Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Trigger ballots night in some London CLPs for the Assembly Members re-selections
Southwark and Lambeth (5 CLPs in total). Incumbent Florence Eshalomi won Vauxhall CLP's ballot but lost in Streatham CLP. She needs to win 2/3 of the CLPs to get re-selected (and 2/3 of affiliates but these shouldn't present a problem). Therefore she now needs to win Dulwich, Bermondsey and Peckham
City and East (6 CLPs) Incumbent Unmesh Desai won Poplar and Limehouse CLP (38 votes to 7), Dagenham and Rainham CLP (unanimous) and Bethnal Green and Bow CLP. Still to do: Barking, West Ham and East Ham. However, this re-selection looks smooth.
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
A new #bbcqt low, terrible chairing. Caroline Lucas has my vote. Will Tories get a single EM seat?
Must be a candidate for the worst QT of all time. I assume that Rhys-Davies fellow was acting the role of a ham eurosceptic. Not a convincing performance.
At least it was lively and I thought Rhys-Davies was the best panellist for ages, a slightly more intellectual Brian Blessed
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Can anyone explain to me why the media are suddenly talking up Farage, something they never used to do when he was in UKIP? I find it hard to believe they're doing so in good faith; there must be ulterior motives.
Can anyone explain to me why the media are suddenly talking up Farage, something they never used to do when he was in UKIP? I find it hard to believe they're doing so in good faith; there must be ulterior motives.
Can anyone explain to me why the media are suddenly talking up Farage, something they never used to do when he was in UKIP? I find it hard to believe they're doing so in good faith; there must be ulterior motives.
Search me. I am looking forward to sunday, when iirc the election broadcast rules come in.
No more endless live voxy broadcasts from Clacton with Nigel.
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
Can anyone explain to me why the media are suddenly talking up Farage, something they never used to do when he was in UKIP? I find it hard to believe they're doing so in good faith; there must be ulterior motives.
Search me. I am looking forward to sunday, when iirc the election broadcast rules come in.
No more endless live voxy broadcasts from Clacton with Nigel.
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
Selective state schools - I thought supposed Corbyn style socialists like her parents wouldn’t have been into that sort of thing by the 1990s. What was wrong with her local comp - too working class perhaps for her middle class NHS trust chairing Mama and teacher Papa?
If there is a selective system, the other schools are secondary moderns. They are not comprehensives.
What is it about the articulate woman with strong opinions and plenty of ambition that frightens you?
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
He is second on the list in the 6 seat south west region. The chances of Labour winning more than one seat there are very small - so presumably he can return to the Lords in late May?
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
All girl was more the point I was making.
Why mention the "working class" Jess?
Secondary point based on what percentage of working class girls go to an all girls grammer school. Now I actually have no problem with single sex schools or selection by ability. What I do have a problem with is people that have gone to these schools not admitting it or trying to twist the facts.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
All girl was more the point I was making.
Why mention the "working class" Jess?
Secondary point based on what percentage of working class girls go to an all girls grammer school. Now I actually have no problem with single sex schools or selection by ability. What I do have a problem with is people that have gone to these schools not admitting it or trying to twist the facts.
These people really are focused only 1 step in front of themselves aren't they? It reminds of when I assumed people like JRM and co were capable of realising no Brexit was a possibility if they voted down the WA, especially as they were told that was possible, and yet at the time of MV2.5/3 they suddenly did vote for it precisely as no Brexit might happen if it did not pass. It turned out even when people were telling them what would come next they didn't know what would come next.
And yet more proof that of that tendency with plans to just pretend the EU will ignore the backstop again, following the last plan which was May goes and then, magically, the problems go away.
The EU is going to have to accept that it can't demand a neighbour has EU law rule over its territory with no possibility of exit. Even if they manage to get a parliament to agree it is an unsustainable system. Would they accept British rule over Ireland or Flanders? Of course not.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
The BBC's approach is to outnumber Leavers with Remainers and get the worst Leaver they can where possible.
Victoria Atkins voted for the deal and advocated leaving the EU on the show tonight. In what way was she appearing as a Remainer?
