> @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > @TGOHF said: > > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted. > > The culmination of two years of financial peril. > >
> @Casino_Royale said: > > @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > > @TGOHF said: > > > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted. > > > > The culmination of two years of financial peril. > > > > > > And it was shit.
I think Barbecoa was better, but I could never get on with Jamie's,
I have an apocryphal tale about alphabetical order. Many years ago I stood in a three member ward, along with two colleagues. One of our opposition candidates was a very well known local GP. When the results came out he was first and my colleagues whose names started with A and C were second and third and I was well behind in fourth so not elected (my surname starts with an M). I was tempted to change my name to Aardvark just to get to the top of the ballot paper.
> @Nigelb said:. > > Agreed. > Without wishing to be humourless, common assault is a crime irrespective of whether some think it funny, or it doesn't seem violent enough for them.
You would have to be a pretty fecking stupid politician to approve of splattering a political opponent with milkshake
Because, .... surprise, surprise, .... guess what happens next?
We seem to have some pretty fecking stupid politicians.
The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble.
They had Jackie Stewart on R4 sharing his memories of Niki Lauda. The vision of Lauda after his first race back from his accident with blood streaming down his neck and overalls because his helmet had torn at the skin grafts was particularly striking.
> @Casino_Royale said: > > @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > > @TGOHF said: > > > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted. > > > > The culmination of two years of financial peril. > > > > > > And it was shit.
We went once. Overpriced and awful service. Many better alternatives. Sorry for the people who will lose their jobs and hope they get new ones soon
> @tlg86 said: > An Independence from Europe got 1.4% of vote from the top of the ballot in 2014. > > I thought TBP wanted to be close to Ukip as they thought it might get them a few votes from people who went in to the polling booth looking for UKIP.
> @Cyclefree said: > > @TGOHF said: > > > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted. > > > > The culmination of two years of financial peril. > > He provided a third rate product at high prices. And knew about as much about good Italian cooking as my Irish granny.
This.
I’d support any party that regulated the frequency with which we see his pukka face on our TV screens and cookery books as well.
> @Freggles said: > The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble.
If they've broken the law then there should be consequences. However the EC must be even handed and do the same for all registered parties and campaigns, applying the same standards and zeal to all with the same level of publicity. The EC cannot get pulled into impartiality / betrayal narratives.
> @Freggles said: > The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble.
I wonder how they will view the People's Vote instructions asking donors to pay £499 specifically to avoid having to declare the donation sources. Hopefully they will be investigating that little scam as well.
> > It’s bad when it happens to anyone. Can’t believe there are people on here who don’t universally condemn it
> >
> >
> > It's assault when Nigel was milkshaked, and it was assault when Corbyn was attacked with an egg too. Unacceptable all round.
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> Agreed.
> Without wishing to be humourless, common assault is a crime irrespective of whether some think it funny, or it doesn't seem violent enough for them.
Is it bad to think it is common assault, happy for anyone to do it to be prosecuted, think it should be condemned, but still find it (slightly) funny?
I'll admit it would take a pretty stern constitution to resist cracking a smile at the juxtaposed pictures of Farage before and after - but if the first reaction to an assault on a politician is to post about how funny it was, then there's a serious problem.
> @Theuniondivvie said: > Sobering. > > https://twitter.com/Barry_Digital/status/1130785612540387328 > > They had Jackie Stewart on R4 sharing his memories of Niki Lauda. The vision of Lauda after his first race back from his accident with blood streaming down his neck and overalls because his helmet had torn at the skin grafts was particularly striking.
Well I suppose that means with Brexit we are learning an enormous amount.
Courageously and indefatigably staying on the bus.
A bit disconcerting when Galloway expresses an opinion in line with several million political moderates, but of course even a stopped clock is briefly correct twice a day.
No dealers are now moderates, it seems. What would count as extreme? Nuking the Berlaymont?
Boy, that Overton window is just *flying* rightwards at the moment.
> @Richard_Tyndall said: > > @Freggles said: > > The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble. > > I wonder how they will view the People's Vote instructions asking donors to pay £499 specifically to avoid having to declare the donation sources. Hopefully they will be investigating that little scam as well.
Agreed. Then we'll go after the bastards who drive at 69mph on the mnotorway, or take a 22kg suitcase when they have a 23kg luggage allowance. The sight of them getting away with it makes my blood boil.
Yes, that's a very interesting article indeed - a must-read.
It is. Very interesting. Italy was the testbed for a new type of politics at the start of the 20th century and seems to be doing the same in the 21st.
I loved this phrase "What users/members/customers are given is basically a window-dressing of participation.”
It is old wine in new digital bottles though. A mass movement built around a charismatic individual claiming to speak for the dispossessed and railing against conspiracies, elites and enemies.
> @madmacs said: > I have an apocryphal tale about alphabetical order. Many years ago I stood in a three member ward, along with two colleagues. One of our opposition candidates was a very well known local GP. When the results came out he was first and my colleagues whose names started with A and C were second and third and I was well behind in fourth so not elected (my surname starts with an M). I was tempted to change my name to Aardvark just to get to the top of the ballot paper.
Start the political dynasty of the Aabuthnots......
EDIT: Or perhaps with built-in political excuses, the Aabutnots....
