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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Yougov is only one poll. But on face of it, Tory members are about to saddle themselves with an even bigger albatross than I thought.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Congrats! I was 23.5 stone at the start of April, and am now 5.5 stone lighter by the same method. Only 6 stone to go...
    Well done
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Indeed it would. Whatever Corbyn might want, surely there is no way Labour allow their policy not to change to avoid that scenario?
    Swinson PM with supply and confidence from whoever wins the immediate Labour leadership contest I think in that scenario.
    What happens when the SNP demand the referendum as their price for joining in the fun...
    Swinson could find herself without a constituency...
    On those numbers LD with lab support have 376 seats between them, so no need for SNP support.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131
    eristdoof said:

    felix said:

    For the Tories - and effectively everyone else GE predictions based on current polling mean very little. As before everything depends mainly on the Brexit position after October - under either Boris or James. The other potential 'event' is with Corbyn - one finally senses that power may be ebbing away from him - and surely a more centrist Labour party would probably win.

    "under either Boris or James" Do you mean James Hunt? The late 70's F1 World Champ?
    There is no way, in any conceivable universe, that Boris Johnson is comparable to Niki Lauda. Except in the broad sense of "You see that Boris Johnson? Well, he's nowhere near as good as Niki Lauda. Like not even slightly."

    [Sorry. ""Rush" is one of my favourite films... :) ]
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Bloody fire hell that is some serious amount of weight in a very short period of time.
    Sudden weight loss often follows cutting your toenails with a scythe (ht Nursie in Blackadder)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    No

    Have been having replacement double glazed units fitted fo 8 that have misted and late pm was the only time the glazers could do it



    Top notch windows or an evening with Boris.

    A finely balanced decision but I think you have called it right.

    Toenails can wait.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    If you can, swimming helps. Your local council will have sessions where they lane off part of the pool and let people who aren't very fit swim up and down undisturbed by other people in the pool. It is a great way to lose weight and given your age and the more limited joint mobility of older people, it may be one of the better exercises for you. But check with your doctor.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    "That was a brilliant debate performance"

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1144634242514636806
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    kinabalu said:

    No

    Have been having replacement double glazed units fitted fo 8 that have misted and late pm was the only time the glazers could do it



    Top notch windows or an evening with Boris.

    A finely balanced decision but I think you have called it right.

    Toenails can wait.
    To be honest I was tempted to go but did not want to stop the glazing

    If he becomes PM I will seek a private audience
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    If you can, swimming helps. Your local council will have sessions where they lane off part of the pool and let people who aren't very fit swim up and down undisturbed by other people in the pool. It is a great way to lose weight and given your age and the more limited joint mobility of older people, it may be one of the better exercises for you. But check with your doctor.
    Yes - after I retired I did go swimming but recently my mobility has not been too great so have stepped up exercise by remodelling the garden

    I do agree though
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Called tea in my childhood home, and there is no way on God's green earth it could be described as working class.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    "That was a brilliant debate performance"

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1144634242514636806

    By a strange quirk of history, Frank Luntz was at Oxford and saw Boris campaigning to be president of the union.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    I do not think too much of class to be honest
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,597

    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Congrats! I was 23.5 stone at the start of April, and am now 5.5 stone lighter by the same method. Only 6 stone to go...
    Well done
    I worked out that I must've been consuming about 5000kcal a day just in bread-products.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    If labour had a sensible leader instead of the unelectable Corbyn, brexit would be over
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Called tea in my childhood home, and there is no way on God's green earth it could be described as working class.
    Always 'tea' in my Northern middle class home in childhood.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    I'm on a general weight loss/fitness kick. Am curious to see which I'll hit first,

    32" waist, 2 hr half marathon or my recommended for my height BMI of 85.6 Kg (185 cm).
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,131

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    "Tea" is the meal you eat between 5 and 8
    "Dinner" is the meal you have around noon
    "Breakfast" is the cereal you eat before you go to work/school
    "Supper" is the cereal you have before you go to bed
    And everybody else is wrong, wrong, wrong. :)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Called tea in my childhood home, and there is no way on God's green earth it could be described as working class.
    Always 'tea' in my Northern middle class home in childhood.
    Northerners are uncultured.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    edited June 2019
    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Called tea in my childhood home, and there is no way on God's green earth it could be described as working class.
    Tea is something you have at 4pm with cakes and biscuits.

