A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
> @OldKingCole said: > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!' > > Wonder if her husband did!
Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!'
Wonder if her husband did!
He’s on record as saying he voted Labour. Whether he did or not is another matter. He’s far too canny to give Corbyn a “Blair expelled from Labour” headline.
> @Charles said: > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > Hunt 30 > > Johnson 29 > > Gove 27 > > Raab 22 > > Javid 16 > > Hancock 12 > > Malthouse 6 > > McVey 6 > > Leadsom 4 > > Stewart 3 > > Cleverly 2 > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @OldKingCole said: > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!' > > > > Wonder if her husband did! > > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
> @Charles said: > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > Hunt 30 > > Johnson 29 > > Gove 27 > > Raab 22 > > Javid 16 > > Hancock 12 > > Malthouse 6 > > McVey 6 > > Leadsom 4 > > Stewart 3 > > Cleverly 2 > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
> @Cyclefree said: McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us. ---------------------------------------------- We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing.
> @Charles said: > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > Hunt 30 > > Johnson 29 > > Gove 27 > > Raab 22 > > Javid 16 > > Hancock 12 > > Malthouse 6 > > McVey 6 > > Leadsom 4 > > Stewart 3 > > Cleverly 2 > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
'Finals'. Another bloody Americanism. There is one final. Singular.
> @HYUFD said: > > @Charles said: > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > > > > > Hunt 30 > > > > Johnson 29 > > > > Gove 27 > > > > Raab 22 > > > > Javid 16 > > > > Hancock 12 > > > > Malthouse 6 > > > > McVey 6 > > > > Leadsom 4 > > > > Stewart 3 > > > > Cleverly 2 > > > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals > > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue. > > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
> @OldKingCole said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @OldKingCole said: > > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!' > > > > > > Wonder if her husband did! > > > > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away > > We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
------------------------------- I think it would. The further we get from the original vote and the more some Brexiteers refuse to take various options to actually exist the easier and easier it becomes to move on from it, for a few more people to change their minds. Not all that many have, but when faced with certain polarised options the chances are higher.
I think Brexit was holed beneath the waterline once it became clear months ago that no Brexit option would get through parliament without a means to cancel it at the same time. Out politicians are just slowly catching up to that reality.
> A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
> I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
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If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
Do you have data to support that “Given”? That was my question and you have just asserted the answer.
> A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
> @Charles said: > > @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > > > @Charles said: > > > > > > @Charles said: > > > > > > > > > > > > My concerns about MMR are different to the anti-vaxxers > > > > > > > > Concerns about MMR? Are you a scientist? > > > > > > Charles works for a pharmaceutical company I believe. > > > > I asked him earlier about the actual data. > > Still awaiting a reply. > > I was in a meeting talking about developing vaccines for ASF. Sorry you weren’t my #1 priority
African Swine Fever? Will we still be subject to the Directive if we Leave. Or is that something else that the EU is insisting on against out interests. (Or some such rot!)
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African Swine Fever? Will we still be subject to the Directive if we Leave. Or is that something else that the EU is insisting on against out interests. (Or some such rot!)
Yes. Around 50-70% of China’s pigs have died. That’s the equivalent to the US+EU herd.
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @HYUFD said: > > > @Charles said: > > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > > > > > > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hunt 30 > > > > > > Johnson 29 > > > > > > Gove 27 > > > > > > Raab 22 > > > > > > Javid 16 > > > > > > Hancock 12 > > > > > > Malthouse 6 > > > > > > McVey 6 > > > > > > Leadsom 4 > > > > > > Stewart 3 > > > > > > Cleverly 2 > > > > > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > > > > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > > > > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals > > > > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue. > > > > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove > > I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
If, contrary to your expectation, those candidates poll very well with the general public and the candidates you like do not, would you vote for the losers or for a winner?
That second chart tells us that Tory party members want a hard Brexit. It's not inconceivable that 100,000 or so people select a PM who will strive to bring economic chaos and, very likely, the end of the Union.
Right now the only two bulwarks are: a) Tory MPs, who can select a final two candidates who both refuse to contenance No Deal, and b) Remainer Tory MPs, who in the face of No Deal could support an opposition VoNC (although here there are some doubts that a VoNC could be done in time to stop a determined No Deal Tory PM).
Thanks goodness the Tories are the natural party of government and can therefore be relied upon to lead the country safely through these dark times.
