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edited April 2019 in General

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What is extraordinary about the coming Euro elections on May 23rd is just how many different parties will be on the ballot papers. The Wikipedia polling table above seeks to include all of them and I don’t think there has been a previous election like this in modern times.

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,884
    Where's Part 2 of my By-election thread??
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    edited April 2019
    2nd like Sunils missing part
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited April 2019
    Chappers is standing for TIG now I see?

    Didn't someone mention "fruitcakes and loons" once upon a time? :D
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Where's Part 2 of my By-election thread??

    Part 1 was merely advisory not legally binding.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Fifth, like the Marchioness of Cholmondeley
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    Sixth, like something behind five other things.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    edited April 2019
    7tth like TIG
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    edited April 2019
    Seumas Milne is an utter cock.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    _Anazina_ said:

    Seamus Milne is an utter cock.

    Wakes you up in the morning?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Are these elections now definitely happening, or could they still, perhaps technically, not happen?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Jonathan said:

    Are these elections now definitely happening, or could they still, perhaps technically, not happen?

    Which ones.

    Hopefully not those next week that have knackered my knees.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Where's Part 2 of my By-election thread??

    That is scheduled for over the weekend.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Where's Part 2 of my By-election thread??

    That is scheduled for over the weekend.
    :o spoiler alert!
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Jonathan said:

    Are these elections now definitely happening, or could they still, perhaps technically, not happen?

    Presumably Farage and the ‘Brexit Party’ now want them to happen because they have put up a series of handpicked twats as candidates?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Jonathan said:

    Are these elections now definitely happening, or could they still, perhaps technically, not happen?

    I suppose the last cut off is the day before election day? :p
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Where's Part 2 of my By-election thread??

    That is scheduled for over the weekend.
    Like line of duty
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Crossrail to be finished without Bond Street 'by March 2021'"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-48054789
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Where's Part 2 of my By-election thread??

    That is scheduled for over the weekend.
    Go Sunil!!!!!! :D
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    FPT. @RobD.
    I believe they use bank tellers to count the votes. I was talking more about those in the polling stations who hand you your ballot and cross your name off. Plus, those who supervise and deal with disputes. It is very short notice for them to keep a free day with no guarantee they'll get paid at the end of it.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    GIN1138 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
    Perhaps this lot deserve another shot at it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=438UKM1Av1g

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited April 2019
    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2019
    "Will Team Corbyn/Mile manage to hold their pro-Brexit position when the vast majority of party voters are against?"

    The "pro-Brexit position" which has seen them spend the whole year voting to delay Brexit whenever they get a chance in Parliament, and twice voting for a second referendum to take place? And which has resulted in much worse polling than when they genuinely did have a "pro-Brexit position"?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited April 2019
    On Topic - Polls may be close between Labour and Brexit Party but considering the Brexit Party is only like a few days old and Farage only got back on the campaign trail last week that is an extraordinary situation in itself,

    I reckon Brexit Party will only grow in strength over the next four weeks and are likely to win the EU election by a considerable margin in the end.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    kyf_100 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
    Perhaps this lot deserve another shot at it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=438UKM1Av1g

    Based on what you've said there - Toss a coin between Brexit and the Tories in the ballot box.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    Those polls are also wildly varied. Suggests no one really knows. Except. Brexit will do well. But what is success? Surely anything less than 1st will be a disappointment?
    How low will Labour and Tories, especially go?
    And the race for 4th could be most interesting of the lot. Have at least four realistic contenders. (5 if the Tories really implode).
    And, of course, the winner of LD v CUK is a fascinating match bet, with profound implications for the future of Centrist politics.
    I, for one, will be gutted if they don't happen.
    But I'm weird that way.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic - Polls may be close between Labour and Brexit Party but considering the Brexit Party is only like a few days old and Farage only got back on the campaign trail last week that is an extraordinary situation in itself,

    I reckon Brexit Party will only grow in strength over the next four week and are likely to win the EU election by a considerable margin.