"Yes, I said we should follow a policy of privatising the NHS. Ah, but not like that....."
> @houndtang said: > > @Brom said: > > > @logical_song said: > > > > @Brom said: > > > > > @Scott_P said: > > > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648 > > > > > > > > old news and rather desperate stuff > > > > > > Nobody should breach the law. > > > > Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal. > > the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality.
always the way, some people don't want to take The Brexit Party on with their ideas so they try anything that can work as a smear - see Cadwalladr or Dan Snow. Not surprising people are sceptical given the lack of evidence presented.
Wasn't your grandmothers book - "Mrs Sofia O'Flattery's Italian Colcannon Recipes" a bestseller in County Mayo
County Limerick please. Horse breeding and training country.
My mama told a wonderful story of meeting her mother-in-law for the first time on the family farm. My parents were married and my father was introducing his new much younger and sultry looking bride to his enormous Irish family.
They decided to make her feel at home by presenting her with what they thought was Italian cuisine: spaghetti hoops on toast and some salad with salad cream. My mother was left speechless. Fortunately for family harmony they put it down to her limited English.
> @Cyclefree said: > Interesting Long Read in The Guardian today about how TBP have copied the Italian Five Star Movement model of direct internet democracy. > > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/21/brexit-party-nigel-farage-italy-digital-populists-five-star-movement > > Yes, that's a very interesting article indeed - a must-read. > > It is. Very interesting. Italy was the testbed for a new type of politics at the start of the 20th century and seems to be doing the same in the 21st. > > I loved this phrase "What users/members/customers are given is basically a window-dressing of participation.” > > It is old wine in new digital bottles though. A mass movement built around a charismatic individual claiming to speak for the dispossessed and railing against conspiracies, elites and enemies. > > Where have we seen this before?
> @Cyclefree said: > @Cyclefree said: > > > > "He (Jamie Oliver) provided a third rate product at high prices. And knew about as much about good Italian cooking as my Irish granny." > > > > ................................................................................................................ > > > > Wasn't your grandmothers book - "Mrs Sofia O'Flattery's Italian Colcannon Recipes" a bestseller in County Mayo > > County Limerick please. Horse breeding and training country. > > My mama told a wonderful story of meeting her mother-in-law for the first time on the family farm. My parents were married and my father was introducing his new much younger and sultry looking bride to his enormous Irish family. > > They decided to make her feel at home by presenting her with what they thought was Italian cuisine: spaghetti hoops on toast and some salad with salad cream. My mother was left speechless. Fortunately for family harmony they put it down to her limited English.
My wife went to a TOP London restaurant (will spare the blushes of the very well known chef). She ordered a pasta dish. Tasted it. Sent it back.
Shortly afterwards, the chef himself came out and sat on the edge of her table (dontcha just hate that?), asking "So what is wrong with my food".
The wife politely informed him that (presumably) his sous chef had reduced the sauce down W-A-Y too much. "It tastes like spaghetti hoops."
He went back to the kitchen. Tasted the sauce. Returned to her table.
> @Brom said: > > @houndtang said: > > > @Brom said: > > > > @logical_song said: > > > > > @Brom said: > > > > > > @Scott_P said: > > > > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648 > > > > > > > > > > old news and rather desperate stuff > > > > > > > > Nobody should breach the law. > > > > > > Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal. > > > > the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality. > > always the way, some people don't want to take The Brexit Party on with their ideas so they try anything that can work as a smear - see Cadwalladr or Dan Snow. Not surprising people are sceptical given the lack of evidence presented.
Sounds like you endorse dodgy funding and criminality as long as it is done in a cause that you support. Par for the course for supporters of the far right, although you are probably one of those that try to convince yourself that Farage is not of the far right. The Brexit Party: a coalition of nationalists, far right extremists and the extremely gullible.
> Wasn't your grandmothers book - "Mrs Sofia O'Flattery's Italian Colcannon Recipes" a bestseller in County Mayo
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> County Limerick please. Horse breeding and training country.
>
> My mama told a wonderful story of meeting her mother-in-law for the first time on the family farm. My parents were married and my father was introducing his new much younger and sultry looking bride to his enormous Irish family.
>
> They decided to make her feel at home by presenting her with what they thought was Italian cuisine: spaghetti hoops on toast and some salad with salad cream. My mother was left speechless. Fortunately for family harmony they put it down to her limited English.
My wife went to a TOP London restaurant (will spare the blushes of the very well known chef). She ordered a pasta dish. Tasted it. Sent it back.
Shortly afterwards, the chef himself came out and sat on the edge of her table (dontcha just hate that?), asking "So what is wrong with my food".
The wife politely informed him that (presumably) his sous chef had reduced the sauce down W-A-Y too much. "It tastes like spaghetti hoops."
He went back to the kitchen. Tasted the sauce. Returned to her table.
"You're right. It tastes like spaghetti hoops."
One dish you rarely get in Italian restaurants is a really good zabaglione, which when made well is food for the Gods.
My mother made a superb version once even making it for me when I was in hospital with TB and literally wasting away in front of her eyes. I will never forget the look on the nurse's face when she came into my room and saw my mother whisking the Marsala wine and egg and sugar. She was about to say something, caught my mother's eye and beat a hasty retreat.
