> @DoubleCarpet said: > Patrick O'Flynn sporting an SDP rosette!!
He'd have stood some chance of a decent result in the Peterborough by-election if the Brexit Party hadn't just killed it instantly by deciding to stand.
Labour are not doing well in my own local authority, Wakefield (which has a massive Lab majority, so isn't at risk on that level), both on the results already declared and on comments from the count. They've already missed one target seat and there are increases - in line with the rest of the country - for minor parties and independents.
Also, it's suggested on the Vote UK forum that previously ultra-safe Castleford ward has been lost to UKIP and that one of the Pontefract wards has only just been held against a Yorkshire Party candidate.
> @nunuone said: > > @KentRising said: > > > @rottenborough said: > > > What the hell is happening in Barnsley? > > > > Was there "a scandal" there too? > > And The Wirral it seems......
Don't forget Hartlepool and Walsall too. Lot of local scandals unattributable to the Labour Party as a whole. I reckon
> @justin124 said: > > @MikeL said: > > > @AndreaParma_82 said: > > > > > Peterborough > > > > > > > > > > Con 28 (-4) > > > > > Lab 17 (+3) > > > > > Lib Dem 9 (+2) > > > > > Ind 4 (-1) > > > > > Green 2 (+1) > > > > > UKIP 0 (-1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It'll be interesting to see the popular vote. > > > > How similar are the local boundaries to the parliamentary constituency? > > I believe the Local Authority extends quite a bit beyond the parliamentary seat. For what it's worth, that looks quite a good result for Labour there.
A large amount of the North West Cambridgeshire constituency is in Peterborough council area.
I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either.
For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
> @david_herdson said: > > @Danny565 said: > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025 > > I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either. > > For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > > @david_herdson said: > > > @Danny565 said: > > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025 > > > > I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either. > > > > For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire. > > And less pressure for limpet May to go....
I am glad I didn’t stay up for these; counting progress seems slow despite the claimed lower turnout.
My impressions from a quick survey of the results so far having got up briefly in the night are that they aren’t as bad for the Tories as feared, are worse for Labour, and look very good for the LibDems who have doubled their councillor total on the council’s declared.
If Labour is taking a hit for being on the fence I would have thought it would make a deal less likely, since coming off the fence in a Brexity direction won’t help them much.
The “where’s my Brexit?” protest looks like the lion that hasn’t roared, even where UKIP is standing, in the locals at least. Perhaps Farage has dented UKIP’s popularity leaving people with no pro-Brexit alternative than the Tories in most locations, while the anti-Brexit vote goes LibDem or Green?
> @IanB2 said: > I am glad I didn’t stay up for these; counting progress seems slow despite the claimed lower turnout. > > My impressions from a quick survey of the results so far having got up briefly in the night are that they aren’t as bad for the Tories as feared, are worse for Labour, and look very good for the LibDems who have doubled their councillor total on the council’s declared. > > If Labour is taking a hit for being on the fence I would have thought it would make a deal less likely, since coming off the fence in a Brexity direction won’t help them much. > > The “where’s my Brexit?” protest looks like the lion that hasn’t roared, even where UKIP is standing, in the locals at least. Perhaps Farage has dented UKIP’s popularity leaving people with no pro-Brexit alternative than the Tories in most locations, while the anti-Brexit vote goes LibDem or Green?
Plenty of Leavers voting Green, I reckon. Protest vote.
Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet with big YouTube channels.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet.
I think I read somewhere that they have 1,000 candidates standing this time (out of 9,000 races).
> @AndyJS said: > This was the Rallings/Thrasher prediction from a few days ago: > > "CON: -550 (5525 to 4975) > LAB: +150 (2275 to 2425) > LD: +400 (650 to 1050) > UKIP: -100 (175 to 75)"
Labour looks negative, so a lot worse than forecast. Credit to the PB’er who floated this possibility earlier.
The LibDem gain rate is above the forcecast and the Tory one not quite as bad.
Turnout isn’t down by that much, despite the tsunami of dodgy anecdota on PB earlier, which I suspected and said was mostly fluff.
