It's a subtle balance, isn't it? I really like Eritrean food and I'd be quite pleased to get a text saying "You are just 500 metres from an Eritrean restaurant at High Road 43." Similarly I don't mind getting a moderate amount of spam on computer games as I'm interested in what's coming out. But personalising is intrusive in a very American way, like the staff in restaurants who say ,"Hi, I'm Cindy, and I'm gonna make sure you have a great time today!" It's the false chumminess that I react against, not the relevant information.
Oh, and more relevantly to here, I hate those political letters that are mock-personalised. "Nick, it's really important to vote next Thursday. We know you want to stop the Tories, Nick, and this is your chance to do it." Do they think we're idiots that we don't know about mail merge?
How many of those letters have you sent in your career, Nick?
Should be one-on-one between Jezza and Farage, as the top two parties in the polling. And a debate between the two of them would be in both men's interests I think.
She joined the Lib Dems just before the 2017 GE and Tim Farron expressed support for her to become their London Mayoral candidate in 2020. Siobhan Benita got there ahead of her.
Why she hasn't stuck with the LDs is odd - as she has more chance of becoming an MEP on their list.
Of course it will be interesting where all these people are placed on the ChuK list (and also for the other parties) - how many of these 'celebs' are in effect paper candidates (i.e. not top of the list in their region so unlikely to get elected) and are just there for the 5 week campaign/ego trip and how many actually want to be an MEP for 5 years?
Should be one-on-one between Jezza and Farage, as the top two parties in the polling. And a debate between the two of them would be in both men's interests I think.
She joined the Lib Dems just before the 2017 GE and Tim Farron expressed support for her to become their London Mayoral candidate in 2020. Siobhan Benita got there ahead of her.
Why she hasn't stuck with the LDs is odd - as she has more chance of becoming an MEP on their list.
Of course it will be interesting where all these people are placed on the ChuK list (and also for the other parties) - how many of these 'celebs' are in effect paper candidates (i.e. not top of the list in their region so unlikely to get elected) and are just there for the 5 week campaign/ego trip and how many actually want to be an MEP for 5 years?
I dare say they will win more MEPs than ChuK as they have a base and infrastructure - if you can top their list in several regions (e.g. London, south east, NW, Scotland and south west) you will probably get elected this time.
Latest on the Greens' willingness to ally with the Tiggers:
The Green party has dismissed Change UK as “a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit”. This is from Molly Scott Cato, who is standing for re-election as a Green MEP in the South West.
"Change UK are a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit. This is a re-branding exercise for former Conservative and Labour politicians who presided over cuts to public services and the relentless growth in inequality. And we have no idea which group in the European parliament any elected MEPs would join.
Greens on the other hand are the most electorally successful pro-EU party standing in this election and Green votes are more likely to send pro-EU MEPs to Brussels than votes for any other party. We are standing candidates in all 28 EU nations and polls suggest Greens will increase their number of MEPs."
It’s really quite simple. Brexit Party style National Conservatives aren’t fond of globalists and liberals. The Hard Left is not fond of the economic right. But Labour right now is more reliant on their voters than the Brexit Party coalition.
The biggest threat to the current Labour coalition is the liberal economic-right remainers being hived off. National Conservatives are viewed as less of an existential issue.
Go on George, you know you want to - join CUK......
I suspect George is more than content being a Churchill figure - on the fringes of Westminster politics for many years before returning later in life to save the nation in its hour of direst peril.
Go on George, you know you want to - join CUK......
I suspect George is more than content being a Churchill figure - on the fringes of Westminster politics for many years before returning later in life to save the nation in its hour of direst peril.
Latest on the Greens' willingness to ally with the Tiggers:
The Green party has dismissed Change UK as “a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit”. This is from Molly Scott Cato, who is standing for re-election as a Green MEP in the South West.
"Change UK are a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit. This is a re-branding exercise for former Conservative and Labour politicians who presided over cuts to public services and the relentless growth in inequality. And we have no idea which group in the European parliament any elected MEPs would join.