If QT representation was electorate-proportional, then there should be on average a slim majority on QT panels who were "Leavers at the referendum", rather than in the more generic "non-disputants of the referendum result" category, but which could include people who have since switched to supporting Remain or Second Ref because they want to Remain but don't want to say so, or whatever.
But on the other hand, QT has to put together panels who are mostly higher-end players at the sharp end of politics and the media - it would be meaningless for it to consist mostly of county councillors and local newspaper journalists. And that's a relatively small pool to go fishing in, one which overwhelmingly campaigned for Remain, across the majority of parties. I can see there are issues of balance but I don't think they're easily resolvable. If they did consistently pick 2 or 3 Leavers, then you'd be seeing a small number of faces in constant rotation, particularly if it was thought necessary to balance a right-wing Leaver with a left-wing one (even smaller pool there, and it's small enough on the Right!).
This is not unrelated to why plenty of the more fervent Leavers think we need some kind of revolutionary clear-out of our ruling class, nor to the fact many Leave voters saw the Ref as a brilliant chance to give the Establishment a good kicking.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Where are all the competent, smart and well-informed Leave politicians hidden away? In three years we’ve yet to uncover one who has given the remotest impression that they could have done a better job at negotiating Brexit than Theresa May. And it’s not as if Theresa May has set the world on fire, is it? Johnson, Rees Mogg, Davis, Farage, Raab, Grayling and co are clearly not competent, so who are the superstars who’d have brought home the bacon?
So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.
UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now. Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks. Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass. Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it. Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass. SNP - Not Scottish. Plaid - Nor Welsh. Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that. Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.
So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?
My current plan is to do precisely that.
Except I was going to write “Farce” rather than draw a phallus.
These people really are focused only 1 step in front of themselves aren't they? It reminds of when I assumed people like JRM and co were capable of realising no Brexit was a possibility if they voted down the WA, especially as they were told that was possible, and yet at the time of MV2.5/3 they suddenly did vote for it precisely as no Brexit might happen if it did not pass. It turned out even when people were telling them what would come next they didn't know what would come next.
And yet more proof that of that tendency with plans to just pretend the EU will ignore the backstop again, following the last plan which was May goes and then, magically, the problems go away.
It’s things like this that have given rise to my biggest questions about Brexit.
I assumed a level of rationality, wisdom and considered balance in my elected representatives, who shared my views, only to discover to my horror there was none.
Where are all the competent, smart and well-informed Leave politicians hidden away? In three years we’ve yet to uncover one who has given the remotest impression that they could have done a better job at negotiating Brexit than Theresa May. And it’s not as if Theresa May has set the world on fire, is it? Johnson, Rees Mogg, Davis, Farage, Raab, Grayling and co are clearly not competent, so who are the superstars who’d have brought home the bacon?
Our current crop of politicians are at as low a competency level as I've ever seen. On average, anyway. And the press commentators aren't much better.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Can anyone explain to me why the media are suddenly talking up Farage, something they never used to do when he was in UKIP? I find it hard to believe they're doing so in good faith; there must be ulterior motives.
It’s one whore admiring another.
Farage gives the media what they want when they want it.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
The BBC's approach is to outnumber Leavers with Remainers and get the worst Leaver they can where possible.
Victoria Atkins voted for the deal and advocated leaving the EU on the show tonight. In what way was she appearing as a Remainer?
If QT representation was electorate-proportional, then there should be on average a slim majority on QT panels who were "Leavers at the referendum", rather than in the more generic "non-disputants of the referendum result" category, but which could include people who have since switched to supporting Remain or Second Ref because they want to Remain but don't want to say so, or whatever.
But on the other hand, QT has to put together panels who are mostly higher-end players at the sharp end of politics and the media - it would be meaningless for it to consist mostly of county councillors and local newspaper journalists. And that's a relatively small pool to go fishing in, one which overwhelmingly campaigned for Remain, across the majority of parties. I can see there are issues of balance but I don't think they're easily resolvable. If they did consistently pick 2 or 3 Leavers, then you'd be seeing a small number of faces in constant rotation, particularly if it was thought necessary to balance a right-wing Leaver with a left-wing one (even smaller pool there, and it's small enough on the Right!).
