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Lots of talk over the past 24 hours about the Lib Dem slogan on one of its leaflets for the European parliament election campaign. Clearly the word “bollocks” is one that is on the very margins of what is acceptable in polite society but it does get home the message well.
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Mr. Pulpstar, the Lib Dems are doing well in that contest, though it's worth recalling they're also benefiting from the CUKs underperforming.
They should have gone with Remain Independent Party
Given the complete stupidity of the constituencies and the electoral system used I've held my nose and voted Labour for the first time in decades
The North East has 3 seats so the result is either 2 Brexit, 1 labour or 2 labour, 1 Brexit so I'm voting to avoid the former option.
> Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
>
> ChUK is such a stupid name
>
> They should have gone with Remain Independent Party
RIP - very smart
> In the short term I agree this is smart tactics, but in the longer term being a single issue party may be less smart as Brexit will eventually be resolved in some shape or form.
It's a single issue election
#Bollocks to Brexit.
> Bollocks to Blair T shirts led to arrests. Will the same happen to Bollocks to Brexit wearers? Asking for a friend.
>
> https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/hunting/girl-arrested-over-bollocks-to-blair-shirt-68779
Let your friend know that charges were dropped:
https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/charges-dropped-against-bollocks-to-blair-team-chase-rider-153463
> Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
The main change Change UK has achieved is to make Theresa May look like a political mastermind in comparison.
Resolving existential binary outcomes pushes parties, factions within parties, and voters to ever-stronger positions. cf. the eclipse of the UUP & SDLP in Northern Ireland, and the SNP surge and associated Tory revival in Scotland.
> My European Election postal vote has arrived and been returned
>
> Given the complete stupidity of the constituencies and the electoral system used I've held my nose and voted Labour for the first time in decades
>
> The North East has 3 seats so the result is either 2 Brexit, 1 labour or 2 labour, 1 Brexit so I'm voting to avoid the former option.
A Labour vote is fair enough in the North East if you're not in favour of an actual hard Brexit.
Mr. B, still insane they were arrested in the first place.
> Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
That's an achievement in the same way that it'd be an achievement for me to beat my cat at chess
Anyway, Verhofstadt drawing in the crowds I see;
https://www.twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1126795323509223424
Interestingly though, his range for Labour was +200 to +990.
Let it go.
Quite a lot of those people don't make a lot of noise, are older, live in small towns and rural areas, don't protest, never ever use offensive language in public whether sexual slang, obscenity, scatalogical language or blasphemy/profanity. They are difficult to notice because these people are characterised by what they don't do and say. What they do all do is vote, and a lot of them have long memories.
No information has come through the door on what lead candidates stand for, nothing on views of EU from any candidate. It is a truly rotten way of returning MEPs. Now faced with choice of spoiling ballot. Grr.
Soubry booed from start to finish on QT last night, preaching being civil while branding Farage racist, some change.
If I didn’t dislike them so much I’d feel sorry for them
> Rollocks to Remain?
Ha, Ha. Might add that to the postal vote.
> My European Election postal vote has arrived and been returned
>
> Given the complete stupidity of the constituencies and the electoral system used I've held my nose and voted Labour for the first time in decades
>
> The North East has 3 seats so the result is either 2 Brexit, 1 labour or 2 labour, 1 Brexit so I'm voting to avoid the former option.
Yes, the right choice surely. And still counts the same, nose held or not.
> Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
>
> What on earth are Chukas mob playing at? It was always a strange idea to think that standing on a platform of keeping all the things the public dislike from the first 16 years of the century and calling it ‘Change’ was going to work, but not putting up candidates in two by elections since they formed is totally bizarre.
>
> Soubry booed from start to finish on QT last night, preaching being civil while branding Farage racist, some change.
>
> If I didn’t dislike them so much I’d feel sorry for them
The pro austerity, pro remain vote (Which when you stick Soubry up as a talking head is essentially what you're selling) isn't huge.
> Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
>
> What on earth are Chukas mob playing at? It was always a strange idea to think that standing on a platform of keeping all the things the public dislike from the first 16 years of the century and calling it ‘Change’ was going to work, but not putting up candidates in two by elections since they formed is totally bizarre.
>
> Soubry booed from start to finish on QT last night, preaching being civil while branding Farage racist, some change.