    I thought the Brexiteers opposed European elections?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2019
    I think Con, Lab and Brexit Party will all be on about 20% at the Euros and it's impossible to say what their respective positions will be as far as the popular vote is concerned. I don't think the Tories will go as low as 15%.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    The candidates are a freaks' roll-call. No one normal could possibly want to stand.

    I guess I won’t vote.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,237
    Labour saving Ref2 for the general. Smart.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,683
    Let’s face it, almost anyone with a sense of humour, Leaver and Remainer alike, will vote for Farage. It’s got to the stage where we just don’t care anymore.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Is Vince pissed or just Alzheimer’s?
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Danny565 said:

    "Will Team Corbyn/Mile manage to hold their pro-Brexit position when the vast majority of party voters are against?"

    The "pro-Brexit position" which has seen them spend the whole year voting to delay Brexit whenever they get a chance in Parliament, and twice voting for a second referendum to take place? And which has resulted in much worse polling than when they genuinely did have a "pro-Brexit position"?

    So reading through that rant, you think Labour should be a pro-Brexit party?

    I
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    HYUFD said:

    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form

    Mmmm. However, a lot of that depends on turnout. If we get the usual measly c 30%, then, I would argue, precious little inference can be drawn.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    HYUFD said:

    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form

    The magic of Labour’s ambiguous position is that both sides will claim they have won.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    @TGOHF - That's in pretty poor taste
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Quite amazing that a party whose membership , MPs and voters overwhelmingly support a second EU ref would dream of not supporting that for the EU elections , it would be akin to the Tories supporting Remain and a second vote in the EU elections .

    Corbyn is toast if he thinks he can get away with not supporting this .
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,293
    edited April 2019
    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic - Polls may be close between Labour and Brexit Party but considering the Brexit Party is only like a few days old and Farage only got back on the campaign trail last week that is an extraordinary situation in itself,

    I reckon Brexit Party will only grow in strength over the next four week and are likely to win the EU election by a considerable margin.

    I thought the Brexiteers opposed European elections?
    They do but if they've got to happen then might as well send the clearest message possible by voting for the Brexit Party.

    That will be:

    1. Leave Won the referendum in 2016.

    2. Conservatives and Labour secured 80%+ combined vote shares in the 2017 general election on manifesto's promising to leave SM and CU.

    3. Brexit Party wins national EU elections on "No Deal" platform.

    Will Westminster finally get the message and get on with Brexit then?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2019
    _Anazina_ said:

    Danny565 said:

    "Will Team Corbyn/Mile manage to hold their pro-Brexit position when the vast majority of party voters are against?"

    The "pro-Brexit position" which has seen them spend the whole year voting to delay Brexit whenever they get a chance in Parliament, and twice voting for a second referendum to take place? And which has resulted in much worse polling than when they genuinely did have a "pro-Brexit position"?

    So reading through that rant, you think Labour should be a pro-Brexit party?

    I
    In an ideal world, I'm not sure whether I'd like them to be "pro-Brexit".

    But for their own political interests, it's surely undeniable that they've become more "Remainy" during 2019 than they were previously, and that it's coincided with a slide in their polling?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    Why is it beyond fussy to ask for a party that's a) vaguely competent b) not racist and c) capable of delivering a soft brexit?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    RobD said:

    @TGOHF - That's in pretty poor taste

    Subjecting him to live tv is cruel.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    The SDP aren't standing.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,856
    So who was the leaker from the NSC?

    It was never clear to me that we need a national security council - just another attempt to Americanise our political system. But it's certainly fascinating. I get the point about breach of secrecy but maybe the individual thought matters so serious that they considered it fulfilling their patriotic duty.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    kyf_100 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    Why is it beyond fussy to ask for a party that's a) vaguely competent b) not racist and c) capable of delivering a soft brexit?
    A) What do you class as competent, b) no party bar the BNP is really racist, c) Labour, sometimes Plaid and the SNP, the SDP, arguably even May's Tories are all committed to a soft Brexit of some form. You are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, there will be a vast range of parties to choose from in the European elections and if you really cannot find a party which meets your beliefs on everything stop whinging and start your own!
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    GIN1138 said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic - Polls may be close between Labour and Brexit Party but considering the Brexit Party is only like a few days old and Farage only got back on the campaign trail last week that is an extraordinary situation in itself,

    I reckon Brexit Party will only grow in strength over the next four week and are likely to win the EU election by a considerable margin.