> @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > @GIN1138 said: > > On topic - Arguably the one mistake The Brexit Party have made is not calling themselves "Brexit Party" > > Apparently they wanted to be next to UKIP, so as to avid confusion there?
Sounds daft. Number one priority is to top the ballot paper I'd have thought.
Meanwhile, this is scandalous. Where is the Minister responsible and what are they doing about it? An outsourced company is no excuse. Who oversaw the outsourcing? The government has a moral duty to step in, kick some arses and compensate the workers.
Is this the same Electoral Commision that is stuffed with Lab, Con, ex BBC and Lib Party sycophants, some who are openly pro EU ? Yes, of course we live in a true democracy.
Yes, that's a very interesting article indeed - a must-read.
It is. Very interesting. Italy was the testbed for a new type of politics at the start of the 20th century and seems to be doing the same in the 21st.
I loved this phrase "What users/members/customers are given is basically a window-dressing of participation.”
It is old wine in new digital bottles though. A mass movement built around a charismatic individual claiming to speak for the dispossessed and railing against conspiracies, elites and enemies.
Where have we seen this before?
I have a theory that whenever you get a big dislocation caused by a major change in media, it creates an opportunity for populists because the population won't have developed a defence of scepticism about the messages received via the new media. Examples would include the French Revolution (widely-available printed pamphlets), Mussolini and Hitler using radio to speak direct to voters, Berlusconi taking control of the TV medium, and the internet enabling the populists of today, such as Farage, Corbyn, Trump, and the Five Star movement, peddling their simplistic tosh. Once people get used to the new medium, the direct effect is less and messages received via it are put more into context.
> @Casino_Royale said: > > @tlg86 said: > > An Independence from Europe got 1.4% of vote from the top of the ballot in 2014. > > > > I thought TBP wanted to be close to Ukip as they thought it might get them a few votes from people who went in to the polling booth looking for UKIP. > > Most voters aren’t that stupid. > > I think we exaggerate such effects. >
I tend to agree with Mike and it occurred to me when I saw the ballot - we saw the same effect in multi-ward local elections. Similarly I wonder if some of the Brexit votes will accidentally drift off to UKIP. I'm sure Casino is right that 95% of voters aren't influenced, but 5% would be important here.
If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass.
Betting... Betfair have Marc Marquez 1/5 to win MotoGP. I think this is value because a) you're basically betting that he won't crash and fuck himself in way that keeps him out for 3 or more races and b) you'll probably get your money by the Japan or Australia round in October.
Yes, that's a very interesting article indeed - a must-read.
It is. Very interesting. Italy was the testbed for a new type of politics at the start of the 20th century and seems to be doing the same in the 21st.
I loved this phrase "What users/members/customers are given is basically a window-dressing of participation.”
It is old wine in new digital bottles though. A mass movement built around a charismatic individual claiming to speak for the dispossessed and railing against conspiracies, elites and enemies.
Where have we seen this before?
I have a theory that whenever you get a big dislocation caused by a major change in media, it creates an opportunity for populists because the population won't have developed a defence of scepticism about the messages received via the new media. Examples would include the French Revolution (widely-available printed pamphlets), Mussolini and Hitler using radio to speak direct to voters, Berlusconi taking control of the TV medium, and the internet enabling the populists of today, such as Farage, Corbyn, Trump, and the Five Star movement, peddling their simplistic tosh. Once people get used to the new medium, the direct effect is less and messages received via it are put more into context.
An interesting theory. One other aspect may be that the internet allows people to have the illusion that they are more knowledgeable than they really are and therefore better able to dismiss expertise eg in relation to vaccines.
As so much information is available at the click of a mouse it is easy to devalue or dismiss experience, judgment, the ability to assess information, to ask questions, to think rather than just receive.
> @Richard_Nabavi said: > I have a theory that whenever you get a big dislocation caused by a major change in media, it creates an opportunity for populists because the population won't have developed a defence of scepticism about the messages received via the new media. Examples would include the French Revolution (widely-available printed pamphlets), Mussolini and Hitler using radio to speak direct to voters, Berlusconi taking control of the TV medium, and the internet enabling the populists of today, such as Farage, Corbyn, Trump, and the Five Star movement, peddling their simplistic tosh. Once people get used to the new medium, the direct effect is less and messages received via it are put more into context.
Mussolini had been pm for a couple of years before radio started in Italy, but he certainly encouraged it and made it a tool of the Fascist state. Of course the periods that Musso and Hitler were bothered about speaking directly to voters rather than il Popolo & das Volk were relatively short.
> @CD13 said: > Did Vince miss a trick here? He should have changed the LDs name to the Anti-Democratic Party. Both honest and at the top of the list.
In what way. > @Marco1 said: > Is this the same Electoral Commision that is stuffed with Lab, Con, ex BBC and Lib Party sycophants, some who are openly pro EU ? Yes, of course we live in a true democracy.
What a stupid ignorant comment. Name names or f- off.
> @justin124 said: > If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass.
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I do think Boris is much more likely to go for an election than May.
May's confidence is a quivering, gelatinous mush on the floor.
Boris is more of a braggart. He'll believe he can take on and beat Corbyn. And maybe he can ..... who knows?
