If BXP stand in Brecon & Radnor, is it possible Tories could slip to 3rd place?
I don't think fascism is very popular in Wales, oh hang on there was Neil cash for questions thingyjig.
Oh, that is disappointing. Good that you are owning up to what the Brexit Party actually is though. At least you are honest about it.
I ignore your ridiculous F words. The chance of allowing you to try and make that imbecilic point was worth it to put you right.
Once again, anyone who thinks Brexit is a good idea accusing anyone of being imbecilic is rich in irony. Fascism is anything but ridiculous though. Repulsive, yes, ridiculous no. You might want to call divisive nationalism that is led by an egotistical zealot something different. I call it what it is, an unpleasant regressive doctrine that causes hatred, and it used to be known as fascism. In the UK it is now called the Brexit Party, or Faragism.
Let's be honest you're a cretinous troll who thinks everyone to the right of Corbyn is a fascist. I'm delighted over half the country disagree with you because otherwise we would be in a right state. Enjoy the Conservative Government
haha. I am a Tory ex-Party activist you blinkered plonker. Once again, any Brexit fantasist calling anyone "cretinous" or imbecilic is ironic in the extreme as you follow an imbecilic creed. I am a Conservative centrist and fascist loather. I detest Corbyn, but I equally find I find the lurch to the extreme right in the Conservative Party extremely dumb, and I have met plenty of swivel eyed nutters like you in the party who have as much understanding of the matters that they pontificate on as the average amoeba. The ascendency of the puerile views that you represent is why I will probably change my party allegiance, which I am sure you might be pleased at as you would like the Conservative party to become Brexit National Party Lite. One day the country will grow up, and realise that basing foreign policy on the views of people who read too many war comics is not advisable.
You do see fascists under the bed in the Conservative Party.
TalkRadio have released an official transcript. Here is the bus bit. Not quite same as the text I quoted earlier. To be fair to Boris looks like he didn't actually say "I don't mean buses".
RK: Very quick stuff on your, on your, on your personal lifestyle. What do you do to relax? What do you do to switch off?
BJ: I like to paint. I make things.
RK: What do you make?
BJ: I make, I have a thing where I make models of... When I was mayor of London... I make, buses.
RK: You make models of busses?
BJ: I make models of busses.
RK: So they're going to be in Downing Street?
BJ: I get, I get old, um, wooden crates, right? And I paint them and they have to contain two wine bottles. And it will have a dividing thing. And I turn it into a bus and I put passengers... yu really want to do this?
RK: You're making buses, you're making cardboard buses. Okay. That's what you do to enjoy yourself.
BJ: No, I paint the passengers enjoying themselves.
RK: Okay, great.
BJ: On a wonderful bus. Low carbon of a kind that we brought to the streets of London that reduces CO2, reduces Nitrous Oxide, reducing pollution...
I wonder if he will produce any models he has made to back this up.
This will lead people to remember the new routemaster buses he bought for London at vast expense - pointless, impractical, unreliable and widely disliked (though superficially attractive). Rather like Boris himself in fact.
Mr. Foremain, lack of achievement would be an improvement on his actual performance. Boris wasn't a bland, inactive minister. He was an incompetent one.
I see your point, but I see achievement as an indicator of higher levels of performance that I would expect for someone who aspires to be Chief Exec of UK plc.
Obvious point, but does the Boris campaign releasing that old photo not raise suspicion about why Carrie was unwilling to have a new lovey-dovey photo taken?
TalkRadio have released an official transcript. Here is the bus bit. Not quite same as the text I quoted earlier. To be fair to Boris looks like he didn't actually say "I don't mean buses".
RK: Very quick stuff on your, on your, on your personal lifestyle. What do you do to relax? What do you do to switch off?
BJ: I like to paint. I make things.
RK: What do you make?
BJ: I make, I have a thing where I make models of... When I was mayor of London... I make, buses.
RK: You make models of busses?
BJ: I make models of busses.
RK: So they're going to be in Downing Street?
BJ: I get, I get old, um, wooden crates, right? And I paint them and they have to contain two wine bottles. And it will have a dividing thing. And I turn it into a bus and I put passengers... yu really want to do this?
RK: You're making buses, you're making cardboard buses. Okay. That's what you do to enjoy yourself.
BJ: No, I paint the passengers enjoying themselves.
RK: Okay, great.
BJ: On a wonderful bus. Low carbon of a kind that we brought to the streets of London that reduces CO2, reduces Nitrous Oxide, reducing pollution...