    I thought the Brexiteers opposed European elections?
    They do but if they've got to happen then might as well send the clearest message possible by voting for the Brexit Party.

    That will be:

    1. Leave Won the referendum in 2016.

    2. Conservatives and Labour secured 80%+ combined vote shares in the 2017 general election on manifesto's promising to leave SM and CU.

    3. Brexit Party wins national EU elections on "No Deal" platform.

    Will Westminster finally get the message and get on with Brexit then?
    Only if those who purport to support Brexit vote for the deal to leave.

    Which they have thrice failed to do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form

    Mmmm. However, a lot of that depends on turnout. If we get the usual measly c 30%, then, I would argue, precious little inference can be drawn.
    Inference can be drawn as to who is motivated by Brexit and who will therefore be most likely to turn out at the next general election
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    edited April 2019
    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form

    The magic of Labour’s ambiguous position is that both sides will claim they have won.
    Which is why I also included the LDs, SNP, Greens, CUK etc
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    williamglenn said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    The SDP aren't standing.
    Even so there are a vast number of parties to choose from
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Got Milne's name right now.

    I used to work for Seamus's dad.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    Why is it beyond fussy to ask for a party that's a) vaguely competent b) not racist and c) capable of delivering a soft brexit?
    A) What do you class as competent, b) no party bar the BNP is really racist, c) Labour, sometimes Plaid and the SNP, the SDP, arguably even May's Tories are all committed to a soft Brexit of some form. You are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, there will be a vast range of parties to choose from in the European elections and if you really cannot find a party which meets your beliefs on everything stop whinging and start your own!
    Competent would have been leaving in March, which rules out voting Conservative this time - breaking a lifetime habit, I might add. However unlike most natural Conservative voters "on strike" I don't want to fuel Farage's ego or cast a vote that may be interpreted somewhere down the line as favouring a hard brexit.

  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,529
    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form

    The magic of Labour’s ambiguous position is that both sides will claim they have won.
    Labour's position is ALL about having as many potential voters at the next GE as possible. It's all about gaining power at Westminster, nothing else.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    MikeSmithson said:

    Got Milne's name right now.

    I used to work for Seamus's dad.

    Seumas I have recently learned - an odd spelling.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    GIN1138 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
    I like the MRLP, at one very late-night election count their team offered us all bananas.

    Though honestly I found it a bit too sensible.

  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    Why is it beyond fussy to ask for a party that's a) vaguely competent b) not racist and c) capable of delivering a soft brexit?
    A) What do you class as competent, b) no party bar the BNP is really racist, c) Labour, sometimes Plaid and the SNP, the SDP, arguably even May's Tories are all committed to a soft Brexit of some form. You are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, there will be a vast range of parties to choose from in the European elections and if you really cannot find a party which meets your beliefs on everything stop whinging and start your own!
    Don’t encourage him - the last thing we need is another bloody party!!
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    GIN1138 said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic - Polls may be close between Labour and Brexit Party but considering the Brexit Party is only like a few days old and Farage only got back on the campaign trail last week that is an extraordinary situation in itself,

    I reckon Brexit Party will only grow in strength over the next four week and are likely to win the EU election by a considerable margin.

    I thought the Brexiteers opposed European elections?
    They do but if they've got to happen then might as well send the clearest message possible by voting for the Brexit Party.

    That will be:

    1. Leave Won the referendum in 2016.

    2. Conservatives and Labour secured 80%+ combined vote shares in the 2017 general election on manifesto's promising to leave SM and CU.

