Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That's an interesting choice. I'd argue that 'the Summer of Love' was a disaster for women, and that it took a couple of decades for real rights for women to start happening.
The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
My panels are producing 3KW at the moment but I'm no Green. I've had them for eight years so I'm getting a reasonable return. Fortunately, it coincided with retirement, a lump sum being available and ludicrously generous terms.
It's my guilty pleasure. Screwing the tax-payer because of Ed M's obsession with bringing in renewables at any cost. And solar makes sense. But I fear ambition will outrun common sense in the short term as it always does.
Easter greetings for all and it's certainly a glorious day weather-wise in this part of lowland East London.
The environmental issue is complex and multi-faceted - I suppose it comes down to the premise that those who have yet to see the full prosperity of capitalism want it whether it be a nice house, a nice car, holidays - the whole "American" lifestyle. The problem is that lifestyle has in the past been purchased by the ruthless exploitation of the planet and the pollution of its land, water and air.
There's nothing wrong in wanting a better life and especially in wanting a better life for your children - it's human nature. Yet as a planet and a species we cannot afford for that lifestyle to be provided via the environmental pillaging of our planet and its resources.
The challenge for the developed world is to spread prosperity and a better life without damaging the world irreversibly in the process. Climate change affects us all whether the effects are immediate or not. Even if Britain does well from a warmer world, millions of people whose lives will be adversely affected will perhaps see Britain as a place of prosperity or refuge.
In short, how do we improve the lives of all without at the same thing destroying the lives of millions? I'm convinced the answers exist and are out there but a lot of it is political will - how do you alleviate the pollution of Mongolia's capital if cleaner coal is more expensive than raw unprocessed coal?
Do we think if Beto O'Rourke came out as gay, learned Norwegian and played the piano he might regain the hearts of posters on this site and in the media. Maybe he needs to re find his inner Irish American?
How can you go from hero to zero in a few weeks?
This Democratic primary season feels like its already been going for ever and the first debate isn't until the end of June. What can Roberto do to save his campaign. And how long will it take for Pete B to fall from grace too?
Of course this time four years ago Scott Walker was leading the Republican primary polls - what happened to him - and the actual winner was two months away from entering the race? There is a long way to go.......
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That was either '67 or' 87 wasn't it?
Personally I think human extinction unlikely even with 6 degree temperature rises by the end of the century, though there would be multiple extinctions of other less adaptible species. Civilisational and cultural collapse is very possible though, with multiple failed states across the globe.
I am not sure Rio Tinto is the best investment to exploit the boom in electric vehicles and renewables. I favour Antofagasta and S32. Consumerist Capitalism is part of the problem, but astute capitalists will make good money out of the solution too.
I agree with your last clause, except it will be 'solutions' rather than 'solution'.
Climate change is just one of many threats facing modern society, yet alone humanity itself. Effort needs to be made to make ourselves more robust against all of the threats. Sadly, we're currently making ourselves more susceptible, not less.
But asteroid strikes or Carrington Events are not as sexy as climate change, and do not have political heft behind them.
Then there's the political aspect to climate change: some people - mostly on the left - see the cause as a way of changing politics more to their liking. That is crass and utterly self-defeating.
"Many years ago I was told about a study that suggested from digging the components up to scrap page, a Toyota Prius had a bigger carbon footprint than a Land Rover Discovery. It seems plausible"
Yes, I remember that. It is both the nasty components that go into it (much of which can't be recycled at end of life) and also all that extra weight for the batteries means that the car is massively inefficient in petrol mode.
You are better off just driving a modern small petrol car that these days are incredibly good on MPG.
Don't forget as well, electrical cars are only 'green' if the power used is generated by renewables. And even on the windiest, warmest days when all the rivers are full, I don't think we can top half of generation from renewable sources. So much might come from nuclear (OK, no greenhouse gases but hardly environmentally friendly) or gas. And as gas generation isn't a terribly efficient way of creating power compared to an oil fuel engine, they might well be using more carbon to drive themselves than petrol engines do.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
Kamala Harris’s price is an enduring mystery. But Nate Silver rates her chances so what do I know?
If the price seems too short it’s probably because a high profile forecaster rates her, no?
