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Given the precarious a position TMay is in at the moment we have to assume that we are fairly close to a CON leadership contest when the membership will choose not just a new party leader but of course the next PM. Last week Rory Stewart announced that he would contest the leadership once a vacancy occurs and today another prominent figure, Esther McVey, has declared that she too will be amongst the contenders.
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Runners and riders in Peterborough might be up soon.
https://twitter.com/Hannahjourno/status/1126502498464718848
Nobody in the Parliamentary Conservative Party wants to put Philip Davies in Number 10.
He’s such a media tart and seems to enjoy winding up people.
So that’s why she’ll lose.
Is for the same reason I think Gove won’t win, loudmouth spouses are hindrances.
> McVey is far too normal. The members want someone ideological and pure. A gold plated headbanger.
She's definitely on the brexity side of brexit.
> RoI fights against the hard border by introducing passport checks
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> https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-was-caught-completely-unaware-man-travelling-on-bus-from-belfast-to-dublin-says-he-was-asked-for-his-passport-on-the-border-38094805.html
If I recall correctly, the rules of the Common Travel Area allow for authorities to ask for your passport if they suspect you are not a British or Irish (or Jersey, etc) citizen.
But I must admit, I'm pretty surprised they'd ask on the bus.
> > @Alanbrooke said:
> > RoI fights against the hard border by introducing passport checks
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> >
> > https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-was-caught-completely-unaware-man-travelling-on-bus-from-belfast-to-dublin-says-he-was-asked-for-his-passport-on-the-border-38094805.html
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> If I recall correctly, the rules of the Common Travel Area allow for authorities to ask for your passport if they suspect you are not a British or Irish (or Jersey, etc) citizen.
>
> But I must admit, I'm pretty surprised they'd ask on the bus.
Although the story is even more curious: it was an Irishman who was asked, it was the police asking for passports (not immigration officials), it wasn't actually at the border, and I haven't heard any corroboration.
So, I'm going to call "not yet" on the Irish government imposing passport checks at the border.
> > @rcs1000 said:
> > > @Alanbrooke said:
> > > RoI fights against the hard border by introducing passport checks
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/i-was-caught-completely-unaware-man-travelling-on-bus-from-belfast-to-dublin-says-he-was-asked-for-his-passport-on-the-border-38094805.html
> >
> > If I recall correctly, the rules of the Common Travel Area allow for authorities to ask for your passport if they suspect you are not a British or Irish (or Jersey, etc) citizen.
> >
> > But I must admit, I'm pretty surprised they'd ask on the bus.
>
> Although the story is even more curious: it was an Irishman who was asked, it was the police asking for passports (not immigration officials), it wasn't actually at the border, and I haven't heard any corroboration.
>
> So, I'm going to call "not yet" on the Irish government imposing passport checks at the border.
the legal situation is they carry them out for people not born in the UK and Ireland . There was a case a few years back of a Chinese student who was threathened with deportation as she had gone on a shopping trip to Belfast and he visa terms said she was to stay in the Republic.
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
Lab -6%, Brexit +9%, Con -4%, Lib Dem +2%, Change -1%, Greens unchanged, UKIP -2%.
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
A result like that would be a further setback for the leaver cause.
And have the added advantage of taking a lot of wind out of Farage's sails.
Con 14%
Lab 26%
BRX 28%
LD 11%
CHUK 8%
UKIP 2%
SNP/PC 4%
Green 6%
Other 1%
https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
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> 1.16 to lay 🤔
Brexit party deserve favoritism but they're too short at 1.16 I think.
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
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> That’s not the actual poll, that’s an MRP model using poll data (WHY?). The actual poll;
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> Poll
> Con 14%
> Lab 26%
> BRX 28%
> LD 11%
> CHUK 8%
> UKIP 2%
> SNP/PC 4%
> Green 6%
> Other 1%
>
> https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
What's the difference between the two?
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
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> >
> >
> > That’s not the actual poll, that’s an MRP model using poll data (WHY?). The actual poll;
> >
> > Poll
> > Con 14%
> > Lab 26%
> > BRX 28%
> > LD 11%
> > CHUK 8%
> > UKIP 2%
> > SNP/PC 4%
> > Green 6%
> > Other 1%
> >
> > https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
>
> What's the difference between the two?
Not much.