    3. Brexit Party wins national EU elections on "No Deal" platform.

    Will Westminster finally get the message and get on with Brexit then?
    I wouldn't count on it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Victoria Atkins really struggling on Brexit on Question Time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    kyf_100 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    Why is it beyond fussy to ask for a party that's a) vaguely competent b) not racist and c) capable of delivering a soft brexit?
    A) What do you class as competent, b) no party bar the BNP is really racist, c) Labour, sometimes Plaid and the SNP, the SDP, arguably even May's Tories are all committed to a soft Brexit of some form. You are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, there will be a vast range of parties to choose from in the European elections and if you really cannot find a party which meets your beliefs on everything stop whinging and start your own!
    Competent would have been leaving in March, which rules out voting Conservative this time - breaking a lifetime habit, I might add. However unlike most natural Conservative voters "on strike" I don't want to fuel Farage's ego or cast a vote that may be interpreted somewhere down the line as favouring a hard brexit.

    So vote Brexit Party then if leaving in March was the be all and end all (the type of Brexit can be decided after). Or vote Liberal Party or something, otherwise stop whinging

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    _Anazina_ said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    If you really cannot find any party to vote for out of that lot you are beyond fussy, what exactly are you, an English soft Brexiteer, who is sceptical about climate change and dislikes Tony Blair? Sounds SDP, I believe they are also standing!
    Why is it beyond fussy to ask for a party that's a) vaguely competent b) not racist and c) capable of delivering a soft brexit?
    A) What do you class as competent, b) no party bar the BNP is really racist, c) Labour, sometimes Plaid and the SNP, the SDP, arguably even May's Tories are all committed to a soft Brexit of some form. You are just being difficult for the sake of being difficult, there will be a vast range of parties to choose from in the European elections and if you really cannot find a party which meets your beliefs on everything stop whinging and start your own!
    Don’t encourage him - the last thing we need is another bloody party!!
    Why not? In a democracy if people want to start a new party fine
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    _Anazina_ said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Got Milne's name right now.

    I used to work for Seamus's dad.

    Seumas I have recently learned - an odd spelling.
    Scots rather than Irish Gaelic.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    brokenwheel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On Topic - Polls may be close between Labour and Brexit Party but considering the Brexit Party is only like a few days old and Farage only got back on the campaign trail last week that is an extraordinary situation in itself,

    I reckon Brexit Party will only grow in strength over the next four week and are likely to win the EU election by a considerable margin.

    I thought the Brexiteers opposed European elections?
    They do but if they've got to happen then might as well send the clearest message possible by voting for the Brexit Party.

    That will be:

    1. Leave Won the referendum in 2016.

    2. Conservatives and Labour secured 80%+ combined vote shares in the 2017 general election on manifesto's promising to leave SM and CU.

    3. Brexit Party wins national EU elections on "No Deal" platform.

    Will Westminster finally get the message and get on with Brexit then?
    I wouldn't count on it.
    Agreed - when those who purport to support leaving repeatedly vote against a deal to actually leave, one can never be sure.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    williamglenn said:

    Victoria Atkins really struggling on Brexit on Question Time.

    John Rhys Davies quite articulate if a bit slow and slightly pompous.


    Lucas getting boos and cheers when she attacked Farage
  • JackJackJackJack Posts: 98
    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    Victoria Atkins really struggling on Brexit on Question Time.

    John Rhys Davies quite articulate if a bit slow and slightly pompous.


    Lucas getting boos and cheers when she attacked Farage
    Four Remainers and one Leaver. This is the BBC's idea of balance.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    dixiedean said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    Got Milne's name right now.

    I used to work for Seamus's dad.

    Seumas I have recently learned - an odd spelling.
    Scots rather than Irish Gaelic.
    Ah, thanks.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    brokenwheel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
    I like the MRLP, at one very late-night election count their team offered us all bananas.

    Though honestly I found it a bit too sensible.

    The MRLP’s niche has been swamped by the other parties in recent times. It is no longer possible to define their USP.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Dear god - they went and did it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6960325/Controversial-Corbyn-aide-Laura-Murray-named-head-complaints.html
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    _Anazina_ said:

    brokenwheel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
    I like the MRLP, at one very late-night election count their team offered us all bananas.

    Though honestly I found it a bit too sensible.