> @Charles said: > > @Charles said: > > > > @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > > > > > > > @Nigel_Foremain said: > > > > > > > > > @Charles said: > > > > > > > > > > @Charles said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My concerns about MMR are different to the anti-vaxxers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerns about MMR? Are you a scientist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles works for a pharmaceutical company I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked him earlier about the actual data. > > > > > > Still awaiting a reply. > > > > > > I was in a meeting talking about developing vaccines for ASF. Sorry you weren’t my #1 priority > > > > African Swine Fever? Will we still be subject to the Directive if we Leave. Or is that something else that the EU is insisting on against out interests. (Or some such rot!) > > Yes. Around 50-70% of China’s pigs have died. That’s the equivalent to the US+EU herd. > > And there’s no cure.
Didn't realise that it was that bad. It hasn't spread South and East yet, though.
> @Stereotomy said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > @Charles said: > > > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hunt 30 > > > > > > > > Johnson 29 > > > > > > > > Gove 27 > > > > > > > > Raab 22 > > > > > > > > Javid 16 > > > > > > > > Hancock 12 > > > > > > > > Malthouse 6 > > > > > > > > McVey 6 > > > > > > > > Leadsom 4 > > > > > > > > Stewart 3 > > > > > > > > Cleverly 2 > > > > > > > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > > > > > > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > > > > > > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals > > > > > > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue. > > > > > > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove > > > > I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country > > If, contrary to your expectation, those candidates poll very well with the general public and the candidates you like do not, would you vote for the losers or for a winner?
Could you provide a link to how they poll well with the public (ex Conhome) and which candidates have I said I do not like ?
Furthermore, television exposure could result in a car crash for some, indeed I expect for most of the candidates. I have no idea who will come through but I await with interest the outcome and my vote will be decided then, though I will not vote for Boris
> @kle4 said: > > @Cyclefree said: > McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us. > ---------------------------------------------- > We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing.
I am a Governor at a primary school where this has now become a hot topic as we have a similar demographic to some of the Birmingham schools. The view of many parents can be summed up by one's comment that "I brought my child to this country to get a good education, not so he can be taught it is fine to be gay". Logical argument won't get you far when you are dealing with that mentality.
What I am annoyed at though is that the Government should have realised that this had the potential to cause trouble and it should have been ready to offer support and assistance where needed. Instead, schools and headteachers have been left out to dry and to cope with the backlash.
> > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
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I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
History would suggest that both main parties usually choose a loser who ticks the right party boxes, over a likely GE winner...
Foot Kinnock Brown Hague IDS Howard Corbyn
... all spring to mind (accepting that some were annointed rather chosen by a party college or party members).
> @TheKitchenCabinet said: > > @kle4 said: > > > @Cyclefree said: > > McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us. > > ---------------------------------------------- > > We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing. > > I am a Governor at a primary school where this has now become a hot topic as we have a similar demographic to some of the Birmingham schools. The view of many parents can be summed up by one's comment that "I brought my child to this country to get a good education, not so he can be taught it is fine to be gay". > Logical argument won't get you far when you are dealing with that mentality. > > What I am annoyed at though is that the Government should have realised that this had the potential to cause trouble and it should have been ready to offer support and assistance where needed. Instead, schools and headteachers have been left out to dry and to cope with the backlash. >
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Didn't realise that it was that bad. It hasn't spread South and East yet, though.
Did a YouGov which asked about the Euro elections - it had an option to select 'because of the leader of the party' or some such as a potential reason to have voted for the party in question. Cannot see many people ticking that.
And then a section on Farage and if he is racist or not, and if various parties will fade away in the next 10 years.
> @Benpointer said: > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1134129653424250880 > > https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1134129655420739585 > > 41% are Sparticus! > > That second chart tells us that Tory party members want a hard Brexit. It's not inconceivable that 100,000 or so people select a PM who will strive to bring economic chaos and, very likely, the end of the Union. > > Right now the only two bulwarks are: > a) Tory MPs, who can select a final two candidates who both refuse to contenance No Deal, and > b) Remainer Tory MPs, who in the face of No Deal could support an opposition VoNC (although here there are some doubts that a VoNC could be done in time to stop a determined No Deal Tory PM). > > Thanks goodness the Tories are the natural party of government and can therefore be relied upon to lead the country safely through these dark times. > > Strong and stable! ____________________
Our constitution seems to be broken and in need of PR and/or more checks and balances.
Nearly all developed countries have both of them. A few countries like New Zealand only have one (PR). We have none!!!