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
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> That’s not the actual poll, that’s an MRP model using poll data (WHY?). The actual poll;
>
>
> Con 14%
> Lab 26%
> BRX 28%
> LD 11%
> CHUK 8%
> UKIP 2%
> SNP/PC 4%
> Green 6%
> Other 1%
>
> https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
MRP - why not? From a polling POV, I don't see how it isn't just another of the filtering and weighting techniques that all polls employ, and secondly , it had a pretty decent record at GE17 in the hands of YouGov.
AIUI, it does take some processing to do, but even so I'm surprised not to have seen it a little more.
Or am I missing something.
> My postal ballot for the European elections arrived today. However so far I have only had election leaflets from the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party. What has happened to the others? On a related matter the Brexit leaflet has identified photographs of 8 candidates, including Farage - but none of them are standing in my region. Is this legal and what are the electoral expenses consequences?
I have had no literature to date.
The polling methodology that allowed YouGov to predict a hung parliament in 2017.
Edit - Linky here. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/05/31/how-yougov-model-2017-general-election-works
maybe Cameron can give him some advice
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/le-conseil-constitutionnel-valide-le-projet-de-referendum-contre-la-privatisation-d-adp-20190509
> France heading for a referendum on Macrons plan to privatise Aeroports de Paris
>
Tell Sid.
> I'd be surprised if that poll proved accurate. Be good for Labour, though.
Indeed. It is a sign of how far down the rabbit hole we have gone the past couple of months however, that you and I can see Labour on 27% as "good".
> > @Alanbrooke said:
> > France heading for a referendum on Macrons plan to privatise Aeroports de Paris
> >
>
> Tell Sid.
I suspect Sid currently works at Orly and wears a yellow vest at weekends
> Asking for a friend... what is MRP?
Multilevel Regression and Post-stratification
Read here:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/05/31/how-yougov-model-2017-general-election-works
It is basically how YouGov flagged Kensington & Chelsea and Canterbury as probable Labour gains at GE17, something for which they were substantially ridiculed on here and elsewhere.
I think you ask everyone whether they eat broccoli, crunch numbers to check you have enough broccoli eaters on the poll and adjust, or map to the broccoli eating habits of different constituencies, accordingly.
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> A result like that would be a further setback for the leaver cause.
Why? Brexit plus tory plus UKIP =43% so only need 7 of Labour's 27% to get to a majority.
Can LD get the message out to those fed up with brexit that brexit negotiations are set to continue a long time unless large number vote lib dems? I am hoping and expecting them to at least beat tories.
> > @slade said:
> > My postal ballot for the European elections arrived today. However so far I have only had election leaflets from the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party. What has happened to the others? On a related matter the Brexit leaflet has identified photographs of 8 candidates, including Farage - but none of them are standing in my region. Is this legal and what are the electoral expenses consequences?
>
> I have had no literature to date.
postal vote - I hope it's nothing serious 😉
> https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
14%? What the Tories would give for 14% in the Euros right now. Mere humiliation as opposed to outright contempt.
> > @brokenwheel said:
> > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
> >
> >
> >
> > That’s not the actual poll, that’s an MRP model using poll data (WHY?). The actual poll;
> >
> >
> > Con 14%
> > Lab 26%
> > BRX 28%
> > LD 11%
> > CHUK 8%
> > UKIP 2%
> > SNP/PC 4%
> > Green 6%
> > Other 1%
> >
> > https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
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> MRP - why not? From a polling POV, I don't see how it isn't just another of the filtering and weighting techniques that all polls employ, and secondly , it had a pretty decent record at GE17 in the hands of YouGov.
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> AIUI, it does take some processing to do, but even so I'm surprised not to have seen it a little more.
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> Or am I missing something.
If there was a REMAIN Candidate it would be
Labour: 27%
Brexit Party: 26%
Remain 25%
<b> On the slide</b>
> > @Pro_Rata said:
> > > @brokenwheel said:
> > > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That’s not the actual poll, that’s an MRP model using poll data (WHY?). The actual poll;
> > >
> > >
> > > Con 14%
> > > Lab 26%
> > > BRX 28%
> > > LD 11%
> > > CHUK 8%
> > > UKIP 2%
> > > SNP/PC 4%
> > > Green 6%
> > > Other 1%
> > >
> > > https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
> >
> > MRP - why not? From a polling POV, I don't see how it isn't just another of the filtering and weighting techniques that all polls employ, and secondly , it had a pretty decent record at GE17 in the hands of YouGov.
> >
> > AIUI, it does take some processing to do, but even so I'm surprised not to have seen it a little more.
> >
> > Or am I missing something.