Written down in cold print he comes across as raving bonkers in that excerpt. Fortunately for him no-one will believe he really does paint wine boxes with happy bus passengers.
If BXP stand in Brecon & Radnor, is it possible Tories could slip to 3rd place?
I don't think fascism is very popular in Wales, oh hang on there was Neil cash for questions thingyjig.
Oh, that is disappointing. Good that you are owning up to what the Brexit Party actually is though. At least you are honest about it.
I ignore your ridiculous F words. The chance of allowing you to try and make that imbecilic point was worth it to put you right.
Once again, anyone who thinks Brexit is a good idea accusing anyone of being imbecilic is rich in irony. Fascism is anything but ridiculous though. Repulsive, yes, ridiculous no. You might want to call divisive nationalism that is led by an egotistical zealot something different. I call it what it is, an unpleasant regressive doctrine that causes hatred, and it used to be known as fascism. In the UK it is now called the Brexit Party, or Faragism.
Let's be honest you're a cretinous troll who thinks everyone to the right of Corbyn is a fascist. I'm delighted over half the country disagree with you because otherwise we would be in a right state. Enjoy the Conservative Government
haha. I am a Tory ex-Party activist you blinkered plonker. Once again, any Brexit fantasist calling anyone "cretinous" or imbecilic is ironic in the extreme as you follow an imbecilic creed. I am a Conservative centrist and fascist loather. I detest Corbyn, but I equally find I find the lurch to the extreme right in the Conservative Party extremely dumb, and I have met plenty of swivel eyed nutters like you in the party who have as much understanding of the matters that they pontificate on as the average amoeba. The ascendency of the puerile views that you represent is why I will probably change my party allegiance, which I am sure you might be pleased at as you would like the Conservative party to become Brexit National Party Lite. One day the country will grow up, and realise that basing foreign policy on the views of people who read too many war comics is not advisable.
You do see fascists under the bed in the Conservative Party.
No, I get the take control of parliamentary business bit, but the earlier precedent was with an administration that was not, practically, prepared to countenance a no deal exit. Are you sure it couldn't be stymied by a leave-at-all-costs Executive?
The executive can have as much intent as it wishes if it doesn't have the numbers, and it doesn't, its academic. If Parliament votes to stop them and the government seeks to continue regardless Parliament will withdraw confidence.
Confidence only matters if the Executive is actually seeking to pass legislation, though. Default position, absent extension, revocation or approval of WA is exit on the 31/10/19, yes? It doesn't need any further votes.
No one on this forum believes a word you say. Joined less than a year ago, 3,000 posts all slagging off the Tories. No wonder you're a laughing stock. You have little understanding of political betting and your posts are entirely based upon slagging others off. I take great delight in knowing your far left politics will never lead to the UK government you crave/
You really have no understanding of the political landscape do you? You're confusing #FBPE libs with Corbynista socialists. Those are completely different groups, with no love lost between them.
TalkRadio have released an official transcript. Here is the bus bit. Not quite same as the text I quoted earlier. To be fair to Boris looks like he didn't actually say "I don't mean buses".
RK: Very quick stuff on your, on your, on your personal lifestyle. What do you do to relax? What do you do to switch off?
BJ: I like to paint. I make things.
RK: What do you make?
BJ: I make, I have a thing where I make models of... When I was mayor of London... I make, buses.
RK: You make models of busses?
BJ: I make models of busses.
RK: So they're going to be in Downing Street?
BJ: I get, I get old, um, wooden crates, right? And I paint them and they have to contain two wine bottles. And it will have a dividing thing. And I turn it into a bus and I put passengers... yu really want to do this?
RK: You're making buses, you're making cardboard buses. Okay. That's what you do to enjoy yourself.
BJ: No, I paint the passengers enjoying themselves.
RK: Okay, great.
BJ: On a wonderful bus. Low carbon of a kind that we brought to the streets of London that reduces CO2, reduces Nitrous Oxide, reducing pollution...
Written down in cold print he comes across as raving bonkers in that excerpt. Fortunately for him no-one will believe he really does paint wine boxes with happy bus passengers.
No one on this forum believes a word you say. Joined less than a year ago, 3,000 posts all slagging off the Tories. No wonder you're a laughing stock. You have little understanding of political betting and your posts are entirely based upon slagging others off. I take great delight in knowing your far left politics will never lead to the UK government you crave/
You really have no understanding of the political landscape do you? You're confusing #FBPE libs with Corbynista socialists. Those are completely different groups, with no love lost between them.
Nope, just calling out someone who pretends to be a Tory activist. The little fella is an unhinged troll who just froths with every post. Only fair it's pointed out.
