beats Biden for the Democratic nomination the main winner out of that is President Trump, the only candidate his team really fears is Biden
If Warren wins Iowa, then she likely wins New Hampshire and is probably then nominee through momentum alone, though Harris and Biden might battle it out in South Carolina.
If Warren beats Biden for the Democratic nomination the main winner out of that is President Trump, the only candidate his team really fears is Biden
I agree on Biden.
But don't forget CA is a much earlier primary this year and anyway some think it will end up going all the way to split convention.
Just put the latest YouGov Scotland sub-sample through Baxter, and Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire got:
Lib Dem 44% SNP 37% Brx 8% Grn 6% Con 4% Lab 1%
While large doses of salt are needed, it is astonishing to think that both Con and Lab have held this area quite recently, and both are now in lost deposit territory.
More likely an illustration of why UNS no longer works as a model.
On the sort of swings we are seeing now, there will likely be seats where the projected vote share is actually negative. Even Corbyn won’t go that low.
So, I'm sure some of you will be getting concerned about my B&R book.
Farage's comments on Peston - "this is a safe lib dem seat" (well it wasn't until he started his new party) - encouraged me to even my book up a bit so I'm now-
Con +162 LD -28 Lab/others -102 Brexit +8
So I'm still in Verstappen territory.
Sorry for being crap - I blame my barbaric medication regime.
So, following my recent shenanigans, Ms Brisk has capped me at 10 GDP unless I provide her with a dossier of proposed bet that she agrees with. I think this is a good thing.
Just put the latest YouGov Scotland sub-sample through Baxter, and Jo Swinson’s East Dunbartonshire got:
Lib Dem 44% SNP 37% Brx 8% Grn 6% Con 4% Lab 1%
While large doses of salt are needed, it is astonishing to think that both Con and Lab have held this area quite recently, and both are now in lost deposit territory.
More likely an illustration of why UNS no longer works as a model.
On the sort of swings we are seeing now, there will likely be seats where the projected vote share is actually negative. Even Corbyn won’t go that low.
Baxter does not use UNS.
If you look at the explanation and graphs on their website, it is very close to it. Their “strong transition model” mirrors UNS except at very low vote shares, where it contains a tweak to avoid vote share going below zero.
If Warren wins Iowa, then she likely wins New Hampshire and is probably then nominee through momentum alone, though Harris and Biden might battle it out in South Carolina.
If Warren beats Biden for the Democratic nomination the main winner out of that is President Trump, the only candidate his team really fears is Biden
That C2 level looks a bit low and the AB level looks a bit high if the Brexit Party lead with those earning £21k to £41k and do worst with voters earning over £62k.
Otherwise looks about right
A/B may be right. Don't forget 50% of the Tory party or thereabouts decamped to BXP this time.
Given the Brexit Party is on only 13% with those on £41k to £62k and just 7% with over £62k and only 25% with graduates and 7% with postgraduates it would have to be overwhelmingly AB pensioners then
That depends on the breakdown of the population as a whole. What you are looking at in that graph is - as it says - the BXP support broken down by various demographics, not the level of BXP support within each demographic.
If Warren wins Iowa, then she likely wins New Hampshire and is probably then nominee through momentum alone, though Harris and Biden might battle it out in South Carolina.
If Warren beats Biden for the Democratic nomination the main winner out of that is President Trump, the only candidate his team really fears is Biden
Sleepy gaffe prone Joe who'd be 77 is the dream opponent for Trump. He is past it as we saw in last week's debates.
Biden is a serial failure in White House races having flopped twice before. Look at the form book. He is crap as we are seeing.
The early polllng relying strongly on name recognition is now unfolding as the race gets serious.
If Warren wins Iowa, then she likely wins New Hampshire and is probably then nominee through momentum alone, though Harris and Biden might battle it out in South Carolina.
If Warren beats Biden for the Democratic nomination the main winner out of that is President Trump, the only candidate his team really fears is Biden
Sleepy gaffe prone Joe who'd be 77 is the dream opponent for Trump. He is past it as we saw in last week's debates.
Biden is a serial failure in White House races having flopped twice before. Look at the form book. He is crap as we are seeing.
The early polllng relying strongly on name recognition is now unfolding as the race gets serious.
Agreed. The idea that Trump fears Biden is laughable.
I think most of all he fears Warren. I think she'd make a big thing of locking people like Trump up.
He needs to button his shirt up but Martin Lewis seems a very bright chap.
He offers lots of financial advice to listeners of Radio Five Live on a regular basis.
I’m not familiar with him or his show - seems an impressive guy.
Founder of money supermarket
(He founded Money Saving Expert, which was then sold to - I think - Money Supermarket.)
Yep - Money Super Market bought it as something like 60% of all commission their were paying out went to him and it was cheaper to buy MSE while offering full editorial Independence than to continue paying him..
Probably about right. Hunt's stupid hunting pledge may have killed his campaign and Boris seems to have gone back into purdah, speaking through proxies so anything that plays badly can be denied.
Ummm: that chart shows that Labour has lost almost equal numbers of Remain and Leave voters.
Oh my, what a comment to make at this time of day. Happy Fourth of July Robert!
Yes, it would appear from that chart that Labour really doesn't have many more Leavers left to lose. It would probably be better off trying to retain the larger number of Remainers, although to be honest it is so late in the day that a change of policy is unlikely to have much effect now.
It wasnt that unexpected a gain for the LDs - Lab being second before was an aberration as the town itself has been LD before and lab weak, and a well known former Con stood as Ind. I'd still have had Con as favourites but either LD or Ind getting in would not have been massively surprising. But they did still need a big rise in their vote, it is true.
