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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    edited June 2019
    Anyone know why Michelle Obama was last matched at 50, and has (on tiny stakes) shortened from 150 in the last few days...?

    (This is for Dem nomination.)
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    BBC - Rabb confirms he's staying in the race.

    Shame. Can't stand the bloke.
    I indicated earlier I expected Rabb to stay in. He should get a few transfers from Leadsom and McVey voters and possibly supportive surplus from Boris to take him over the next threshold. After the next stage he's gone.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,074
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    With regard to the ConservativeHome monthly surveys - is this sample representative of the whole membership?

    I recall Mike Smithson saying a while ago that these syrveys cannot entirely be relied upon as a true guide?

    No. Users of the site volunteer to take the survey, and there is now a basic check to make sure they are members. But it is self-selected, and all the evidence is that ConHome readers aren't a representative sample. All the more remarkable that Rory came second.
    Trust me, it's not far wrong!

    Boris would start with a hefty lead, if the vote were tomorrow.
    For sure, but then any sample of Tory members would show the same, representative or not. Nevertheless ConHome has been way more out there in terms of no deal since the beginning, contrary to proper polls of Tory voters and members. Only HY thinks that the ConHome surveys are accurate.
    Just looked at the Conservative Home site. Most of the comments re: carbon neutral by 2050 are incredibly depressing. These dinosaurs deserve to be extinct but shouldn't take the rest of us plus their children and grandchildren with them.
    Trouble is they will likely be replaced by Farage's lot who are no better.
    I suspect its mostly the same lot!
    What's depressing is how easily an issue like that can become subject to tribal politics. If it were positioned as a way to spite the left for their consumption habits you'd get a different response.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,256
    History will look kindly on May in one respect. She obviously has kept Boris out of No.10 for a couple of years.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,977
    IanB2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pauline Latham, erstwhile McVey backer, says she is leaning towards Javid. Shows transfers are not always easy to assume.

    That Standard cartoon that everyone not voting for Boris is against Boris may actually be close to the money
    Maybe. She mentioned that, while leaning Javid, there were 3 definite nots. Rory, Raab and Boris!
    Which is not the conventional view of how Esther's group might break.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    JackW said:

    BBC - Rabb confirms he's staying in the race.

    Shame. Can't stand the bloke.
    He flopped massively as Brexit Secretary. Why is he a serious contender?
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320



    That's a good point.

    Despite that, he still comes across to me as being lazy. Johnson has a natural and wonderful ability to string sentences together, and has able researchers. That makes writing a book easier - especially if writing is something you love.

    But his time as London Mayor or as FS. He was neither particularly competent or energetic. Or even on top of his brief.

    There is the famous story of how he writes his £250k a year column, which was revealed when the Daily Telegraph editor asked why he kept emailing them in from different email addresses every week (and please stop doing it).

    Apparently, he turns up somebodies house for Sunday lunch, and while dinner is being prepped he bangs out his column on their computer in an hour or so.

    He is clearly a talented writer, but that doesn't mean he isn't also ill prepared / lazy.

    Johnson is a very one dimensional writer. His great talent is to write the same piece over and over again, and get paid well for doing so. That is undeniably a very good skill for a journalist to have. I am not sure it makes him PM material.

    Not even journalism really. Comment or even polemic. His stunts at actual journalism as in, you know, listening to people and writing down what they say accurately as quotes and all that, got into one or two difficulties I believe.
    A number of posters may well have heard Max Hastings assessment of Boris on Any Questions. Basically he said he was a brilliant editor of the Spectator but as a politician '...he thinks he's Churchill but in fact he's Steve Coogan.'

    I suspect Hastings was thinking Alan Partridge, but you get the drift anyway. Hastings is no socialist, and not afraid to call it how it is. And he would know Boris better than most.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,256
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    BBC - Rabb confirms he's staying in the race.

    Shame. Can't stand the bloke.
    He flopped massively as Brexit Secretary. Why is he a serious contender?
    No earthly idea myself.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    edited June 2019

    I think you are right - Labour would offer a Referendum in a pre-Brexit GE. Corbyn is no lover of the EU but the threat of a LD/Green mop-up of the Remainer vote is too much for him to risk. I think he cares about having the power to implement his domestic policies, more than he cares about Brexit.

    Yes. Him and McDonnell. Lifelong socialist outsiders. Now, unexpectedly, with a chance to be PM and Chancellor. Pushing 70, the both of them, and surely aware that this is their one and only shot. Will do what it takes. Will do what maximizes their chance of winning. Might not be enough, but they will not be leaving anything on the bench and that includes the referendum commitment. It will be starting.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,980
    edited June 2019

    History will look kindly on May in one respect. She obviously has kept Boris out of No.10 for a couple of years.

    In my view Cameron and May were the two worst post-war PMs this country has had. But I think they're going to look like beacons of competence in comparison to what's around the corner.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    New thread
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,256
    In a wild moment I have topped up further on Rory.

    As everything in politics has become so unpredictable and weird, why not him coming out of nowhere and emerging as the Stop Boris candidate who goes to the membership, just as Boris implodes?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    O/T but another "interesting" decision from the Supreme Court: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48625914?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business&link_location=live-reporting-story

    A woman who prioritised buying food for her children over her rent was not "intentionally homeless". It was "reasonable" for her to do so.