>
> If there was a REMAIN Candidate it would be
>
> Labour: 27%
> Brexit Party: 26%
> Remain 25%
You cannot assume that all Green voters would vote for a Remain candidate.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
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> 14%? What the Tories would give for 14% in the Euros right now. Mere humiliation as opposed to outright contempt.
Honestly I think position is more relevant for them now than percentage - if they can hold on to third that's a good result (comparitively) when by some polls they are not far off from 6th if a few percent move against them further!
> McVey cracked and backed May's deal last time. Priti is still in the ideologically pure camp and should be a more appealing option for the ERG ultras.
Yes, as much as the Tory base hate the deal I find it hard to accept those who cracked, up to and including Boris, would be as popular as some thing, as compared to the pure. Boris at least might have sufficient momentum, and be up against a bland nothing like Hunt or Javid, but in terms of narrowing down the hard leaver options others might struggle if they backed the deal.
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> If there was a REMAIN Candidate it would be
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> Labour: 27%
> Brexit Party: 26%
> Remain 25%
The England only version of those numbers would be interesting. I suspect Labour would be behind Remain and Brexit.
> > @Pro_Rata said:
> > > @brokenwheel said:
> > > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That’s not the actual poll, that’s an MRP model using poll data (WHY?). The actual poll;
> > >
> > >
> > > Con 14%
> > > Lab 26%
> > > BRX 28%
> > > LD 11%
> > > CHUK 8%
> > > UKIP 2%
> > > SNP/PC 4%
> > > Green 6%
> > > Other 1%
> > >
> > > https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/centrum-campaign-electoral-calculus-european-parliamentary-elections-poll-may-2019/
> >
> > MRP - why not? From a polling POV, I don't see how it isn't just another of the filtering and weighting techniques that all polls employ, and secondly , it had a pretty decent record at GE17 in the hands of YouGov.
> >
> > AIUI, it does take some processing to do, but even so I'm surprised not to have seen it a little more.
> >
> > Or am I missing something.
>
> If there was a REMAIN Candidate it would be
>
> Labour: 27%
> Brexit Party: 26%
> Remain 25%
Con 14
Lab 26
Brexit group 30
Remain 29
Other 1 ?
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @williamglenn said:
> > > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1126506536384098305
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> > 14%? What the Tories would give for 14% in the Euros right now. Mere humiliation as opposed to outright contempt.
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> Honestly I think position is more relevant for them now than percentage - if they can hold on to third that's a good result (comparitively) when by some polls they are not far off from 6th if a few percent move against them further!
Its going to be the lowest share of the vote for the Tories since universal suffrage. But I agree, coming 3rd would be a relative triumph.
> I think you ask everyone whether they eat broccoli, crunch numbers to check you have enough broccoli eaters on the poll and adjust, or map to the broccoli eating habits of different constituencies, accordingly.
How do they deal with shy pineapple pizza eaters?
> Its going to be the lowest share of the vote for the Tories since universal suffrage. But I agree, coming 3rd would be a relative triumph.
>
> A well-deserved punishment for failing to deliver.
Yep.
> Its going to be the lowest share of the vote for the Tories since universal suffrage. But I agree, coming 3rd would be a relative triumph.
>
> A well-deserved punishment for failing to deliver.
Although amusingly such a result will probably strengthen those who refused to deliver it!
> > @williamglenn said:
> > > @Alanbrooke said:
> > > France heading for a referendum on Macrons plan to privatise Aeroports de Paris
> > >
> >
> > Tell Sid.
>
> I suspect Sid currently works at Orly and wears a yellow vest at weekends
He'll be Monsieur Sid Bertillon, who followed his Grandpa Jean and Dad Philippe into a job there. His uncle Alain is a policeman in the CRS and his aunt Marie-Claude is a teacher and local councillor for the Rassemblement National.
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/only-a-vote-for-the-brexit-party-can-save-the-tories/
> https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1126519281808752640
If he's looking to wind May up that is a good effort.
> > @RobD said:
> > Its going to be the lowest share of the vote for the Tories since universal suffrage. But I agree, coming 3rd would be a relative triumph.
> >
> > A well-deserved punishment for failing to deliver.
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> Although amusingly such a result will probably strengthen those who refused to deliver it!
Rationality was one of the first casualties of the war.
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @RobD said:
> > > Its going to be the lowest share of the vote for the Tories since universal suffrage. But I agree, coming 3rd would be a relative triumph.
> > >
> > > A well-deserved punishment for failing to deliver.
