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And now with Michael Gove admitting to cocaine use when he was younger, we found that 56% of Brits think this should disqualify someone from top office https://t.co/997tPlJLel
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Regardless, Gove isn't going to make the final two is he?
Perhaps lacks the support of her colleagues?
I'd be interested in seeing how alcohol lines up with those other drugs as well.
Edit: I don't have a problem with drug taking, my only criticism would be around hypocrisy from those who do it but are against decriminalisation as people like them often get away with it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2s&v=aKmf7p304go
There is not much that unites the modern Conservative and Unionist Party, but one thing is love of Her Majesty and her family. She will not be amused with Herr Gove.
Incidentally, I note that the Tories are down to just 120,000 members. That is miles behind both the SNP and Labour. Can’t be far off the Brexit Party or the Liberal Democrats either. And most Con members seem to be entryists. Where on earth did the proper Tories go?
Labour politicians are on the media all the time. The “no attention outside an election” argument might stand up for a minor party, but not the official opposition!.
The LibDems claim to be up to 105,000, with figures for the post-Euro surge. Which reveals that a lot of the people who joined in the earlier surges hadn’t renewed.
And the possible US travel ban is a nice journalistic twist, for a future PM, even if surely fabricated?
I was talking about Corbyn's campaigning ability and the best way to assess it, not sure where you get that first sentence from...
Did I say attention?
I said message, basically our policies, that is how we attracted votes last time. The papers for example usually give Labour plenty of attention but very little to do with our message.
Considering how such convictions are a bar to many careers, why not politics too? Or is such experimentation fine for white middle class students, just not for the working class on the street corner?
”Jeremy Corbyn and his inner circle are considering a frontbench reshuffle that could see the shadow foreign secretary, Emily Thornberry, moved as a punishment for insisting that the party must back a second Brexit referendum, according to several senior figures in the party.”
People who have used drugs now and again are no different from those who have drunk now and again, in some cases drink is a more harmful drug. We should tax and regulate.
This is what happens when you allow Nigel Farage to dictate the terms of political trade. A party that once presented itself as the guardian of cautious common sense is now consumed by fervour, ready to burn everything down, and all for the promise of distant, utopian bliss.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/07/brexit-strange-death-british-conservatism
But in 2014, Gove brought in a punitive code of conduct for teachers, despite his own usage.
Not quite my position but a reasonable one.
As for the 'senior Labour sources' I'm calling BS. Corbyn rarely fires people especially without good reason. There was Benn as part of the coup attempt, a couple over EU votes and going against the whip (some resignations there) Sarah Champion over an article in the Sun, Chris Williamson I think then is most of them. As the party will probably end up adopting a second referendum policy at conference I can't see it.
It would also be a pointless provocation, which is why I'm guessing the people who briefed it are briefing it rather than it being true. Although I'll wait to be surprised...
Edit: The 'senior Labour sources' are the ones working for the Lib Dems, albeit indirectly...
On a betting note, Gove is currently 19.5 which looks fantastic value.
This is clearly not the case with Gove, as he has only recently admitted that he took Cocaine even though he was making decisions about the lives of class A drug takers and writing articles about it.
Will start writing the F1 pre-race ramble now. Given it's later (relative to qualifying) than usual, hopefully the markets will actually be up.
One joke though would no longer post 1997 be acceptable for TV "... Hitler's wife succeeded in committing suicide"
He's toast.
On the bright side for Gove, Boris is going to need somebody to resolve the Irish issue to progress Brexit. Step forward his new Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.....
Between more maintenance woe and going out for dinner, not sure how much time I'll have. Was hoping to get this done and dusted early on.
Edited extra bit: most of the Ladbrokes markets are up.
I agree with the first part "opinion polls shouldn’t be taken as gospel but need putting into context" but you fall short with your putting it into context.
The question "Do you think it is acceptable that [some generic MP] has taken the following drugs in the past?" Is totally different to "Should I put an X next to a candidate whose party leader has probably taken cocaine in the past?"
IMO the ‘middle way’ policy, as seen in most of Europe, of informal social and policing tolerance while still being illegal, is the worst of all worlds, and leads to some of the comments we’ve seen this morning about differences of class and race.