    The MRLP’s niche has been swamped by the other parties in recent times. It is no longer possible to define their USP.
    Their USP is self-awareness.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    JackJack said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    Victoria Atkins really struggling on Brexit on Question Time.

    John Rhys Davies quite articulate if a bit slow and slightly pompous.


    Lucas getting boos and cheers when she attacked Farage
    Four Remainers and one Leaver. This is the BBC's idea of balance.
    I thought this was bloody typical

    https://order-order.com/2019/04/25/bbc-fail-say-tory-bashing-guest-leading-labour-nec-member/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Floater said:

    Dear god - they went and did it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6960325/Controversial-Corbyn-aide-Laura-Murray-named-head-complaints.html

    And? Sounds like something perfect for various MPs to moan about and then do nothing over to show how gosh darn furious they are.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,856
    Looking at the members of the NSC I know who my money would be on.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited April 2019
    Sri Lanka

    Its seems remarkable that no one has asked what happened to the 4 Sri Lankans scooped by police under the auspices of the Terrorism Act at Luton airport a couple of weeks back. This was around the same time that a refreshed intelligence warnings regarding possible attacks were sent out.

    Perhaps totally co-incidental but quite a co-incidence.

    FPT Joe Biden is a front runner for a reason beyond name recognition, he represents a relative feel good character and is considered competent. Yes his age could be a weapon against him but whilst there may be (and this not certain) a leftward shift amongst Democrat activists, that doesn't mean the voters in the US have shifted the same way.

    What is so delightful is how the last thread header couldn't wait to get the guy's age out. Lets hope a thread on say Cory Booker or Kamala Harris mentions their racial origins or Pete Buttigieg's sexuality within the first two sentences just to keep it even since they too could be seen as disadvantage for some voters.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Floater said:

    Dear god - they went and did it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6960325/Controversial-Corbyn-aide-Laura-Murray-named-head-complaints.html

    From the Labour Party’s perspective, it’s a fantastic appointment. No complainant can have any confidence in a complaints system run by a person with no investigative experience, no experience of running a complaints system, with actual and potential conflicts of interest which, in any properly run organisation, would have disqualified her from being considered for the post, and facing a libel action in relation to the topic she’s meant to be investigating. So why bother making a complaint.

    Complaints will dry up and Labour can announce, hey presto, that they’ve solved their anti-semitism problem!

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    YBarddCwsc said:

    HYUFD said:

    The Euro elections are also a proxy second referendum on Brexit, if Labour wins and Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP are more than Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP then Remainers will feel they have a mandate to push for a second referendum or even revoke, however if the Brexit Party wins and Tory plus Brexit Party plus UKIP are more than Labour plus LD plus Green plus CUK plus SNP then 'the People's Vote' campaign will lose momentum and Labour MPs from Leave seats may well back a Deal, especially if the Brexit Party leads in their seats. Brexit will then likely still go ahead, the question is its form

    The magic of Labour’s ambiguous position is that both sides will claim they have won.
    They've done very well in that regard, despite not being free of difficulty.
    HYUFD said:



    Why not? In a democracy if people want to start a new party fine

    The more the merrier. UKEUP are the newest party on offer, though no doubt another minor one

    http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Registrations/PP9060
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    williamglenn said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    brokenwheel said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    MRLP?
    I like the MRLP, at one very late-night election count their team offered us all bananas.

    Though honestly I found it a bit too sensible.

    The MRLP’s niche has been swamped by the other parties in recent times. It is no longer possible to define their USP.
    Their USP is self-awareness.
    👊
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    kyf_100 said:

    So many parties and none of them I feel like voting for.

    UKIP - if they weren't fruitcakes and racists before, what's left of them certainly is now.
    Lab - I'm neither a Jew hater nor do I want to see the country turn into Venezuela, so no thanks.
    Con - Piss poor on Brexit while lacking the piss to organise an up in a brewery, fighting like ferrets in a sack, and with a nasty authoritarian streak (porn license) rearing its head too. Pass.
    Lib dem - So pro europe they should just get a room already. I might have time for a Norman Lamb led party that takes the view of leavers into account. This ain't it.
    Green - I'm not an eco loon. Pass.
    SNP - Not Scottish.
    Plaid - Nor Welsh.
    Brexit - I'm pro the result of the 2016 referendum being carried out, but afraid a vote for Farage's merry men is an economy destroying crash out scenario. I can't in good conscience vote for that.
    Change UK - Change what? Change the clocks back to a few years ago to discredited "third way" blairism? No thanks.