Greens on the other hand are the most electorally successful pro-EU party standing in this election and Green votes are more likely to send pro-EU MEPs to Brussels than votes for any other party. We are standing candidates in all 28 EU nations and polls suggest Greens will increase their number of MEPs."
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
Latest on the Greens' willingness to ally with the Tiggers:
The Green party has dismissed Change UK as “a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit”. This is from Molly Scott Cato, who is standing for re-election as a Green MEP in the South West.
"Change UK are a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit. This is a re-branding exercise for former Conservative and Labour politicians who presided over cuts to public services and the relentless growth in inequality. And we have no idea which group in the European parliament any elected MEPs would join.
Greens on the other hand are the most electorally successful pro-EU party standing in this election and Green votes are more likely to send pro-EU MEPs to Brussels than votes for any other party. We are standing candidates in all 28 EU nations and polls suggest Greens will increase their number of MEPs."
It was not that long ago that the Green Party of England and Wales was anti-EU.
Mind you, it also wasn't that long ago that Clegg was the only mainstream party leader calling for a referendum on whether to leave the EU (on the basis that it would "lance the boil" and mean that we'd stop talking about Europe).
For anyone wanting to play about with vote shares on a national/regional level for EURO 2019 and the resulting seat allocation, here is the tool you've been waiting for (NB - could be seriously addictive for political nerds).
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
Yes I'm sure there is a market for a Rogerdarmus Party!
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
Trouble is there’s a significant overlap in that respect with Labour and the Lib Dems.
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
You should try reversing that to see the attitude diehard leavers have towards remainers.
I see world No 1 Ronnie O Sullivan has just been knocked out in round 1 of the World Snooker championships - by the first ever amateur to make the main draw at the Crucible. Quite a major shock.
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
You should try reversing that to see the attitude diehard leavers have towards remainers.
They say the same sorts of things ...
Yes, but the Leave parties say what their supporters think. Chuka used to, but I doubt he will now.
I see world No 1 Ronnie O Sullivan has just been knocked out in round 1 of the World Snooker championships - by the first ever amateur to make the main draw at the Crucible. Quite a major shock.
50/1 on shot fails. Crucible does strange things to folk. Some go to pieces, as my tip did. Others play the game of their lives, against an admittedly out of sorts Ronnie.
It's a subtle balance, isn't it? I really like Eritrean food and I'd be quite pleased to get a text saying "You are just 500 metres from an Eritrean restaurant at High Road 43." Similarly I don't mind getting a moderate amount of spam on computer games as I'm interested in what's coming out. But personalising is intrusive in a very American way, like the staff in restaurants who say ,"Hi, I'm Cindy, and I'm gonna make sure you have a great time today!" It's the false chumminess that I react against, not the relevant information.
Oh, and more relevantly to here, I hate those political letters that are mock-personalised. "Nick, it's really important to vote next Thursday. We know you want to stop the Tories, Nick, and this is your chance to do it." Do they think we're idiots that we don't know about mail merge?
How many of those letters have you sent in your career, Nick?
None, so far as I can remember. I was always averse to using precooked letters from HQ.
An outside chance Trump had relatives fighting on the German side. A wonderful opportunity to heal the wounds of history by laying wreaths for the dead of both sides, let's just hope any Trump dead aren't in the SS section of the cemetery.
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
You should try reversing that to see the attitude diehard leavers have towards remainers.
They say the same sorts of things ...
Yes, but the Leave parties say what their supporters think. Chuka used to, but I doubt he will now.
I think you are slightly biased when you say that.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
The no-change party hace come along at completely the wrong time. While i personally dont think their apparently general philosophy is wrong, that isnt isnt the public want. They want change hence corbyn, trump, brexit and as technology starts to eat up more middle.class jobs that will only spread until somebody proposes sensible change.
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
You should try reversing that to see the attitude diehard leavers have towards remainers.
They say the same sorts of things ...
Yes, but the Leave parties say what their supporters think. Chuka used to, but I doubt he will now.
I think you are slightly biased when you say that.
To be fair, Lammy calls us Nazi's, Cameron Racists etc so maybe they do reflect their supporters, I take it back.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
Your knowledge of service life provides a unique enrichment to PB threads.