    To me this is the sort of decision that Lord Sumption has been having a go at in his Reith lectures. This isn't law, its politics. And our judges are not best placed to make political decisions.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,210
    TOPPING said:

    Jesus Fucking Christ please let the Cons members have a moment of clarity and not vote for that utter, utter, knob Johnson.

    It is beyond depressing that a useless lying charlatan like Boris should be the choice of 36% of Tory MPs.
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    Viceroy_of_OrangeViceroy_of_Orange Posts: 172
    edited June 2019
    Good day for us backers of the Bluekip project! :smiley:

    Someone on Twitter asked Tories, what post-Brexit policies would you prioritise? And my priorities in no particular order are:

    - Leave the ECHR
    - Reintroduction of grammar schools
    - Restoration of the death penalty
    - Abolish the Foreign Aid budget
    - Restore the Lords to pre-1999 state

    I always think that the most popular and transformative policies of those that a Tory government could introduce would be grammars and the death penalty.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,226
    dixiedean said:

    That almost certainly leads to yet another hung Parliament. At least 70, probably nearer 80, non Labour or Tories, and that is without the LDs.

    I agree that is the most likely outcome. A minority Labour government supported by LDs and SNP with a mandate to ask the public again on Brexit and cancel it.

    Funnily enough, although I think Labour would probably win most seats as per above I would give the Tories under Johnson more chance of winning an outright majority. Cannot see Corbyn doing that. Johnson, at a pinch, I can.

    However, what I think is most likely is that Johnson does NOT go for an election. Instead he extends and tries to get the WA through in 2020 - cosmetically amended and re-branded to look like a 'win'.

    And if he manages it, for all that I think he is unfit to be PM, I will have to take my hat off to him. It will be a substantial political achievement.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    DavidL said:

    O/T but another "interesting" decision from the Supreme Court: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48625914?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business&link_location=live-reporting-story

    A woman who prioritised buying food for her children over her rent was not "intentionally homeless". It was "reasonable" for her to do so.

    To me this is the sort of decision that Lord Sumption has been having a go at in his Reith lectures. This isn't law, its politics. And our judges are not best placed to make political decisions.

    Why, David?

    The Council wanted to treat her as "Intentionally Homeless". She disagreed. The Court found in her favour.

    Sounds like a matter for the Courts to me.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,122

    DavidL said:

    O/T but another "interesting" decision from the Supreme Court: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48625914?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business&link_location=live-reporting-story

    A woman who prioritised buying food for her children over her rent was not "intentionally homeless". It was "reasonable" for her to do so.

    To me this is the sort of decision that Lord Sumption has been having a go at in his Reith lectures. This isn't law, its politics. And our judges are not best placed to make political decisions.

    Why, David?

    The Council wanted to treat her as "Intentionally Homeless". She disagreed. The Court found in her favour.

    Sounds like a matter for the Courts to me.
    Quite. If the law expects a mother to let her children starve then, to paraphrase our next Prime Minister, Fuck the law. Sounds like a good decision to me.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Nigelb said:
    Kamala Harris 4th in her her home state 🤣
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    GIN1138 said:

    nico67 said:

    Bozo .

    Investigating historical child abuse is a waste of money . Just another of the comments he has made .

    What was the context of that comment?

    If it was in relation to the supposed Westminster peado ring then history has shown him to be right given the accuser is currently on trial for being a fantasist who made it all up...
    And perhaps his view was that resources are best deployed on investigating, prosecuting and jailing perpetrators who are still alive. Once those cases are concluded then the police - who no longer have limitless resources - can focus on the dead ones who have no opportunity to defend themselves if innocent or not.

    We shouldn’t have policing on the basis of what the tabloid media thinks makes the best headlines and sells the most papers.
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    DavidL said:

    JackW said:

    BBC - Rabb confirms he's staying in the race.

    We fight on. Excellent precedent.
    He is quite likely to some get transfers from hard Brexiters who voted for McVey and possibly Leadsom so why not? The first round votes for the top 6 bar Boris are all pretty close.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993

    Sean_F said:

    AndyJS said:
    This is pretty devastating:

    ...

    We're all in deep shit … What I don't understand is what happened to the notion that while the members were lunatics the MPs could be relied on to take a sane view of the candidates? Rory is manifestly the best candidate, and the only one who actually has a chance of delivering Brexit - and yet he managed only 19 votes.
    The members are more level-headed than the MP's are.
    It would be nice to think so. Are you sure, Sean?
    Not going by the majority of them on here.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,993
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    BBC - Rabb confirms he's staying in the race.

    Shame. Can't stand the bloke.
    He flopped massively as Brexit Secretary. Why is he a serious contender?
    Yes and thick as mince, did not even know Dover port was important
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    kinabalu said:

    I think you are right - Labour would offer a Referendum in a pre-Brexit GE. Corbyn is no lover of the EU but the threat of a LD/Green mop-up of the Remainer vote is too much for him to risk. I think he cares about having the power to implement his domestic policies, more than he cares about Brexit.

    Yes. Him and McDonnell. Lifelong socialist outsiders. Now, unexpectedly, with a chance to be PM and Chancellor. Pushing 70, the both of them, and surely aware that this is their one and only shot. Will do what it takes. Will do what maximizes their chance of winning. Might not be enough, but they will not be leaving anything on the bench and that includes the referendum commitment. It will be starting.
    Sucker!
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    Just found out that Greyling is in Bozo's leadership election team, what could possibly go wrong?
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