An election is needed to resolve the mess. The parties must have clear proposals, and MPs unwilling to sign up to their party's manifesto commitment need to find a new party.
Mussolini had been pm for a couple of years before radio started in Italy, but he certainly encouraged it and made it a tool of the Fascist state. Of course the periods that Musso and Hitler were bothered about speaking directly to voters rather than il Popolo & das Volk were relatively short.
True, I should have written 'to speak direct to the population'.
On topic I reckon the plan was to call it the A1 Brexit Party, that's why they did that march down to London from the north-east. Unfortunately only like 4 blokes and a dog turned up for that, so they had someone hurriedly photoshop a "the" over it to avoid embarrassment.
* @isam: Throwing milkshakes on candidates us bad and the people doing it should be arrested and appropriately punished. * whoever it was who said PB Remainers should apologise for not predicting no recession: to the best of my recollection most of my arguments revolved around opportunity cost, the assumption that we could get better easily (I called this Angelina Jolie syndrome), that Leaving was displacement activity preventing address of UK real problems, and Gove on immigration during the last month. However self-recollection is unreliable and you are free to go back thru my comments to see if the bulk of my input was different. * @Richard_Nabavi: I like that theory so much I might steal it and pretend I thought of it... . You may be interested to know that Nate Silver in TS&TN says something similar, but he measures the effect in centuries. * whoever it is who points out that postal votes from the North are up, I assume they are all/mostly for Brexit. My headcanon says that BXP and LIB will do well, the former much more than the latter. * @MikeSmithson: I think being top of the list will have a negligible effect on Change UK's vote * all: GoT is over for ever and ever. I am slightly sad. I have recently stopped watching telly habitually and the death of it and TBBT and virtual death of NCIS means that I don't even know what's on telly these days. Am glum.
> @YBarddCwsc said: > > @justin124 said: > > If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass. > > ---- > > I do think Boris is much more likely to go for an election than May. > > May's confidence is a quivering, gelatinous mush on the floor. > > Boris is more of a braggart. He'll believe he can take on and beat Corbyn. And maybe he can ..... who knows? > > An election is needed to resolve the mess. The parties must have clear proposals, and MPs unwilling to sign up to their party's manifesto commitment need to find a new party.
Boris is advised by Lynton Crosby who has just landed the Australian election against the run of the polling, so confidence might be high.
> @OblitusSumMe said: > > @dixiedean said: > > Breaking. Cabinet agrees customs union till next election. R5L reports. > > How stupid do they think people are? There was already an option to extend the transition until 2022 to avoid the backstop.
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I think MPs have to be provided with a way of rowing back from their previous positions.
It is clear that the stakes are getting higher, for both Remain and Leave. And even for the very existence of the Tory and Labour parties.
> @justin124 said: > If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass.
CUK still look like they'd go down in flames if there was an election, so presumably they'd rather not have one. If they offered Boris a deal maybe he'd take it - it's not like he believes in anything, and he's not going to want to actually do whatever no-dealish pyromania he ran on.
> @edmundintokyo said: > > CUK still look like they'd go down in flames if there was an election, so presumably they'd rather not have one. If they offered him a deal maybe he'd take it - it's not like he actually believes in anything, and he's not going to want to actually do whatever no-dealish pyromania he ran on.
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True. And indeed, it is more general than CHUK.
Most MPs worry more about whether they'll make it back, if there is an election.
A lot of Tory and Labour MPs won't be feeling too chipper about an election in the current febrile atmosphere.
Re turnout: "Postal Vote Turnout in Birmingham as of yesterday was 52% - which I am told is higher than for the same stage in a normal stand alone set of Brummie Council elections."
Re turnout: "Postal Vote Turnout in Birmingham as of yesterday was 52% - which I am told is higher than for the same stage in a normal stand alone set of Brummie Council elections."
> * all: GoT is over for ever and ever. I am slightly sad. I have recently stopped watching telly habitually and the death of it and TBBT and virtual death of NCIS means that I don't even know what's on telly these days. Am glum.
The internet whining at GRRM for not finishing the books will live on. To be followed by moans that actually the TV series was better when he does finally publish them, etc, etc, for seven generations.
> @Nigel_Foremain said: > > @Brom said: > > > @houndtang said: > > > > @Brom said: > > > > > @logical_song said: > > > > > > @Brom said: > > > > > > > @Scott_P said: > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648 > > > > > > > > > > > > old news and rather desperate stuff > > > > > > > > > > Nobody should breach the law. > > > > > > > > Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal. > > > > > > the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality. > > > > always the way, some people don't want to take The Brexit Party on with their ideas so they try anything that can work as a smear - see Cadwalladr or Dan Snow. Not surprising people are sceptical given the lack of evidence presented. > > Sounds like you endorse dodgy funding and criminality as long as it is done in a cause that you support. Par for the course for supporters of the far right, although you are probably one of those that try to convince yourself that Farage is not of the far right. The Brexit Party: a coalition of nationalists, far right extremists and the extremely gullible.
Evidence yes - but smear and innunendo from your opponents isn’t evidence?
The official remain campaign spent nearly 50 per cent more than the leave campaign and nearly double if you count Cameron’s £10bn pro remain household leaflet. Yet it’s always poor me and we wuz robbed and it’s so unfair - coz their big money didn’t cut the mustard with voters. Anyone would think that spending differential was far more worrying in terms of a fair campaign.