> @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > @Stereotomy said: > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > @HYUFD said: > > > > > @Charles said: > > > > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia numbers: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hunt 30 > > > > > > > > > > Johnson 29 > > > > > > > > > > Gove 27 > > > > > > > > > > Raab 22 > > > > > > > > > > Javid 16 > > > > > > > > > > Hancock 12 > > > > > > > > > > Malthouse 6 > > > > > > > > > > McVey 6 > > > > > > > > > > Leadsom 4 > > > > > > > > > > Stewart 3 > > > > > > > > > > Cleverly 2 > > > > > > > > > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris > > > > > > > > > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not? > > > > > > > > > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals > > > > > > > > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue. > > > > > > > > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove > > > > > > I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country > > > > If, contrary to your expectation, those candidates poll very well with the general public and the candidates you like do not, would you vote for the losers or for a winner? > > Could you provide a link to how they poll well with the public (ex Conhome) and which candidates have I said I do not like ? > > Furthermore, television exposure could result in a car crash for some, indeed I expect for most of the candidates. I have no idea who will come through but I await with interest the outcome and my vote will be decided then, though I will not vote for Boris
It was a hypothetical. Hence the "if" at the beginning
> @OldKingCole said: > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > @OldKingCole said: > > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!' > > > > > > Wonder if her husband did! > > > > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away > > We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
George Asbo on R4 advanced his “contrarian” theory that the Brexiters will come to advocate a referendum, as the only way they can get their project done, and remainers will come to resist it fearing a Leave result leading to hard Brexit.
- “That second chart tells us that Tory party members want a hard Brexit. It's not inconceivable that 100,000 or so people select a PM who will strive to bring economic chaos and, very likely, the end of the Union.”
Rarely shocked by market research or social research, but that chart of how Tory members voted is quite simply stunning. The next PM is about to be elected by imposters.
And folk wonder why Scots have gone off the Union.
> A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
> @IanB2 said: > > @OldKingCole said: > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said: > > > > @OldKingCole said: > > > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!' > > > > > > > > Wonder if her husband did! > > > > > > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away > > > > We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result. > > George Asbo on R4 advanced his “contrarian” theory that the Brexiters will come to advocate a referendum, as the only way they can get their project done, and remainers will come to resist it fearing a Leave result leading to hard Brexit.
It is one of the more likely switches to move us on from gridlock. Listening to Labour MPs trying to explain the intricacies of which particular referenda they support will be interesting.
Polling suggests the majority - in some cases 80 per cent plus of British women do not consider themselves ‘feminists’ while supporting gender equality - so share Raabs views. I expect the figure is even higher amongst Tory party members.
It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women.
I don’t consider myself a feminist. I associate the word with angry women who scream about toxic masculinity and privilege.
I do support, however, equal opportunities for women and equal respect. I don’t go in for pulling people up, at work, when they use the suffix -man on any word whatsoever as I don’t see that as the battle that needs to be fought. Indeed, I consider it petty and counterproductive.
Instead, I judge other men by their behaviour, and the integrity and respect they show toward women. Which is generally based on how much time they get to listen and know them and their aspirations, strengths and weaknesses rather than just recruiting in their own image.
I’d say I’m a fairist.
I have been informed that the phrase you are looking for is "egalitarian"
I thought Jesse Norman was a girl! Honestly, this race is getting weirder and weirder. Is anybody not standing, apart from Mickey Fab and the lovely Penny?
McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us.
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We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing.
> @viewcode said: > Dominic Raab a pound shop Owen Smith? > > > > https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1134005861427400704 > > > > Polling suggests the majority - in some cases 80 per cent plus of British women do not consider themselves ‘feminists’ while supporting gender equality - so share Raabs views. I expect the figure is even higher amongst Tory party members. > > It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women. > > I don’t consider myself a feminist. I associate the word with angry women who scream about toxic masculinity and privilege. > > I do support, however, equal opportunities for women and equal respect. I don’t go in for pulling people up, at work, when they use the suffix -man on any word whatsoever as I don’t see that as the battle that needs to be fought. Indeed, I consider it petty and counterproductive. > > Instead, I judge other men by their behaviour, and the integrity and respect they show toward women. Which is generally based on how much time they get to listen and know them and their aspirations, strengths and weaknesses rather than just recruiting in their own image. > > I’d say I’m a fairist. > > I have been informed that the phrase you are looking for is "egalitarian"
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Wonder if her husband did!