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
You should try reversing that to see the attitude diehard leavers have towards remainers.
They say the same sorts of things ...
Yes, but the Leave parties say what their supporters think. Chuka used to, but I doubt he will now.
I think you are slightly biased when you say that.
To be fair, Lammy calls us Nazi's, Cameron Racists etc so maybe they do reflect their supporters, I take it back.
No, I see it the other way: it's ridiculous to say that any party (of any size) says what their supporters think. For one thing parties are disparate bodies, often saying differing things to differing constituencies; the other is that the constituencies who vote for them can be radically different.
Difference is Brexit Party offers genuine change where-as Change UK is the ultimate status quo offer. A Party created by the elite for the elite....
Surely, given the attitude of a lot of diehard Remainers towards the Leave vote (Gammon, thick, racist, uneducated, poor, old), there is a target market an overtly snobbish and elitist party? People who love talking about how much they're worth and how morally superior they are would love it
You should try reversing that to see the attitude diehard leavers have towards remainers.
They say the same sorts of things ...
Yes, but the Leave parties say what their supporters think. Chuka used to, but I doubt he will now.
I think you are slightly biased when you say that.
To be fair, Lammy calls us Nazi's, Cameron Racists etc so maybe they do reflect their supporters, I take it back.
No, I see it the other way: it's ridiculous to say that any party (of any size) says what their supporters think. For one thing parties are disparate bodies, often saying differing things to differing constituencies; the other is that the constituencies who vote for them can be radically different.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
I am guessing that people think that as these people were willing to put their lives on the line for their country their moral compass and motivation for public office goes beyond simply what is it in for them.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
She joined the Lib Dems just before the 2017 GE and Tim Farron expressed support for her to become their London Mayoral candidate in 2020. Siobhan Benita got there ahead of her.
Why she hasn't stuck with the LDs is odd - as she has more chance of becoming an MEP on their list.
Of course it will be interesting where all these people are placed on the ChuK list (and also for the other parties) - how many of these 'celebs' are in effect paper candidates (i.e. not top of the list in their region so unlikely to get elected) and are just there for the 5 week campaign/ego trip and how many actually want to be an MEP for 5 years?
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
I am guessing that people think that as these people were willing to put their lives on the line for their country their moral compass and motivation for public office goes beyond simply what is it in for them.
Alternatively political apparatchiks hope voters will think as these people were willing to put their lives on the line for their country their moral compass and motivation for public office goes beyond simply what is it in for them.
Presumably thats a wealth tax. Which would lead to people having capital flowing out of the US.
Wealth Taxes are impossible unless you have capital controls.
The US already taxes the world-wide income of its citizens no matter where they reside. The IRS is very good at ferreting out overseas bank accounts and other assets. The biggest collateral damage from a wealth tax is likely to be ex-pat Americans as it would probably end up with FATCA on steroids with no overseas bank wanting to touch Americans, even those resident locally, with a bargepole.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
Your knowledge of service life provides a unique enrichment to PB threads.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
Isabel Oakeshott described it as “a real coup”. Hopefully not that real...
Presumably thats a wealth tax. Which would lead to people having capital flowing out of the US.
Wealth Taxes are impossible unless you have capital controls.
The US already taxes the world-wide income of its citizens no matter where they reside. The IRS is very good at ferreting out overseas bank accounts and other assets. The biggest collateral damage from a wealth tax is likely to be ex-pat Americans as it would probably end up with FATCA on steroids with no overseas bank wanting to touch Americans, even those resident locally, with a bargepole.
Americans in my part of the world ask for their bonuses and dividends in cash, thanks to the IRS. This is easy when there’s no personal income tax to deduct. Wealth taxes will have a whole pile of unintended consequences, and probably not raise half as much as their proponents think they will.
Your knowledge of service life provides a unique enrichment to PB threads.
So there I was in Baghdad while two fat gingers tried to fix a C130 for a flight back to Basra. I was waiting in Saddam Hussein International Airport with two scholars from the Royal Marines. One says to the other, "Do you want a fuckin Burger King?" His mate grunts. The first bootie disappears for quite a while and then returns with a Burger King bag. Bootie II digs into the bag and comes out with the burger box. Hilarity ensues when it transpires his mate has jettisoned the Whopper and shit in the box.