Probably. I’m very wary about taking a position against such a strong expert on his home turf. I’m probably missing something
Harris is considered strong because she appeals to a broad coalition: African Americans, women and mainstream Democrats. She's a good performer too. But it's still very early.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
What exactly do they expect Mrs May to do solve climate change - she can't even deliver Brexit let alone get Washington, Brasilia, Beijing, Moscow or Delhi to change their policies.
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
Good afternoon, my fellow planet-destroying capitalist scumbags.
When I think of all those resources that went into your giant space cannon I weep I tell you.
It was for the greater good. What I want to know is did comrade Dancer sufficiently cover the exhaust port?
No. But it would take a talented pilot in a snub fighter to hit a very small target whilst travelling at speed under attack. So we're obviously entirely safe then...
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That's an interesting choice. I'd argue that 'the Summer of Love' was a disaster for women, and that it took a couple of decades for real rights for women to start happening.
The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
Why? It was about women having the same sexual freedom men had always had. Partly because of contraception but also because of the moral straight jacket they no longer had to inhabit.
Can we stop doing one thing when it comes to who will win the WH in 2020, please.
Can we stop saying such and such has no chance to win because of X quality or the like.
If we've (hopefully) learnt one thing about American politics over the years is unless they are disqualified by law then literally *anyone* has a chance to be President.
Past performance is not a predictor of future results for this specific contest, it seems.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Mr. Walker, all sorts of odd things go into and out of fashion. It's usually not moving from the wrongness of an archaic past to the rightness of the Age of Being Correct, it's just the natural ebb and flow of change that always occurs.
And those people being so horrified will be as wrong as those who seek to impose 21st century standards on the past and inflict the prism of prejudice on history.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That's an interesting choice. I'd argue that 'the Summer of Love' was a disaster for women, and that it took a couple of decades for real rights for women to start happening.
The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
Why? It was about women having the same sexual freedom men had always had. Partly because of contraception but also because of the moral straight jacket they no longer had to inhabit.
But not all men behaved in that way. In the 1950s many guys remained celibate until marriage. Indeed even today I think it unlikely that seriously religious people active in local churches etc would agree with fornication.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That's an interesting choice. I'd argue that 'the Summer of Love' was a disaster for women, and that it took a couple of decades for real rights for women to start happening.
The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
Why? It was about women having the same sexual freedom men had always had. Partly because of contraception but also because of the moral straight jacket they no longer had to inhabit.
But not all men behaved in that way. In the 1950s many guys remained celibate until marriage. Indeed even today I think it unlikely that seriously religious people active in local churches etc would have little time for fornication.
A social standard of monogamy is actually an egalitarian position. Humans are by nature a polygamous species. A free for all hookup culture benefits high status, attractive men at the top and disadvantages most other men and also high status women. It has also caused a large rise in anxiety and reduction in life contentment, just as laissez faire economics does.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
It means we are all going to be plagued by porn ads once the Google and Facebook tracking cookies and AI get to work on this thread.
Holy crap I looked at it on work computer not realising what it was.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I'm surprised that brother/sister isn't more popular in the Deep South.
Porn has to be a fantasy.
Is the number one term in Yeovil "technological solutions"?
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That's an interesting choice. I'd argue that 'the Summer of Love' was a disaster for women, and that it took a couple of decades for real rights for women to start happening.
The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
Why? It was about women having the same sexual freedom men had always had. Partly because of contraception but also because of the moral straight jacket they no longer had to inhabit.
But not all men behaved in that way. In the 1950s many guys remained celibate until marriage. Indeed even today I think it unlikely that seriously religious people active in local churches etc would have little time for fornication.
Agreed. Finding a churchgoer who refrains from fornication is unlikely.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
Rob, sounds like you are turnip-phobic, you are turning into Jeremy C.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
Rob, sounds like you are turnip-phobic, you are turning into Jeremy C.
Did I mention that I didn’t like that sort of thing?
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
Rob, sounds like you are turnip-phobic, you are turning into Jeremy C.
Did I mention that I didn’t like that sort of thing?
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I think it roughly translates as someone who does unspeakable things with turnips.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Agree, I cannot feel sorry for London, they would steal all our money and build all the infrastucture there, so what do they expect. Come to the countryside where 3 cars is a traffic jam.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
What exactly do they expect Mrs May to do solve climate change - she can't even deliver Brexit let alone get Washington, Brasilia, Beijing, Moscow or Delhi to change their policies.
