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  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Cyclefree said:

    Ken Clarke and/or Tracey Crouch leaving their declaration alarmingly late...

    Ken Clarke has endorsed Rory Stewart.
    Tracey Crouch supports Matt Hancock.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    In that case find a nice hotel bar, rather than somewhere where the juniors can laugh at how much a drink costs (and order hundreds of them).

    I got an interview with the Captain on the way back from my stag night (Bucharest - Dubai) and had to convince him I’d be okay at the other end. (I’ve a pilot’s licence, and live in Dubai and know what they think of drunken idiots, I’d be okay if I got four hours’ sleep on the flight - which was exactly how it played out).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    DavidL said:

    Best things about GOT:

    “Lannisters always pay their debts”. A brilliant threat of multiple applications.

    Starks: “Winter is coming “. Equally applicable. Prepare for the worst.

    Basically anything Tyrion Lannister said. Best character by a distance.
    No good deed goes unpunished...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,865
    So by far the largest block is what might be described as May loyalists, for want of a better description. Loyalists generally would do. And who has been fishing most assiduously in those waters? Step forward Mr Gove.

    I think that the final 2 will be Gove-v- Boris. Gove just might win.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Combining Wikipedia and Guido, the figures are (including candidates):

    GOVE 33
    GYIMAH 4
    HANCOCK 13
    HARPER 7
    HUNT 33
    JAVID 17
    JOHNSON 50
    LEADSOM 5
    McVEY 6
    RAAB 24
    STEWART 6

    Declared 198/313 (63.3%)

    So basically a 3-horse race:

    JOHNSON 50
    GOVE 33
    HUNT 33

    RAAB 24
    JAVID 17
    HANCOCK 13

    HARPER 7
    McVEY 6
    STEWART 6
    LEADSOM 5
    GYIMAH 4

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited June 2019
    JohnO said:

    The most subtly enigmatic poster, and by some measure, is Malcolmg

    I [HEART] Malc! :D
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    In that case find a nice hotel bar, rather than somewhere where the juniors can laugh at how much a drink costs (and order hundreds of them).

    I got an interview with the Captain on the way back from my stag night (Bucharest - Dubai) and had to convince him I’d be okay at the other end. (I’ve a pilot’s licence, and live in Dubai and know what they think of drunken idiots, I’d be okay if I got four hours’ sleep on the flight - which was exactly how it played out).
    We're already on the way to the latter...

    See you on the other side, I hope.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Combining Wikipedia and Guido, the figures are (including candidates):

    GOVE 33
    GYIMAH 4
    HANCOCK 13
    HARPER 7
    HUNT 33
    JAVID 17
    JOHNSON 50
    LEADSOM 5
    McVEY 6
    RAAB 24
    STEWART 6

    Declared 198/313 (63.3%)

    So basically a 3-horse race:

    JOHNSON 50
    GOVE 33
    HUNT 33

    RAAB 24
    JAVID 17
    HANCOCK 13

    HARPER 7
    McVEY 6
    STEWART 6
    LEADSOM 5
    GYIMAH 4

    I would say so.


    The markets pretty much agree, save for Johnson which they make a clear favourite (1/2) compared to the other top tier candidates... and Leadsom (on 10/1)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    In that case find a nice hotel bar, rather than somewhere where the juniors can laugh at how much a drink costs (and order hundreds of them).

    I got an interview with the Captain on the way back from my stag night (Bucharest - Dubai) and had to convince him I’d be okay at the other end. (I’ve a pilot’s licence, and live in Dubai and know what they think of drunken idiots, I’d be okay if I got four hours’ sleep on the flight - which was exactly how it played out).
    We're already on the way to the latter...

    See you on the other side, I hope.
    Have fun!
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Pulpstar said:

    Just watched Leadsom's leader video. 68 camera changes in 80 seconds.

    She’s only declared one new MP today.

    I think we can conclude she’s struggling. If she had a plan to announce a secret batch she’d lined up, she’d have used it.
    Why is she doing so badly? I thought she was considered to have been one of the more effective ministers and would have gained credit for standing up to Bercow.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Hoey is a spoof MP. She really is an absolute laughing stock.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    So Donald has declared the Moon is part of Mars.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    dodrade said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just watched Leadsom's leader video. 68 camera changes in 80 seconds.