This is not unrelated to why plenty of the more fervent Leavers think we need some kind of revolutionary clear-out of our ruling class, nor to the fact many Leave voters saw the Ref as a brilliant chance to give the Establishment a good kicking.
I hold no brief for the BBC but I think, on Brexit at least, they have been trying as well as could be expected to be fair.
So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.
UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now. Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks. Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass. Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it. Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass. SNP - Not Scottish. Plaid - Nor Welsh. Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that. Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.
So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?
Agreed. I’m sort of leaning towards Brexit in the European elections to send a message (there are enough sensible Tory mps to do a dealbut they need a good kick up the arse) and Tory for the local council as they do a good job
So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.
UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now. Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks. Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass. Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it. Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass. SNP - Not Scottish. Plaid - Nor Welsh. Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that. Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.
So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?
Agreed. I’m sort of leaning towards Brexit in the European elections to send a message (there are enough sensible Tory mps to do a dealbut they need a good kick up the arse) and Tory for the local council as they do a good job
So you’ll vote for the party that says any deal would be a betrayal in order to encourage a deal ?
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
What. Is. The. Point. There is no agreement with the EU without the Irish backstop.
The Tories keep coming back to the Malthouse Compromise like a dog returning to its shit. They really need to be put out of their misery before they damage this country and what is left of its reputation for sanity any further. It's just embarrassing now.
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
So she is one of the 2% of Scots supporting the Farage party?
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
Where are all the competent, smart and well-informed Leave politicians hidden away? In three years we’ve yet to uncover one who has given the remotest impression that they could have done a better job at negotiating Brexit than Theresa May. And it’s not as if Theresa May has set the world on fire, is it? Johnson, Rees Mogg, Davis, Farage, Raab, Grayling and co are clearly not competent, so who are the superstars who’d have brought home the bacon?
They’re on here. Unfortunately too junior to make a difference.
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
I would think that if you were a Leaver who wanted a negotiated exit from the EU then the Conservatives would be the only choice at the EU elections.
Although I don't think it's at all possible now, a large public vote for the Conservatives in these elections would potentially provide enough impetus to pass the Withdrawal Agreement.
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
I would think that if you were a Leaver who wanted a negotiated exit from the EU then the Conservatives would be the only choice at the EU elections.
Although I don't think it's at all possible now, a large public vote for the Conservatives in these elections would potentially provide enough impetus to pass the Withdrawal Agreement.
Yes, the Brexit Party seems to not consider the WA a proper Brexit, so is in effect the No Deal party.
There is certainly a constituency for that, but less radical Leavers should vote Conservative or Labour.
While in terms of MPs, former Labour members dominate CHUK, at MEP level it seems to be more Pro EU former Tories, Stephen Dorrell in West Midlands for example and Rachel Johnson in the SW. With Heidi Allen as leader, I see Pro EU conservatives as their best potential pool of voters. The Tories are going to lose rats off both sides of the ship.
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
I would think that if you were a Leaver who wanted a negotiated exit from the EU then the Conservatives would be the only choice at the EU elections.
Although I don't think it's at all possible now, a large public vote for the Conservatives in these elections would potentially provide enough impetus to pass the Withdrawal Agreement.
Yes, the Brexit Party seems to not consider the WA a proper Brexit, so is in effect the No Deal party.
There is certainly a constituency for that, but less radical Leavers should vote Conservative or Labour.
While in terms of MPs, former Labour members dominate CHUK, at MEP level it seems to be more Pro EU former Tories, Stephen Dorrell in West Midlands for example and Rachel Johnson in the SW. With Heidi Allen as leader, I see Pro EU conservatives as their best potential pool of voters. The Tories are going to lose rats off both sides of the ship.
The Brexit Party seems to not consider THIS WA a proper Brexit. But do we know whether they would accept the WA wthout the backstop?
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
The Brexit Party represents a medium for a Conservative voter strike. It is a one trick pony, and that is all it requires to get voters for an EU vote that is basically saying "We do not want this vote, so we are using it to kick the Tory Party up the arse."
