It is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
#Esther4Leader
Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children, rather than that Ms McVey is taking sides in the woke culture wars, as Mr Eagles was getting at.
I believe the explicit sex education is actually a book that has two male penguins bringing up a baby penguin.
When Pingu met Chilly Willy?
I believe it’s more about relationships. I suppose some people would like to go back to Janet and John
> @kjh said: > Where does this 'Parents know best' come from? It takes very little skill to become a parent. Idiots manage it easily. > > I am reluctant for the the state to interfere in parenting, but children have rights as well and need protecting from idiot parents.
"It's my child and so I'll do what I want with it" leads to some pretty unpleasant places.
Believing that the wicked EU makes Britain run a huge trade deficit and strangles small businesses with red tape avoids you having to admit you just dislike foreigners. So lying is actually helping to fight prejudice.
Esther is a radical libertarian isn't she? So her belief that parents should be allowed to do whatever they want with their own offspring isn't surprising. Prof. Furedi had a similar take on circumcision. (He's piece focuses on the male kind, but the female kind is presumably equally permissible.)
> @Charles said: > > @Charles said: > > > Why ought they? > > > > > > You are effectively saying that the interests of the group (herd immunity) trumps the rights of the individual > > > > > > I am very uncomfortable with the state having that authority > > > > > > Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusion. Where do you stand on this one Charles? > > > > > > I think they are idiots. But I don’t see why the government should have the right to compel treatment > > > > > > Because the government would be failing in its duty to protect others from the harm caused by the spread of diseases as a result of non-vaccination, including to the children of these parents. > > > > > > Most of the arguments come down to use of MMR vs the mono vaccines. > > > > > > The government forced the use of MMR despite some concerns about the side effect profile. It was cheaper and, they believed, would have better compliance. > > > > And after many years of use, what does the data now say about your concerns ? > > That there is enough concern about MMR we are seeing a worrying in vaccination rates to a level that is threatening herd immunity > > That gives you two options: > > 1. Force (either directly or indirectly via withholding benefits) people to do what the state wants them to > > 2. Provide the option of vaccines that people actually want to use* > > (* these vaccines exist and are approved, although - I believe - that the master seed for the mumps vaccine needs renewal. It’s been a few years since I checked though)
Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for an option with significant additional costs purely due to ill-founded and unproven concerns about MMR?
> @Anorak said: > > @kjh said: > > Where does this 'Parents know best' come from? It takes very little skill to become a parent. Idiots manage it easily. > > > > I am reluctant for the the state to interfere in parenting, but children have rights as well and need protecting from idiot parents. > > "It's my child and so I'll do what I want with it" leads to some pretty unpleasant places.
A few unpleasant places at times. However my belief is that 'The state knows best and are forcing everyone to comply' is a lot worse. Unfortunately we can't all live our lives in a personal nirvana.
> @argyllrs said: > > @Anorak said: > > What's the difference between not vaccinating your child and not applying their seat belt in a car? Both prevent harm, and the application of each has a negligible risk of harm (tinfoil-hat related cases aside). > > > > Yet no one argues for the right to let their toddler stand up on the back seat while barrelling down a country road. Both cases would appear to be the assertion of a parent's right to know what is best for their child. > > Difference is that it's the law for everyone to wear a seatbelt. No one is suggesting that all people should be forced to have all vaccines. Other than some of the more extreme socialists
Because the toddler without a seatbelt on can't harm other toddlers. An unvaccinated child can spread diseases to other children who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.
> IIt is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
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> #Esther4Leader
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> Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
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> Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
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> For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
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> Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
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> My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children, rather than that Ms McVey is taking sides in the woke culture wars, as Mr Eagles was getting at.
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> I believe the explicit sex education is actually a book that has two male penguins bringing up a baby penguin.
I think this is a root cause of a lot of the negative reaction to LGBT education. It morphs in the mind of a reactionary subset into "teaching 5 year olds about anal sex and cottaging". Says a lot more about them then anything else IMO.
The brutal reality is that some religions and cultures teach hatred and contempt for gay people and that they are not equal and/or should not have equal rights in law.
Our society has rightly decided that this is wrong and that gay people should not be treated differently.
It is absolutely right therefore that all citizens in this country should be taught that this is the case. This is a battle that must be fought and won.
We failed to take on those who - see the Honeyford affair - who sought to treat their children as chattels to be bartered for marriage and then, years later, wondered why it was that a British girl could be murdered for being too Western.
We failed to take on those who sought to kill people for writing or drawing what they thought and then, years later, wondered why it was that young men thought it ok to murder cartoonists.