>
> If I didn’t dislike them so much I’d feel sorry for them
Perhaps you didn't notice Farage's boorishness? I suspect most TV viewers did.
It's actually a brilliant slogan and has got people talking. It's the first time anyone since the People's March has wrestled the agenda away from Nigel Farage.
I've accordingly ordered several Bollocks to Brexit posters for my, highly visible, windows.
> I think the Lib Dems should be more cautious about the use of offensive language. Only yesterday the use of an inappropriate image and caption seems to have ended a good deal of Danny Baker's career. This of course is because a left leaning person has offended both woke people and simultaneously all the people who just instinctively don't like people like Danny Baker. And who can blame them.
>
> Quite a lot of those people don't make a lot of noise, are older, live in small towns and rural areas, don't protest, never ever use offensive language in public whether sexual slang, obscenity, scatalogical language or blasphemy/profanity. They are difficult to notice because these people are characterised by what they don't do and say. What they do all do is vote, and a lot of them have long memories.
Believe me old people, of which I am one, use profanities. > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
> Rollocks to Remain?
Doesn't work. The B sound is more powerful that R and the "..ollocks" bit is not picked up by the "...emain" bit.
> Got our polling cards in the post yesterday. My brother got a BP leaflet addressed to him personally, but I didn't
Same address? You'll get a different leaflet later in the campaign: a much more efficient use of the free mailshot.
> > @Pulpstar said:
> > Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
>
> That's an achievement in the same way that it'd be an achievement for me to beat my cat at chess
Although to be incredibly anal, it actually WOULD be a fantastic achievement of yours, beating your cat at chess, since it means you would have managed to teach it to play, however badly, and even with the most precocious of mogs that would be quite something. Would get you on This Morning, I reckon.
> My European Election postal vote has arrived and been returned
>
> Given the complete stupidity of the constituencies and the electoral system used I've held my nose and voted Labour for the first time in decades
>
> The North East has 3 seats so the result is either 2 Brexit, 1 labour or 2 labour, 1 Brexit so I'm voting to avoid the former option.
IMO there are two ways to vote in this election.
Either you vote for who will make the best MEPs, in which case it makes sense to vote tactically, or you vote as a signal, with the aim of your side getting the best national vote share.
I basically agree with the Labour line on Brexit, but I can't vote for a party under investigation for racism. So it's vote Tory, spoil ballot, or vote for a Remainy party
(or I could do a Rian Johnson, subverting all of your expectations by voting Green LibDem ChUK!)
https://mailchi.mp/politics/week-in-review-political-stasis-is-underpriced?e=8922a89754
<i>"...in reality, this is what has defined Brexit for the last three years: a furiously churning status quo in which nothing actually changes. This is why you feel completely out the loop if you miss a morning's worth of Brexit news, but as if nothing has changed when you miss a month's worth."</i>
It's 2019. Bollocks to Brexit is absolutely fine.
I mean, heck, the C word is now a total regular on GoT. Unthinkable 20 yrs ago.
Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
> > @Stereotomy said:
> > > @Pulpstar said:
> > > Credit where it is due, the Lib Dems are crushing CHUKa's TIGgers on the remain side of the great Brexit debate.
> >
> > That's an achievement in the same way that it'd be an achievement for me to beat my cat at chess
>
>
>
> Although to be incredibly anal, it actually WOULD be a fantastic achievement of yours, beating your cat at chess, since it means you would have managed to teach it to play, however badly, and even with the most precocious of mogs that would be quite something. Would get you on This Morning, I reckon.
Pff, you're telling me that you don't use a timer when you're playing your cat at chess? Amateur.
> There's clearly a line and the word 'Bollocks' is nowhere near it.
>
> It's 2019. Bollocks to Brexit is absolutely fine.
>
> I mean, heck, the C word is now a total regular on GoT. Unthinkable 20 yrs ago.
Well, duh. No one knew who the hell Cersei was back then.
>
> Perhaps you didn't notice Farage's boorishness? I suspect most TV viewers did.
He went a bit Trumpy and oddly it did not quite come off. For me, he under-performed a touch. Still an operator though. Still needs to be nobbled.
> My wife and I have both voted conservative in our postal ballot today demonstrating that, notwithstanding criticism from some quarters, we remain loyal to our party in defiance of Farage, unlike many thousands of so called loyal supporters and activists who will vote for Farage, the absurd Widdecombe, and the rest of the no deal wreckers.