Boris is going to be even worse than we feared, isn't he?
No, I already had extremely low expectations.
Anyone who read's the guff Boris writes for the Telegraph would know he's not capable of doing a serious job. He writes well, but he says nothing. He's a bluffer, he's not remotely as clever as his acolytes insist he is.
Boris is also lazy, as it is plain as day that he has not done his homework on leaving the EU, he hasn't even grasped some of the basic facts of the issue.
Finally, Boris isn't fit for the office of PM, he is serial adulterer, a repeated liar, and a person who at best is crass and at worst is a bigot.
There is something seriously wrong with the Tory Party that Boris is even a candidate never mind favourite to win.
TalkRadio have released an official transcript. Here is the bus bit. Not quite same as the text I quoted earlier. To be fair to Boris looks like he didn't actually say "I don't mean buses".
RK: Very quick stuff on your, on your, on your personal lifestyle. What do you do to relax? What do you do to switch off?
BJ: I like to paint. I make things.
RK: What do you make?
BJ: I make, I have a thing where I make models of... When I was mayor of London... I make, buses.
RK: You make models of busses?
BJ: I make models of busses.
RK: So they're going to be in Downing Street?
BJ: I get, I get old, um, wooden crates, right? And I paint them and they have to contain two wine bottles. And it will have a dividing thing. And I turn it into a bus and I put passengers... yu really want to do this?
RK: You're making buses, you're making cardboard buses. Okay. That's what you do to enjoy yourself.
BJ: No, I paint the passengers enjoying themselves.
RK: Okay, great.
BJ: On a wonderful bus. Low carbon of a kind that we brought to the streets of London that reduces CO2, reduces Nitrous Oxide, reducing pollution...
No, I get the take control of parliamentary business bit, but the earlier precedent was with an administration that was not, practically, prepared to countenance a no deal exit. Are you sure it couldn't be stymied by a leave-at-all-costs Executive?
Then you replace the Prime Minister with someone willing to carry out the will of Parliament.
you want that job dont you ?
Me as Prime Minister? God No.
Dictator/Tyrant of the UK? Hell yeah. I'd have Brexit sorted out by next summer.
No, I get the take control of parliamentary business bit, but the earlier precedent was with an administration that was not, practically, prepared to countenance a no deal exit. Are you sure it couldn't be stymied by a leave-at-all-costs Executive?
Then you replace the Prime Minister with someone willing to carry out the will of Parliament.
you want that job dont you ?
Me as Prime Minister? God No.
Dictator of the UK? Hell yeah. I'd have Brexit sorted out by next summer.
you have to start somewhere, try being PM first and then burn the Reichstag, it has worked before
No one on this forum believes a word you say. Joined less than a year ago, 3,000 posts all slagging off the Tories. No wonder you're a laughing stock. You have little understanding of political betting and your posts are entirely based upon slagging others off. I take great delight in knowing your far left politics will never lead to the UK government you crave/
You really have no understanding of the political landscape do you? You're confusing #FBPE libs with Corbynista socialists. Those are completely different groups, with no love lost between them.
Nope, just calling out someone who pretends to be a Tory activist. The little fella is an unhinged troll who just froths with every post. Only fair it's pointed out.
Passionate remainer Tory activists do exist. I've met more than one. I see no reason not to think that Nigel_Formain is one of them.
Though I will agree with "froths", and to a lesser extent "unhinged".
Boris is going to be even worse than we feared, isn't he?
No, I already had extremely low expectations.
Anyone who read's the guff Boris writes for the Telegraph would know he's not capable of doing a serious job. He writes well, but he says nothing. He's a bluffer, he's not remotely as clever as his acolytes insist he is.
Boris is also lazy, as it is plain as day that he has not done his homework on leaving the EU, he hasn't even grasped some of the basic facts of the issue.
Finally, Boris isn't fit for the office of PM, he is serial adulterer, a repeated liar, and a person who at best is crass and at worst is a bigot.
There is something seriously wrong with the Tory Party that Boris is even a candidate never mind favourite to win.
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
No, I get the take control of parliamentary business bit, but the earlier precedent was with an administration that was not, practically, prepared to countenance a no deal exit. Are you sure it couldn't be stymied by a leave-at-all-costs Executive?
Then you replace the Prime Minister with someone willing to carry out the will of Parliament.
you want that job dont you ?
Me as Prime Minister? God No.