Of course the early declarers are the more urban council areas, and most of the rurals where the Tories might be less pleased (?) are counting tomorrow.
Jess Phillips is saying that Labour’s fudge (my word) has failed, and that they need to be bolder. Not clear in which direction!
02.16 Curtice says Labour’s support is down five points in the North, on average, but up three points in the South. Somehow, holders of every single position in the party on Brexit will use this to justify their stance.
Why are Sky bigging up Stoke on Trent as a key indicator of Labour resurgence?
It has been Labour forever (even after Brexit, they easily returned a Labour MP) and yes the council is technically NoC, but it is mostly former Labour councillors who just changed to "City Independent" of the past few years.
It isn't like it is traditional Tory council and Jezza might sweep them away.
> @KentRising said: > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet. > > I think I read somewhere that they have 1,000 candidates standing this time (out of 9,000 races).
That sounds about right. Enough to get a good feel for any surge, or lack of it.
UKIP looks busted from the early results. Is this by Farage, or because the pro-Brexit backlash has been wildly overstated?
> @IanB2 said: > > @KentRising said: > > > @FrancisUrquhart said: > > > Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet. > > > > I think I read somewhere that they have 1,000 candidates standing this time (out of 9,000 races). > > That sounds about right. Enough to get a good feel for any surge, or lack of it. > > UKIP looks busted from the early results. Is this by Farage, or because the pro-Brexit backlash has been wildly overstated?
Well we don't have many weeks to wait to find out... ;-)
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > > @david_herdson said: > > > @Danny565 said: > > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025 > > > > I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either. > > > > For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire. > > And less pressure for limpet May to go....
That was my feeling too. With Labour disappointed, seeing its anti-Brexit vote go LD or Green, this surely strengthens the hand of the PV lobby, whereas the Tories will be reassured, for the moment at least - their losses can be put down to government performance and behaviour without implying that much about Brexit, and so even less likely to concede a PV unless they scare at seeing the return of the LibDem threat. The West Country Council results tomorrow will be interesting.
Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet with big YouTube channels.
> @RobD said: > > @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > > BBC say Lab -50, Con -70 seats > > > SKY say Lab -30, Con -20 seats > > > > This is down to Sky taking the PA projections which excludes all areas where there have been ward boundary changes. The BBC looks at the totality. > > Apologies for the lack of the PB tally this year. Maybe in 2020!
> @NeilVW said: > Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet with big YouTube channels. > > Contesting 1 in 6 council seats this year
Labour are not doing well in my own local authority, Wakefield (which has a massive Lab majority, so isn't at risk on that level), both on the results already declared and on comments from the count. They've already missed one target seat and there are increases - in line with the rest of the country - for minor parties and independents.
Also, it's suggested on the Vote UK forum that previously ultra-safe Castleford ward has been lost to UKIP and that one of the Pontefract wards has only just been held against a Yorkshire Party candidate.
Wakefield's Labour MP, Mary Creagh who is an ultra-remainer and believes the cost of clothes is too cheap. A perfect fit for that constituency if you pardon the pun.
> @DoubleD said: > Tories will be delighted to date. If they had a proper Tory leader, they would be doing even better. Step forward the blonde bombshell!
Many in his party think the northern and Scottish voters Theresa is seemingly able to reach will not react positively to BoJo
Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down.
In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Eppjng but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too.
Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down.
In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Eppjng but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too.
Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
The de-platforming continues. I find this rather worrying precedent, as they decide who is "dangerous".
Paul Joseph Watson isn't my cup of tea, but is he "dangerous" ?
Louis Farrakhan has been banned for being an anti-semite....Jezza better make sure he doesn't write anymore forwards for dodgy books or likes pictures of murals.
> @FrancisUrquhart said: > > @IanB2 said: > > The Tandridge result is maybe a sign of less good news for the Tories in the sleepier rural areas that count tomorrow? > > St Albans they have taken a pounding as well. Remain areas in the commuter belt of London.
Tandridge was 68% leave - so if this is now seen as a Remain area the leave vote in the south really has collapsed.