    She’s only declared one new MP today.

    I think we can conclude she’s struggling. If she had a plan to announce a secret batch she’d lined up, she’d have used it.
    Why is she doing so badly? I thought she was considered to have been one of the more effective ministers and would have gained credit for standing up to Bercow.
    Fatally undermined by having pulled out last time, in essence saying she was not up to like May was?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    DavidL said:

    So by far the largest block is what might be described as May loyalists, for want of a better description. Loyalists generally would do. And who has been fishing most assiduously in those waters? Step forward Mr Gove.

    I think that the final 2 will be Gove-v- Boris. Gove just might win.

    How? Loyalists seem in very short supply among the Tory membership, even if Gove can top among MPs.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Sad though this may be, I can usually pick up who the poster is from reading the post without even looking at the name. This applies to some more than others, and to SeanT more than most because of his own special style. In fact I'd say only Ave It is more easily identifiable.

    Byronic is definitely not SeanT, though why it should bother anybody is beyond me.
    I make a real effort to use a different writing style for each of my six PB identities...
    I’ve never been brave enough to claim a writing style.
    Believe it or not, Alastair, you are one of the easier 'picks'.

    Other easy picks include David Herdson, Richard Nabavi, Sunil, Cyclefree and of course OGH!
    I’ve never been called an “easy pick” before. Oh, the shame!

    I have 3 writing styles: a serious one for my own blog, a slightly more unrestrained one for here and one for friends and family where I am off the leash entirely....

    And then there are my talks - which really are talks, proper performances - rather than reading out a speech. Talking of which (@SeanT-style boasting to follow) I am doing two of those next week in NY - and being filmed - so I need to do some preparation this weekend.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Charles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    Now he's a big shot in Hollywood he’s wary of saying something he regrets.
    Loads of PBers have multiple/changed usernames. The insane purges over people who come back under another name are thankfully in the past. There was a time when posters would call for bans when one anonymous poster returned as another anonymous poster - utterly ridiculous!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Is this really the time for such a pissing contest? I know neither cares much for the UK's monomania on Brexit, but calm the heck down please lads (and laddettes).
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    ...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    To quote Homer J. Simpson: It's funny because it's true.
    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1137079285003558913
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Perhaps Casino Royale and Union
    Divvie are in fact the same woman?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Sad though this may be, I can usually pick up who the poster is from reading the post without even looking at the name. This applies to some more than others, and to SeanT more than most because of his own special style. In fact I'd say only Ave It is more easily identifiable.

    Byronic is definitely not SeanT, though why it should bother anybody is beyond me.
    I make a real effort to use a different writing style for each of my six PB identities...
    I’ve never been brave enough to claim a writing style.
    You just ripped off antifrank's.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    Pulpstar said:

    Just watched Leadsom's leader video. 68 camera changes in 80 seconds.

    https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1136998615665303553
    It's not terrible. The hashtag is a bit pants.

    Lucky Guy and Southam Observer.

    Separated at birth.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Cyclefree said:

    matt said:

    I obviously missed this:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1136780369737453569

    CHUK: 0%. That went well.

    Given the broader circumstances, I think now would be a good time to start preparing for a lunatic Marxist takeover. It's impossible to stockpile everything in my tiny flat, but I've got plenty of candles and was thinking of stocking up on Kendal Mint Cake (emergency sugary energy, in case of severe food shortages and/or five-hour queues at the local Red Star Supermarket,) and at least one massive pack of good quality bog rolls.

    Bearing in mind space constraints and the need to prioritise (a thousand litres of bottled water, for example, is not practical,) what else should I be thinking of hoarding now to prepare for the Revolution?

    I wouldn’t worry. It’s been Labsplained on here that the mass of Labour MPs would exercise effective control over Corbyn and the SWP infiltrators. Because the past is no guide to the future, or something.
    So, as I was saying, how should one prepare best for the reduction of the country to a Venezuelan level of ruin? I'm doing my best at the moment to get fit so I'm more likely to be predator than prey if the time comes when we start killing and eating each other, but any other tips would be appreciated.

    (And yes, I have already considered emigration, but I'm too old and lacking in the necessary niche skills, and besides I'm not prepared to abandon the aged parents to die.)
    Come to the Lake District: lots of sheep and blackberries in the hedges, plenty of apple and plum trees, lakes to wash in and guns to fight off townies......
    Cyclefree and Philip Thompson.