If we fail to take on those who think it ok to threaten gay teachers I fear that one day we will be wondering why it is that gay people are murdered by those taught to hate them.
They make it 2.5%, compared with my guesstimate of 2%.
(Of course, even if accurate that loss might not be permanent. Some of it will be investment deferred rather than lost forever. It's very likely that there would be a significant rebound if a deal were to be agree with the EU.)
> > Where does this 'Parents know best' come from? It takes very little skill to become a parent. Idiots manage it easily.
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> > I am reluctant for the the state to interfere in parenting, but children have rights as well and need protecting from idiot parents.
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> "It's my child and so I'll do what I want with it" leads to some pretty unpleasant places.
A few unpleasant places at times. However my belief is that 'The state knows best and are forcing everyone to comply' is a lot worse. Unfortunately we can't all live our lives in a personal nirvana.
It’s a difficult line to draw sometimes, but on balance it’s probably reasonable for a school to insist that children are vaccinated.
As the very knowledgable @Charles says, offering single vaccines on request is better than allowing herd immunity to break down, even if there’s a small cost to it.
> @Richard_Nabavi said: > Is @DavidL around? > > This is a neat broad-brush estimate of the loss of GDP caused so far (to end 2018) by the referendum result: > > https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-december-2018-towards-relative-decline > > They make it 2.5%, compared with my guesstimate of 2%. > > (Of course, even if accurate that loss might not be permanent. Some of it will be investment deferred rather than lost forever. It's very likely that there would be a significant rebound if a deal were to be agree with the EU.)
What I find slightly suspicious about that is the suggestion that the deficit would have been wiped out if we'd voted Remain. I find that hard to believe.
> @not_on_fire said: > > @argyllrs said: > > > @Anorak said: > > > What's the difference between not vaccinating your child and not applying their seat belt in a car? Both prevent harm, and the application of each has a negligible risk of harm (tinfoil-hat related cases aside). > > > > > > Yet no one argues for the right to let their toddler stand up on the back seat while barrelling down a country road. Both cases would appear to be the assertion of a parent's right to know what is best for their child. > > > > Difference is that it's the law for everyone to wear a seatbelt. No one is suggesting that all people should be forced to have all vaccines. Other than some of the more extreme socialists > > Because the toddler without a seatbelt on can't harm other toddlers. An unvaccinated child can spread diseases to other children who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.
All the more reasons for drug companies to not lose confidence of the public.
It is also not often appreciated that all vaccines carry some very slight danger.
A very small number of people died from the smallpox vaccine (e.g., about 60 deaths between 1959 to 1966 in the US). Against that, we must balance the astonishing achievement of the worldwide eradication of smallpox.
That is how vaccination works. It always causes a very tiny number of deaths, but there is an immense greater good and greater saving of life.
What I find slightly suspicious about that is the suggestion that the deficit would have been wiped out if we'd voted Remain. I find that hard to believe.
Probably not, but there would have been a bit more to play with in tax cuts and/or spending increases.
I mean wow, just wow. When all this is over in about a decade's time, many people are going to wake up and find themselves ashamed at their behaviour when ill with the virus.
The brutal reality is that some religions and cultures teach hatred and contempt for gay people and that they are not equal and/or should not have equal rights in law.
Our society has rightly decided that this is wrong and that gay people should not be treated differently.
It is absolutely right therefore that all citizens in this country should be taught that this is the case. This is a battle that must be fought and won.
We failed to take on those who - see the Honeyford affair - who sought to treat their children as chattels to be bartered for marriage and then, years later, wondered why it was that a British girl could be murdered for being too Western.
We failed to take on those who sought to kill people for writing or drawing what they thought and then, years later, wondered why it was that young men thought it ok to murder cartoonists.
If we fail to take on those who think it ok to threaten gay teachers I fear that one day we will be wondering why it is that gay people are murdered by those taught to hate them.
+1, but I think you got one word wrong there. You said “citizens’ when you should have said ‘residents’.
@Richard_Nabavi A deal would really spike Farage's guns and allow the political conversation to head back to non Brexit matters. Too many perceive it in their interests to prevent one from occurring though whether on the no deal or revoke side. The issue with either of those options (and I think this may well ebb and flow over the next decade or so) is that they won't ultimately solve the situtation. Revocation, leading to Farage I think, would be an abomination but preferable to no deal (Betrayal at least doesn't stop food coming on the table) Either way the situation is hideous now.