Dictator of the UK? Hell yeah. I'd have Brexit sorted out by next summer.
you have to start somewhere, try being PM first and then burn the Reichstag, it has worked before
I'd deliver Brexit then start rounding up the leaders of the ERG and Vote Leave, make them live with the plebs that voted Leave in places like Sunderland and Oldham.
Boris is going to be even worse than we feared, isn't he?
No, I already had extremely low expectations.
Anyone who read's the guff Boris writes for the Telegraph would know he's not capable of doing a serious job. He writes well, but he says nothing. He's a bluffer, he's not remotely as clever as his acolytes insist he is.
Boris is also lazy, as it is plain as day that he has not done his homework on leaving the EU, he hasn't even grasped some of the basic facts of the issue.
Finally, Boris isn't fit for the office of PM, he is serial adulterer, a repeated liar, and a person who at best is crass and at worst is a bigot.
There is something seriously wrong with the Tory Party that Boris is even a candidate never mind favourite to win.
Being articulate and a good communicator but a bit lazy does not make you a bad leader see, for example, Ronald Reagan.
Being a workaholic but a bad communicator though and too bogged down in detail can make you a bad leader see e.g. Brown or May.
What is needed is a leader now who sets the direction as Boris will and lets advisers fill in the detail
No one on this forum believes a word you say. Joined less than a year ago, 3,000 posts all slagging off the Tories. No wonder you're a laughing stock. You have little understanding of political betting and your posts are entirely based upon slagging others off. I take great delight in knowing your far left politics will never lead to the UK government you crave/
You really have no understanding of the political landscape do you? You're confusing #FBPE libs with Corbynista socialists. Those are completely different groups, with no love lost between them.
Nope, just calling out someone who pretends to be a Tory activist. The little fella is an unhinged troll who just froths with every post. Only fair it's pointed out.
Passionate remainer Tory activists do exist. I've met more than one. I see no reason not to think that Nigel_Formain is one of them.
Though I will agree with "froths", and to a lesser extent "unhinged".
Thanks for that. I will work hard on becoming rehinged! Simplistic rightwingers who now claim to be the true soul of the Conservative party probably do make me a little frothy I have to admit!
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
I've seen your posts and they are almost entirely bitter and devoid of any conservative values or sentiment (and I say that as someone with no love for the Tories). I think as someone who has been on this site a long time it is fair to call out someone who resorts to insults with almost every post they make. Thank you.
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
Written down in cold print he comes across as raving bonkers in that excerpt. Fortunately for him no-one will believe he really does paint wine boxes with happy bus passengers.
Oh I can imagine that at some point 2008-2016 he was given a wine bottle holder in the shape of a bus made out of old pallets from a Chelsea upcycling store, and at some point between mistresses he painted some people on it.
But he doesn't strike me as the kind to have hobbies - it would need a bit of focus, and shagging is much more fun.
I don't think many are saying its wrong to call 999 when you think there is a risk.
Calling The Guardian when you are told it was a false alarm is a different matter.
And you, of course, wouldn't call the Daily Brexitograph if you heard similar goings on from a political figure you didn't approve of? Corbyn? Anna Soubry? Of course not!!
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
No, I get the take control of parliamentary business bit, but the earlier precedent was with an administration that was not, practically, prepared to countenance a no deal exit. Are you sure it couldn't be stymied by a leave-at-all-costs Executive?
The executive can have as much intent as it wishes if it doesn't have the numbers, and it doesn't, its academic. If Parliament votes to stop them and the government seeks to continue regardless Parliament will withdraw confidence.
Confidence only matters if the Executive is actually seeking to pass legislation, though. Default position, absent extension, revocation or approval of WA is exit on the 31/10/19, yes? It doesn't need any further votes.
I think if anyone is relying on that they are on a hiding to nothing. Parliament will assert itself. Any casual reading of Parliamentary history will show that whenever anyone has sought to bypass or ignore Parliament they've come a cropper. Confidence will be withdrawn, an election will be held and an extension will be applied whilst the election occurs. That would be my reading of where things are heading.
And if Parliament instructs him to get an extension...?
How do they do that, exactly? Curious as to what mechanism you're proposing, here.
They could vote like they did on March 14, but if they leave it that late again if the PM simply says 'no I'm not doing it' there's little they can do. Holding him in contempt won't make him do it. A VONC will only work if Parliament is prepared to elect Corbyn to head a GONU [since Corbyn would veto any alternatives and you won't find 300+ MPs willing to defect from the Tory and Labour parties].
You don't need 300+ MPs to defect. You only need a handful of opposition MPs to support an alternative Tory PM who will ask for an extension.