> @MikeL said: > Con has lost 1 in 5 of councillors declared so far - so might they still lose 1,000?
In the results so far, the Tories are being flattered by a falling Labour vote especially in the North. The question is where the discontented Tories will go in areas where Labour isn’t in contention?
Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down.
In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Eppjng but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too.
Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
> @old_labour said: > Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down. > > > > In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Eppjng but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too. > > > > Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect > > Commiserations. Better luck next time.
Thanks, not much you can do when it was that close
> Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down.
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> Commiserations. Better luck next time.
Thanks, not much you can do when it was that close
The Liberal Democrat lost by 2 votes to the SNP in the North East Fife seat at the 2017 General Election.
> @RobD said: > Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down. > > > > In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Epping but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too. > > > > Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect > > Argh, so close!
02.55 Curtice is making a distinction between two analyses of Labour’s performance: one that says voters don’t want Labour to ‘look both ways’ on Brexit; the other that says voters want ‘a plague on both your houses’. He says the latter is more accurate because the drop in support is across the North rather than in Leave areas, suggesting an anti-politics not pro-Brexit sentiment.
> @TheJezziah said: > Rochdale > > > > Lab 17 wards won (+2) > > Con 2 (-2) > > LD 1 > > Good work by @RochdalePioneers > > Also bad luck @HYUFD that must be gutting! > > Must have done well to get it that close though.
Thanks, yes not much more you can do there.
Anyway, night all and will check the rurals coming in tomorrow
> @CarlottaVance said: > Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect > > Commiserations - better luck next time!
> @CarlottaVance said: > LabourList: > > 02.55 Curtice is making a distinction between two analyses of Labour’s performance: one that says voters don’t want Labour to ‘look both ways’ on Brexit; the other that says voters want ‘a plague on both your houses’. He says the latter is more accurate because the drop in support is across the North rather than in Leave areas, suggesting an anti-politics not pro-Brexit sentiment.
Isnt anti-politics being driven by behaviour of mps over brexit though?
Thrasher saying vote share of tory and labour down, gone to lib dem. "Others" vote share is flat, churning between things like ukip going to local independent candidates.
That explains why migrants are desperate to move from France to the UK, despite the fact that France is nominally a more prosperous country than we are.
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> > @rottenborough said:
> > What the hell is happening in Barnsley?
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> Was there "a scandal" there too?
And The Wirral it seems......
> Patrick O'Flynn sporting an SDP rosette!!
He'd have stood some chance of a decent result in the Peterborough by-election if the Brexit Party hadn't just killed it instantly by deciding to stand.
Also, it's suggested on the Vote UK forum that previously ultra-safe Castleford ward has been lost to UKIP and that one of the Pontefract wards has only just been held against a Yorkshire Party candidate.
> > @KentRising said:
> > > @rottenborough said:
> > > What the hell is happening in Barnsley?
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> And The Wirral it seems......
Don't forget Hartlepool and Walsall too. Lot of local scandals unattributable to the Labour Party as a whole. I reckon
Con 28 (-4)
Lab 17 (+3)
Lib Dem 9 (+2)
Ind 4 (-1)
Green 2 (+1)
UKIP 0 (-1)
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> Lab 17 (+3)
> Lib Dem 9 (+2)
> Ind 4 (-1)
> Green 2 (+1)
> UKIP 0 (-1)
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It'll be interesting to see the popular vote.
Looking forward to major analysis tomorrow early am.
> What the hell is happening in Barnsley?
They voted for Brexit and they're not happy with the way things are going. Just a guess.
> Ma Beckett says lab lost ground In derby
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> Yes, well, she was one of the handful of idiots who put Jezza on the ballot.
She was more than that: she was the one that put him over the threshold within a hour of the deadline for nominations, wasn't she?
> I need sleep. Night all.
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> Looking forward to major analysis tomorrow early am.
See you tomorrow.
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I believe the Local Authority extends quite a bit beyond the parliamentary seat. For what it's worth, that looks quite a good result for Labour there.
A real night for independents and small parties.
Don't know if he's right.