<I>Normally opposition parties in parliamentary by-election while governments struggle. In fact Corbyn was two years ago the first Labour leader since 1982 to suffer the loss of a seat while the party was in opposition</I>
Not quite true. Miliband was the last Labour leader to lose a seat while Labour was in opposition, to Respect / Galloway, in Bradford West. Corybn was, however, the first opposition leader (of any party) since 1982 to lose a seat <I> to the government</I>.
Kinnock also lost seats in opposition, both to the SNP in Glasgow Govan, and to the Liberal-SDP Alliance.
Corbyn is, however, net negative in his gains-losses tally, which puts him in the unhappy company of Michael Foot (-1: 1 gain, 2 losses), and William Hague (-1: 0 gains, 1 loss).
Kinnock was also net negative between the loss in Govan in 1988 and Labour's gain in the Vale of Glamorgan five months later. Similarly, Miliband was net negative between the Bradford West and Corby by-elections in 2012.
Labour's current barren run of six and a half years since Corby is their longest period without a by-election gain in opposition since before WWI, albeit there haven't been many opportunities.
Presumably the Brexit Party will have to follow through and sue on this now. It does sound like a clear cut case of slander to my inexpert mind. But it might be very revealing about the BP's financing.
> @williamglenn said: > "I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected" > > twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134066371510378501
Well that will keep the media talking for another week. I honestly can't work out if he is a total moron, or it is trolling / move the narrative from Mueller about collusion.
> > What's the difference between not vaccinating your child and not applying their seat belt in a car? Both prevent harm, and the application of each has a negligible risk of harm (tinfoil-hat related cases aside).
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> > Yet no one argues for the right to let their toddler stand up on the back seat while barrelling down a country road. Both cases would appear to be the assertion of a parent's right to know what is best for their child.
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> Difference is that it's the law for everyone to wear a seatbelt. No one is suggesting that all people should be forced to have all vaccines. Other than some of the more extreme socialists
Because the toddler without a seatbelt on can't harm other toddlers. An unvaccinated child can spread diseases to other children who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.
An unbelted toddler in a car involved in an accident is like an unguided missile and can cause a great deal of harm. An unvaccinated toddler can cause harm to other adults, particularly pregnant women.
Not vaccinating your child on the basis of ignorance is an act of utter selfishness.
There is a cost to single vaccines. But there is also a risk in that the course may not be completed and that there is a still a risk of harm if only some of the vaccinations are given. There is no good reason not to be vaccinated, other than ignorance.
> @ydoethur said: > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > SA going to win this at a canter. > > > > I thank you....Archer strikes. > > See, @ah009, THAT is how you do it!
In all honesty, I still think SA will win this easily.
The brutal reality is that some religions and cultures teach hatred and contempt for gay people and that they are not equal and/or should not have equal rights in law.
Our society has rightly decided that this is wrong and that gay people should not be treated differently.
It is absolutely right therefore that all citizens in this country should be taught that this is the case. This is a battle that must be fought and won.
We failed to take on those who - see the Honeyford affair - who sought to treat their children as chattels to be bartered for marriage and then, years later, wondered why it was that a British girl could be murdered for being too Western.
We failed to take on those who sought to kill people for writing or drawing what they thought and then, years later, wondered why it was that young men thought it ok to murder cartoonists.
If we fail to take on those who think it ok to threaten gay teachers I fear that one day we will be wondering why it is that gay people are murdered by those taught to hate them.
+1, but I think you got one word wrong there. You said “citizens’ when you should have said ‘residents’.
Presumably the Brexit Party will have to follow through and sue on this now. It does sound like a clear cut case of slander to my inexpert mind. But it might be very revealing about the BP's financing.
His defense will be that, in law, political parties are unable to be libelled. Also where was he when he made the comments ? I think he'll have a better chance at defense if the case has to be heard (As he made his comments there) in Scotland.
Probably not, but there would have been a bit more to play with in tax cuts and/or spending increases.
Raab has proposed a 5p cut in Income Tax as his USP and I believe Hammond has a "war chest" of £15 billion as a result of the deficit declining rapidly due to better than expected tax receipts.
I suppose a cynic might argue that £15 billion could go toward social care costs or toward paying off the debt and reducing the amount needing to be paid to service said debt in the future but I don't suppose that's what aspiring Conservative Prime Ministers want to hear.
Someone on twitter was pointing out that even though Muller didn't say anything g that was not in his report simply having visuals to play on the news of him saying it will completely change how the media reports it. Because the US media really is that shallow and terrible.
This Stop Brexit racket seems to pay well...Mr Stop Brexit also lives the life of luxury.
The Remainer entrepreneur who crowdfunded £370,000 to prosecute Boris Johnson spent nearly £50,000 of the donations on himself – including self-defence classes, a luxury flat and branded cupcakes.