    Brothers by a different mother.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Perhaps Casino Royale and Union
    Divvie are in fact the same woman?
    A fun game, trying to determine one's own PB twin.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,133
    kle4 said:

    Is this really the time for such a pissing contest? I know neither cares much for the UK's monomania on Brexit, but calm the heck down please lads (and laddettes).
    The fishing lobby in both countries is very powerful.

    This could become quite serious
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Sad though this may be, I can usually pick up who the poster is from reading the post without even looking at the name. This applies to some more than others, and to SeanT more than most because of his own special style. In fact I'd say only Ave It is more easily identifiable.

    Byronic is definitely not SeanT, though why it should bother anybody is beyond me.
    I make a real effort to use a different writing style for each of my six PB identities...
    Ah, the identity of Mike Smithson is finally revealed!
    RobD and Bobajob

    Two bollocks in the same sack.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    kle4 said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Perhaps Casino Royale and Union
    Divvie are in fact the same woman?
    A fun game, trying to determine one's own PB twin.

    Huh. We are unique.

  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).

    MaxPB and The Apocalypse

    Either side of the same mirror.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Anorak said:

    To quote Homer J. Simpson: It's funny because it's true.
    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1137079285003558913

    Does he mean Alan Partridge when he says Steve Coogan?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237

    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...

    You sound like the sort of dodgy character who might go running through fields of wheat.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Chris said:

    Anorak said:

    To quote Homer J. Simpson: It's funny because it's true.
    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1137079285003558913

    Does he mean Alan Partridge when he says Steve Coogan?
    Boris Johnson and Alan Partridge.

    Same bloke.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,355
    In the real world, Nick Palmer is Plato's sister.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?
    I don’t think any party will roll them back, once they are in force. I think the result of the laws will be that many fewer people will watch porn, most won’t consider it worth the hassle.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534



    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?

    Yes, and I'd grown up in Denmark with Deep Throat in the cinemas, so I don't know why I thought Emanuelle would be gripping. Just first-expenses-paid fun, I think.

    I sincerely doubt whether Jeremy Corbyn has ever given a millisecond's thought to online pornography - he probably wouldn't be against in principle, just feel it was a tiresome distraction from gardening or reading about trade unions in Colombia. If Labour has a policy on this, I have no clue what it is.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810



    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?

    Yes, and I'd grown up in Denmark with Deep Throat in the cinemas, so I don't know why I thought Emanuelle would be gripping. Just first-expenses-paid fun, I think.

    I sincerely doubt whether Jeremy Corbyn has ever given a millisecond's thought to online pornography - he probably wouldn't be against in principle, just feel it was a tiresome distraction from gardening or reading about trade unions in Colombia. If Labour has a policy on this, I have no clue what it is.
    😂
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    In the real world, Nick Palmer is Plato's sister.

    Funny old world!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Perhaps Casino Royale and Union
    Divvie are in fact the same woman?
    No, I'm Andrea Leadsom.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    _Anazina_ said:

    Chris said:

    Anorak said:

    To quote Homer J. Simpson: It's funny because it's true.
    https://twitter.com/lisaocarroll/status/1137079285003558913

    Does he mean Alan Partridge when he says Steve Coogan?
    Boris Johnson and Alan Partridge.

    Same bloke.
    When ever I see a clip of Tiswaz on those programs that look back at the 1970s I could just imagine Boris Johnson on it. He would be throwing a bucket of sick at someone, its the Boris image he is so 70s IMO!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    dodrade said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just watched Leadsom's leader video. 68 camera changes in 80 seconds.

    She’s only declared one new MP today.

    I think we can conclude she’s struggling. If she had a plan to announce a secret batch she’d lined up, she’d have used it.
    Why is she doing so badly? I thought she was considered to have been one of the more effective ministers and would have gained credit for standing up to Bercow.
    Good question.

    She might get sympathy nominations and make it into the first round.

    I can't see her getting any further.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    AFAICR, SeanT has admitted in the past to going onto websites (e.g. newspapers) and posting beneath the line 'in character' to provoke comment.