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> I believe the Local Authority extends quite a bit beyond the parliamentary seat. For what it's worth, that looks quite a good result for Labour there.
A large amount of the North West Cambridgeshire constituency is in Peterborough council area.
SKY say Lab -30, Con -20 seats
> Tories lose Tandridge, gain Walsall. Welcome to the new politics.
NE Lincolnshire is a Conservative gain with at least a +4 gain.
> BBC say Lab -50, Con -70 seats
> SKY say Lab -30, Con -20 seats
This is down to Sky taking the PA projections which excludes all areas where there have been ward boundary changes. The BBC looks at the totality.
> https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025
I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either.
For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
> > @Danny565 said:
> > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025
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> I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either.
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> For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
And less pressure for limpet May to go....
> > @david_herdson said:
> > > @Danny565 said:
> > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025
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> > I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either.
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> > For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
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> And less pressure for limpet May to go....
Until later this month.
> Lab lose middlesborough mayor to indy
Hammering for Labour north of the Humber.
My impressions from a quick survey of the results so far having got up briefly in the night are that they aren’t as bad for the Tories as feared, are worse for Labour, and look very good for the LibDems who have doubled their councillor total on the council’s declared.
If Labour is taking a hit for being on the fence I would have thought it would make a deal less likely, since coming off the fence in a Brexity direction won’t help them much.
The “where’s my Brexit?” protest looks like the lion that hasn’t roared, even where UKIP is standing, in the locals at least. Perhaps Farage has dented UKIP’s popularity leaving people with no pro-Brexit alternative than the Tories in most locations, while the anti-Brexit vote goes LibDem or Green?
"CON: -550 (5525 to 4975)
LAB: +150 (2275 to 2425)
LD: +400 (650 to 1050)
UKIP: -100 (175 to 75)"
final
Lab 9 wards (-1 compared to 2015 and -2 compared 2018)
Con 5 (-1 compared to 2015, same as 2018)
LD 1 (+1 on both years)
Ind 1 (+1 on both years)
> I am glad I didn’t stay up for these; counting progress seems slow despite the claimed lower turnout.
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> My impressions from a quick survey of the results so far having got up briefly in the night are that they aren’t as bad for the Tories as feared, are worse for Labour, and look very good for the LibDems who have doubled their councillor total on the council’s declared.
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> If Labour is taking a hit for being on the fence I would have thought it would make a deal less likely, since coming off the fence in a Brexity direction won’t help them much.
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> The “where’s my Brexit?” protest looks like the lion that hasn’t roared, even where UKIP is standing, in the locals at least. Perhaps Farage has dented UKIP’s popularity leaving people with no pro-Brexit alternative than the Tories in most locations, while the anti-Brexit vote goes LibDem or Green?
Plenty of Leavers voting Green, I reckon. Protest vote.
2 Con gains from Lab and 1 Lab gain from Con
17 wards to Lab and 3 to Con
Turnout was 34.9%
> Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet.
I think I read somewhere that they have 1,000 candidates standing this time (out of 9,000 races).
> This was the Rallings/Thrasher prediction from a few days ago:
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> "CON: -550 (5525 to 4975)
> LAB: +150 (2275 to 2425)
> LD: +400 (650 to 1050)
> UKIP: -100 (175 to 75)"
Labour looks negative, so a lot worse than forecast. Credit to the PB’er who floated this possibility earlier.
The LibDem gain rate is above the forcecast and the Tory one not quite as bad.
Turnout isn’t down by that much, despite the tsunami of dodgy anecdota on PB earlier, which I suspected and said was mostly fluff.
Of course the early declarers are the more urban council areas, and most of the rurals where the Tories might be less pleased (?) are counting tomorrow.
Jess Phillips is saying that Labour’s fudge (my word) has failed, and that they need to be bolder. Not clear in which direction!
02.16 Curtice says Labour’s support is down five points in the North, on average, but up three points in the South. Somehow, holders of every single position in the party on Brexit will use this to justify their stance.
It has been Labour forever (even after Brexit, they easily returned a Labour MP) and yes the council is technically NoC, but it is mostly former Labour councillors who just changed to "City Independent" of the past few years.