Presumably the Brexit Party will have to follow through and sue on this now. It does sound like a clear cut case of slander to my inexpert mind. But it might be very revealing about the BP's financing.
His defense will be that, in law, political parties are unable to be libelled. Also where was he when he made the comments ? I think he'll have a better chance at defense if the case has to be heard (As he made his comments there) in Scotland.
But is TBP a political party? It’s a limited compan.
This Stop Brexit racket seems to pay well...Mr Stop Brexit also lives the life of luxury.
The Remainer entrepreneur who crowdfunded £370,000 to prosecute Boris Johnson spent nearly £50,000 of the donations on himself – including self-defence classes, a luxury flat and branded cupcakes.
That's an interesting point. Do the authorities have the power to vaccinate children without the consent of parents? They really ought to.
Why ought they?
You are effectively saying that the interests of the group (herd immunity) trumps the rights of the individual
I am very uncomfortable with the state having that authority
In some cases Group rights do trump the individual. Thats already the case so your discomfort rings hollow. Instead it's a question of when it is right for that to be the case, which people will disagree on to be sure, but the principle is entirely uncontroversial.
It is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
#Esther4Leader
Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children, rather than that Ms McVey is taking sides in the woke culture wars, as Mr Eagles was getting at.
I believe the explicit sex education is actually a book that has two male penguins bringing up a baby penguin.
Oh the horror.
Though if memory serves penguins can be quite the deviants.
Maybe but all deaths are important to friends and family.
What perhaps has been unpleasant is certain commentators who have almost revelled in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of elderly people since June 2016 because that demographic were more likely to have voted leave.
They may have been your grandad or your mother! That truly has been disgusting.
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
> @rottenborough said: > > @AlastairMeeks said: > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > A Brexiteer writes: > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1134044837148274688 > > > > > > Does he still want to depose the Queen? > > He's a loon. > > I mean wow, just wow. When all this is over in about a decade's time, many people are going to wake up and find themselves ashamed at their behaviour when ill with the virus.
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To be honest, I think if anyone deserves to go to court for misleading the public then it's him. While he's not a politician he's played a dangerous fast and hard game with the truth for years and politicians are taking his word as gospel. He's the reason that you have people like John Redwood banging on about Article 24 of GATT.
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
Must be a bit challenging to ensure the center of gravity isn’t changed too much?
That there is enough concern about MMR we are seeing a worrying in vaccination rates to a level that is threatening herd immunity
That gives you two options:
1. Force (either directly or indirectly via withholding benefits) people to do what the state wants them to
2. Provide the option of vaccines that people actually want to use*
(* these vaccines exist and are approved, although - I believe - that the master seed for the mumps vaccine needs renewal. It’s been a few years since I checked though)
That wasn't my question. I was asking what the data say about the relative safety of the three single vaccines versus MMR.
'there is enough concern' includes the spurious bollocks about autism.
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
Or is it that the stumps are dug in and weighted differently to wooden ones? There’s a thesis for a materials scientist here.
It is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
#Esther4Leader
Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children...
> @kle4 said: > IIt is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia. > > > > #Esther4Leader > > Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians. > > Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it? > > For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education. > > Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots? > > My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children, rather than that Ms McVey is taking sides in the woke culture wars, as Mr Eagles was getting at. > > I believe the explicit sex education is actually a book that has two male penguins bringing up a baby penguin. > > Oh the horror. > > Though if memory serves penguins can be quite the deviants.
People who believe in a supreme being can be a bit weird about books. In Poland they banned Winnie the Pooh due to "his" dubious sexuality and appearing half naked.
Maybe if their children are better educated we can move on from this nonsense in a few hundred years time.
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
Or is it that the stumps are dug in and weighted differently to wooden ones? There’s a thesis for a materials scientist here.
Apparently the issue is the (U)HD cameras in the stumps and the cables connected to them, which can have an impact.
> @TheScreamingEagles said: > That said if Mordaunt does win, that would mean the Prime Minister of this country follows me on Twitter. > > I wonder if she’s a PBer > > Thread reader, not a BTL reader.
Probably just as well. Only a matter of time until someone starts making PMILF jokes, once she enters the race.
Is the Brexit Party a government or government body?
Alyn Smith has been given a ladder to get out of his error, why hasn't he taken it?
He might have got the nod that the SNP will fund his defense. Well if he hasn't then he is a complete muppet. He'll have to hope the SNP give him more backup than the way Scottish Labour threw Dugdale under the bus.
Is the Brexit Party a government or government body?
Alyn Smith has been given a ladder to get out of his error, why hasn't he taken it?