>
> Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
>
> Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
>
> It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
If you want her to go, voting for the Tories seems like you're sending the wrong message. How much sympathy would you have with a Labour voter who cast their vote hoping to hasten Corbyn's departure?
> I'm on a mailing list for politics.co.uk. This is their weekly article. I think it's excellent and insightful, and there's food for thought for Leavers and Remainers alike. It's well worth 5 minutes of your time.
> https://mailchi.mp/politics/week-in-review-political-stasis-is-underpriced?e=8922a89754
> <i>"...in reality, this is what has defined Brexit for the last three years: a furiously churning status quo in which nothing actually changes. This is why you feel completely out the loop if you miss a morning's worth of Brexit news, but as if nothing has changed when you miss a month's worth."</i>
**************
Good article. IMO the UK will be stuck in the current limbo until at least the next general election, which is unlikely to be before 2022. The only way the logjam could be broken is if the EU refuses another extension to A50, but, for the reasons set out in the article, I think that is unlikely.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > My wife and I have both voted conservative in our postal ballot today demonstrating that, notwithstanding criticism from some quarters, we remain loyal to our party in defiance of Farage, unlike many thousands of so called loyal supporters and activists who will vote for Farage, the absurd Widdecombe, and the rest of the no deal wreckers.
> >
> > Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
> >
> > Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
> >
> > It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
>
> If you want her to go, voting for the Tories seems like you're sending the wrong message. How much sympathy would you have with a Labour voter who cast their vote hoping to hasten Corbyn's departure?
I just cannot vote for Farage under any circumstances or the lib dems. I doubt our two votes will add much to the dreadful support the party will receive but I cannot be accused of being a fair weather supporter, as I was yesterday, when tens of thousands of conservatives will vote for Farage
> I totally agree with Mike.
>
> It's actually a brilliant slogan and has got people talking. It's the first time anyone since the People's March has wrestled the agenda away from Nigel Farage.
>
> I've accordingly ordered several Bollocks to Brexit posters for my, highly visible, windows.
...and that's before we've seen Laura Kuenssberg trying to get her tongue round it
> It's an effective slogan. Though the LDs only now being rewarded for Brexit stance us weird.
I think that, somehow, the creation of TIG, with them not joining the Lib Dems, has allowed some people to move on from anger at the Coalition years. Perhaps it's that the futility of trying to create a new centrist party when one already exists has shown people the futility of making decisions about the future based solely on the past.
Edit. I did say PB originally, and there’s definitely a few good people behind the scenes here.
> There's clearly a line and the word 'Bollocks' is nowhere near it.
>
> It's 2019. Bollocks to Brexit is absolutely fine.
>
> I mean, heck, the C word is now a total regular on GoT. Unthinkable 20 yrs ago.
People still get dismissed for using such language at work.
East Lothian – Haddington and Lammermuir
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Given the current Vanilla status, that is arguable...
It's certainly a good slogan in political terms, headline grabbing, just on the right side of controversial, every day that we discuss it is another day we talk about the LDs. But yes, it is a bit juvenile and as someone else has pointed out already, comes across as being a bit "edgy" for the sake of it.
> > @Stereotomy said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > My wife and I have both voted conservative in our postal ballot today demonstrating that, notwithstanding criticism from some quarters, we remain loyal to our party in defiance of Farage, unlike many thousands of so called loyal supporters and activists who will vote for Farage, the absurd Widdecombe, and the rest of the no deal wreckers.
> > >
> > > Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
> > >
> > > Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
> > >
> > > It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
> >
> > If you want her to go, voting for the Tories seems like you're sending the wrong message. How much sympathy would you have with a Labour voter who cast their vote hoping to hasten Corbyn's departure?
>
> I just cannot vote for Farage under any circumstances or the lib dems. I doubt our two votes will add much to the dreadful support the party will receive but I cannot be accused of being a fair weather supporter, as I was yesterday, when tens of thousands of conservatives will vote for Farage
Weren't you CUK-curious at one point?
I get it though, if your view is that a compromise position on Brexit is necessary and you're anti-Labour, that really doesn't leave you anywhere to go except the Tories. A spoilt ballot is an option, though!