    But if he was doing that on here, he'd be someone like @TheJezziah, not someone who could be mistaken for him. There'd be little sport in that ...
    Perhaps Casino Royale and Union
    Divvie are in fact the same woman?
    No, I'm Andrea Leadsom.
    I always assumed Andrea was The Jezziah IRL?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    edited June 2019

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    So deciding on our pseudo-alter-egos on here, turns out to be more interesting than the Tory leader race...

  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979



    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?

    Yes, and I'd grown up in Denmark with Deep Throat in the cinemas, so I don't know why I thought Emanuelle would be gripping. Just first-expenses-paid fun, I think.

    I sincerely doubt whether Jeremy Corbyn has ever given a millisecond's thought to online pornography - he probably wouldn't be against in principle, just feel it was a tiresome distraction from gardening or reading about trade unions in Colombia. If Labour has a policy on this, I have no clue what it is.
    lol - Thanks! I suppose given the current political backdrop online pornography is pretty niche market thinking. Claire Perry IIRC was a major driver on the issue when she was a backbencher, which is strange as she was quoted in one newspaper a few years ago as asking if she needed to give John Bercow a BJ to get called to speak in the chamber.

    If SeanT is reading this he could write a film set in the commons in and around the chamber. It would be riveting I am sure!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Is there any way to prove your age online without disclosing your identity? I can't see that there is.

    Maybe a digital thumbprint that (rather like rings on a tree) dates you but does not give away anything else unless linked to national police records?

    Otherwise I agree - the new rules will be very damaging to the porn sector. There will be job losses.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163


    So deciding on our pseudo-alter-egos on here, turns out to be more interesting than the Tory leader race...

    How about trying to figure out which Tory leadership candidate we each most resemble, if we want to become truly depressed?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    edited June 2019
    _Anazina_ said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?
    I don’t think any party will roll them back, once they are in force. I think the result of the laws will be that many fewer people will watch porn, most won’t consider it worth the hassle.
    Err, nope.

    I live in a country where internet censorship had led to every yummy mummy becoming an expert on VPN and DNS services, so they can watch the latest Eastenders or GoT episode.

    This is exactly what’s about to happen in the U.K, with teenagers competing in the playground to find the easiest way to access the porn sites, and as they do so, circumventing a bunch of other ways that we can protect kids from the worst things the internet has to offer.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    kinabalu said:

    Is there any way to prove your age online without disclosing your identity? I can't see that there is.

    Maybe a kind of CAPTCHA made up of cabinet ministers from days gone by.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    _Anazina_ said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    lol - Emanuelle seems tame these days given what is available online!

    Just out of interest on a political angle, new laws about proving age to look at pornographic material online will soon be active. It used to be the case that Labour was more 'liberal' on sleaze and often initiated relaxation of regulation of that side of life. Do you think a Corbyn led Government would relax the new porn laws?
    I don’t think any party will roll them back, once they are in force. I think the result of the laws will be that many fewer people will watch porn, most won’t consider it worth the hassle.
    Yes, I think you are right about people not bothering.

    I recently replied to a YouGov on the subject and the age verification process seems to be implemented on areas outside pornography. My attitude is if I have to start paying for age verification for shopping online for products that have nothing to do with pornography I will not shop online. I also think it gives big data companies more information than I am comfortable in disclosing.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    So deciding on our pseudo-alter-egos on here, turns out to be more interesting than the Tory leader race...

    I am my own pseudo-alter-ego

    I most definitely am not Jeremy Hunt
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kinabalu said:

    Is there any way to prove your age online without disclosing your identity? I can't see that there is.

    Maybe a digital thumbprint that (rather like rings on a tree) dates you but does not give away anything else unless linked to national police records?

    Otherwise I agree - the new rules will be very damaging to the porn sector. There will be job losses.

    I’m glad you’re abreast of the subject. It might be hard going. Do you think some might pull out?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited June 2019
    @Charles & @SandyRentool long lost twins.
    @isam & @TheScreamingEagles kindred spirits
    @GeoffM & @murali_s a shared vision
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    Many moons ago I worked with a young saleswoman who was reasonably good at her job but just disappeared one day, never to return. It transpired she’d be fiddling her expenses for nearly two years and going out with her pals for long lunches to various upper-end London restaurants by simply claiming she was taking out prospects. She only got caught because - after doing this for months - someone in accounts spotted that one of her lunches was on a Sunday. So vanishingly rare was a Sunday client lunch that they raised the alarm and bang! Stupid mistake really. She booked enough genuine business to get away with it. But I guess every blagger gets overconfident in the end.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    I can reveal I am in fact...