Last time I saw England v Pakistan at Trent Bridge England broke the world record for the highest ODI score.
Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
> Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!'
>
> Wonder if her husband did!
Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
> A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
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> twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
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> Hunt 30
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> Johnson 29
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> Gove 27
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> Raab 22
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> Javid 16
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> Hancock 12
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> Malthouse 6
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> McVey 6
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> Leadsom 4
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> Stewart 3
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> Cleverly 2
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> I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
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> Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
>
> On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
Hope so
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1134129655420739585
> > @OldKingCole said:
> > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!'
> >
> > Wonder if her husband did!
>
> Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
> A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
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> twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
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> Wikipedia numbers:
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> Hunt 30
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> Johnson 29
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> Gove 27
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> Raab 22
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> Javid 16
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> Hancock 12
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> Malthouse 6
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> McVey 6
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> Leadsom 4
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> Stewart 3
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> Cleverly 2
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> I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
>
> Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
>
> On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us.
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We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1134142068685778944
> A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
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> twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
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> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
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> Wikipedia numbers:
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> Hunt 30
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> Johnson 29
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> Gove 27
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> Raab 22
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> Javid 16
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> Hancock 12
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> Malthouse 6
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> McVey 6
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> Leadsom 4
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> Stewart 3
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> Cleverly 2
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> I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
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> Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
>
> On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
'Finals'. Another bloody Americanism. There is one final. Singular.
> > @Charles said:
> > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
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> > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
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> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
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> > Wikipedia numbers:
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> > Hunt 30
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> > Johnson 29
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> > Gove 27
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> > Raab 22
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> > Javid 16
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> > Hancock 12
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> > Malthouse 6
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> > McVey 6
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> > Leadsom 4
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> > Stewart 3
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> > Cleverly 2
> >
> > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
> >
> > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
> >
> > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
>
> If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
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> Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @OldKingCole said:
> > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!'
> > >
> > > Wonder if her husband did!
> >
> > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
>
> We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
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I think it would. The further we get from the original vote and the more some Brexiteers refuse to take various options to actually exist the easier and easier it becomes to move on from it, for a few more people to change their minds. Not all that many have, but when faced with certain polarised options the chances are higher.
I think Brexit was holed beneath the waterline once it became clear months ago that no Brexit option would get through parliament without a means to cancel it at the same time. Out politicians are just slowly catching up to that reality.
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
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> > > @Nigel_Foremain said:
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> > > > @Charles said:
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> > > > > @Charles said:
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> > > > My concerns about MMR are different to the anti-vaxxers
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> > > Concerns about MMR? Are you a scientist?
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> > Charles works for a pharmaceutical company I believe.
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> I asked him earlier about the actual data.
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> Still awaiting a reply.
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> I was in a meeting talking about developing vaccines for ASF. Sorry you weren’t my #1 priority
African Swine Fever? Will we still be subject to the Directive if we Leave. Or is that something else that the EU is insisting on against out interests. (Or some such rot!)
And there’s no cure.
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @Charles said:
> > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
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> > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
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> > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
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> > >
> > > Wikipedia numbers:
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> > > Hunt 30
> > >
> > > Johnson 29
> > >
> > > Gove 27
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> > > Raab 22
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> > > Javid 16
> > >
> > > Hancock 12
> > >
> > > Malthouse 6
> > >
> > > McVey 6
> > >
> > > Leadsom 4
> > >
> > > Stewart 3
> > >
> > > Cleverly 2
> > >
> > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
> > >
> > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
> > >
> > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
> >
> > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
> >
> > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
>
> I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
If, contrary to your expectation, those candidates poll very well with the general public and the candidates you like do not, would you vote for the losers or for a winner?
Right now the only two bulwarks are:
a) Tory MPs, who can select a final two candidates who both refuse to contenance No Deal, and
b) Remainer Tory MPs, who in the face of No Deal could support an opposition VoNC (although here there are some doubts that a VoNC could be done in time to stop a determined No Deal Tory PM).
Thanks goodness the Tories are the natural party of government and can therefore be relied upon to lead the country safely through these dark times.
Strong and stable!
> > @Charles said:
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> > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
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> > > > @Nigel_Foremain said:
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> > > Charles works for a pharmaceutical company I believe.
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> > I asked him earlier about the actual data.
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> > Still awaiting a reply.
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> > I was in a meeting talking about developing vaccines for ASF. Sorry you weren’t my #1 priority
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> African Swine Fever? Will we still be subject to the Directive if we Leave. Or is that something else that the EU is insisting on against out interests. (Or some such rot!)