He might have got the nod that the SNP will fund his defense. Well if he hasn't then he is a complete muppet. He'll have to hope the SNP give him more backup than the way Scottish Labour threw Dugdale under the bus.
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
Or is it that the stumps are dug in and weighted differently to wooden ones? There’s a thesis for a materials scientist here.
Apparently the issue is the (U)HD cameras in the stumps and the cables connected to them, which can have an impact.
So, change the tournament rules to be that if the lights flash, you’re out. Why have the flashing lights otherwise?
It is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
#Esther4Leader
Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
However, some of the books are complete dreck, about boys who want to grow up to be mermaids, or wear dresses. That's like something out of South Park.
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
Or is it that the stumps are dug in and weighted differently to wooden ones? There’s a thesis for a materials scientist here.
Apparently the issue is the (U)HD cameras in the stumps and the cables connected to them, which can have an impact.
Same set of stumps for both innings, though, so what's the problem ?
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
> @Charles said: > FPT: > > > > > @logical_song said: > > > > @williamglenn said: > > > > https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1134008889660325888 > > > > > > > > Like when they refuse to vaccinate them? > > > > That's an interesting point. Do the authorities have the power to vaccinate children without the consent of parents? They really ought to. > > Why ought they? > > You are effectively saying that the interests of the group (herd immunity) trumps the rights of the individual > > I am very uncomfortable with the state having that authority
Should children not have the freedom to be healthy and safe, regardless of what their parents believe? We accept the state would take away children who are malnourished, or beaten, why should children be put in the situation of unnecessarily contracting life threatening diseases, and putting other people at risk, or (in the case of JWs) potential death? The state in this regard isn't authoritarian, in fact it is protecting the freedom of the child against the tyranny of the parent. Parents do not own their children, they are not their property to do with whatever they wish.
Polling suggests the majority - in some cases 80 per cent plus of British women do not consider themselves ‘feminists’ while supporting gender equality - so share Raabs views. I expect the figure is even higher amongst Tory party members.
It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women.
Polling suggests the majority - in some cases 80 per cent plus of British women do not consider themselves ‘feminists’ while supporting gender equality - so share Raabs views. I expect the figure is even higher amongst Tory party members.
It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women.
Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
Defending fundamentalist Islam, while trying to appeal to the local Conservative Association membership of retired colonels, blue-rinses and self-declared Captains of Industry (aka owner/MD of Trevor's Soft Furnishings of Kingswinford until it unfortunately collapsed into administration in 2011)... you do have to admit that's an imaginative and brave strategy.
Polling suggests the majority - in some cases 80 per cent plus of British women do not consider themselves ‘feminists’ while supporting gender equality - so share Raabs views. I expect the figure is even higher amongst Tory party members.
It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women.
I don’t consider myself a feminist. I associate the word with angry women who scream about toxic masculinity and privilege.
I do support, however, equal opportunities for women and equal respect. I don’t go in for pulling people up, at work, when they use the suffix -man on any word whatsoever as I don’t see that as the battle that needs to be fought. Indeed, I consider it petty and counterproductive.
Instead, I judge other men by their behaviour, and the integrity and respect they show toward women. Which is generally based on how much time they get to listen and know them and their aspirations, strengths and weaknesses rather than just recruiting in their own image.
Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
Defending fundamentalist Islam, while trying to appeal to the local Conservative Association membership of retired colonels, blue-rinses and self-declared Captains of Industry (aka owner/MD of Trevor's Soft Furnishings of Kingswinford until it unfortunately collapsed into administration in 2011)... you do have to admit that's an imaginative and brave strategy.
Well some Tory members were labelled the 'Turnip Taliban' when they got their knickers into a twist about Liz Truss being a fornicator.
> IIt is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
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> Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
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> Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
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> For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
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> Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
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> My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children, rather than that Ms McVey is taking sides in the woke culture wars, as Mr Eagles was getting at.
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> I believe the explicit sex education is actually a book that has two male penguins bringing up a baby penguin.
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> Oh the horror.
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> Though if memory serves penguins can be quite the deviants.
People who believe in a supreme being can be a bit weird about books. In Poland they banned Winnie the Pooh due to "his" dubious sexuality and appearing half naked.
Maybe if their children are better educated we can move on from this nonsense in a few hundred years time.
Slightly fake news re Poland. It wasn’t banned in the whole country - in 2014 one primary school in one Polish village decided it wasn’t suitable to be the mascot for a new play area. Hardly the same thing!
Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones.
I bet those flashing ones are too heavy.
They weigh the same, they are made out of a composite plastic, which are lighter, but when they add the led batteries, and a bit of filling they weigh exactly the same as the wooden ones.