    Mark Reckless...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    Some take the view that if you are delayed on the way to a work appointment then it is the company's loss, but if you are delayed on the way back home it is your loss.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    The 'ban' won't work because VPNs exist. And it is incredibly difficult to regulate VPNs. So essentially the government is just creating a lot of extra hassle and not really achieving much.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    I guess that depends on the relationship between the flight booker, payer, passenger and anyone else inconvenienced, such as an employer who sees their worker back a day late thanks to the delayed or cancelled flight.

    I once screwed up and missed a flight I’d checked in for, and ate the quite extortionate rebooking charge from BA (they cancel the return and make you rebook as a last minute flyer on both legs) because it was easier than trying to explain the details to the company.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,869
    _Anazina_ said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    Many moons ago I worked with a young saleswoman who was reasonably good at her job but just disappeared one day, never to return. It transpired she’d be fiddling her expenses for nearly two years and going out with her pals for long lunches to various upper-end London restaurants by simply claiming she was taking out prospects. She only got caught because - after doing this for months - someone in accounts spotted that one of her lunches was on a Sunday. So vanishingly rare was a Sunday client lunch that they raised the alarm and bang! Stupid mistake really. She booked enough genuine business to get away with it. But I guess every blagger gets overconfident in the end.
    Part of my job used to involve dealing with expense fraud cases. Almost everyone we caught had started small - sometimes even an accident that they got away with - then got greedy to the point where someone noticed.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @AndreaParma_82 and Andrea Leadsom .... :smiley:

    And with that goodnight ....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163

    The 'ban' won't work because VPNs exist. And it is incredibly difficult to regulate VPNs. So essentially the government is just creating a lot of extra hassle and not really achieving much.

    No doubt it'll give the government a momentary sense of intense satisfaction followed by regret.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    The 'ban' won't work because VPNs exist. And it is incredibly difficult to regulate VPNs. So essentially the government is just creating a lot of extra hassle and not really achieving much.

    Personally I don't see the point. When I was a lad you could find 'jazz mags' dumped in secluded places. Since the internet revolutionised pornography I have not noticed magazines dumped in places. I think people dumping it in local communities is worse than the internet because a young child not looking for it might see it. What I find really interesting about the subject is those who object to the state interfering in peoples lives for other reasons are the greatest advocates of new porn laws! Politics is a funny business....
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    kle4 said:

    The 'ban' won't work because VPNs exist. And it is incredibly difficult to regulate VPNs. So essentially the government is just creating a lot of extra hassle and not really achieving much.

    No doubt it'll give the government a momentary sense of intense satisfaction followed by regret.
    Given the Governments lack of competence, it will just be another cock-up!
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    Some take the view that if you are delayed on the way to a work appointment then it is the company's loss, but if you are delayed on the way back home it is your loss.
    What about cashback for hotel/flight booking via certain apps? Should that cash go back to your employer? In which case, what mechanism are you supposed to use to pay your employer?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    @IanB2 is @SeanT in deep cover mode. Double bluff.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    ...
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    _Anazina_ said:

    ...

    All right then, keep your secrets...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    edited June 2019
    _Anazina_ said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    Some take the view that if you are delayed on the way to a work appointment then it is the company's loss, but if you are delayed on the way back home it is your loss.
    What about cashback for hotel/flight booking via certain apps? Should that cash go back to your employer? In which case, what mechanism are you supposed to use to pay your employer?
    Employers are waking up to this now, and making sure they book everything themselves to capture these benefits for the company (or the CEO and his family).

    The difficulty is in quantifying such benefits for the accountants, when there’s not a transfer of cash or credit involved.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    _Anazina_ said:

    ...

    Clearing the draft thing on Vanilla? That annoys me too....
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Freggles said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    ...

    All right then, keep your secrets...
    😁
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    RobD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    ...

    Clearing the draft thing on Vanilla? That annoys me too....
    Bobajob says the same.