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
A gay man winning over the key swing states , good luck with that .
Good luck with fundamentalist christians voting for a serial liar and adulterer, something literally against the ten commandments, except that is what happened. It can be dangerous to place your bets on the basis of your prejudice about voters' prejudices.
I don't think even hardline evangelicals are that bothered by a bit of botty action these days.
For all your US statistical porn action (probably nsfw).
OK, there's always a problem with stats like this. Pornhub et al users are not representative of the wider population, and you cant jump from "the biggest term searched for by pornhub users in California is "lesbian"" to "people in California are into lesbian porn". Also some of the stats aren't really useful: the most rapidly gaining search term by users in Washington State is "hentai", and the usefulness of this is...um? One should invest in tentacle futures? Pantie stocks?
(Don't google it btw)
However I did like the terms that states searched for more often in comparison with other states. It's almost applicable and you can really use it to reinforce your prejudices: "Hey, Confederate states! So you search for "black girl white guy" more often than Union states, huh? Yeah, we gotcha guys! Uh, huh..."
But i would have preferred numbers as well are graphics. I've spoken of "the tyranny of percentages" frequently, and I would have liked absolute numbers as well as relative ones.
What does Hentai even mean
I'm surprised that brother/sister isn't more popular in the Deep South.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Agree, I cannot feel sorry for London, they would steal all our money and build all the infrastucture there, so what do they expect. Come to the countryside where 3 cars is a traffic jam.
Agree. Gardenwalker talks of “the growing range and availability of vegan food in your local supermarket”.
In rural Wales, the “local supermarket” is 50 miles away.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Agree, I cannot feel sorry for London, they would steal all our money and build all the infrastucture there, so what do they expect. Come to the countryside where 3 cars is a traffic jam.
Agree. Gardenwalker talks of “the growing range and availability of vegan food in your local supermarket”.
In rural Wales, the “local supermarket” is 50 miles away.
I bet no public transport service either, or at best one bus a day.
Can we stop doing one thing when it comes to who will win the WH in 2020, please.
Can we stop saying such and such has no chance to win because of X quality or the like.
If we've (hopefully) learnt one thing about American politics over the years is unless they are disqualified by law then literally *anyone* has a chance to be President.
Past performance is not a predictor of future results for this specific contest, it seems.
Very relevant observation. After the Donald, anybody surely.
Which got me thinking about how times have changed in American politics.
Almost 60 years ago, a young JFK, teeth akimbo, hair gleaming and all his own, surfing to the WH on a wave of idealism. "The torch has passed to a new generation of Americans. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. If not us, who? If not now, when?"
Fast forward to today and it's a rancid old geezer with stirring stuff like "Lock her up! I beat China all the time. I have a great relationship with the blacks."
And serious debate raging as to what puerile nickname he will come up with for his next opponent.
Will it, perchance, be 'Buttplug'?
Now I'm a believer in the idea that things mostly progress rather than regress, but this is food for thought. Perhaps I am wrong.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
What exactly do they expect Mrs May to do solve climate change - she can't even deliver Brexit let alone get Washington, Brasilia, Beijing, Moscow or Delhi to change their policies.
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
Sort of proves my point - try protesting in Beijing if you really want to prevent climate change as China has nearly two thirds of the world's supply of them!
Still there is apparently a coal fired power station in Bayswater - Bayswater in New South Wales that is!
It seems that 'reaching out' is only supposed to happen from one side.
What do you mean? LA is simply pointing out the obvious that if Brexit is important to you, Labour isn't the best vehicle to achieve your wishes. It would be good if we could reach out to one another and become less divided as a country, but if you want something you still need to vote for the party that will deliver it most effectively.
You will be even more unhappy on Sunday - as your local Waitrose will be closed all day for the same reason!
Which is why I was there this morning...
It's always fun to go on Easter Sunday morning to watch all the people who turn up and are amazed and confused.
A bit like Mary Magdalene and the gals must have felt when they turned up on Easter Sunday in the year AD0 at the tomb and found there was no one there.
Perhaps your local village group could re-enact that scene outside your local Waitrose this Sunday - and provide free tea and coffee from a vending machine for the amazed crowds afterwards?