So why don’t they f****** fall off when the stump gets hit?
It's a public decency matter.
We can't get de kock out in public.
No matter what flashing goes on.
I think playing with Willey would have helped us to get de Kock out
> @El_Capitano said: > Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians. > > Defending fundamentalist Islam, while trying to appeal to the local Conservative Association membership of retired colonels, blue-rinses and self-declared Captains of Industry (aka owner/MD of Trevor's Soft Furnishings of Kingswinford until it unfortunately collapsed into administration in 2011)... you do have to admit that's an imaginative and brave strategy.
Religious fundamentalists are simply conservatives in panto. There is no contradiction, it's merely a matter of scale and methods.
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I am reluctant for the the state to interfere in parenting, but children have rights as well and need protecting from idiot parents.
> https://twitter.com/VinnyMcAv/status/1134094335090331648
Well said Justine
> Where does this 'Parents know best' come from? It takes very little skill to become a parent. Idiots manage it easily.
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> I am reluctant for the the state to interfere in parenting, but children have rights as well and need protecting from idiot parents.
"It's my child and so I'll do what I want with it" leads to some pretty unpleasant places.
Believing that the wicked EU makes Britain run a huge trade deficit and strangles small businesses with red tape avoids you having to admit you just dislike foreigners. So lying is actually helping to fight prejudice.
> > @Scott_P said:
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> Well said Justine
What would be really good is if she could say something to the effect of "whatever your religious beliefs may be, we will not tolerate intolerance."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2018/02/28/stop-this-moral-crusade-against-circumcision/
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> > Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusion. Where do you stand on this one Charles?
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> That there is enough concern about MMR we are seeing a worrying in vaccination rates to a level that is threatening herd immunity
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> (* these vaccines exist and are approved, although - I believe - that the master seed for the mumps vaccine needs renewal. It’s been a few years since I checked though)
Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for an option with significant additional costs purely due to ill-founded and unproven concerns about MMR?
> > @kjh said:
> > Where does this 'Parents know best' come from? It takes very little skill to become a parent. Idiots manage it easily.
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> > I am reluctant for the the state to interfere in parenting, but children have rights as well and need protecting from idiot parents.
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> "It's my child and so I'll do what I want with it" leads to some pretty unpleasant places.
A few unpleasant places at times. However my belief is that 'The state knows best and are forcing everyone to comply' is a lot worse. Unfortunately we can't all live our lives in a personal nirvana.
> > @Anorak said:
> > What's the difference between not vaccinating your child and not applying their seat belt in a car? Both prevent harm, and the application of each has a negligible risk of harm (tinfoil-hat related cases aside).
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> > Yet no one argues for the right to let their toddler stand up on the back seat while barrelling down a country road. Both cases would appear to be the assertion of a parent's right to know what is best for their child.
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> Difference is that it's the law for everyone to wear a seatbelt. No one is suggesting that all people should be forced to have all vaccines. Other than some of the more extreme socialists
Because the toddler without a seatbelt on can't harm other toddlers. An unvaccinated child can spread diseases to other children who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.
(Obviously, hope Amla isn’t hurt, and good to see cricket catch up with other sports in the way they deal with head injuries).
Our society has rightly decided that this is wrong and that gay people should not be treated differently.
It is absolutely right therefore that all citizens in this country should be taught that this is the case. This is a battle that must be fought and won.
We failed to take on those who - see the Honeyford affair - who sought to treat their children as chattels to be bartered for marriage and then, years later, wondered why it was that a British girl could be murdered for being too Western.
We failed to take on those who sought to kill people for writing or drawing what they thought and then, years later, wondered why it was that young men thought it ok to murder cartoonists.
If we fail to take on those who think it ok to threaten gay teachers I fear that one day we will be wondering why it is that gay people are murdered by those taught to hate them.
This is a neat broad-brush estimate of the loss of GDP caused so far (to end 2018) by the referendum result:
https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-december-2018-towards-relative-decline
They make it 2.5%, compared with my guesstimate of 2%.
(Of course, even if accurate that loss might not be permanent. Some of it will be investment deferred rather than lost forever. It's very likely that there would be a significant rebound if a deal were to be agree with the EU.)
As the very knowledgable @Charles says, offering single vaccines on request is better than allowing herd immunity to break down, even if there’s a small cost to it.
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> > https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1134044837148274688
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> Does he still want to depose the Queen?
He's a loon.
> Is @DavidL around?
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> This is a neat broad-brush estimate of the loss of GDP caused so far (to end 2018) by the referendum result:
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> https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-december-2018-towards-relative-decline
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> They make it 2.5%, compared with my guesstimate of 2%.