Off topic, a question for the PB crowd: any recommendations for reasonably priced hotels in central NY - somewhere around the 7th Ave/52nd street area or within easy walking distance?
2 former labour MPs: Roger Casale (Wimbledon, 1997-2015) and Jon Owen Jones (Cardiff Central, 1992-2015) 2 former Labour PPCs: Kate Godfrey (Stafford 2015, but I think she has already defected to LD a few years ago) and Victoria Groulef 1 former Labour MEP: Carole Tongue (80s and 90s)
1 former LD MEP: Diana Wallis (Yorkshire)
2 former Con MPs: Neil Carmichael (Stroud, 2005-15) and Stephen Dorrell (Loughborough/Charnwood 1979-2015)
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
Isabel Oakeshott described it as “a real coup”. Hopefully not that real...
Well you can see the difference in candidate offering - or at least who the BP and Chuk are promoting:
libertarian ex Revolutionary communist and free speech campaigner, NHS nurse and charity worker who came to this country as an immigrant from Malaysia, a charity director, an Asian academic, an army veteran who was awarded a medal for gallantry turned conservationist, two entrepeneurs, an expert on the fishing industry and a former director general of the British chamber of commerce. Not forgetting of course Lincolnshire house wife and mum married to an Iraq war veteran!
vs
two ex Tory MPs, a former BBC news journalist and Notting Hill remainer who became well know mainly due to her high profile brother and dad.
Presumably thats a wealth tax. Which would lead to people having capital flowing out of the US.
Wealth Taxes are impossible unless you have capital controls.
The US already taxes the world-wide income of its citizens no matter where they reside. The IRS is very good at ferreting out overseas bank accounts and other assets. The biggest collateral damage from a wealth tax is likely to be ex-pat Americans as it would probably end up with FATCA on steroids with no overseas bank wanting to touch Americans, even those resident locally, with a bargepole.
I know a very discerning bank that is delighted to work with Americans in the UK
2% annual wealth tax is pretty high by international standards
She’s also careful to avoid mentioning that it would need to be levied annually. So over 20 years it would expropriate more than half of someone’s wealth. Obviously that definitely won’t result in any changes in behaviour whatsoever..
2% annual wealth tax is pretty high by international standards
She’s also careful to avoid mentioning that it would need to be levied annually. So over 20 years it would expropriate more than half of someone’s wealth.
Only if that wealth did not appropriate any value.
Lewis at 10/1 seems like good value at this point, he’s in pole position to take a sixth title this year.
Raheem Sterling’s price will go out if MU beat MC on Wednesday night, cheered on by millions of his old club’s fans.
I know he won it in 2014 but doesn't Hamilton always underperform at SPOTY unless it's generally a boring year for UK sport? I fully accept that he's a fantastic driver but the worst fashion sense in sport apart, there seems to be a curious hole where a personality should be.
I'm quite interested in the tone of the Mail Online/Daily Mail towards The Brexit Party - which so far seems fairly supportive. Dacre gave oxygen to Farage, but would happily rip UKIP apart at elections to protect the Tory vote. Grieg is at least a soft Brexit supporter (if not a remainer) yet the Brexit Party (who do seem well organised and quite refreshing to many) are getting some very positive press.
I wonder if The Mail are building them up to tear them down, if Grieg ( a good friend of George Osborne) hates May so much he will support whoever it takes to oust her, or maybe he just sees The BP as a positive step in the realignment of politics.
I am really struggling to understand the new political fascination with ex-mil types. As if it qualifies you for anything but supplying a rich vein of stories that start, "So there I was..."
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
Isabel Oakeshott described it as “a real coup”. Hopefully not that real...