If the Brexit Party were to get itself a raft of popular policies - then the Tories could indeed be in trouble. But then, so could a bunch of Labour MPs.
But that gurning twat Farage at the helm is going to be a roadblock for many voters when that vote matters.
The Brexit Party seems to not consider THIS WA a proper Brexit. But do we know whether they would accept the WA wthout the backstop?
I would accept being pleasured in the French manner by Taylor Swift but that's just as irrelevant as neither that offer nor an unbackstopped WA will ever be available.
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
I agree, I think the lower teens myself. Whether that is a one off remains to be seen.
Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
UKIP csme first and the Tories only got 23% in the 2014 European Parliament elections yet won an overall majority at the next general election the following year.
The only way it will be the death throes of the Tory Party is if they are in Governmemt still by the next general election and we are still in the EU
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
So she is one of the 2% of Scots supporting the Farage party?
I think it will turn out to be a lot more than that. Most Tories in Scotland support Ruth who is our bulwark against more Indy nonsense but most Tories in Scotland also support leave and don't agree with her on that. The vote will split but quite how is unclear. 38% of Scotland voted leave including a surprising number of Nationalist supporters. These are well stocked waters in which to fish although Farage is more of an English phenomenon.
A german study is predicting this round of Euro elections will be a real kick for the established parties as voters use it to express their deep discontent. Study took place in Germany France, Greece UK , Italy, Netherlands, Austria Poland Sweden, Denmark Spain and Hungary.
Study predicts the non mainstream parties will get 52% of the vote. looks like we're very much in tune with Europe after all.
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
UKIP csme first and the Tories only got 23% in the 2014 European Parliament elections yet won an overall majority at the next general election the following year.
The only way it will be the death throes of the Tory Party is if they are in Governmemt still by the next general election and we are still in the EU
Or if we are out of the EU and the Conservatives are blamed for any ensuing disruption or decline.
The Brexit Party seems to not consider THIS WA a proper Brexit. But do we know whether they would accept the WA wthout the backstop?
I would accept being pleasured in the French manner by Taylor Swift but that's just as irrelevant as neither that offer nor an unbackstopped WA will ever be available.
Undoubtedly. But it still makes the point to the EU that their formulation of the Irish border problem is how they've ballsed up the negotiations.
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
I would think that if you were a Leaver who wanted a negotiated exit from the EU then the Conservatives would be the only choice at the EU elections.
Although I don't think it's at all possible now, a large public vote for the Conservatives in these elections would potentially provide enough impetus to pass the Withdrawal Agreement.
Yes, the Brexit Party seems to not consider the WA a proper Brexit, so is in effect the No Deal party.
There is certainly a constituency for that, but less radical Leavers should vote Conservative or Labour.
While in terms of MPs, former Labour members dominate CHUK, at MEP level it seems to be more Pro EU former Tories, Stephen Dorrell in West Midlands for example and Rachel Johnson in the SW. With Heidi Allen as leader, I see Pro EU conservatives as their best potential pool of voters. The Tories are going to lose rats off both sides of the ship.
As are Labour, Yougov has Labour plunging to just 15% in the European Parliament elections if they stick to the Milne line of supporting Brexit with a Customs Union
My better half surprised me at tea yesterday by announcing that she is going to vote for the Brexit party in the Euros. She is genuinely cross about us not leaving yet. She has no interest in who the candidate is or whether he or she is elected. She simply wants to record her irritation.
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
So she is one of the 2% of Scots supporting the Farage party?
I think it will turn out to be a lot more than that. Most Tories in Scotland support Ruth who is our bulwark against more Indy nonsense but most Tories in Scotland also support leave and don't agree with her on that. The vote will split but quite how is unclear. 38% of Scotland voted leave including a surprising number of Nationalist supporters. These are well stocked waters in which to fish although Farage is more of an English phenomenon.
Though the median Scottish voter wants Scotland to stay in the UK and EU, or at least avoid No Deal
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
UKIP csme first and the Tories only got 23% in the 2014 European Parliament elections yet won an overall majority at the next general election the following year.
The only way it will be the death throes of the Tory Party is if they are in Governmemt still by the next general election and we are still in the EU
Or if we are out of the EU and the Conservatives are blamed for any ensuing disruption or decline.