The system in Portugal I think works, with users referred to clinics. The system in most Asian and Middle Eastern countries also works, with severe deterrent sentencing keeping a lid on most casual recreational use. That said, as an example they’ve recently reduced the minimum sentence in the UAE from four years to two for possession, and citizens (as opposed to foreign residents) can do their sentences in secure rehab facilities rather than prisons - so even some of these countries are realising there’s a public health issue at stake.
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1137548213395873792?s=19
A bit like the difference between Rogerdamuses predictions overall and his Oscars predictions specifically.
Betting Post:F1: I'll include this in my pre-race tosh but it might be a little while going up.
Verstappen's 2.75 to win his group, which is him, Gasly, Ricciardo, and Hulkenberg. Verstappen should be faster by some way, the Renaults are unreliable, his team mate will be asked to move aside, *and* he starts on fresh tyres.
If Gove had brought in a more tolerant and rehabilitive approch to discipline of drug use, that would have been a different kettle of fish.
The story given is that this was decades ago.
Literally, the killer argument.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/06/canada-pre-race-2019.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/25/conservative-membership-surge-amid-fears-campaign-swing-leadership/
If he'd been caught 20 years ago it would have been a criminal offence for him too. While if you had made a mistake 20 years ago then that would be a youthful mistake by now too.
Though my opinion doesn't matter. At the moment none of us have a vote in who is next PM, and only a few in the final round.
Remember the law states class A possession is a serious offence that carries up to 7 years imprisonment.
Is it serious or not? The Tories generally argue it is, when they are not running for office. There’s the hypocrisy.
My suspicion is that while past cocaine use will not harm Gove's chances, hypocrisy might, if properly deployed by his opponents.
Currently I'm against broad relegalisation: at least without very accurate and timely tests for drugs.
Would you want a surgeon operating on you who had smoked a couple of spliffs the night before? Okay, so that's an extreme example, so how about that guy driving the bus you ride on into work? Or that woman driving the car in the lane next to you? Or how about that teacher trying to teach your son the word 'onomatopoeia '?
If it is to be legalised, then there should be a whole host of professions and situations where there are regular or random drug tests, and consequences if you fail. Perhaps have those jobs pay more as a result: but there will be many roles where drug use is unconscionable.
And yes, alcohol is an equal problem. But that doesn't automatically make drug legalisation right. And we are seeing this sort of attitude come in for alcohol as well: boozy lunches are rather more frowned upon than they used to be.
If only somebody had made that point in a thread header.
Oh, wait...
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/06/03/why-michael-gove-should-not-be-conservative-leader/
Is it wrong of me to be really enjoying watching him get his comeuppance in full glare of the world's media?
Verstappen starts 9th, Ricciardo 4th, with Gasly 5th and Hulkenberg 7th.
Anyway, one makes one's choice and hopes for the best.
To be fair, his hands were a lot steadier after lunch then before.
She doesn’t look it.
Too inexperienced to shoot straight for PM?
Mordaunt should go for it. Shake things up. Become favourite. Enable me to lay my bet.
That said, if he's selected I reckon people will get over it. I can't see many people actually changing their vote over something Gove did 20 years ago, including any hypocrisy at that time. The story about Cameron doing something obscene with a dead pig was widely believed and surely a real "euuu" thing, but did it really make a single voter change?
Must revise my opinion of your article however. I did judge it very good but now, well, not so much. You missed the big story. 1000 words on him and not one mention - not a single one - of the drugs.
She's left it far too late to declare. There are barely 33 hours left.
In addition, AIUI routine, accurate and simple tests for all drugs have not been developed.
Then lose vs the public.
This is made easier if you have a zero-tolerance policy.
Unfortunately as Elon Musk shows, all too often there's one rule for the plebs, and another for the superstars.
Lord Palmerston
David Lloyd George
Herbert Asquith
Those are the ones that spring immediately to mind.
There are others who were known to have mistresses but were not exactly serial philanderers - Wilson, Wellington.
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Millions_of_Women_are_Waiting_to_Meet_Yo.html?id=OR1OCxd8fNQC&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y