Well you can see the difference in candidate offering - or at least who the BP and Chuk are promoting:
libertarian ex Revolutionary communist and free speech campaigner, NHS nurse and charity worker who came to this country as an immigrant from Malaysia, a charity director, an Asian academic, an army veteran who was awarded a medal for gallantry turned conservationist, two entrepeneurs, an expert on the fishing industry and a former director general of the British chamber of commerce. Not forgetting of course Lincolnshire house wife and mum married to an Iraq war veteran!
vs
two ex Tory MPs, a former BBC news journalist and Notting Hill remainer who became well know mainly due to her high profile brother and dad.
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Jezza Vs Chuka Vs Farage would be fun (Theresa hiding behind the sofa as usual)
No contest surely?
The Green party has dismissed Change UK as “a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit”. This is from Molly Scott Cato, who is standing for re-election as a Green MEP in the South West.
"Change UK are a single-issue party with no coherent policy platform beyond opposing Brexit. This is a re-branding exercise for former Conservative and Labour politicians who presided over cuts to public services and the relentless growth in inequality. And we have no idea which group in the European parliament any elected MEPs would join.
Greens on the other hand are the most electorally successful pro-EU party standing in this election and Green votes are more likely to send pro-EU MEPs to Brussels than votes for any other party. We are standing candidates in all 28 EU nations and polls suggest Greens will increase their number of MEPs."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/apr/23/brexit-latest-news-developments-theresa-may-chairs-cabinet-as-mps-return-to-commons-and-brexit-deadlock-continues-live-news
The biggest threat to the current Labour coalition is the liberal economic-right remainers being hived off. National Conservatives are viewed as less of an existential issue.
https://icon.cat/util/elections
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48022800
They say the same sorts of things ...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/snooker/47310951
These guys offered to "Take Back Control"
What the fuck happened to that?
https://twitter.com/brianspanner1/status/746488316510482433
https://twitter.com/LadPolitics/status/1120655309293391872
What's with all the F-Bombs from you these days?
You come across as very undignified just lately...
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1120498568622739459
A wonderful opportunity to heal the wounds of history by laying wreaths for the dead of both sides, let's just hope any Trump dead aren't in the SS section of the cemetery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A
That ex-bootie has bound to have wanked a dog off or similar RM jape at some point...
Wealth Taxes are impossible unless you have capital controls.
It's also a rather dangerous road to go down.
https://www.vox.com/videos/2019/3/5/18249732/wealth-tax-better-way-rich
Raheem Sterling’s price will go out if MU beat MC on Wednesday night, cheered on by millions of his old club’s fans.
Plus Gavin Esler lead in London.
NW, NE and SE lead candidates are pretty unimpressive to be honest.
Thanks.
VM is fine, to avoid clogging up the thread.
2 former labour MPs: Roger Casale (Wimbledon, 1997-2015) and Jon Owen Jones (Cardiff Central, 1992-2015)
2 former Labour PPCs: Kate Godfrey (Stafford 2015, but I think she has already defected to LD a few years ago) and Victoria Groulef
1 former Labour MEP: Carole Tongue (80s and 90s)
1 former LD MEP: Diana Wallis (Yorkshire)
2 former Con MPs: Neil Carmichael (Stroud, 2005-15) and Stephen Dorrell (Loughborough/Charnwood 1979-2015)
1 sitting Con MEP: Richard Ashworth
libertarian ex Revolutionary communist and free speech campaigner, NHS nurse and charity worker who came to this country as an immigrant from Malaysia, a charity director, an Asian academic, an army veteran who was awarded a medal for gallantry turned conservationist, two entrepeneurs, an expert on the fishing industry and a former director general of the British chamber of commerce. Not forgetting of course Lincolnshire house wife and mum married to an Iraq war veteran!
vs
two ex Tory MPs, a former BBC news journalist and Notting Hill remainer who became well know mainly due to her high profile brother and dad.
No contest really!
I know he won it in 2014 but doesn't Hamilton always underperform at SPOTY unless it's generally a boring year for UK sport? I fully accept that he's a fantastic driver but the worst fashion sense in sport apart, there seems to be a curious hole where a personality should be.
I wonder if The Mail are building them up to tear them down, if Grieg ( a good friend of George Osborne) hates May so much he will support whoever it takes to oust her, or maybe he just sees The BP as a positive step in the realignment of politics.