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
We adapt as a species, but that doesn't mean millions of individuals won't die horribly in droughts and famines because, for example, we won't transship those who lose on the swings of African droughts to win on the roundabouts of, e.g., a suddenly more fertile Greenland.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Plenty of vegan stuff in the supermarkets in Leicester. Not just in Waitrose either, even the Co op and Lidl have good ranges.
The problem at present is that business does not pay for the externals of their pollution, whether CO2, particulate or plastic. Start charging supermarkets etc landfill tax on packaging, rather than the householder.
I am surprised that you are so untroubled by species going extinct, as I thought you were rather fond of natural history.
You will be even more unhappy on Sunday - as your local Waitrose will be closed all day for the same reason!
Which is why I was there this morning...
It's always fun to go on Easter Sunday morning to watch all the people who turn up and are amazed and confused.
It is extraordinary to think that the big supermarkets were banned by law from opening on ALL Sundays not so long ago.
I am surprised that after the 24/7 opening for the London Olympics that wasn't continued. I know Sainsburys boss wasn't keen, but the other big supermarkets embraced it (and they have people in there all the time anyway, plus of course the distribution centres).
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
We adapt as a species, but that doesn't mean millions of individuals won't die horribly in droughts and famines because, for example, we won't transship those who lose on the swings of African droughts to win on the roundabouts of, e.g., a suddenly more fertile Greenland.
As long as we don't mind a couple of billion Africans, Bengalis etc relocating to our northerly climes, and changing our crops, wildlife, buildings and lifestyle, we have nothing to fear from a few more degrees of global warming.
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
We adapt as a species, but that doesn't mean millions of individuals won't die horribly in droughts and famines because, for example, we won't transship those who lose on the swings of African droughts to win on the roundabouts of, e.g., a suddenly more fertile Greenland.
Time for some physics.
Global warming does not make Africa, or in fact warm seasons in temperate zones, much hotter.
For good physical reasons, greenhouse gas warming occurs chiefly in arctic and sub-arctic regions and in temperate zones during winter.
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
Serious stuff is being done about climate change by governments and companies, just not enough. Climate Change will not be good for humanity. Some areas will gain but most will get worse. Sea level rise (caused mostly by warmer water expanding, but also by ice melting) will create millions of refugees in places like Bangla Desh. Some areas will become uninhabitable. There were many fewer humans when they conquered the world, nowadays if nothing is done there will be less land for many more people to live on.
Closer to home, here's a quote from a government study on sea level rise:
"Box 1: Estimating total assets at risk A Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology (POST) briefing note states that “£120 billion worth of infrastructure and resources [are] at risk from coastal flooding and a further £10 billion … from coastal erosion" (POST 2010). These estimates derive from a report produced for Defra 16 years ago, which estimates the capital value of all assets at risk, in England and Wales only, at £132.2 billion from coastal flooding (of which 98 per cent is residential and commercial property and 2 per cent agricultural land, with £81.3 billion in the Thames region exposed to up to a 0.5 per cent annual chance of flooding) and an additional £7.7 billion at risk from coastal erosion (Defra 2001). In other words, the values in POST 2010 are underestimates and out of date. A still widely cited estimate of £150 billion (e.g. Haigh et al. 2015) also appears to derive from the 2001 report." https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/663885/Future_of_the_sea_-_sea_level_rise.pdf
It's cheaper to spend money now to tackle climate change.
The pollution causing climate change is a result of the global capitalist economic system, which was built on the legacy of colonialism. Children in British schools are not taught about the horrors perpetuated by the British empire and this is a horrible canker sitting at the heart of British culture.
Since the rest of it had been similarly patronising and incoherent bollocks, and was presumably just as wrong, I gave up. A typical apologia by somebody who doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.
It was especially amusing to note them citing Erica Chenoweth and overlooking the obvious point of her work (which is not, contra the Wikipedia article, universally acclaimed) - that such campaigns as this one with limited support using quasi-violent methods do not generally work.
Children are definitely taught about the empire as a bad thing for starters.
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
We adapt as a species, but that doesn't mean millions of individuals won't die horribly in droughts and famines because, for example, we won't transship those who lose on the swings of African droughts to win on the roundabouts of, e.g., a suddenly more fertile Greenland.
Time for some physics.