    Curiouser and curiouser...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,534
    edited June 2019
    Sandpit said:


    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.

    I once worked for a statistician, whose secretary (remember when blokes had secretaries?) used to claim sick leave with alarming frequency on Mondays. Eventually he sat down and did an analysis, finding that it was 99.97% improbable that the pattern was by chance. He put the case to her, and thereafter her absences varied randomly, though I think no less frequently...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    _Anazina_ said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    Some take the view that if you are delayed on the way to a work appointment then it is the company's loss, but if you are delayed on the way back home it is your loss.
    What about cashback for hotel/flight booking via certain apps? Should that cash go back to your employer? In which case, what mechanism are you supposed to use to pay your employer?
    I know airline points are usually specified in travel policies.

    But cash back for booking via apps is problematic for me. You are being personally remunerated for directing your company’s business. Not sure of the philosophical difference between that and a backhander.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238
    Take a couple of years, and don’t finish it.

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    kinabalu said:

    Is there any way to prove your age online without disclosing your identity? I can't see that there is.

    Maybe a digital thumbprint that (rather like rings on a tree) dates you but does not give away anything else unless linked to national police records?

    Otherwise I agree - the new rules will be very damaging to the porn sector. There will be job losses.

    Technically it's possible to give someone a card that can sign data to prove you have it, and attest to the fact that you're a certain age (or over a certain age, without revealing the age) without revealing other data about you. I think there's some functionality like this in the Estonian ID cards.

    Obviously that only proves that you're in possession of a card, not that it's your card, but that's also true of checks based on personal information: There's no way for the porn company to know that it's *your* personal information that you're submitting.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Sandpit,

    Yes, it’s one of those grey areas. We book our own travel. Some of our jetsetting sales girls must make a small fortune in air miles - but I think they just see it as a perk of the job for flying about all the time.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    _Anazina_ said:

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's our last night in Vilnius, I've got the company gold card, there are about 7 of us left here and I'm easily the most senior. :lol:

    Sh1t happens. I’m sure you can find somewhere with ladies dancing that will give you a receipt saying ‘meals’ to match your credit card charges.
    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).
    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    Some take the view that if you are delayed on the way to a work appointment then it is the company's loss, but if you are delayed on the way back home it is your loss.
    What about cashback for hotel/flight booking via certain apps? Should that cash go back to your employer? In which case, what mechanism are you supposed to use to pay your employer?
    This is where you get people booking a more expensive option just because they get a better personal benefit. You could use the word 'kickback', and if they were using the same approach with the choice of paperclip suppliers they'd be down the road.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628

    Sandpit said:


    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.

    I once worked for a statistician, whose secretary (remember when blokes had secretaries?) used to claim sick leave with alarming frequency on Mondays. Eventually he sat down and did an analysis, finding that it was 99.97% improbable that the pattern was by chance. He put the case to her, and thereafter her absences varied randomly, though I think no less frequently...
    LOL, that’s a great story.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Charles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Why would SeanT be posting under a non de plume anyway?

    Have I missed something? Has he been banned? Gone off in a huff again?

    Now he's a big shot in Hollywood he’s wary of saying something he regrets.
    The real loss will be for future biographers who will not have his treasure trove of posts filled with scientific racism and anti Muslim bigotry to draw upon.
    .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Several times? Makes Stewart's brief dalliance with opium seem as naughty as May's exploits in a corn field.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    Pulpstar said:

    @Charles & @SandyRentool long lost twins.
    @isam & @TheScreamingEagles kindred spirits
    @GeoffM & @murali_s a shared vision

    Strangely, I have just made a near-identical comment to one from Charles...
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814

    The 'ban' won't work because VPNs exist. And it is incredibly difficult to regulate VPNs. So essentially the government is just creating a lot of extra hassle and not really achieving much.

    Personally I don't see the point. When I was a lad you could find 'jazz mags' dumped in secluded places. Since the internet revolutionised pornography I have not noticed magazines dumped in places. I think people dumping it in local communities is worse than the internet because a young child not looking for it might see it. What I find really interesting about the subject is those who object to the state interfering in peoples lives for other reasons are the greatest advocates of new porn laws! Politics is a funny business....
    You can tell when a government is tired because they start moralising. The twilight period of Blair's premiership, and Brown's after that, were exactly the same. And although 'Back to Basics' was somewhat wilfully misinterpreted, Major's government also fell into this habit.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Gove taking out the trash - must think he has a big chance.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    _Anazina_ said:

    Sandpit,

    Yes, it’s one of those grey areas. We book our own travel. Some of our jetsetting sales girls must make a small fortune in air miles - but I think they just see it as a perk of the job for flying about all the time.