I expect much better from you! Abbott is hopeless, but it was a maths cock up.
Patel is legitimising state-killing of innocent people, or would be, if she knew what she was talking about.
I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s pig thick, not evil. Suspect you are regretting going out to bat for her.
I don't regret going to bat for her, because I have done no such thing, I just don't see any evidence that she is "thick as pig shit"
Personally, I am divided on capital punishment. The state is happy to bomb innocents in foreign parts, women and children at weddings, so I do wonder at our liberal hand wringing when it comes to the state taking GUILTY lives in our own land, It feels hypocritical. Maybe even racist.
That said I am not in favour of the death penalty, on the whole. It coarsens society. And life meaning life - until you die - is also a grave and severe deterrent, without the horror of wrongful state murder.
It’s to do with the rights of the state
They have no authority to execute its citizens (it upends the power relationship). But force projection on our behalf is quite properly part of its role
Yet we will drone British subjects to death - without trial - in foreign climes, but when they come home we are too fastidious to execute them AFTER a fair trial?
You can understand why some view this as ludicrous moral posturing.
There’s no morality question
The state is an artificial construction by citizens in order to provide benefits that are better delivered together than independently.
If someone doesn’t want to abide by the rules of the community then they can be excluded from it (either externally via exile - these days removal of citizenship - or internally via deprivation of liberty for a defined period)
If the state has the right to remove life from its own citizens then it is no longer a construct of the citizens but has create its own authority.
One of its roles is to defend the people from threats of force. If someone is in a war zone fighting against the U.K. in a military context then, just, violence may be acceptable
It wasnt that unexpected a gain for the LDs - Lab being second before was an aberration as the town itself has been LD before and lab weak, and a well known former Con stood as Ind. I'd still have had Con as favourites but either LD or Ind getting in would not have been massively surprising. But they did still need a big rise in their vote, it is true.
Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.
Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.
Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
Coming from somebody who appears to be unable to use passwords, yet has an unwavering sense of superiority and would clearly believe that they were the cleverest person in the room under any circumstances, you’re on weak ground throwing accusations.
It wasnt that unexpected a gain for the LDs - Lab being second before was an aberration as the town itself has been LD before and lab weak, and a well known former Con stood as Ind. I'd still have had Con as favourites but either LD or Ind getting in would not have been massively surprising. But they did still need a big rise in their vote, it is true.
Yes, as I said. Former con split the vote (plus some local decisions not to their advantage) and a good performance by LD. It was not the likeliest outcome given where Con started, but it was always seen as winnable this time around.
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Ed Davey a trendsetter ?
Ranting about stretch limos for Jean Claude-Junker, seems a bit crackers to me.
They have no authority to execute its citizens (it upends the power relationship). But force projection on our behalf is quite properly part of its role
You can understand why some view this as ludicrous moral posturing.
Plaid 404
Lab 266
Con 145
LD 127
Communist 18
PC gain from Lab
Thx
Otherwise looks about right
Fat doesn’t make you fat. Sugar makes you fat. And obesity kills. Saddened to see fat children at my son’s school - it’s child abuse by diet.
The Ind in this case was a former Con (in fairness they also used to be LD, but were Con most recently) who was a close friend of the Con incumbent who died to create the vacancy and who had held the area for 40+ years, and ran on the basis their friend really wanted them to be the Con candidate, but they were not selected, it was all over their literature.
Britain Elects
@britainelects
Trowbridge Drynham (Wiltshire) result:
LDEM: 41.6% (+28.4)
CON: 30.5% (-35.8)
IND: 23.7% (+23.7)
LAB: 4.2% (-16.3)
Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservatives
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125574963
The EU is not about aggrandizing itself, it is about peace and prosperity in europe.
But, as usual, he played to the populist gallery and they clapped.
Well, it's a point of view I suppose.
Blip or problem for those us well green on Biden?
If Warren beats Biden for the Democratic nomination the main winner out of that is President Trump, the only candidate his team really fears is Biden
But don't forget CA is a much earlier primary this year and anyway some think it will end up going all the way to split convention.
I just did.
Whatever your views, this will be long and a rollercoaster. Those numbers could be very low in a month's time. DYOR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1146924256715919360?s=21
So, I'm sure some of you will be getting concerned about my B&R book.
Farage's comments on Peston - "this is a safe lib dem seat" (well it wasn't until he started his new party) - encouraged me to even my book up a bit so I'm now-
Con +162
LD -28
Lab/others -102
Brexit +8
So I'm still in Verstappen territory.
Sorry for being crap - I blame my barbaric medication regime.
So, following my recent shenanigans, Ms Brisk has capped me at 10 GDP unless I provide her with a dossier of proposed bet that she agrees with. I think this is a good thing.
Welsh Labour heading the same way as Scottish Labour?
Biden is a serial failure in White House races having flopped twice before. Look at the form book. He is crap as we are seeing.
The early polllng relying strongly on name recognition is now unfolding as the race gets serious.
I think most of all he fears Warren. I think she'd make a big thing of locking people like Trump up.
Edit to add: when I wrote Warren, i meant Harris
https://twitter.com/britainelects
Interesting BBC headline on the website, about May trying to restrict Boris' access to intelligence (ahem, make your own jokes).
As interesting as the impact upon the leadership election (which, sadly, I think will be near zero) is that she thought to do that, but not fire him.
Not that this will bother the likes of Bastani because wining an election is the last thing they want
LDEM: 41.6% (+28.4)
CON: 30.5% (-35.8)
IND: 23.7% (+23.7)
LAB: 4.2% (-16.3)
Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.
Nice weather for it too.