Every Labour MP who backs a Tory would lose the whip guaranteed.
Any Tory MP who backed a Tory over the elected leader would likely lose the whip.
Given close to 200 Tory MPs have already voted against extending you would need close to 200 opposition MPs at least.
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
He seems to lack any curiosity about details. Odd for someone who is supposedly intelligent and indeed studied Classics. Isn't Classics chock full of little details that have to be read about and learnt?
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
it seems to me the people who wailed about Trump are making the same mistakes about Boris, He wants you to witter on about the minutiae of his life since it means he doesnt have to have politcal scrutiny and the bit of a geezer meme keeps rolling.
Currently the hooha of what he had for breakfast means no-ones nailing him on tax, and the clock ticks on.
No one on this forum believes a word you say. Joined less than a year ago, 3,000 posts all slagging off the Tories. No wonder you're a laughing stock. You have little understanding of political betting and your posts are entirely based upon slagging others off. I take great delight in knowing your far left politics will never lead to the UK government you crave/
You really have no understanding of the political landscape do you? You're confusing #FBPE libs with Corbynista socialists. Those are completely different groups, with no love lost between them.
Nope, just calling out someone who pretends to be a Tory activist. The little fella is an unhinged troll who just froths with every post. Only fair it's pointed out.
Passionate remainer Tory activists do exist. I've met more than one. I see no reason not to think that Nigel_Formain is one of them.
Though I will agree with "froths", and to a lesser extent "unhinged".
Thanks for that. I will work hard on becoming rehinged! Simplistic rightwingers who now claim to be the true soul of the Conservative party probably do make me a little frothy I have to admit!
Heh, it wouldn't have been my choice of wording. The way I'd say it is that the Brexit brainworms which have infected us all seem to have dug in a little deeper in your case than most.
And if the PM just refuses to follow Parliament's instruction? Which the executive can do?
Unless Parliament is willing to elect Corbyn there's little it can do.
I suspect Parliament would vote down any government that set out to entirely ignore its wishes. It would be right to do so.
Absolutely but goting down the government is the easy part. Electing a replacement is tougher. Corbyn would rightly insist he is the alternative. If Parliament isn't willing to back Corbyn then bringing down this government isn't enough.
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
it seems to me the people who wailed about Trump are making the same mistakes about Boris, He wants you to witter on about the minutiae of his life since it means he doesnt have to have politcal scrutiny and the bit of a geezer meme keeps rolling.
Currently the hooha of what he had for breakfast means no-ones nailing him on tax, and the clock ticks on.
Indeed, I was talking to a former Tory MP on this very matter just now.
Though they did point out it is much easier for the British legislature to impeach Boris than it is for the American legislature to impeach Trump..
(I guffawed heartily at the bit about "exposing our economy to financial instability").
Why do the people that CityAM has sourced for quotes think that he cares about anything other than their personal destruction? The Times has a similar article which deconstructs it as well.
FWIW the fact that Boris does a bit of modelling on the side is the first endearing thing I’ve heard him say in recent weeks. Makes him seem more human.
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
He seems to lack any curiosity about details. Odd for someone who is supposedly intelligent and indeed studied Classics. Isn't Classics chock full of little details that have to be read about and learnt?
Classics at Oxbridge is a harder degree than PPE I think
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
it seems to me the people who wailed about Trump are making the same mistakes about Boris, He wants you to witter on about the minutiae of his life since it means he doesnt have to have politcal scrutiny and the bit of a geezer meme keeps rolling.
Currently the hooha of what he had for breakfast means no-ones nailing him on tax, and the clock ticks on.
Indeed, I was talking to a former Tory MP on this very matter just now.
Though they did point out it is much easier for the British legislature to impeach Boris than it is for the American legislature to impeach Trump..
we find ourselves on the same side of the fence this time I'm as ABB as you are
I really dont get how no one in the media or politcs is hammering the shit out of him on flaky or non existent policies. he's playing smoke and mirrors and getting away with it quite blatantly.
So they would VONC a Tory PM? That's a hanging offence isn't it? I can see some of the ERGs doing it but not the bulk.
My view (today) is that although the ERG hardliners are greater in number it is the Grieve faction who are more likely to support Corbyn in a VONC and thus bring a Johnson government down.
Hence, come the October crunch, since he neither believes in Hard Brexit nor wishes to fight an election this year, he will go that way - he will agree an extension for further negotiation with the EU. Just as May did.
He is in the same box. The politics are just the same. Nothing has changed.