> @OblitusSumMe said: > > @viewcode said: > > > * all: GoT is over for ever and ever. I am slightly sad. I have recently stopped watching telly habitually and the death of it and TBBT and virtual death of NCIS means that I don't even know what's on telly these days. Am glum. > > The internet whining at GRRM for not finishing the books will live on. To be followed by moans that actually the TV series was better when he does finally publish them, etc, etc, for seven generations.
I lost faith in the TV adaptation some time back when it became clear that grammar nazi Stannis Baratheon had failed in his quest to seize the Iron Throne in the name of correct English usage.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/21/brexit-party-nigel-farage-italy-digital-populists-five-star-movement
> > @Brom said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648
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> > old news and rather desperate stuff
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> Nobody should breach the law.
Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal.
> > @TGOHF said:
> > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted.
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> The culmination of two years of financial peril.
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And it was shit.
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
> > > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted.
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> > The culmination of two years of financial peril.
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> And it was shit.
I think Barbecoa was better, but I could never get on with Jamie's,
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> Agreed.
> Without wishing to be humourless, common assault is a crime irrespective of whether some think it funny, or it doesn't seem violent enough for them.
You would have to be a pretty fecking stupid politician to approve of splattering a political opponent with milkshake
Because, .... surprise, surprise, .... guess what happens next?
We seem to have some pretty fecking stupid politicians.
https://twitter.com/Barry_Digital/status/1130785612540387328
They had Jackie Stewart on R4 sharing his memories of Niki Lauda. The vision of Lauda after his first race back from his accident with blood streaming down his neck and overalls because his helmet had torn at the skin grafts was particularly striking.
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
> > > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted.
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> > The culmination of two years of financial peril.
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> And it was shit.
We went once. Overpriced and awful service. Many better alternatives. Sorry for the people who will lose their jobs and hope they get new ones soon
> An Independence from Europe got 1.4% of vote from the top of the ballot in 2014.
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> I thought TBP wanted to be close to Ukip as they thought it might get them a few votes from people who went in to the polling booth looking for UKIP.
Most voters aren’t that stupid.
I think we exaggerate such effects.
> > @TGOHF said:
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> > Nevermind British Steel - Jamie Oliver's chain about to be smelted.
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> The culmination of two years of financial peril.
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> He provided a third rate product at high prices. And knew about as much about good Italian cooking as my Irish granny.
This.
I’d support any party that regulated the frequency with which we see his pukka face on our TV screens and cookery books as well.
It’s utterly ubiquitous.
> The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble.
If they've broken the law then there should be consequences. However the EC must be even handed and do the same for all registered parties and campaigns, applying the same standards and zeal to all with the same level of publicity. The EC cannot get pulled into impartiality / betrayal narratives.
> The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble.
I wonder how they will view the People's Vote instructions asking donors to pay £499 specifically to avoid having to declare the donation sources. Hopefully they will be investigating that little scam as well.
"He (Jamie Oliver) provided a third rate product at high prices. And knew about as much about good Italian cooking as my Irish granny."
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Wasn't your grandmothers book - "Mrs Sofia O'Flattery's Italian Colcannon Recipes" a bestseller in County Mayo
> > @logical_song said:
> > > @Brom said:
> > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648
> > >
> > > old news and rather desperate stuff
> >
> > Nobody should breach the law.
>
> Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal.
the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality.
> Sobering.
>
> https://twitter.com/Barry_Digital/status/1130785612540387328
>
> They had Jackie Stewart on R4 sharing his memories of Niki Lauda. The vision of Lauda after his first race back from his accident with blood streaming down his neck and overalls because his helmet had torn at the skin grafts was particularly striking.
Well I suppose that means with Brexit we are learning an enormous amount.
https://twitter.com/matt_hfoster/status/1130756911647875072
> > @Freggles said:
> > The key question is whether TBP have measures in place to check whether the same individual is making multiple donations in order to evade the £500 limit. Collecting name and PayPal email address isn't foolproof but it's probably what you can reasonably expect - if they're not doing that they should expect trouble.
>
> I wonder how they will view the People's Vote instructions asking donors to pay £499 specifically to avoid having to declare the donation sources. Hopefully they will be investigating that little scam as well.
Agreed. Then we'll go after the bastards who drive at 69mph on the mnotorway, or take a 22kg suitcase when they have a 23kg luggage allowance. The sight of them getting away with it makes my blood boil.
I loved this phrase "What users/members/customers are given is basically a window-dressing of participation.”
It is old wine in new digital bottles though. A mass movement built around a charismatic individual claiming to speak for the dispossessed and railing against conspiracies, elites and enemies.
Where have we seen this before?
> I have an apocryphal tale about alphabetical order. Many years ago I stood in a three member ward, along with two colleagues. One of our opposition candidates was a very well known local GP. When the results came out he was first and my colleagues whose names started with A and C were second and third and I was well behind in fourth so not elected (my surname starts with an M). I was tempted to change my name to Aardvark just to get to the top of the ballot paper.
Start the political dynasty of the Aabuthnots......
EDIT: Or perhaps with built-in political excuses, the Aabutnots....