It isn't like it is traditional Tory council and Jezza might sweep them away.
> > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet.
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> I think I read somewhere that they have 1,000 candidates standing this time (out of 9,000 races).
That sounds about right. Enough to get a good feel for any surge, or lack of it.
UKIP looks busted from the early results. Is this by Farage, or because the pro-Brexit backlash has been wildly overstated?
> > @KentRising said:
> > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
> > > Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet.
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> > I think I read somewhere that they have 1,000 candidates standing this time (out of 9,000 races).
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> That sounds about right. Enough to get a good feel for any surge, or lack of it.
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> UKIP looks busted from the early results. Is this by Farage, or because the pro-Brexit backlash has been wildly overstated?
Well we don't have many weeks to wait to find out... ;-)
Abbey ward - Ahmad Bostan (Labour HOLD)
Blackheath ward - Thabiso Mabena (Labour HOLD)
Bristnall ward - Saikha Kauser (Labour HOLD)
Charlemont with Grove Vale ward - Elizabeth Giles (Labour HOLD)
Cradley Heath and Old Hill ward - Ann Shackleton (Labour HOLD)
Friar Park ward - Karen Tracey Simms (Labour HOLD)
Great Barr with Yew Tree ward - Gurdesh Kaur Gill (Labour HOLD)
Great Bridge ward - Peter Allen (Labour HOLD)
Greets Green and Lyng ward - Jackie Taylor (Labour HOLD)
Hateley Heath ward - Kay Millar (Labour HOLD)
Langley ward - Yvonne Davies (Labour HOLD)
Newton ward - Richard McVittie (Labour HOLD)
Oldbury ward - Suzanne Hartwell (Labour HOLD)
Old Warley ward - Richard Jones (Labour HOLD)
Princes End ward - Stephen Jones (Labour HOLD)
Rowley ward - Shaheen Akhtar (Labour HOLD)
Smethwick ward - Manjit Singh Gill (Labour HOLD)
Soho and Victoria ward - Zahir Hussain (Labour HOLD)
St Paul's ward - Zahoor Ahmed (Labour HOLD)
Tipton Green ward - Syeda Khatun (Labour HOLD)
Tividale ward - Lorraine Ashman (Labout HOLD)
Wednesbury North ward - Elaine Costigan (Labour HOLD)
Wednesbury South ward - Olwen Jones (Labour HOLD)
West Bromwich Central ward - Bawa Dhallu (Labour HOLD)
> Sandwell has finished
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> Abbey ward - Ahmad Bostan (Labour HOLD)
> Blackheath ward - Thabiso Mabena (Labour HOLD)
> Bristnall ward - Saikha Kauser (Labour HOLD)
> Charlemont with Grove Vale ward - Elizabeth Giles (Labour HOLD)
> Cradley Heath and Old Hill ward - Ann Shackleton (Labour HOLD)
> Friar Park ward - Karen Tracey Simms (Labour HOLD)
> Great Barr with Yew Tree ward - Gurdesh Kaur Gill (Labour HOLD)
> Great Bridge ward - Peter Allen (Labour HOLD)
> Greets Green and Lyng ward - Jackie Taylor (Labour HOLD)
> Hateley Heath ward - Kay Millar (Labour HOLD)
> Langley ward - Yvonne Davies (Labour HOLD)
> Newton ward - Richard McVittie (Labour HOLD)
> Oldbury ward - Suzanne Hartwell (Labour HOLD)
> Old Warley ward - Richard Jones (Labour HOLD)
> Princes End ward - Stephen Jones (Labour HOLD)
> Rowley ward - Shaheen Akhtar (Labour HOLD)
> Smethwick ward - Manjit Singh Gill (Labour HOLD)
> Soho and Victoria ward - Zahir Hussain (Labour HOLD)
> St Paul's ward - Zahoor Ahmed (Labour HOLD)
> Tipton Green ward - Syeda Khatun (Labour HOLD)
> Tividale ward - Lorraine Ashman (Labout HOLD)
> Wednesbury North ward - Elaine Costigan (Labour HOLD)
> Wednesbury South ward - Olwen Jones (Labour HOLD)
> West Bromwich Central ward - Bawa Dhallu (Labour HOLD)
Exciting result ;-)
> > @david_herdson said:
> > > @Danny565 said:
> > > https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1124117599154049025
> >
> > I don't think that's true. The results for the Tories aren't all that bad, which will strengthen the views of all sides equally, giving little incentive to move, and little space to do so either.