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> Yes. Around 50-70% of China’s pigs have died. That’s the equivalent to the US+EU herd.
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> And there’s no cure.
Didn't realise that it was that bad. It hasn't spread South and East yet, though.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > @Charles said:
> > > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wikipedia numbers:
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> > > >
> > > > Hunt 30
> > > >
> > > > Johnson 29
> > > >
> > > > Gove 27
> > > >
> > > > Raab 22
> > > >
> > > > Javid 16
> > > >
> > > > Hancock 12
> > > >
> > > > Malthouse 6
> > > >
> > > > McVey 6
> > > >
> > > > Leadsom 4
> > > >
> > > > Stewart 3
> > > >
> > > > Cleverly 2
> > > >
> > > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
> > > >
> > > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
> > > >
> > > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
> > >
> > > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
> > >
> > > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
> >
> > I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
>
> If, contrary to your expectation, those candidates poll very well with the general public and the candidates you like do not, would you vote for the losers or for a winner?
Could you provide a link to how they poll well with the public (ex Conhome) and which candidates have I said I do not like ?
Furthermore, television exposure could result in a car crash for some, indeed I expect for most of the candidates. I have no idea who will come through but I await with interest the outcome and my vote will be decided then, though I will not vote for Boris
> > @Cyclefree said:
> McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us.
> ----------------------------------------------
> We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing.
I am a Governor at a primary school where this has now become a hot topic as we have a similar demographic to some of the Birmingham schools. The view of many parents can be summed up by one's comment that "I brought my child to this country to get a good education, not so he can be taught it is fine to be gay".
Logical argument won't get you far when you are dealing with that mentality.
What I am annoyed at though is that the Government should have realised that this had the potential to cause trouble and it should have been ready to offer support and assistance where needed. Instead, schools and headteachers have been left out to dry and to cope with the backlash.
Foot
Kinnock
Brown
Hague
IDS
Howard
Corbyn
... all spring to mind (accepting that some were annointed rather chosen by a party college or party members).
> And another one
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> https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1134142068685778944
Jesse paint your pictures ‘bout how it’s gonna be. By now I should know better, your dreams are never free.
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @Cyclefree said:
> > McVey is supporting the rights of parents to be bigots. I utterly oppose that. That is the difference between us.
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > We cannot stop people being bigots. But we don't have to pander to them and pretend that not doing so is an unacceptable intrusion by the state, given all the other areas where we tell people they cannot do various things, including things with their children. This idea that in this arena it is a step too far to overrule parents' bigotry (or convictions, if someone wants to pretend bigotry is not a part of it), is quite unconvincing.
>
> I am a Governor at a primary school where this has now become a hot topic as we have a similar demographic to some of the Birmingham schools. The view of many parents can be summed up by one's comment that "I brought my child to this country to get a good education, not so he can be taught it is fine to be gay".
> Logical argument won't get you far when you are dealing with that mentality.
>
> What I am annoyed at though is that the Government should have realised that this had the potential to cause trouble and it should have been ready to offer support and assistance where needed. Instead, schools and headteachers have been left out to dry and to cope with the backlash.
>
It is not only HMG who are quiet , Corbyn and labour, apart from Jess, have been missing completely
And then a section on Farage and if he is racist or not, and if various parties will fade away in the next 10 years.
> https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1134129653424250880
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> https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1134129655420739585
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> That second chart tells us that Tory party members want a hard Brexit. It's not inconceivable that 100,000 or so people select a PM who will strive to bring economic chaos and, very likely, the end of the Union.
>
> Right now the only two bulwarks are:
> a) Tory MPs, who can select a final two candidates who both refuse to contenance No Deal, and
> b) Remainer Tory MPs, who in the face of No Deal could support an opposition VoNC (although here there are some doubts that a VoNC could be done in time to stop a determined No Deal Tory PM).
>
> Thanks goodness the Tories are the natural party of government and can therefore be relied upon to lead the country safely through these dark times.
>
> Strong and stable!
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Our constitution seems to be broken and in need of PR and/or more checks and balances.
Nearly all developed countries have both of them. A few countries like New Zealand only have one (PR). We have none!!!