"Yes, I said we should follow a policy of privatising the NHS. Ah, but not like that....."
> > @Brom said:
> > > @logical_song said:
> > > > @Brom said:
> > > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648
> > > >
> > > > old news and rather desperate stuff
> > >
> > > Nobody should breach the law.
> >
> > Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal.
>
> the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality.
always the way, some people don't want to take The Brexit Party on with their ideas so they try anything that can work as a smear - see Cadwalladr or Dan Snow. Not surprising people are sceptical given the lack of evidence presented.
My mama told a wonderful story of meeting her mother-in-law for the first time on the family farm. My parents were married and my father was introducing his new much younger and sultry looking bride to his enormous Irish family.
They decided to make her feel at home by presenting her with what they thought was Italian cuisine: spaghetti hoops on toast and some salad with salad cream. My mother was left speechless. Fortunately for family harmony they put it down to her limited English.
> On topic - Arguably the one mistake The Brexit Party have made is not calling themselves "Brexit Party"
Brexit: The Party
> Interesting Long Read in The Guardian today about how TBP have copied the Italian Five Star Movement model of direct internet democracy.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/21/brexit-party-nigel-farage-italy-digital-populists-five-star-movement
>
> Yes, that's a very interesting article indeed - a must-read.
>
> It is. Very interesting. Italy was the testbed for a new type of politics at the start of the 20th century and seems to be doing the same in the 21st.
>
> I loved this phrase "What users/members/customers are given is basically a window-dressing of participation.”
>
> It is old wine in new digital bottles though. A mass movement built around a charismatic individual claiming to speak for the dispossessed and railing against conspiracies, elites and enemies.
>
> Where have we seen this before?
Knareswell village council.
> https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130749813631463424
Rees-Mogg's loyalty to Boris Johnson's candidacy is quite odd.
> @Cyclefree said:
>
>
>
> "He (Jamie Oliver) provided a third rate product at high prices. And knew about as much about good Italian cooking as my Irish granny."
>
>
>
> ................................................................................................................
>
>
>
> Wasn't your grandmothers book - "Mrs Sofia O'Flattery's Italian Colcannon Recipes" a bestseller in County Mayo
>
> County Limerick please. Horse breeding and training country.
>
> My mama told a wonderful story of meeting her mother-in-law for the first time on the family farm. My parents were married and my father was introducing his new much younger and sultry looking bride to his enormous Irish family.
>
> They decided to make her feel at home by presenting her with what they thought was Italian cuisine: spaghetti hoops on toast and some salad with salad cream. My mother was left speechless. Fortunately for family harmony they put it down to her limited English.
My wife went to a TOP London restaurant (will spare the blushes of the very well known chef). She ordered a pasta dish. Tasted it. Sent it back.
Shortly afterwards, the chef himself came out and sat on the edge of her table (dontcha just hate that?), asking "So what is wrong with my food".
The wife politely informed him that (presumably) his sous chef had reduced the sauce down W-A-Y too much. "It tastes like spaghetti hoops."
He went back to the kitchen. Tasted the sauce. Returned to her table.
"You're right. It tastes like spaghetti hoops."
> On topic - Arguably the one mistake The Brexit Party have made is not calling themselves "Brexit Party"
Apparently they wanted to be next to UKIP, so as to avid confusion there?
> https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/1128990327346532353
Only Boris can go for a Referendum/Revoke.
(As in Nixon/China)
"Mr Speaker: I have enumerated the nation's farthings and guineas ......"
> > @houndtang said:
> > > @Brom said:
> > > > @logical_song said:
> > > > > @Brom said:
> > > > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648
> > > > >
> > > > > old news and rather desperate stuff
> > > >
> > > > Nobody should breach the law.
> > >
> > > Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal.
> >
> > the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality.
>
> always the way, some people don't want to take The Brexit Party on with their ideas so they try anything that can work as a smear - see Cadwalladr or Dan Snow. Not surprising people are sceptical given the lack of evidence presented.
Sounds like you endorse dodgy funding and criminality as long as it is done in a cause that you support. Par for the course for supporters of the far right, although you are probably one of those that try to convince yourself that Farage is not of the far right. The Brexit Party: a coalition of nationalists, far right extremists and the extremely gullible.
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/1128990327346532353
>
> Only Boris can go for a Referendum/Revoke.
> (As in Nixon/China)
Are remainers starting to look at Boris in the same way they used to look at May?
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130749813631463424
>
> Rees-Mogg's loyalty to Boris Johnson's candidacy is quite odd.
He probably has something on him from school days. Something involving a biscuit and a milkshake perhaps?
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130749813631463424
>
> Rees-Mogg's loyalty to Boris Johnson's candidacy is quite odd.
Family > School > Party > Country
> > @logical_song said:
> > > @rottenborough said:
> > > https://twitter.com/rbrharrison/status/1128990327346532353
> >
> > Only Boris can go for a Referendum/Revoke.
> > (As in Nixon/China)
>
> Are remainers starting to look at Boris in the same way they used to look at May?
maybe: so hopeless that she/he won't deliver the madness known as Brexit
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1130749813631463424
>
> Rees-Mogg's loyalty to Boris Johnson's candidacy is quite odd.
Its the same with Boris and Arlene.