    So what do we think? Spoil the ballot paper? Where exactly does one draw a phallus to be sure it won't be counted as a vote?

    Outside any of the boxes will be fine.

    Personally I'm just hoping to increase the number of parties with elected representatives as I think that is a good thing in itself (within reason), so on that basis Tiggers probably get it, although much more silliness from them and they are pushing that.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,737
    JackJack said:

    HYUFD said:

    williamglenn said:

    Victoria Atkins really struggling on Brexit on Question Time.

    John Rhys Davies quite articulate if a bit slow and slightly pompous.


    Lucas getting boos and cheers when she attacked Farage
    Four Remainers and one Leaver. This is the BBC's idea of balance.
    Rhys Davies was so bloody useless that he must have put off even the thickest Leaver from Brexit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    Cyclefree said:

    Floater said:

    Dear god - they went and did it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6960325/Controversial-Corbyn-aide-Laura-Murray-named-head-complaints.html

    From the Labour Party’s perspective, it’s a fantastic appointment. No complainant can have any confidence in a complaints system run by a person with no investigative experience, no experience of running a complaints system, with actual and potential conflicts of interest which, in any properly run organisation, would have disqualified her from being considered for the post, and facing a libel action in relation to the topic she’s meant to be investigating. So why bother making a complaint.

    Complaints will dry up and Labour can announce, hey presto, that they’ve solved their anti-semitism problem!

    In all seriousness handling complaints is not an easy job, as you know far better than I, let alone jumping straight in as the Head, it does stand out as an appointment regardless of her position as being an aide to the Leader.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    Vince putting No deal on the ballot paper :o !
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Floater said:

    Dear god - they went and did it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6960325/Controversial-Corbyn-aide-Laura-Murray-named-head-complaints.html

    From the Labour Party’s perspective, it’s a fantastic appointment. No complainant can have any confidence in a complaints system run by a person with no investigative experience, no experience of running a complaints system, with actual and potential conflicts of interest which, in any properly run organisation, would have disqualified her from being considered for the post, and facing a libel action in relation to the topic she’s meant to be investigating. So why bother making a complaint.

    Complaints will dry up and Labour can announce, hey presto, that they’ve solved their anti-semitism problem!

    In all seriousness handling complaints is not an easy job, as you know far better than I, let alone jumping straight in as the Head, it does stand out as an appointment regardless of her position as being an aide to the Leader.
    This is Caligula-level stuff.
    What a sewer Labour has become.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    A lot of people in this country need to go to anger management classes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,737
    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    A new #bbcqt low, terrible chairing. Caroline Lucas has my vote. Will Tories get a single EM seat?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pamela Anderson is tonight's guest on This Week with Andrew Neill.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    A new #bbcqt low, terrible chairing. Caroline Lucas has my vote. Will Tories get a single EM seat?
    Are LibDem members allowed to vote for rival parties? :p
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,737
    Danny565 said:

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    A new #bbcqt low, terrible chairing. Caroline Lucas has my vote. Will Tories get a single EM seat?
    Are LibDem members allowed to vote for rival parties? :p
    I will be voting Lib Dem in the locals. We should be making useful gains in Leics.

    Greens are the more likely to gain MEPs in the East Midlands though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Groundhog Day.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1121527732066713601?s=21
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,156
    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    Far from being sectioned John Rhys Davies was by far the most articulate and entertaining on the panel, he has acted in everything from Indiana Jones to the Lord of the Rings and James Bond
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    CNN:

    Biden is Trump's most anticipated -- and feared -- rival

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-rivals/index.html
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    williamglenn said:

    Groundhog Day.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1121527732066713601?s=21

    Graham Brady Old Lady is a clown.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Foxy said:

    Danny565 said:

    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    A new #bbcqt low, terrible chairing. Caroline Lucas has my vote. Will Tories get a single EM seat?
    Are LibDem members allowed to vote for rival parties? :p
    I will be voting Lib Dem in the locals. We should be making useful gains in Leics.