    Supper is the family evening meal at about 7pm.

    Tea is what the working classes call their main evening meal because they used to clock off straight after 5.30pm come home and have something hot with a cup of tea about 6pm.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    I honestly would die laughing if that came to pass.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    Labour as junior coalition partner?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    eristdoof said:

    felix said:

    For the Tories - and effectively everyone else GE predictions based on current polling mean very little. As before everything depends mainly on the Brexit position after October - under either Boris or James. The other potential 'event' is with Corbyn - one finally senses that power may be ebbing away from him - and surely a more centrist Labour party would probably win.

    "under either Boris or James" Do you mean James Hunt? The late 70's F1 World Champ?
    It's hot I've not been well - go figure....
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    "Tea" is the meal you eat between 5 and 8
    "Dinner" is the meal you have around noon
    "Breakfast" is the cereal you eat before you go to work/school
    "Supper" is the cereal you have before you go to bed
    And everybody else is wrong, wrong, wrong. :)
    Oh dear oh dear oh dear 😉
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    Are you rapping too much?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    Are you particularly short ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    edited June 2019

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    If labour had a sensible leader instead of the unelectable Corbyn, brexit would be over
    This. 100 x :+1:

    I am beyond angry with the idiots in the Labour membership who have saddled the country with this LOTO.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    A badge of honour!

    Nearly everyone agrees that breakfast is the first meal of the day. The confusion sets in after elevenses or mid-morning coffee and biscuits.

    If you are a member of the lower classes or live outside London and the south-east, the midday meal is called dinner and is often the main meal of the day. But for the upper classes and metropolitans, the midday meal is called lunch and is usually quite light unless taken in a restaurant with friends or business associates.

    In the evening, the lower classes and northerners come home from work, school or shopping and sit down to another fairly substantial meal called tea at about 6pm. However, the upper classes and southerners eat later and the meal they eat, called dinner, tends to be the main meal of the day.
    https://www.ft.com/tour.

    https://www.ft.com/content/cddae7d0-552b-11db-acba-0000779e2340

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Messrs G and Adams, those are some well impressive weight losses, of which you can be rightly proud! Do keep it up!
    Oh and it was dinner for me at midday in Lancashire, but up here in the far North of Geaordieland it is lunch.
    But, in both cases it is tea, of course.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    I dream of being in a position of trying to gain weight!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Nabavi, I'd like to weigh more. Between 8.5 and 9st currently.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    I honestly would die laughing if that came to pass.
    And just think of all the threads we could have on PR.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    If your midday meal is in a bag is that a packed dinner?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    Tea is something you drink.

    I speak for the Northern working classes.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    edited June 2019
    dixiedean said:

    Messrs G and Adams, those are some well impressive weight losses, of which you can be rightly proud! Do keep it up!
    Oh and it was dinner for me at midday in Lancashire, but up here in the far North of Geaordieland it is lunch.
    But, in both cases it is tea, of course.

    Thank you

    My paternal family all came from Rochdale and Bolton and it was always tea

    And I am set in my new diet and intend keeping to it.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    These what if polls are about as useless as the rest:

    There's another YG with the Tories well ahead.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,572
    kinabalu said:

    If your midday meal is in a bag is that a packed dinner?