> > @Stereotomy said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > @HYUFD said:
> > > > > @Charles said:
> > > > > A majority of Tory MPs have now endorsed one of the candidates, with Robin Walker's tweet in support of Sajid Javid. (Total endorsements are now 157 out of 313).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > twitter.com/WalkerWorcester/status/1134078259543662592
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikipedia numbers:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hunt 30
> > > > >
> > > > > Johnson 29
> > > > >
> > > > > Gove 27
> > > > >
> > > > > Raab 22
> > > > >
> > > > > Javid 16
> > > > >
> > > > > Hancock 12
> > > > >
> > > > > Malthouse 6
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> > > > > McVey 6
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> > > > > Leadsom 4
> > > > >
> > > > > Stewart 3
> > > > >
> > > > > Cleverly 2
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that Raab was the #2 choice for StandUpForBrexit folks who didn’t like Boris
> > > > >
> > > > > Q. Do they hold their noises and give second preference to Boris or not?
> > > > >
> > > > > On those numbers I could see Hunt vs Gove in the finals
> > > >
> > > > If it is Hunt v Gove expect the surge of Tory voters and members to the Brexit Party to continue.
> > > >
> > > > Given most of Raab's supporters will go to Boris though and visa versa I think one of those 2 will make the last 2 once the other is knocked out. In fact Hunt could find himself in the position of Portillo in 2001, topping the ballot initially but knocked out once it gets to the last 3 especially if most of Javid's supporters and some of Boris or Raab's transfer to Gove
> > >
> > > I posed the question this morning as to what happens when the televised debates indicate, both during the debates, and post opinion polls that Boris, Raab and McVey are very unpopular in the country at large and one of the candidates captures the populations imagination, do the members vote for the losers or for a winner for the party and country
> >
> > If, contrary to your expectation, those candidates poll very well with the general public and the candidates you like do not, would you vote for the losers or for a winner?
>
> Could you provide a link to how they poll well with the public (ex Conhome) and which candidates have I said I do not like ?
>
> Furthermore, television exposure could result in a car crash for some, indeed I expect for most of the candidates. I have no idea who will come through but I await with interest the outcome and my vote will be decided then, though I will not vote for Boris
It was a hypothetical. Hence the "if" at the beginning
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @OldKingCole said:
> > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!'
> > >
> > > Wonder if her husband did!
> >
> > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
>
> We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
George Asbo on R4 advanced his “contrarian” theory that the Brexiters will come to advocate a referendum, as the only way they can get their project done, and remainers will come to resist it fearing a Leave result leading to hard Brexit.
- “That second chart tells us that Tory party members want a hard Brexit. It's not inconceivable that 100,000 or so people select a PM who will strive to bring economic chaos and, very likely, the end of the Union.”
Rarely shocked by market research or social research, but that chart of how Tory members voted is quite simply stunning. The next PM is about to be elected by imposters.
And folk wonder why Scots have gone off the Union.
> > @OldKingCole said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > @OldKingCole said:
> > > > Just posted on my FB page: an alleged poster for the Evening Standard saying that 'Cherie Blair voted LibDem, too!'
> > > >
> > > > Wonder if her husband did!
> > >
> > > Bit by bit the trend is moving to a referendum and brexit is slipping away
> >
> > We can but hope. Although I'm nervous as to whether another Referendum would produce the desired (by me at any rate) result.
>
> George Asbo on R4 advanced his “contrarian” theory that the Brexiters will come to advocate a referendum, as the only way they can get their project done, and remainers will come to resist it fearing a Leave result leading to hard Brexit.
It is one of the more likely switches to move us on from gridlock. Listening to Labour MPs trying to explain the intricacies of which particular referenda they support will be interesting.
> Dominic Raab a pound shop Owen Smith?
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> https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1134005861427400704
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> Polling suggests the majority - in some cases 80 per cent plus of British women do not consider themselves ‘feminists’ while supporting gender equality - so share Raabs views. I expect the figure is even higher amongst Tory party members.
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> It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women.
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> I don’t consider myself a feminist. I associate the word with angry women who scream about toxic masculinity and privilege.
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> I do support, however, equal opportunities for women and equal respect. I don’t go in for pulling people up, at work, when they use the suffix -man on any word whatsoever as I don’t see that as the battle that needs to be fought. Indeed, I consider it petty and counterproductive.
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> Instead, I judge other men by their behaviour, and the integrity and respect they show toward women. Which is generally based on how much time they get to listen and know them and their aspirations, strengths and weaknesses rather than just recruiting in their own image.
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> I’d say I’m a fairist.
>
> I have been informed that the phrase you are looking for is "egalitarian"
I'm certainly not one of those.
Sounds awfully socialist.