    Greens are the more likely to gain MEPs in the East Midlands though.
    Have the pubs shut?
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Shropshire - Belle Vue

    Lab 603
    Lib Dem 403
    Con 152
    Green 65
    UKIP 58
    Rejected: 7

    Labour hold
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2019
    rottenborough said:

    CNN:

    Biden is Trump's most anticipated -- and feared -- rival

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/25/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-rivals/index.html

    Correct. The SJWs hate Biden precisely because he's electable in the Rust Belt, whereas their "woke" policies are electable in about 10 states.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    AndyJS said:

    Pamela Anderson is tonight's guest on This Week with Andrew Neill.

    and she is not very good at articulating her argument.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    AndreaParma_82 said:

    Shropshire - Belle Vue

    Lab 603
    Lib Dem 403
    Con 152
    Green 65
    UKIP 58
    Rejected: 7

    Labour hold

    earth shattering!!!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    kle4 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Floater said:

    Dear god - they went and did it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6960325/Controversial-Corbyn-aide-Laura-Murray-named-head-complaints.html

    From the Labour Party’s perspective, it’s a fantastic appointment. No complainant can have any confidence in a complaints system run by a person with no investigative experience, no experience of running a complaints system, with actual and potential conflicts of interest which, in any properly run organisation, would have disqualified her from being considered for the post, and facing a libel action in relation to the topic she’s meant to be investigating. So why bother making a complaint.

    Complaints will dry up and Labour can announce, hey presto, that they’ve solved their anti-semitism problem!

    In all seriousness handling complaints is not an easy job, as you know far better than I, let alone jumping straight in as the Head, it does stand out as an appointment regardless of her position as being an aide to the Leader.
    It is an appointment which shows Labour is simply not serious about dealing with its problems at all, let alone properly. The only way they will be pushed into doing anything is if the Equalities and Human Rights Commission does a thorough investigation. But its remit is not to tell political parties how to set up and run proper internal investigation teams. There are people who could do so. For a majestically enormous fee, I would do so.

    But Labour are not interested in that. They just want to make the story go away. This may well be enough. After all, how many people will know - or care - that the new Head of Complaints is a former aide to Corbyn and the daughter of one of his existing close aides, has been involved in interfering in investigations contrary to what has been said and is facing a libel action from a Jewish complainant?
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    Good grief QT tonight was appalling . The lunatic actor needs to be sectioned and clearly some members of the audience need to go to an anger management class .

    A new #bbcqt low, terrible chairing. Caroline Lucas has my vote. Will Tories get a single EM seat?
    Must be a candidate for the worst QT of all time. I assume that Rhys-Davies fellow was acting the role of a ham eurosceptic. Not a convincing performance.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    _Anazina_ said:

    williamglenn said:

    Groundhog Day.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1121527732066713601?s=21

    Graham Brady Old Lady is a clown.
    What. Is. The. Point. There is no agreement with the EU without the Irish backstop.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited April 2019
    williamglenn said:

    Groundhog Day.

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1121527732066713601?s=21

    These people really are focused only 1 step in front of themselves aren't they? It reminds of when I assumed people like JRM and co were capable of realising no Brexit was a possibility if they voted down the WA, especially as they were told that was possible, and yet at the time of MV2.5/3 they suddenly did vote for it precisely as no Brexit might happen if it did not pass. It turned out even when people were telling them what would come next they didn't know what would come next.

    And yet more proof that of that tendency with plans to just pretend the EU will ignore the backstop again, following the last plan which was May goes and then, magically, the problems go away.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited April 2019
    Compared to 2017 in Belle Vue

    Lab +4.1%
    LD +3.2%
    Con -12.3
    Greens +0.6
    UKIP +4.5 (from not standing)
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