    Dear me no. It's a pack-up or snap. :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    No one likes a show off....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,900
    Afternoon all :)

    There's plenty of evidence "strong" men (whether it would be true of women I don't know) have plenty in common even if supposedly coming from different ideologies. The relations between high-ranking Nazis and Soviet sin the period 1939-41 were extremely cordial - those who worked for the likes of Himmler, Heydrich and Beria recognised and understood each other's methods and learnt from each other.

    The ideology of terror is and has been similar the world over and the issues of authoritarian dictatorship common whatever the nature of the regime. I'm less surprised the likes of Trump, Putin, Xi Jingping and Kim Jong-Un get on well personally even if their officials don't.

    The commonality of power and the desire to maintain that power overcomes all ideology and, by the way, it's true within democracies too. Parties will perform any and every volte face possible to remain in power.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Eagles, thou art a jester.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    Scott_P said:
    If, as and when Williamson goes, the clear target will be an allotment lover from Islington - Williamson is the firewall, the longer the cult can keep him around, the longer JC is afforded a little protection. Once he is gone, there can only be one target. No wonder JC is doing everything possible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    Now avocado on toast isn't cool anymore, make it you breakfast.
    Pretty good with freshly baked bread and a bit of balsamic vinegar and olive oil dressing.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    I honestly would die laughing if that came to pass.
    Other predicted notable casualties include:

    David Lidington, Graham Brady, Jess Phillips, Dennis Skinner, Caroline Lucas, Anna Soubry (though her seat would be won by the Lib Dems), IDS, Theresa Villiers, Ed Miliband, Chris Grayling, Emily Thornberry, Keir Starmer, Yvette Cooper, Kenneth Clarke, Liam Fox, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Esther McVey and Steve Baker.

    All three Brighton seats would go to the Lib Dems, as would both Bournemouth seats.

    It would make "were you up for Portillo?" look humdrum.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Well south africa have just walloped sri lanka.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    edited June 2019

    MikeL said:

    New Statesman has an interesting YouGov "what if" Autumn GE poll:

    Scenario: Boris leading Con with policy "No deal if necessary". All other parties' policies and leaders as at present (Swinson LD leader).

    Result: LD 30, Con 24, BRX 19, Lab 17.

    What a result that would be!

    Electoral Calculus predicts that would result in:

    Lib Dems 262
    Cons 129
    Lab 114
    Brexit 83
    SNP 41

    Individual constituency results include Brexit taking Torfaen and Derbyshire North East and the Lib Dems taking Thanet South and Crewe & Nantwich. Oh, and the Lib Dems taking Islington North.
    I honestly would die laughing if that came to pass.
    Other predicted notable casualties include:

    David Lidington, Graham Brady, Jess Phillips, Dennis Skinner, Caroline Lucas, Anna Soubry (though her seat would be won by the Lib Dems), IDS, Theresa Villiers, Ed Miliband, Chris Grayling, Emily Thornberry, Keir Starmer, Yvette Cooper, Kenneth Clarke, Liam Fox, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Esther McVey and Steve Baker.

    All three Brighton seats would go to the Lib Dems, as would both Bournemouth seats.

    It would make "were you up for Portillo?" look humdrum.
    Ken's not running again.

    Probably hold his seat even on those figures, if he were.
  • Well south africa have just walloped sri lanka.

    Yup - thanks for the tip guys
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Scott_P said:
    If, as and when Williamson goes, the clear target will be an allotment lover from Islington - Williamson is the firewall, the longer the cult can keep him around, the longer JC is afforded a little protection. Once he is gone, there can only be one target. No wonder JC is doing everything possible.
    The complaint is that Corbyn isn't interfering in the disciplinary process, confusing from the headlines I realise...

    As for another leadership contest I don't think there are enough Labour MPs who are stupid enough to think it would work.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Be careful or HYUFD will brand you basically a Lib Dem.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    Scott_P said:
    If, as and when Williamson goes, the clear target will be an allotment lover from Islington - Williamson is the firewall, the longer the cult can keep him around, the longer JC is afforded a little protection. Once he is gone, there can only be one target. No wonder JC is doing everything possible.
    The complaint is that Corbyn isn't interfering in the disciplinary process, confusing from the headlines I realise...