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> (Of course, even if accurate that loss might not be permanent. Some of it will be investment deferred rather than lost forever. It's very likely that there would be a significant rebound if a deal were to be agree with the EU.)
What I find slightly suspicious about that is the suggestion that the deficit would have been wiped out if we'd voted Remain. I find that hard to believe.
> > @argyllrs said:
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> > > What's the difference between not vaccinating your child and not applying their seat belt in a car? Both prevent harm, and the application of each has a negligible risk of harm (tinfoil-hat related cases aside).
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> > > Yet no one argues for the right to let their toddler stand up on the back seat while barrelling down a country road. Both cases would appear to be the assertion of a parent's right to know what is best for their child.
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> > Difference is that it's the law for everyone to wear a seatbelt. No one is suggesting that all people should be forced to have all vaccines. Other than some of the more extreme socialists
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> Because the toddler without a seatbelt on can't harm other toddlers. An unvaccinated child can spread diseases to other children who can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.
All the more reasons for drug companies to not lose confidence of the public.
A very small number of people died from the smallpox vaccine (e.g., about 60 deaths between 1959 to 1966 in the US). Against that, we must balance the astonishing achievement of the worldwide eradication of smallpox.
That is how vaccination works. It always causes a very tiny number of deaths, but there is an immense greater good and greater saving of life.
Vaccination should be compulsory.
Too many perceive it in their interests to prevent one from occurring though whether on the no deal or revoke side.
The issue with either of those options (and I think this may well ebb and flow over the next decade or so) is that they won't ultimately solve the situtation.
Revocation, leading to Farage I think, would be an abomination but preferable to no deal (Betrayal at least doesn't stop food coming on the table)
Either way the situation is hideous now.
Not quite true. Miliband was the last Labour leader to lose a seat while Labour was in opposition, to Respect / Galloway, in Bradford West. Corybn was, however, the first opposition leader (of any party) since 1982 to lose a seat <I> to the government</I>.
Kinnock also lost seats in opposition, both to the SNP in Glasgow Govan, and to the Liberal-SDP Alliance.
Corbyn is, however, net negative in his gains-losses tally, which puts him in the unhappy company of Michael Foot (-1: 1 gain, 2 losses), and William Hague (-1: 0 gains, 1 loss).
Kinnock was also net negative between the loss in Govan in 1988 and Labour's gain in the Vale of Glamorgan five months later. Similarly, Miliband was net negative between the Bradford West and Corby by-elections in 2012.
Labour's current barren run of six and a half years since Corby is their longest period without a by-election gain in opposition since before WWI, albeit there haven't been many opportunities.
> SA going to win this at a canter.
I thank you....Archer strikes.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134066371510378501
Presumably the Brexit Party will have to follow through and sue on this now. It does sound like a clear cut case of slander to my inexpert mind. But it might be very revealing about the BP's financing.
> "I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected"
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> twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134066371510378501
Well that will keep the media talking for another week. I honestly can't work out if he is a total moron, or it is trolling / move the narrative from Mueller about collusion.
Not vaccinating your child on the basis of ignorance is an act of utter selfishness.
There is a cost to single vaccines. But there is also a risk in that the course may not be completed and that there is a still a risk of harm if only some of the vaccinations are given. There is no good reason not to be vaccinated, other than ignorance.
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> I thank you....Archer strikes.
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> See, @ah009, THAT is how you do it!
In all honesty, I still think SA will win this easily.
I suppose a cynic might argue that £15 billion could go toward social care costs or toward paying off the debt and reducing the amount needing to be paid to service said debt in the future but I don't suppose that's what aspiring Conservative Prime Ministers want to hear.
https://twitter.com/TxtDrive/status/1134100071182753797
The Remainer entrepreneur who crowdfunded £370,000 to prosecute Boris Johnson spent nearly £50,000 of the donations on himself – including self-defence classes, a luxury flat and branded cupcakes.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7085721/Remainer-prosecuting-Boris-Johnson-spent-50-000-donations.html
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/05/penny-mordaunt-its-time-for-servant-leadership-that-will-listen-to-the-people.html
https://twitter.com/JofraArcher/status/308928048772812800
> Keep them coming bud, keep them coming!!!
Always said that Archer was overrated and shouldn't have picked him...Should have gone with David Willey instead.
I really hope Mordaunt doesn't win, Tissue Price tipped her at silly odds and I hate it when someone drones on about a really long odds on tip.
What, my coat?
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1134005861427400704
Though if memory serves penguins can be quite the deviants.