They seem to like a sinner... Maybe they hope they can save his soul? Think its a bit too late in the day to stop Boris being sinful now though...
https://twitter.com/sanglesey/status/1130746211051425792
My mother made a superb version once even making it for me when I was in hospital with TB and literally wasting away in front of her eyes. I will never forget the look on the nurse's face when she came into my room and saw my mother whisking the Marsala wine and egg and sugar. She was about to say something, caught my mother's eye and beat a hasty retreat.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > On topic - Arguably the one mistake The Brexit Party have made is not calling themselves "Brexit Party"
>
> Apparently they wanted to be next to UKIP, so as to avid confusion there?
Sounds daft. Number one priority is to top the ballot paper I'd have thought.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/21/westminster-support-staff-strike-missed-pay-cheques
And if he tries to break his promise how will he get it past the Commons?
https://www.bet365.com/#/AC/B5/C20642645/D1/E41412474/F2/
Groundhog Day...
Again.
> > @tlg86 said:
> > An Independence from Europe got 1.4% of vote from the top of the ballot in 2014.
> >
> > I thought TBP wanted to be close to Ukip as they thought it might get them a few votes from people who went in to the polling booth looking for UKIP.
>
> Most voters aren’t that stupid.
>
> I think we exaggerate such effects.
>
I tend to agree with Mike and it occurred to me when I saw the ballot - we saw the same effect in multi-ward local elections. Similarly I wonder if some of the Brexit votes will accidentally drift off to UKIP. I'm sure Casino is right that 95% of voters aren't influenced, but 5% would be important here.
> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1130797817382019073
Nothing. Has. Changed.
Oh wait...
> https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1130797817382019073
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfh6QDIZBUs
TBP 31%
Lab 23%
Lib 16%
Con 9%
Green 9%
CUK 4%
https://www.comresglobal.com/pollwatch-european-election-special-tories-braced-for-heavy-defeat/
And if he tries to break his promise, how will he get it past the Commons?
Jovial bluster and bare faced lying is my guess.
As so much information is available at the click of a mouse it is easy to devalue or dismiss experience, judgment, the ability to assess information, to ask questions, to think rather than just receive.
> Latest ComRes;
>
> TBP 31%
> Lab 23%
> Lib 16%
> Con 9%
> Green 9%
> CUK 4%
>
> https://www.comresglobal.com/pollwatch-european-election-special-tories-braced-for-heavy-defeat/
That's an old poll or the figures are exactly the same as its last one
> I have a theory that whenever you get a big dislocation caused by a major change in media, it creates an opportunity for populists because the population won't have developed a defence of scepticism about the messages received via the new media. Examples would include the French Revolution (widely-available printed pamphlets), Mussolini and Hitler using radio to speak direct to voters, Berlusconi taking control of the TV medium, and the internet enabling the populists of today, such as Farage, Corbyn, Trump, and the Five Star movement, peddling their simplistic tosh. Once people get used to the new medium, the direct effect is less and messages received via it are put more into context.
Mussolini had been pm for a couple of years before radio started in Italy, but he certainly encouraged it and made it a tool of the Fascist state. Of course the periods that Musso and Hitler were bothered about speaking directly to voters rather than il Popolo & das Volk were relatively short.
> Did Vince miss a trick here? He should have changed the LDs name to the Anti-Democratic Party. Both honest and at the top of the list.
In what way. > @Marco1 said:
> Is this the same Electoral Commision that is stuffed with Lab, Con, ex BBC and Lib Party sycophants, some who are openly pro EU ? Yes, of course we live in a true democracy.
What a stupid ignorant comment. Name names or f- off.
> If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass.
----
I do think Boris is much more likely to go for an election than May.
May's confidence is a quivering, gelatinous mush on the floor.
Boris is more of a braggart. He'll believe he can take on and beat Corbyn. And maybe he can ..... who knows?
An election is needed to resolve the mess. The parties must have clear proposals, and MPs unwilling to sign up to their party's manifesto commitment need to find a new party.
> Did Vince miss a trick here? He should have changed the LDs name to the Anti-Democratic Party. Both honest and at the top of the list.
--
Remember we're dealing with new, coarsened LibDems.
Bollocks to Democracy will still do the trick and beat Brexit Party in the alphabet.
> Breaking. Cabinet agrees customs union till next election. R5L reports.
That's not getting through.
> > @dixiedean said:
> > Breaking. Cabinet agrees customs union till next election. R5L reports.
>
> That's not getting through.
I would wait and see. May needs 30+ Labour switchers (I think she'll keep almost all her Con votes).
Edit: to be clear, I'll believe 30+ Lab switchers when I see it and not a second before.
* @isam: Throwing milkshakes on candidates us bad and the people doing it should be arrested and appropriately punished.
* whoever it was who said PB Remainers should apologise for not predicting no recession: to the best of my recollection most of my arguments revolved around opportunity cost, the assumption that we could get better easily (I called this Angelina Jolie syndrome), that Leaving was displacement activity preventing address of UK real problems, and Gove on immigration during the last month. However self-recollection is unreliable and you are free to go back thru my comments to see if the bulk of my input was different.
* @Richard_Nabavi: I like that theory so much I might steal it and pretend I thought of it...