    The workings of airline loyalty schemes are a massive source of argument among corporate travel departments, and especially so in expatriate communities where people go flying somewhere every week, relying on the air miles for the annual family holiday.
  • MauveMauve Posts: 129

    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:



    That's not the worry, it's a company expensed night out in eastern Europe with a bunch of juniors and associates that has me extremely worried for my liver (and tomorrow's flight).

    I remember my first business trip (about 40 years ago), staying in a hotel which offered dodgy movies on the room TV for a DM 20 surcharge, with a 10-minute free sample. Idly curious, I put Emanuelle on, glancing up from The Times at the topless bits but ultimately finding the newspaper more interesting (sad, eh?). I forgot to switch it off before the 10 minute break, so next day had a "Miscellaneous: DM 20" on my bill. Dilemma:

    1. Do I claim this back as some unexplained expense, knowing it was very unlikely to be queried, but basically making my company pay for absent-minded sleaze? Or

    2. Not claim it back, and explain to my boss why I had omitted it? Nowadays I'd see no problem, but back then it seemed incredibly embarrassing.

    In the end I did claim it, but omitted claiming for a DM 25 taxi fare...
    My worst expenses dilemma was whether or not to claim for a room that I got refunded in the morning, because I complained that the shower was unserviceable at 11am. The hotel (a well known chain of inns) made a point of not asking me for the receipt when issuing the refund, and in the end I claimed it back.

    A bit different to the expenses offered to MPs, where I believe you were very conservative (yes I know) in what you claimed back, so good on you.
    I always struggle with the compensation for delayed flights... Is it a refund for failure to provide the service promise or compensation got inconvenience...?
    Some take the view that if you are delayed on the way to a work appointment then it is the company's loss, but if you are delayed on the way back home it is your loss.
    The view where I work seems to be that keeping the money for delayed flights or trains is acceptable based on the idea that the company is paying you to work, not travel. So any delay on your way home (it always seems to be on the return journey that I'm delayed) is a loss of your time. Then again I'm also not one of those people who tries to get minibar and laundry bills put on their hotel bill as dinners, so I like to think I'm following the spirit of the policy.

    The main one I struggle with is taxi and transport fares at weekends when I'm away. I don't feel right claiming it back because I'm not doing anything work related, but it's also money I wouldn't be spending if I was at home.

    Our UK offices seem to be quite conservative when compared to other countries anyway though, where they think nothing of charging clients for business class flights, even when it's only a couple of hours.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited June 2019
    Is it time to speculate which of the leadership contenders haven't taken controlled substances? We have Hunt and the cannabis lassi, Rory's opium hit and now Gove's coke nose.

    I don't think Leadsom will have indulged, being a mother and all, and McVey seems a bit too up herself to have done them. Hancock seems a bit plain to have done them too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,679
    TGOHF said:

    Gove taking out the trash - must think he has a big chance.

    Gove's chances are not to be sniffed at.

    Kaboom.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,238

    I can reveal I am in fact...

    Mark Reckless...

    Better watch out for anyone in expensive shoes carrying pokers, then....

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    TGOHF said:

    Gove taking out the trash - must think he has a big chance.

    Gove's chances are not to be sniffed at.

    Kaboom.
    May's red lines replaced by Gove's white lines.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,628
    edited June 2019
    Wow, obviously getting his defence in first but fair play to him for admitting it up front.

    Edit: is the political line that he knows of other journalists turned politicians who may also have partaken in such indulgence?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited June 2019
    Well he's right about the knifing Boris thing. Frankly I don't know what people have a problem with in him doing it, that's politics. Same with Ed M. And if Boris could not handle Gove knifing him then clearly he wasn't up to the job, so it is not as though we were denied something spectacular.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,993
    RobD said:
    Yes - and the UK EEZ mutually agreed with Ireland extends 12.8 miles past the rock. Would seem to be an open and shut case AIUI.
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