Why do the people that CityAM has sourced for quotes think that he cares about anything other than their personal destruction? The Times has a similar article which deconstructs it as well.
I think there is still denial in the City and indeed in the country about just how extreme (and in this matter raving bonkers) a Corbyn/McDonnell government would be. They are still treating it as like the Labour Party of old.
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
I've seen your posts and they are almost entirely bitter and devoid of any conservative values or sentiment (and I say that as someone with no love for the Tories). I think as someone who has been on this site a long time it is fair to call out someone who resorts to insults with almost every post they make. Thank you.
As I say, you clearly have very little understanding of centre right thinking outside the confines of Brexit. As for insults they are a response to those that give them. There are plenty of people of differing views on here that I have had perfectly civil exchanges with. If you look at this thread you will see that it was you and Isam who started throwing the words "cretinous" and imbecilic, which are, as I say ironic in the extreme. Admittedly you don't like the word fascist, and its association with the Brexit Party, and if that offended you, well, maybe you should ask yourself some tough questions.
Why do the people that CityAM has sourced for quotes think that he cares about anything other than their personal destruction? The Times has a similar article which deconstructs it as well.
I think there is still denial in the City and indeed in the country about just how extreme (and in this matter raving bonkers) a Corbyn/McDonnell government would be. They are still treating it as like the Labour Party of old.
The assumption is it would be watered down and stuck in legal challenge. Which it MIGHT be, but that is hardly the way to run a nation
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
He seems to lack any curiosity about details. Odd for someone who is supposedly intelligent and indeed studied Classics. Isn't Classics chock full of little details that have to be read about and learnt?
Classics at Oxbridge is a harder degree than PPE I think
It is the "easiest" course to get into at Cambridge in terms of grades. Mainly because it is only independent schools that do it
FWIW the fact that Boris does a bit of modelling on the side is the first endearing thing I’ve heard him say in recent weeks. Makes him seem more human.
I do a bit myself and it’s very therapeutic.
Blimey the things you read on PB - You and Boris modelling on the catwalk ....
Armani, Dior, Versace, Peacocks, George at ASDA ????
What does Boris do all day? He dashes his columns off (usually late according to various editors) in about a hour or two. He gives talks at dinners for sums of money, but that's usually evening work.
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
You would certainly have thought that someone wanting to lead the country would at least understand the basics of the most pressing issue of the day. It seems that that is too much effort for Boris, he just wants a coronation, with no scrutiny of his character and policies.
it seems to me the people who wailed about Trump are making the same mistakes about Boris, He wants you to witter on about the minutiae of his life since it means he doesnt have to have politcal scrutiny and the bit of a geezer meme keeps rolling.
Currently the hooha of what he had for breakfast means no-ones nailing him on tax, and the clock ticks on.
Indeed, I was talking to a former Tory MP on this very matter just now.
Though they did point out it is much easier for the British legislature to impeach Boris than it is for the American legislature to impeach Trump..
we find ourselves on the same side of the fence this time I'm as ABB as you are
I really dont get how no one in the media or politcs is hammering the shit out of him on flaky or non existent policies. he's playing smoke and mirrors and getting away with it quite blatantly.
We have this theory.
Journos are easy on Boris Johnson because they fancy going from journalism to politics.
Heck the final two might have been two former journos.
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
I've seen your posts and they are almost entirely bitter and devoid of any conservative values or sentiment (and I say that as someone with no love for the Tories). I think as someone who has been on this site a long time it is fair to call out someone who resorts to insults with almost every post they make. Thank you.
Hrumph
I disagree passionately with Nigel about the EU but otherwise I have seen nothing at all to indicate he is anything other than a committed Tory. Just because he is (in my view) utterly wrong about the EU does not make him wrong on anything or everything else. There are Eurofanatics and Eurosceptics in both the main parties.
And if the PM just refuses to follow Parliament's instruction? Which the executive can do?
Unless Parliament is willing to elect Corbyn there's little it can do.
I suspect Parliament would vote down any government that set out to entirely ignore its wishes. It would be right to do so.
Absolutely but goting down the government is the easy part. Electing a replacement is tougher. Corbyn would rightly insist he is the alternative. If Parliament isn't willing to back Corbyn then bringing down this government isn't enough.
I think that if we were only days away from no deal parliament would panic and elect someone, anyone, who would accept its instructions to revoke and/or delay. That person could well be Corbyn. After all, Parliament could vote them down again as soon as the crisis was over and given the current political balance in the HoC there's no way Corbyn could pass any legislation or attempt to implement any of his more dangerous ideas.