> >
> > Although amusingly such a result will probably strengthen those who refused to deliver it!
>
> Rationality was one of the first casualties of the war.
Actually I think that was civility.
> See the notepad under Osborne's elbow – I wonder why.
He's a journalist these days. Maybe he wanted a quote or 2 he could use. Or he wants a new fireplace. Could be that, I suppose.
We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
> > @Pro_Rata said:
> > I think you ask everyone whether they eat broccoli, crunch numbers to check you have enough broccoli eaters on the poll and adjust, or map to the broccoli eating habits of different constituencies, accordingly.
>
> How do they deal with shy pineapple pizza eaters?
I think they round them up, then divide by eight.
Just how moderate and centrist this multi party movement of voters is, is clearly shown by the mass abandonment of UKIP once it turned into a ridiculous bunch of extremists.
Moderate Brexit supporters don't take to platforms much, but they do turn out to vote. It's a great tradition in democracy.
> https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1126519281808752640
The difference is that Osborne was a grown up until he was sacked and became childish while Williamson never grew up
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @kle4 said:
> > > > @RobD said:
> > > > Its going to be the lowest share of the vote for the Tories since universal suffrage. But I agree, coming 3rd would be a relative triumph.
> > > >
> > > > A well-deserved punishment for failing to deliver.
> > >
> > > Although amusingly such a result will probably strengthen those who refused to deliver it!
> >
> > Rationality was one of the first casualties of the war.
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> Actually I think that was civility.
Civility has had the full Ramsey Bolton treatment. And then some.
> Received our postal ballots today along with conservative and plaid leaflets.
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> We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
>
> My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
My better half is voting for the Brexit Party. I find the idea of voting for Farage seriously difficult. I think I will abstain.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > Received our postal ballots today along with conservative and plaid leaflets.
> >
> > We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
> >
> > My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
>
> My better half is voting for the Brexit Party. I find the idea of voting for Farage seriously difficult. I think I will abstain.
I will not vote for anthing that involves Farage and as TM has achieved a brexit deal I decided to stay loyal. The party needs loyalty right now
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1126519281808752640
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> The difference is that Osborne was a grown up until he was sacked and became childish while Williamson never grew up
So Williamson is a Lost Boy and Osborne was one?
https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162?s=21
> Joke party
>
> https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162
Going for a tactical remain vote no doubt - I expect they will support the lib dems
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > Received our postal ballots today along with conservative and plaid leaflets.
> > >
> > > We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
> > >
> > > My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
> >
> > My better half is voting for the Brexit Party. I find the idea of voting for Farage seriously difficult. I think I will abstain.
>
> I will not vote for anthing that involves Farage and as TM has achieved a brexit deal I decided to stay loyal. The party needs loyalty right now
The party needs a lot of things Big_G. Whether one of them is loyalty to TM is debatable.
> Joke party
>
> https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162
That really is pathetic. I wonder if those who signed up fully appreciated that they were time limiting their political careers to the end of this Parliament.
They could not even find an old retread to stand for them, oh dear.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > > Received our postal ballots today along with conservative and plaid leaflets.
> > > >
> > > > We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
> > > >
> > > > My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
> > >
> > > My better half is voting for the Brexit Party. I find the idea of voting for Farage seriously difficult. I think I will abstain.
> >
> > I will not vote for anthing that involves Farage and as TM has achieved a brexit deal I decided to stay loyal. The party needs loyalty right now
>
> The party needs a lot of things Big_G. Whether one of them is loyalty to TM is debatable.
I think she needs to stand down now in an orderly manner but my vote is for my party that needs to come through this as soon as possible
> > @TGOHF said:
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> > Joke party
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> > https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162
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> That really is pathetic. I wonder if those who signed up fully appreciated that they were time limiting their political careers to the end of this Parliament.
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> Perhaps it means they've done a deal with the LibDems and Greens.
Fantastic deal. We get to cease to exist and you get your moment in the sun. Yep, if I was a politician with a mortgage that's exactly what I would be thinking. Not.
> Sky reporting no CHUK-TIG candidate for Peterborough,
>
> They could not even find an old retread to stand for them, oh dear.
Yes but it helps to consolidate the anti Farage vote
Don't know what this means but the Lib Dems and Greens have local parties so had an alternative candidate ready, whilst ChUK obviously haven't at this stage.
> > @TGOHF said:
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> > Joke party
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> > https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162
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> Going for a tactical remain vote no doubt - I expect they will support the lib dems
>
> Why’d they form a new party then? Insane.