That might lose the Tories the general election if we leave with No Deal but it would not be the death throes of the Tory Party as most Leavers would still vote Tory and the Tories would not be overtaken by the Brexit Party as the main party of the right as they might if we are still in the EU by the next general election
Jess Philips has just said on This Week that there were no Nigel Farages where she went to school. Well if you go to an all girl grammer school then that should not be a surprise to our "working class" Jess.
Grammars in Brum are state schools as I recall, or are you saying that working class people should not be allowed in?
A postgraduate degree now needed to significantly increase earnings, by 30 earnings are 40% above non graduates for postgraduates but just 21% above non graduates for graduates alone.
Between the ages of 16 and 64 postgraduates earn £40,000 on average compared to £34 000 for graduates and £24 000 for non graduates
Reading through the comments on this thread the identity of the posters is fairly obvious as each puts their own political interpretation on forthcoming events. It is hard not to see the conservatives being virtually wiped out in the EU elections but who is coming out on top is far more uncertain.
Labour have a big decision to make in the next few days that will cause them real angst as they cannot sit on the fence any longer over a referendum in their EU manifesto. The conservatives for all their woes do not have this problem
Next weeks locals will be a difficult night for the conservatives and I expect the lib dems to do better than most
The two elections in May should see TM lose her premiership but in a way that allows a proper election for her succcessor. I do hope she has the grace to leave rather than be deposed by cabinet or the 1922 committee
The conservative party with a new leader will change the narrative and I would expect an election by the Autumn
For the reasons set out in my previous post I think that the Brexit party will end up with about 30% having largely scooped the pool of the leavers. The remain vote will be much more scattered between parties stretching from the creatively ambiguous (Labour) to the outright remain (CUK). It will surprise me if they do not top the poll.
I do actually wonder if we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
UKIP csme first and the Tories only got 23% in the 2014 European Parliament elections yet won an overall majority at the next general election the following year.
The only way it will be the death throes of the Tory Party is if they are in Governmemt still by the next general election and we are still in the EU
Or if we are out of the EU and the Conservatives are blamed for any ensuing disruption or decline.
what ensuing disruption or decline ?
HMG has already said over 80% of firms are ready for a no deal The downturn on investment etc is already baked in to our base economic prospects Wages and employment are increasing Growth is about the EU level despite all the "bad news" The public finances are the best theyve been since 2001
this constant flogging of a dead horse is just dull
odds are given the current impact on depressing investment, theres more of an upside when a decision is made one way or the other than a down side.
A german study is predicting this round of Euro elections will be a real kick for the established parties as voters use it to express their deep discontent. Study took place in Germany France, Greece UK , Italy, Netherlands, Austria Poland Sweden, Denmark Spain and Hungary.
Study predicts the non mainstream parties will get 52% of the vote. looks like we're very much in tune with Europe after all.
A postgraduate degree now needed to significantly increase earnings, by 30 earnings are 40% above non graduates for postgraduates but just 21% above non graduates for graduates alone.
Between the ages of 16 and 64 postgraduates earn £40,000 on average compared to £34 000 for graduates and £24 000 for non graduates
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1121549330371031040?s=19
What a letdown!
https://twitter.com/jonjolley/status/1121544417960132608?s=21
Southwark and Lambeth (5 CLPs in total).
Incumbent Florence Eshalomi won Vauxhall CLP's ballot but lost in Streatham CLP. She needs to win 2/3 of the CLPs to get re-selected (and 2/3 of affiliates but these shouldn't present a problem). Therefore she now needs to win Dulwich, Bermondsey and Peckham
City and East (6 CLPs)
Incumbent Unmesh Desai won Poplar and Limehouse CLP (38 votes to 7), Dagenham and Rainham CLP (unanimous) and Bethnal Green and Bow CLP. Still to do: Barking, West Ham and East Ham.
However, this re-selection looks smooth.
No more endless live voxy broadcasts from Clacton with Nigel.
Was being an MEP worth it, given he is in HoL?
What is it about the articulate woman with strong opinions and plenty of ambition that frightens you?