    As for another leadership contest I don't think there are enough Labour MPs who are stupid enough to think it would work.
    So long as labour mps are 'stupid', so the party will collapse under the awfulness of Corbyn and his cabal
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Be careful or HYUFD will brand you basically a Lib Dem.
    He already has with me despite 55 years of service to the conservative party apart from two votes for Blair when the party was exhausted
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited June 2019
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    "Tea" is the meal you eat between 5 and 8
    "Dinner" is the meal you have around noon
    "Breakfast" is the cereal you eat before you go to work/school
    "Supper" is the cereal you have before you go to bed
    And everybody else is wrong, wrong, wrong. :)
    "Dinner" is your largest meal of the day, whenever it takes place.
    Breakfasttime, Lunchtime and Teattime are the common periods when Dinner would be eaten, mostly only the last two. So your Dinner might also be your lunch, or your tea.

    And you, sir, are the wrong one!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842

    Scott_P said:
    If, as and when Williamson goes, the clear target will be an allotment lover from Islington - Williamson is the firewall, the longer the cult can keep him around, the longer JC is afforded a little protection. Once he is gone, there can only be one target. No wonder JC is doing everything possible.
    The complaint is that Corbyn isn't interfering in the disciplinary process, confusing from the headlines I realise...

    As for another leadership contest I don't think there are enough Labour MPs who are stupid enough to think it would work.
    This isn't about the specifics of the case or a leadership contest

    At the moment, Williamson is a very easy human shield to keep around. He is attracting much of the direct fire. Once he is gone, who else can Corbyn put up? No-one.

    That is why the fight to keep him is real. Corbyn knows that without him, the focus will be on him and only him - unless he can find another (which could be Russell-Moyle - but wouldn't last long in the role)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    PBers generally a sedentary bunch who are thus more likely to put on weight? It doesn't make sense to me either.

    I've put a stone back on after losing 3.5, I do need to start being more disciplined. Hey, I did just go for a quick jog in the sweltering heat. I like to do shortish bursts.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,842
    It is quite close to the Galloway is back/now he's gone again shenanigans..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Without being funny, as Williamson is one of the few MPs who would indeed be a worse leader than any others in the Commons, is it procedurally fair on him to have it restored, then withdrawn for the offence he was just given a warning about?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    edited June 2019
    kle4 said:

    Without being funny, as Williamson is one of the few MPs who would indeed be a worse leader than any others in the Commons, is it procedurally fair on him to have it restored, then withdrawn for the offence he was just given a warning about?
    More to the point. Vaz wanted him to regain the Whip as MPs only have two weeks to announce they want to be reselected for GE.

    Williamson can't if he has not got the Whip iirc.

    Great news for the rest of the country. Terrible for anti-Semites everywhere.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798

    Pulpstar said:

    kinabalu said:

    I was invited to meet Boris at a meeting on the Welsh borders tonight but am not able to go

    Cutting your toenails?
    If you knew Big_G better you'd know he has faced recent health challenges and an apology would set you in good light.

    Up to you.
    That is very kind of you and I can report that I have lost 14 kgs (2.20 stone) in the last 9 weeks and now feel much fitter, am controlling my diabetes, and am near the weight I was last at in my teens, 60 years ago

    It has required a complete change in diet but was no more difficult than stopping smoking 15 years ago
    Well done Big_G. Highly impressive weight figures.
    Thank you so much. Stopped all bread, cakes, choc biscs, chocs, all fizzy drinks and ate much smaller portions, including soup plus yogurt only teas 3 days a week

    I do like all fruit and veg and it helps greatly
    You mean supper.

    Only the working class call it tea.
    Called tea in my childhood home, and there is no way on God's green earth it could be described as working class.
    Tea is something you have at 4pm with cakes and biscuits.