A formal merger must be coming sooner or later
> > @RobD said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
> >
> > > Joke party
> >
> > >
> >
> > > https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162
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> > Going for a tactical remain vote no doubt - I expect they will support the lib dems
> >
> > Why’d they form a new party then? Insane.
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> A formal merger must be coming sooner or later
> @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > @RobD said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
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> > > Joke party
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> > >
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> > > https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1126521821959004162
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> > Going for a tactical remain vote no doubt - I expect they will support the lib dems
> >
> > Why’d they form a new party then? Insane.
>
> A formal merger must be coming sooner or later
Why would you offer them the dignity of an amalgamation? Let them apply for membership if they want. That way you can be a bit more selective about who you actually want.
> > @ralphmalph said:
> > Sky reporting no CHUK-TIG candidate for Peterborough,
> >
> > They could not even find an old retread to stand for them, oh dear.
>
> Yes but it helps to consolidate the anti Farage vote
Yes, it would have been counter productive for a remain alliance to stand in Peterborough as it would have greatly increased the chances of the Brexit Party getting a real breakthrough. Hence why the remain candidate pulled out probably.
> > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
> > > @ralphmalph said:
> > > Sky reporting no CHUK-TIG candidate for Peterborough,
> > >
> > > They could not even find an old retread to stand for them, oh dear.
> >
> > Yes but it helps to consolidate the anti Farage vote
>
> Yes, it would have been counter productive for a remain alliance to stand in Peterborough as it would have greatly increased the chances of the Brexit Party getting a real breakthrough. Hence why the remain candidate pulled out probably.
A number of other candidates are standing on a specific remain banner though, including one from UKEUP and one from Common Good
The way I see it, the fewer the votes Mrs May gets in the Euros is more succor for the bellends like Francois and Baker.
So I have to vote Tory.
MRP takes the responses to a poll, notes the characteristics of the people who responded (age, sex, location, etc), then from that it builds a model of the voting intention for many categories of people (so sixtysomething males in the Easy of England are 40% probable to vote Brexit, twentysomething women in London are 30% probable to vote LD, and so on). Since the number of people of each type is known for each constituency, you can apply the probabilities to those numbers and come up with an estimate of the vote.
Since panel polls have large numbers of responses and statistical theory breaks down for self-selecting non-representative nonrandom panel responses, this modelling approach may be better than a conventional panel
The unacknowledged problem is that it might not actually be better, or if it is then not consistently better. We haven't had much experience with them (for political purposes at least!) and the assumption that they are better is simply that, an assumption. I also point out that correct turnout assumptions will be vital for a good prediction, but God alone knows for certs what, say, the Brexit party turnout will be. So I'm worried...
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> I’m in a bit of a dilemma. The top 2 Tories in the SE are Dan Hannan (whom I can’t abide) and Nirj Diva (whom I can’t take seriously). I will never vote for another party so the choices are not bothering at all, spoiling the ballot, or tightly holding the nose and put the X in the usual place.
The usual place for the Conservatives (based on 2014) is third on the list, so you can put your X in the usual place and register a vote for the Greens with a clear conscience.
> Received our postal ballots today along with conservative and plaid leaflets.
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>
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> We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
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> My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
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> I’m in a bit of a dilemma. The top 2 Tories in the SE are Dan Hannan (whom I can’t abide) and Nirj Diva (whom I can’t take seriously). I will never vote for another party so the choices are not bothering at all, spoiling the ballot, or tightly holding the nose and put the X in the usual place.
Maybe holding nose and x in right place is best response. TM time is very limited
They should just pull out of the Euros too. A one-trick pony without the trick.
> Received our postal ballots today along with conservative and plaid leaflets.
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> We will not vote for Farage so our choice is the conservatives or lib dems. The conservative leaflet was quite good and much as I would like to vote lib dem I have decided to stay loyal to my party and vote conservative.
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> My good lady says it will either be a conservative vote or she will abstain
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> I’m in a bit of a dilemma. The top 2 Tories in the SE are Dan Hannan (whom I can’t abide) and Nirj Diva (whom I can’t take seriously). I will never vote for another party so the choices are not bothering at all, spoiling the ballot, or tightly holding the nose and put the X in the usual place.
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> I feel your pain.
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> The way I see it, the fewer the votes Mrs May gets in the Euros is more succor for the bellends like Francois and Baker.
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> So I have to vote Tory.
But the more votes the Tories get the more May will think she can hang on just that bit longer. It really has to stop.