* whoever it is who points out that postal votes from the North are up, I assume they are all/mostly for Brexit. My headcanon says that BXP and LIB will do well, the former much more than the latter.
* @MikeSmithson: I think being top of the list will have a negligible effect on Change UK's vote
* all: GoT is over for ever and ever. I am slightly sad. I have recently stopped watching telly habitually and the death of it and TBBT and virtual death of NCIS means that I don't even know what's on telly these days. Am glum.
> Breaking. Cabinet agrees customs union till next election. R5L reports.
How stupid do they think people are? There was already an option to extend the transition until 2022 to avoid the backstop.
> > @justin124 said:
> > If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass.
>
> ----
>
> I do think Boris is much more likely to go for an election than May.
>
> May's confidence is a quivering, gelatinous mush on the floor.
>
> Boris is more of a braggart. He'll believe he can take on and beat Corbyn. And maybe he can ..... who knows?
>
> An election is needed to resolve the mess. The parties must have clear proposals, and MPs unwilling to sign up to their party's manifesto commitment need to find a new party.
Boris is advised by Lynton Crosby who has just landed the Australian election against the run of the polling, so confidence might be high.
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1130797817382019073
>
>
> Nothing. Has. Changed.
Well...same Shit Deal, but now with a new side-order of Norovirus.....
> > @dixiedean said:
> > Breaking. Cabinet agrees customs union till next election. R5L reports.
>
> How stupid do they think people are? There was already an option to extend the transition until 2022 to avoid the backstop.
--
I think MPs have to be provided with a way of rowing back from their previous positions.
It is clear that the stakes are getting higher, for both Remain and Leave. And even for the very existence of the Tory and Labour parties.
Nothing has changed of course.
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > > @rottenborough said:
> > > https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1130797817382019073
> >
> >
> > Nothing. Has. Changed.
>
> Well...same Shit Deal, but now with a new side-order of Norovirus.....
"Big Speech" from PM expected today at 4pm
> If Boris becomes Tory leader and a few Tory MPs resign the Whip to sit on the Opposition benches, the Government will lose its majority - even with DUP support - if Tory strength drops below 310 MPs. Difficult to see CUK propping him up so a VNOC could well pass.
CUK still look like they'd go down in flames if there was an election, so presumably they'd rather not have one. If they offered Boris a deal maybe he'd take it - it's not like he believes in anything, and he's not going to want to actually do whatever no-dealish pyromania he ran on.
> https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1130806882015371264
Box sets are supposed to provide entertainment.
>
> CUK still look like they'd go down in flames if there was an election, so presumably they'd rather not have one. If they offered him a deal maybe he'd take it - it's not like he actually believes in anything, and he's not going to want to actually do whatever no-dealish pyromania he ran on.
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True. And indeed, it is more general than CHUK.
Most MPs worry more about whether they'll make it back, if there is an election.
A lot of Tory and Labour MPs won't be feeling too chipper about an election in the current febrile atmosphere.
Read more: http://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/12291/west-midlands?page=3#ixzz5oYqIG8M4
> * all: GoT is over for ever and ever. I am slightly sad. I have recently stopped watching telly habitually and the death of it and TBBT and virtual death of NCIS means that I don't even know what's on telly these days. Am glum.
The internet whining at GRRM for not finishing the books will live on. To be followed by moans that actually the TV series was better when he does finally publish them, etc, etc, for seven generations.
> > @Brom said:
> > > @houndtang said:
> > > > @Brom said:
> > > > > @logical_song said:
> > > > > > @Brom said:
> > > > > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > > > > https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1130775368376475648
> > > > > >
> > > > > > old news and rather desperate stuff
> > > > >
> > > > > Nobody should breach the law.
> > > >
> > > > Look forward to the evidence. Looks pretty flimsy given how Labour and the other parties also use paypal.
> > >
> > > the usual 'win a court case' instead of a vote or an argument mentality.
> >
> > always the way, some people don't want to take The Brexit Party on with their ideas so they try anything that can work as a smear - see Cadwalladr or Dan Snow. Not surprising people are sceptical given the lack of evidence presented.
>
> Sounds like you endorse dodgy funding and criminality as long as it is done in a cause that you support. Par for the course for supporters of the far right, although you are probably one of those that try to convince yourself that Farage is not of the far right. The Brexit Party: a coalition of nationalists, far right extremists and the extremely gullible.
Evidence yes - but smear and innunendo from your opponents isn’t evidence?
The official remain campaign spent nearly 50 per cent more than the leave campaign and nearly double if you count Cameron’s £10bn pro remain household leaflet. Yet it’s always poor me and we wuz robbed and it’s so unfair - coz their big money didn’t cut the mustard with voters. Anyone would think that spending differential was far more worrying in terms of a fair campaign.
> > @viewcode said:
>
> > * all: GoT is over for ever and ever. I am slightly sad. I have recently stopped watching telly habitually and the death of it and TBBT and virtual death of NCIS means that I don't even know what's on telly these days. Am glum.
>
> The internet whining at GRRM for not finishing the books will live on. To be followed by moans that actually the TV series was better when he does finally publish them, etc, etc, for seven generations.
I lost faith in the TV adaptation some time back when it became clear that grammar nazi Stannis Baratheon had failed in his quest to seize the Iron Throne in the name of correct English usage.