> >
> > For Labour, while it's clear that the present policy (or non-policy) isn't working, it's also clear that coming down on one side of the fence or the other is just jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
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> And less pressure for limpet May to go....
That was my feeling too. With Labour disappointed, seeing its anti-Brexit vote go LD or Green, this surely strengthens the hand of the PV lobby, whereas the Tories will be reassured, for the moment at least - their losses can be put down to government performance and behaviour without implying that much about Brexit, and so even less likely to concede a PV unless they scare at seeing the return of the LibDem threat. The West Country Council results tomorrow will be interesting.
> Stockport Council is now 26 seats each for Lab and LD
Good to see Labour-facing LibDems recovering their seats; they took more than their share of punishment during the coalition.
> > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
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> > BBC say Lab -50, Con -70 seats
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> > SKY say Lab -30, Con -20 seats
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> This is down to Sky taking the PA projections which excludes all areas where there have been ward boundary changes. The BBC looks at the totality.
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> Apologies for the lack of the PB tally this year. Maybe in 2020!
Thanks for the spreadsheet in previous years.
> Are UKIP even fielding that candidates nationally these days? Since the Farage bandwagon has left, it seems like they consist entirely of a weirdo, who wants to support Tommy Robinson and 3 blokes off the t'internet with big YouTube channels.
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> Contesting 1 in 6 council seats this year
Its a lot more than I presumed.
> > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > Sandwell has finished
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> > Abbey ward - Ahmad Bostan (Labour HOLD)
> > Blackheath ward - Thabiso Mabena (Labour HOLD)
> > Bristnall ward - Saikha Kauser (Labour HOLD)
> > Charlemont with Grove Vale ward - Elizabeth Giles (Labour HOLD)
> > Cradley Heath and Old Hill ward - Ann Shackleton (Labour HOLD)
> > Friar Park ward - Karen Tracey Simms (Labour HOLD)
> > Great Barr with Yew Tree ward - Gurdesh Kaur Gill (Labour HOLD)
> > Great Bridge ward - Peter Allen (Labour HOLD)
> > Greets Green and Lyng ward - Jackie Taylor (Labour HOLD)
> > Hateley Heath ward - Kay Millar (Labour HOLD)
> > Langley ward - Yvonne Davies (Labour HOLD)
> > Newton ward - Richard McVittie (Labour HOLD)
> > Oldbury ward - Suzanne Hartwell (Labour HOLD)
> > Old Warley ward - Richard Jones (Labour HOLD)
> > Princes End ward - Stephen Jones (Labour HOLD)
> > Rowley ward - Shaheen Akhtar (Labour HOLD)
> > Smethwick ward - Manjit Singh Gill (Labour HOLD)
> > Soho and Victoria ward - Zahir Hussain (Labour HOLD)
> > St Paul's ward - Zahoor Ahmed (Labour HOLD)
> > Tipton Green ward - Syeda Khatun (Labour HOLD)
> > Tividale ward - Lorraine Ashman (Labout HOLD)
> > Wednesbury North ward - Elaine Costigan (Labour HOLD)
> > Wednesbury South ward - Olwen Jones (Labour HOLD)
> > West Bromwich Central ward - Bawa Dhallu (Labour HOLD)
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> Exciting result ;-)
Sandwell is always the most boring council in the country.
> The Tandridge result is maybe a sign of less good news for the Tories in the sleepier rural areas that count tomorrow?
St Albans they have taken a pounding as well. Remain areas in the commuter belt of London.
> Tories will be delighted to date. If they had a proper Tory leader, they would be doing even better. Step forward the blonde bombshell!