> Cracking result for the tories in East Lothian.
>
> East Lothian – Haddington and Lammermuir
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> Local elections: The Conservative/Labour battlegrounds
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>
> Conservatives 2,212 (35.0 per cent, +6.0 on 2017) SNP 1,866 (29.5 per cent, +3.5) Labour 1,359 (21.5 per cent, -12.2) Lib Dems 774 (12.2 per cent, +5) UKIP 108 (1.7 per cent, +1.7)
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Ruth's strong pro Union stance proving popular. Dreadful for labour
> Cracking result for the tories in East Lothian.
>
> East Lothian – Haddington and Lammermuir
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>
> Conservatives 2,212 (35.0 per cent, +6.0 on 2017) SNP 1,866 (29.5 per cent, +3.5) Labour 1,359 (21.5 per cent, -12.2) Lib Dems 774 (12.2 per cent, +5) UKIP 108 (1.7 per cent, +1.7)
>
> Conservatives hold
Looks like the Scottish Labour surge is gathering....er -12.5% Oops.
> https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1126814023620677632
Very wise. Never advertise your competitors. Rule1
> looks like the > @felix said:
> > Cracking result for the tories in East Lothian.
> >
> > East Lothian – Haddington and Lammermuir
> > Related Articles
> >
> > Local elections: The Conservative/Labour battlegrounds
> > Council by-election result from yesterday and forthcoming contests
> > “I wish recess could have gone on another ten days”: Tory councillors finally get the chance to talk about local issues
> > Council by-election results from yesterday and forthcoming contests
> > Council by-election result from yesterday and forthcoming contests
> >
> > Conservatives 2,212 (35.0 per cent, +6.0 on 2017) SNP 1,866 (29.5 per cent, +3.5) Labour 1,359 (21.5 per cent, -12.2) Lib Dems 774 (12.2 per cent, +5) UKIP 108 (1.7 per cent, +1.7)
> >
> > Conservatives hold
>
> Looks like the Scottish Labour surge is gathering....er -12.5% Oops.
Don't tell Justin
> > @felix said:
> > looks like the > @felix said:
> > > Cracking result for the tories in East Lothian.
> > >
> > > East Lothian – Haddington and Lammermuir
> > > Related Articles
> > >
> > > Local elections: The Conservative/Labour battlegrounds
> > > Council by-election result from yesterday and forthcoming contests
> > > “I wish recess could have gone on another ten days”: Tory councillors finally get the chance to talk about local issues
> > > Council by-election results from yesterday and forthcoming contests
> > > Council by-election result from yesterday and forthcoming contests
> > >
> > > Conservatives 2,212 (35.0 per cent, +6.0 on 2017) SNP 1,866 (29.5 per cent, +3.5) Labour 1,359 (21.5 per cent, -12.2) Lib Dems 774 (12.2 per cent, +5) UKIP 108 (1.7 per cent, +1.7)
> > >
> > > Conservatives hold
> >
> > Looks like the Scottish Labour surge is gathering....er -12.5% Oops.
>
> Don't tell Justin
I think he is studiously focusing on the bad language of the LDs right now.
> Pff, you're telling me that you don't use a timer when you're playing your cat at chess? Amateur.
Ah, all becomes clear.
No, mine gets stressed out by that. Insists that it's against the spirit of the game.
Cats eh.
> > @Mysticrose said:
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> > I totally agree with Mike.
>
> >
>
> > It's actually a brilliant slogan and has got people talking. It's the first time anyone since the People's March has wrestled the agenda away from Nigel Farage.
>
> >
>
> > I've accordingly ordered several Bollocks to Brexit posters for my, highly visible, windows.
>
>
>
> ...and that's before we've seen Laura Kuenssberg trying to get her tongue round it
>
> It's a simple and effective slogan but isn't it stolen? My memory is that the Pimlico Plumbers bloke used it on his ads before the Liberals co-opted it?
There is surely a bar chart they've got somewhere to prove your memory is at fault.
Please, it’s before the watershed.
> > @Mysticrose said:
>
> > I totally agree with Mike.
>
> >
>
> > It's actually a brilliant slogan and has got people talking. It's the first time anyone since the People's March has wrestled the agenda away from Nigel Farage.
>
> >
>
> > I've accordingly ordered several Bollocks to Brexit posters for my, highly visible, windows.