Why do the people that CityAM has sourced for quotes think that he cares about anything other than their personal destruction? The Times has a similar article which deconstructs it as well.
I think there is still denial in the City and indeed in the country about just how extreme (and in this matter raving bonkers) a Corbyn/McDonnell government would be. They are still treating it as like the Labour Party of old.
Realistically a plausible Corbyn government is very different to what Corbyn would like it to be. It would be constrained by SNP, probably LD and around half the PLP who do not agree with him. The nature of that coalitions means it wouldnt be that different to Brown or Miliband.
The concern is more a Corbyn Labour party further down the line when they have greater control of the PLP and could be up against a very unpopular govt having gone thru Brexit in 5 years time, than the immediate threat of them leading the next government.
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
I've seen your posts and they are almost entirely bitter and devoid of any conservative values or sentiment (and I say that as someone with no love for the Tories). I think as someone who has been on this site a long time it is fair to call out someone who resorts to insults with almost every post they make. Thank you.
Hrumph
I disagree passionately with Nigel about the EU but otherwise I have seen nothing at all to indicate he is anything other than a committed Tory. Just because he is (in my view) utterly wrong about the EU does not make him wrong on anything or everything else. There are Eurofanatics and Eurosceptics in both the main parties.
Thank you Richard. Good to hear from someone who DOES have a more sophisticated political understanding. Maybe I should tone down my assaults or taunts on views I don't like on here, it probably does bring out the worst in me!
Realistically a plausible Corbyn government is very different to what Corbyn would like it to be. It would be constrained by SNP, probably LD and around half the PLP who do not agree with him. The nature of that coalitions means it wouldnt be that different to Brown or Miliband.
The concern is more a Corbyn Labour party further down the line when they have greater control of the PLP and could be up against a very unpopular govt having gone thru Brexit in 5 years time, than the immediate threat of them leading the next government.
Whilst that's probably right, are the LibDems and the SNP really going to put their political capital into preventing John McDonnell doing brain-dead things like forcing BP to list on the New York stock exchange rather than in London, given that this lunacy would be proposed (apparently with a straight face) as taking action on climate change? Equally, I suspect that they wouldn't rein in his financial profligacy to any significant degree; the one thing that fools can easily agree on is spending other people's or imaginary money.
Oh dear, Mr Brom, do grow up. I have followed this site since "Tim" was on it. I took a break from it. I don't "slag off Tories", I "slag off" (to use your limited vernacular) people with extremist or simplistic views of politics, whether right or left. You don't like my posts because you fall into that category. I dislike Brexit because it is anti-business, anti-economy, and unpatriotic (pro-Russian) IMO. I have made constructive posts on how the EU actually works, how the Conservative Party works (been a member for over 20 years, activist for 7- up until 2012, voted for Cameron) and how business interacts with politics. Brexit is incompatible with what I regard as proper Conservatism as it is destabilising and anti-business. If you have actually seen my posts you clearly have a very very unsophisticated understanding of centre right political opinion.
I've seen your posts and they are almost entirely bitter and devoid of any conservative values or sentiment (and I say that as someone with no love for the Tories). I think as someone who has been on this site a long time it is fair to call out someone who resorts to insults with almost every post they make. Thank you.
Hrumph
I disagree passionately with Nigel about the EU but otherwise I have seen nothing at all to indicate he is anything other than a committed Tory. Just because he is (in my view) utterly wrong about the EU does not make him wrong on anything or everything else. There are Eurofanatics and Eurosceptics in both the main parties.
Thank you Richard. Good to hear from someone who DOES have a more sophisticated political understanding. Maybe I should tone down my assaults or taunts on views I don't like on here, it probably does bring out the worst in me!
But if you set a good example then we would all have to follow and that would be terrible.
Taunting views and taunting posters are very different things and I think it is only the latter that are bad form. Something I still have to work on.
Comments
RK: Very quick stuff on your, on your, on your personal lifestyle. What do you do to relax? What do you do to switch off?
BJ: I like to paint. I make things.
RK: What do you make?
BJ: I make, I have a thing where I make models of... When I was mayor of London... I make, buses.
RK: You make models of busses?
BJ: I make models of busses.
RK: So they're going to be in Downing Street?
BJ: I get, I get old, um, wooden crates, right? And I paint them and they have to contain two wine bottles. And it will have a dividing thing. And I turn it into a bus and I put passengers... yu really want to do this?
RK: You're making buses, you're making cardboard buses. Okay. That's what you do to enjoy yourself.
BJ: No, I paint the passengers enjoying themselves.
RK: Okay, great.