Many in his party think the northern and Scottish voters Theresa is seemingly able to reach will not react positively to BoJo
In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Eppjng but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too.
Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
Lab 17 wards won (+2)
Con 2 (-2)
LD 1
> The Tandridge result is maybe a sign of less good news for the Tories in the sleepier rural areas that count tomorrow?
In Remain and Remain-ish areas, yes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48142098
The de-platforming continues. I find this rather worrying precedent, as they decide who is "dangerous".
Paul Joseph Watson isn't my cup of tea, but is he "dangerous" ?
Louis Farrakhan has been banned for being an anti-semite....Jezza better make sure he doesn't write anymore forwards for dodgy books or likes pictures of murals.
> > @IanB2 said:
> > The Tandridge result is maybe a sign of less good news for the Tories in the sleepier rural areas that count tomorrow?
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> St Albans they have taken a pounding as well. Remain areas in the commuter belt of London.
Tandridge was 68% leave - so if this is now seen as a Remain area the leave vote in the south really has collapsed.
Lab 15 wards
LD 3
Con 1
Ind 1
2015 was Lab 16 LD 3 Con 1
2018 Lab 16 LD 2 Con 2
Also bad luck @HYUFD that must be gutting!
Must have done well to get it that close though.
> Con has lost 1 in 5 of councillors declared so far - so might they still lose 1,000?
In the results so far, the Tories are being flattered by a falling Labour vote especially in the North. The question is where the discontented Tories will go in areas where Labour isn’t in contention?
> Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down.
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> In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Eppjng but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too.
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> Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
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> Commiserations. Better luck next time.
Thanks, not much you can do when it was that close
He says a "constant fudge" on Brexit is not "good leadership", & if no Customs Union possible the party must back another referendum
> Looks like LDs, Independents and Greens biggest gainers so far, Tories, Labour and UKIP all down.
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> In Epping Forest the Tories lost 3 seats, 1 to the Greens and Britain First in Waltham Abbey and 1 to the LDs in Epping but held some key seats in Epping and Buckhurst Hill too.
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> Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
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> Argh, so close!
Thanks RobD
1 LD gain from Greens
LD and Lab hold everything
02.55 Curtice is making a distinction between two analyses of Labour’s performance: one that says voters don’t want Labour to ‘look both ways’ on Brexit; the other that says voters want ‘a plague on both your houses’. He says the latter is more accurate because the drop in support is across the North rather than in Leave areas, suggesting an anti-politics not pro-Brexit sentiment.
> Rochdale
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> Lab 17 wards won (+2)
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> Con 2 (-2)
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> LD 1
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> Good work by @RochdalePioneers
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> Also bad luck @HYUFD that must be gutting!
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> Must have done well to get it that close though.
Thanks, yes not much more you can do there.
Anyway, night all and will check the rurals coming in tomorrow
Lab easily defeats their defector to Indy in Weaste and Seedley
Ind gain from Labour in Irlam
No change in the remaining wards
> Personally I lost out by 2 votes on a town council seat after a recount to the Mayor elect
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> Commiserations - better luck next time!
Thanks Carlotta
> LabourList:
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> 02.55 Curtice is making a distinction between two analyses of Labour’s performance: one that says voters don’t want Labour to ‘look both ways’ on Brexit; the other that says voters want ‘a plague on both your houses’. He says the latter is more accurate because the drop in support is across the North rather than in Leave areas, suggesting an anti-politics not pro-Brexit sentiment.
Isnt anti-politics being driven by behaviour of mps over brexit though?
Con - 38 (-3)
Labour - 3 (+2)
Lib Dem - 1 (+1)
> Bracknell Forest
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> Con - 38 (-3)
> Labour - 3 (+2)
> Lib Dem - 1 (+1)
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Corbynism surge.....
LittleBritain:https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1123970164054200322
I mean, they are losing previously held wards 88 to 9%
> Little Britain:
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> https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1123970164054200322
That explains why migrants are desperate to move from France to the UK, despite the fact that France is nominally a more prosperous country than we are.