>
>
>
> ...and that's before we've seen Laura Kuenssberg trying to get her tongue round it
>
> It's a simple and effective slogan but isn't it stolen? My memory is that the Pimlico Plumbers bloke used it on his ads before the Liberals co-opted it?
Stealing well is the second law of advertising
> https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1126814023620677632
This is why the Lib Dems are polling so badly in a European election they should be coming 1st or 2nd in. Cant be trusted.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @Stereotomy said:
> > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > My wife and I have both voted conservative in our postal ballot today demonstrating that, notwithstanding criticism from some quarters, we remain loyal to our party in defiance of Farage, unlike many thousands of so called loyal supporters and activists who will vote for Farage, the absurd Widdecombe, and the rest of the no deal wreckers.
> > > >
> > > > Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
> > > >
> > > > Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
> > > >
> > > > It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
> > >
> > > If you want her to go, voting for the Tories seems like you're sending the wrong message. How much sympathy would you have with a Labour voter who cast their vote hoping to hasten Corbyn's departure?
> >
> > I just cannot vote for Farage under any circumstances or the lib dems. I doubt our two votes will add much to the dreadful support the party will receive but I cannot be accused of being a fair weather supporter, as I was yesterday, when tens of thousands of conservatives will vote for Farage
>
> Weren't you CUK-curious at one point?
>
> I get it though, if your view is that a compromise position on Brexit is necessary and you're anti-Labour, that really doesn't leave you anywhere to go except the Tories. A spoilt ballot is an option, though!
Yes I was but CUK have fallen off my radar. It was at the time the ERG went over the top and wanted (and still want) an economic armageddon. I believe TM achieved a good deal and I still support it but TM has lost her authority and the party needs a new leader though elected properly. I would not spoil my ballot paper, it is something beyond me why people do
> "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
Agree - I'm also not convinced parading Guy Verhofstadt is the wisest move. I'm a remain supporter but he is a total tit. I'm using the new freedom of language edict from on high today as you can see.
> My wife and I have both voted conservative in our postal ballot today demonstrating that, notwithstanding criticism from some quarters, we remain loyal to our party in defiance of Farage, unlike many thousands of so called loyal supporters and activists who will vote for Farage, the absurd Widdecombe, and the rest of the no deal wreckers.
>
> Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
>
> Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
>
> It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
Must surely use the summer recess to run a leadership contest, don't you think?
Window of opportunity there, assuming they can get her to play ball.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1126814023620677632
>
> Very wise. Never advertise your competitors. Rule1
Indeed!
It's much higher than that Donald!
I really like their candidate for Colchester - but a remainer party is not getting my vote.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > My wife and I have both voted conservative in our postal ballot today demonstrating that, notwithstanding criticism from some quarters, we remain loyal to our party in defiance of Farage, unlike many thousands of so called loyal supporters and activists who will vote for Farage, the absurd Widdecombe, and the rest of the no deal wreckers.
> >
> > Our dislike and distrust of Farage gave us a thought to counter him by voting for the Lib Dems as the only party with a clear message against Farage, but the vote for our party was the only correct course for us to take
> >
> > Having been loyal to TM and her deal the time has now come for TM to stand aside no later than immediately after the EU results are known which coincides with another ridiculous HOC holiday break from the 23rd May to the 4th June. TM needs to invite the election of her successor in this time and to continue as caretaker PM until a full election process has been completed including the two names sent to the members for their final decision
> >
> > It does seem the ladies are on the march with McVey, Leadsom, Pritel, and no doubt Mordaunt, Truss, and others all wanting the succession
>
> Must surely use the summer recess to run a leadership contest, don't you think?
>
> Window of opportunity there, assuming they can get her to play ball.
I want it before to be honest but that would be the latest
> "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
> > @Roger said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1126814023620677632
> >
> > Very wise. Never advertise your competitors. Rule1
>
> Indeed!
It is absolutely an error to advertise competitors. Fundamental to all successful businesses
> It's much higher than that Donald!
Tuskie's estimate roughly agrees with the Betfair A50 revoke market - although I suppose there's a small chance of a Brexiteer PM trying a revoke and reinvoke.
> > @RightChuck said:
> > "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
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> You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
Pointless potd.