> Bloody dodgy unnecessary flashing bails....what's wrong with the standard ones. I demand a judge led inquiry.
Yes, and Boris tells lies too!
What perhaps has been unpleasant is certain commentators who have almost revelled in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of elderly people since June 2016 because that demographic were more likely to have voted leave.
They may have been your grandad or your mother! That truly has been disgusting.
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> I mean wow, just wow. When all this is over in about a decade's time, many people are going to wake up and find themselves ashamed at their behaviour when ill with the virus.
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To be honest, I think if anyone deserves to go to court for misleading the public then it's him. While he's not a politician he's played a dangerous fast and hard game with the truth for years and politicians are taking his word as gospel. He's the reason that you have people like John Redwood banging on about Article 24 of GATT.
I was asking what the data say about the relative safety of the three single vaccines versus MMR.
'there is enough concern' includes the spurious bollocks about autism.
> Jos Buttler is going to cost England this match, if not the world cup.
He needs sending to ConHome.
Or is it that the stumps are dug in and weighted differently to wooden ones?
There’s a thesis for a materials scientist here.
Alyn Smith has been given a ladder to get out of his error, why hasn't he taken it?
> IIt is reassuring to know that our next PM believes that homophobic parents have the right to indoctrinate their children with homophobia.
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> #Esther4Leader
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> Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
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> Presumably her view is that social and moral values should be taught by parents rather than schools - as opposed to thinking that we should make exceptions to such compulsory education because a particular group of parents object to it?
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> For the nth time, nothing and no-one is stopping them doing that. The children are being taught matters which are not available in the home which is the essence of education.
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> Is there any politician, other than Jess Phillips, with the courage to stand up to bullies and bigots?
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> My point was that Ms McVey comes at this from a libertarian standpoint - that we don’t need to be giving explicit sex-ed to primary school children, rather than that Ms McVey is taking sides in the woke culture wars, as Mr Eagles was getting at.
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> I believe the explicit sex education is actually a book that has two male penguins bringing up a baby penguin.
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> Oh the horror.
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> Though if memory serves penguins can be quite the deviants.
People who believe in a supreme being can be a bit weird about books. In Poland they banned Winnie the Pooh due to "his" dubious sexuality and appearing half naked.
Maybe if their children are better educated we can move on from this nonsense in a few hundred years time.
> That said if Mordaunt does win, that would mean the Prime Minister of this country follows me on Twitter.
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> I wonder if she’s a PBer
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> Thread reader, not a BTL reader.
Probably just as well. Only a matter of time until someone starts making PMILF jokes, once she enters the race.
> Here's what I expect the SNP will use in defense : https://twitter.com/JonHolb/status/1133993241806868486
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> Alyn Smith has been given a ladder to get out of his error, why hasn't he taken it?
The case was extended to political parties and people like that, later on (along with people like the NHS).
Individuals who might be liabled as employees or agents of the above can still sue.
We can't get de kock out in public.
No matter what flashing goes on.
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> You are effectively saying that the interests of the group (herd immunity) trumps the rights of the individual
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> I am very uncomfortable with the state having that authority
Should children not have the freedom to be healthy and safe, regardless of what their parents believe? We accept the state would take away children who are malnourished, or beaten, why should children be put in the situation of unnecessarily contracting life threatening diseases, and putting other people at risk, or (in the case of JWs) potential death? The state in this regard isn't authoritarian, in fact it is protecting the freedom of the child against the tyranny of the parent. Parents do not own their children, they are not their property to do with whatever they wish.
It may horrify the Twitter bubble but might not be that unpopular with most women.
I do support, however, equal opportunities for women and equal respect. I don’t go in for pulling people up, at work, when they use the suffix -man on any word whatsoever as I don’t see that as the battle that needs to be fought. Indeed, I consider it petty and counterproductive.
Instead, I judge other men by their behaviour, and the integrity and respect they show toward women. Which is generally based on how much time they get to listen and know them and their aspirations, strengths and weaknesses rather than just recruiting in their own image.
I’d say I’m a fairist.
> Am waiting for the usual suspects to accuse of her pandering to the Muslim bloc vote the way they do when it comes to Labour politicians.
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> Defending fundamentalist Islam, while trying to appeal to the local Conservative Association membership of retired colonels, blue-rinses and self-declared Captains of Industry (aka owner/MD of Trevor's Soft Furnishings of Kingswinford until it unfortunately collapsed into administration in 2011)... you do have to admit that's an imaginative and brave strategy.
Religious fundamentalists are simply conservatives in panto. There is no contradiction, it's merely a matter of scale and methods.