Survation. 18 - 24 April
Scottish Westminster Voting Intention:
SNP: 41% (+1)
LAB: 24% (+1)
CON: 22% (-1)
LDM: 8% (=)
But on the other hand, QT has to put together panels who are mostly higher-end players at the sharp end of politics and the media - it would be meaningless for it to consist mostly of county councillors and local newspaper journalists. And that's a relatively small pool to go fishing in, one which overwhelmingly campaigned for Remain, across the majority of parties. I can see there are issues of balance but I don't think they're easily resolvable. If they did consistently pick 2 or 3 Leavers, then you'd be seeing a small number of faces in constant rotation, particularly if it was thought necessary to balance a right-wing Leaver with a left-wing one (even smaller pool there, and it's small enough on the Right!).
This is not unrelated to why plenty of the more fervent Leavers think we need some kind of revolutionary clear-out of our ruling class, nor to the fact many Leave voters saw the Ref as a brilliant chance to give the Establishment a good kicking.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/feb/01/film.politics
Except I was going to write “Farce” rather than draw a phallus.
I assumed a level of rationality, wisdom and considered balance in my elected representatives, who shared my views, only to discover to my horror there was none.
It’s one whore admiring another.
Farage gives the media what they want when they want it.
F1: not sure when the pre-qualifying tosh will be up. Might be later today, or tomorrow (pre- or post-third practice).
If the Tories are losing people like her (typically on the wet side of the party) this may be something not much short of catastrophic for them. Personally, I haven't made up my mind whether to boycott the election or follow suite but the Tories will not be getting my vote either. Can anyone think of a reason to vote for a Tory in these elections? Mid teens seems to assume a loyalty and force of habit that has been stretched to breaking point.
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1121425028065763328?s=19
I don’t think they’ll make 20%.
No electoral system is perfect.
Although I don't think it's at all possible now, a large public vote for the Conservatives in these elections would potentially provide enough impetus to pass the Withdrawal Agreement.
There is certainly a constituency for that, but less radical Leavers should vote Conservative or Labour.
While in terms of MPs, former Labour members dominate CHUK, at MEP level it seems to be more Pro EU former Tories, Stephen Dorrell in West Midlands for example and Rachel Johnson in the SW. With Heidi Allen as leader, I see Pro EU conservatives as their best potential pool of voters. The Tories are going to lose rats off both sides of the ship.
If the Brexit Party were to get itself a raft of popular policies - then the Tories could indeed be in trouble. But then, so could a bunch of Labour MPs.
But that gurning twat Farage at the helm is going to be a roadblock for many voters when that vote matters.
The only way it will be the death throes of the Tory Party is if they are in Governmemt still by the next general election and we are still in the EU
Study predicts the non mainstream parties will get 52% of the vote. looks like we're very much in tune with Europe after all.
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/europawahl/viele-europaeer-wollen-europawahl-fuer-denkzettel-nutzen-16158248.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/back-public-vote-on-brexit-or-hand-europe-victory-to-nigel-farage-voters-tell-jeremy-corbyn-a4120156.html
Repeal the planning laws.
Between the ages of 16 and 64 postgraduates earn £40,000 on average compared to £34 000 for graduates and £24 000 for non graduates
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48058013
Labour have a big decision to make in the next few days that will cause them real angst as they cannot sit on the fence any longer over a referendum in their EU manifesto. The conservatives for all their woes do not have this problem
Next weeks locals will be a difficult night for the conservatives and I expect the lib dems to do better than most
The two elections in May should see TM lose her premiership but in a way that allows a proper election for her succcessor. I do hope she has the grace to leave rather than be deposed by cabinet or the 1922 committee
The conservative party with a new leader will change the narrative and I would expect an election by the Autumn
HMG has already said over 80% of firms are ready for a no deal
The downturn on investment etc is already baked in to our base economic prospects
Wages and employment are increasing
Growth is about the EU level despite all the "bad news"
The public finances are the best theyve been since 2001
this constant flogging of a dead horse is just dull
odds are given the current impact on depressing investment, theres more of an upside when a decision is made one way or the other than a down side.
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1121672890166824961?s=19