    Supper is the family evening meal at about 7pm.

    Tea is what the working classes call their main evening meal because they used to clock off straight after 5.30pm come home and have something hot with a cup of tea about 6pm.
    Dinner is the only acceptable name for the evening meal. Supper is for posh twats, tea is a bit common.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Labour MP Chris Williamson remains suspended after controversial readmission"

    https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-chris-williamson-remains-suspended-after-controversial-readmission-11750930
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Boy, it's tea.

    Dinner's at or around midday.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    kle4 said:

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    PBers generally a sedentary bunch who are thus more likely to put on weight? It doesn't make sense to me either.

    I've put a stone back on after losing 3.5, I do need to start being more disciplined. Hey, I did just go for a quick jog in the sweltering heat. I like to do shortish bursts.
    That's not fair. I go to the gym three or four times a week. But I like chocolate and wine too much.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    Labour as junior coalition partner?


    LibDem/BXP coalition, clearly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    It always seems odd that the SW is so Brexity, yet also so amenable to the LDs in these scenarios.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    RobD said:
    The scenario is to scare Corbyn into coming fully off the fence. Will it finally work?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    kle4 said:

    It always seems odd that the SW is so Brexity, yet also so amenable to the LDs in these scenarios.
    That might tell you a bit about how good the prediction is. :p
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2019

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    Most people would be delighted to be 10 stones. I certainly would.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    kle4 said:

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    PBers generally a sedentary bunch who are thus more likely to put on weight? It doesn't make sense to me either.

    I've put a stone back on after losing 3.5, I do need to start being more disciplined. Hey, I did just go for a quick jog in the sweltering heat. I like to do shortish bursts.
    That's not fair. I go to the gym three or four times a week. But I like chocolate and wine too much.
    One has to have at least one vice. If it must be food, there are worse ones to have.

    I do hate exercise though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679

    NEW THREAD

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    AndyJS said:

    Am I the only PBer who is trying to gain weight? Just under 10 stone and I'd really like to be 8lbs heavier.

    Most people would be delighted to be 10 stones. I certainly would.
    No thanks, that would be overshoot.

    But the secret of losing weight is big lunch, no (or little) dinner.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    I should probably know this seeing as I'm betting on the thing but what was "bussing".

    & Was it a good or a bad thing ?

    Enforcing Desegregation of schools by putting kids in buses and driving them around
  • TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Scott_P said:
    If, as and when Williamson goes, the clear target will be an allotment lover from Islington - Williamson is the firewall, the longer the cult can keep him around, the longer JC is afforded a little protection. Once he is gone, there can only be one target. No wonder JC is doing everything possible.
    The complaint is that Corbyn isn't interfering in the disciplinary process, confusing from the headlines I realise...

    As for another leadership contest I don't think there are enough Labour MPs who are stupid enough to think it would work.
    This isn't about the specifics of the case or a leadership contest

    At the moment, Williamson is a very easy human shield to keep around. He is attracting much of the direct fire. Once he is gone, who else can Corbyn put up? No-one.

    That is why the fight to keep him is real. Corbyn knows that without him, the focus will be on him and only him - unless he can find another (which could be Russell-Moyle - but wouldn't last long in the role)
    The focus has been on Corbyn for years, the Labour members don't really care what the right wing press claim, they actively dislike the likes of the Mail and the Sun. Corbyn would walk another contest with the members, which is why another coup is a non starter.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Mr. Boy, it's tea.

    Dinner's at or around midday.

    Peasant .... :smiley:

    Then there is afternoon tea and high tea.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Ladies who dinner.

    Dinner is for wimps.

    Linford Christie's dinnerbox.

    No it just doesn't work.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    AndyJS said:

    "Labour MP Chris Williamson remains suspended after controversial readmission"

    https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-chris-williamson-remains-suspended-after-controversial-readmission-11750930

    So, you can be re-admitted and suspended at the same time? Okay, I see.
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