> > @Mysticrose said:
> > There's clearly a line and the word 'Bollocks' is nowhere near it.
> >
> > It's 2019. Bollocks to Brexit is absolutely fine.
> >
> > I mean, heck, the C word is now a total regular on GoT. Unthinkable 20 yrs ago.
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> People still get dismissed for using such language at work.
Bloody hell - you should the language used in my office - and that's just the ladies :-)
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > > @Roger said:
> > > > @Scott_P said:
> > > > https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1126814023620677632
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> > > Very wise. Never advertise your competitors. Rule1
> >
> > Indeed!
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> It is absolutely an error to advertise competitors. Fundamental to all successful businesses
Why would May legitimise Corbyn then?
> Well - all i can say is that their Brexit stance cost them my vote in the locals
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> I really like their candidate for Colchester - but a remainer party is not getting my vote.
I really don't get why people vote on national issues at a local level - > @Freggles said:
> > @eek said:
> > My European Election postal vote has arrived and been returned
> >
> > Given the complete stupidity of the constituencies and the electoral system used I've held my nose and voted Labour for the first time in decades
> >
> > The North East has 3 seats so the result is either 2 Brexit, 1 labour or 2 labour, 1 Brexit so I'm voting to avoid the former option.
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> IMO there are two ways to vote in this election.
> Either you vote for who will make the best MEPs, in which case it makes sense to vote tactically, or you vote as a signal, with the aim of your side getting the best national vote share.
> I basically agree with the Labour line on Brexit, but I can't vote for a party under investigation for racism. So it's vote Tory, spoil ballot, or vote for a Remainy party
In which case the vote is wasted as unless a party gets 16-20% of the vote in the North East they are not going to win a seat (remember I stated that the electoral system being used is stupid)...
Were I in London with 10 seats (and where parties winning 8% or so of the vote get a seat) then yes I would vote for a remainy party. Up north it's a wasted vote....
As I've already posted the 2 possible outcomes are pre-determined here. All you can do is either protest or select which side you wish to be on. I could never vote for Farage so Labour (even with all the problems it has) is the only option.
> Yes I was but CUK have fallen off my radar. It was at the time the ERG went over the top and wanted (and still want) an economic armageddon. I believe TM achieved a good deal and I still support it but TM has lost her authority and the party needs a new leader though elected properly. I would not spoil my ballot paper, it is something beyond me why people do
Actually I probably wouldn't spoil a ballot either, I just wouldn't vote.
I actually think abstaining can be a sensible thing to do. Being loyal to a party as it drifts away from you is like being loyal to a company as they raise their prices or lower the quality of their product. All it does is encourage them not to take you into account. "Eh, don't worry about the moderates, they'll turn up and put their X in our box. It's the extremists who might go on strike, we have to make sure they're happy."
Your vote is the only tiny sliver of power you have in the democratic system. "Loyalty" just means surrendering that power and getting nothing in return.
An exception to prove the rule could be Corbyn/McDonnell for the Tories (and also for the BP btw).
As for the views of Brexit supporters, they are by no means a unified opinion, but glorifying militarism (WW2 obsession), obsessing about plots (numerous examples of paranoia about remainers, EU etc.) , admire action for its own sake (Brexit is exactly this), then these criteria seem to be pretty common place amongst those that are its most extreme/ardent advocates. As for the Enlightenment, I fear our limited education system means that most voters, let alone Brexit supporters, have never heard of it, and if they have, probably regard it as a foreign construct.
A vote for Farage is a vote for fascist values.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/10/brexiteers-indiscipline-could-blow-shot-conservative-leadership/
> Weren't you CUK-curious at one point?
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> Please, it’s before the watershed.
For the avoidance of doubt, I have kept using that shortening partially because I think it's funny that they gave themselves such an embarrassing acronym, but I didn't really think about how in the context of my comment that could come across as making fun of Big_G rather than Change UK. That wasn't my intention.
> > @RightChuck said:
> > "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
>
> You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
Brexiters don't know; that is why they are frit of a further referendum. If they were confident they would be calling for it.
Bums to Brexit
Butt out, Brexit!
Brexit's a bitch
Brexit: gone for a burton?
Bullocks to Brexit
Brexit: bizarre buzzword?
Barbarous balderdash bombshell Brexi....I think you get the idea with that.