BJ: On a wonderful bus. Low carbon of a kind that we brought to the streets of London that reduces CO2, reduces Nitrous Oxide, reducing pollution...
Read more at https://talkradio.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-talkradio-interview-19062531433#wHDGjBALLDA6hx9b.99
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/24/inside-story-staged-boris-johnson-carrie-symonds-picture/
ETA the same paper has since reported the LBC interview where Boris refused to deny the photo is six weeks old.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/25/boris-johnson-set-public-grilling-amber-rudd-accuses-making/
Anyone who read's the guff Boris writes for the Telegraph would know he's not capable of doing a serious job. He writes well, but he says nothing. He's a bluffer, he's not remotely as clever as his acolytes insist he is.
Boris is also lazy, as it is plain as day that he has not done his homework on leaving the EU, he hasn't even grasped some of the basic facts of the issue.
Finally, Boris isn't fit for the office of PM, he is serial adulterer, a repeated liar, and a person who at best is crass and at worst is a bigot.
There is something seriously wrong with the Tory Party that Boris is even a candidate never mind favourite to win.
Dictator/Tyrant of the UK? Hell yeah. I'd have Brexit sorted out by next summer.
https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2019/06/24/beginners-guide-gatt-article-24/
https://www.cityam.com/city-anger-at-john-mcdonnells-financial-totalitarianism-climate-change-plans/
(I guffawed heartily at the bit about "exposing our economy to financial instability").
Though I will agree with "froths", and to a lesser extent "unhinged".
They are a bigger embarrassment than Boris Johnson.
https://twitter.com/adrianmasters84/status/1143468950577188866
You would have thought he had a few hours to kill, so might as well have a read of a couple of briefing papers.
Dear god, you're just Theresa May in trouser flares, floral shirts and vegan sandals !!!
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1143478200753893378
Being a workaholic but a bad communicator though and too bogged down in detail can make you a bad leader see e.g. Brown or May.
What is needed is a leader now who sets the direction as Boris will and lets advisers fill in the detail
But he doesn't strike me as the kind to have hobbies - it would need a bit of focus, and shagging is much more fun.
Boris completely downing out Jeremy Hunt in the news today I see.
All looking rather Trumpesque isn't it?
Any Tory MP who backed a Tory over the elected leader would likely lose the whip.
Given close to 200 Tory MPs have already voted against extending you would need close to 200 opposition MPs at least.
Currently the hooha of what he had for breakfast means no-ones nailing him on tax, and the clock ticks on.
Don't know if that's better or worse...
Though they did point out it is much easier for the British legislature to impeach Boris than it is for the American legislature to impeach Trump..
I do a bit myself and it’s very therapeutic.
Yet.
And they are still considerably more likely to surprise on the upside from here.
I really dont get how no one in the media or politcs is hammering the shit out of him on flaky or non existent policies. he's playing smoke and mirrors and getting away with it quite blatantly.
Hence, come the October crunch, since he neither believes in Hard Brexit nor wishes to fight an election this year, he will go that way - he will agree an extension for further negotiation with the EU. Just as May did.
He is in the same box. The politics are just the same. Nothing has changed.
https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1143480215630491649?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1143480215630491649|twgr^393039363b74776565745f6d65646961&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/jun/25/tory-leadership-latest-news-boris-johnson-rudd-tells-boris-johnson-optimism-not-enough-to-deliver-brexit-live-news
LMAO at the tweet starting off so bland then taking a savage turn at the end.
Am toying with this one.
I've made quite the impression with my new employers.
Armani, Dior, Versace, Peacocks, George at ASDA ????
Journos are easy on Boris Johnson because they fancy going from journalism to politics.
Heck the final two might have been two former journos.
I disagree passionately with Nigel about the EU but otherwise I have seen nothing at all to indicate he is anything other than a committed Tory. Just because he is (in my view) utterly wrong about the EU does not make him wrong on anything or everything else. There are Eurofanatics and Eurosceptics in both the main parties.
The leather trousers are a bit of a struggle at the moment, to be honest.
The concern is more a Corbyn Labour party further down the line when they have greater control of the PLP and could be up against a very unpopular govt having gone thru Brexit in 5 years time, than the immediate threat of them leading the next government.
*Joke,,,,
I'll see what I can dredge up so far as the leather trousers are concerned.
So no, not name recognition but division largely along Leaver Remainer lines.
Hunt is Foreign Secretary after all, hardly unknown
Taunting views and taunting posters are very different things and I think it is only the latter that are bad form. Something I still have to work on.