Global warming does not make Africa, or in fact warm seasons in temperate zones, much hotter.
For good physical reasons, greenhouse gas warming occurs chiefly in arctic and sub-arctic regions and in temperate zones during winter.
... and warmer water expands and ice melts - and sea level rises. (Some more physics!)
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
What exactly do they expect Mrs May to do solve climate change - she can't even deliver Brexit let alone get Washington, Brasilia, Beijing, Moscow or Delhi to change their policies.
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
Sort of proves my point - try protesting in Beijing if you really want to prevent climate change as China has nearly two thirds of the world's supply of them!
Still there is apparently a coal fired power station in Bayswater - Bayswater in New South Wales that is!
China has a massive renewables programme, indeed mass production of photovoltaic cells there is what has driven down prices for the rest of us. Still plenty of scope for improvement, but isn't that the case everywhere?
Anyway, I have a magnificent white rose in my garden - Mme Alfred Carriere. It is in truth a little too big as it climbs up higher than my modest trellis can support but it is such an easy unfussy rose - with never any problems - and blooms continuously well into November.
The earliest it has come into flower has been April 23rd a few years ago. But today I have beaten that record: it has flowered today.
**beams with pride**
Plus I have lots of white and blue muscari at the back of the garden, which is even more of a surprise given the greedy thieving squirrel which was forever rootling around there.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Plenty of vegan stuff in the supermarkets in Leicester. Not just in Waitrose either, even the Co op and Lidl have good ranges.
I quite enjoy the Waitrose vegan range - as its normally reduced in price on its sell by date unlike their non Vegan stuffvas it doesn't sell. And thats at their stores in Islington and the Barbican!
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
We adapt as a species, but that doesn't mean millions of individuals won't die horribly in droughts and famines because, for example, we won't transship those who lose on the swings of African droughts to win on the roundabouts of, e.g., a suddenly more fertile Greenland.
Time for some physics.
Global warming does not make Africa, or in fact warm seasons in temperate zones, much hotter.
For good physical reasons, greenhouse gas warming occurs chiefly in arctic and sub-arctic regions and in temperate zones during winter.
So your case is that in no scenario whatever will climate changes lead to drought occurring anywhere in Africa in say the next 50 years? I don't believe you know very much about the modelling of chaotic systems. And my wider point remains, that it's a bit Pollyanna to suggest that everything is tickety boo because "we" as a species will survive.
Eating less meat is fine. I eat it no more than once a week in any case. But I could never be a vegan. Eating pasta without parmigiano is an abomination, almost as bad as having a coffee with.....
Oh never mind, it is a gorgeous day and the sunny terrace awaits.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
What exactly do they expect Mrs May to do solve climate change - she can't even deliver Brexit let alone get Washington, Brasilia, Beijing, Moscow or Delhi to change their policies.
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
Sort of proves my point - try protesting in Beijing if you really want to prevent climate change as China has nearly two thirds of the world's supply of them!
Still there is apparently a coal fired power station in Bayswater - Bayswater in New South Wales that is!
China has a massive renewables programme, indeed mass production of photovoltaic cells there is what has driven down prices for the rest of us. Still plenty of scope for improvement, but isn't that the case everywhere?
You will forgive me, won’t you, if I confess to having also an exquisitely red rose later in the season - a rosa moyesi (similar to a briar rose). It flowers only for 2 weeks but the roses are so beautiful that it is worth it and they then turn into the most lovely orange rosehips which light up the garden in the autumn.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Plenty of vegan stuff in the supermarkets in Leicester. Not just in Waitrose either, even the Co op and Lidl have good ranges.
The problem at present is that business does not pay for the externals of their pollution, whether CO2, particulate or plastic. Start charging supermarkets etc landfill tax on packaging, rather than the householder.
I am surprised that you are so untroubled by species going extinct, as I thought you were rather fond of natural history.
There's plenty of vegan stuff in every supermarket - fruit, veg, bread, pasta, most of the stuff in tins and cardboard boxes.
But that's real food and doesn't allow you to virtue signal by buying something with a vegan label on it.
. Closer to home, here's a quote from a government study on sea level rise:
"Box 1: Estimating total assets at risk A Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology (POST) briefing note states that “£120 billion worth of infrastructure and resources [are] at risk from coastal flooding and a further £10 billion … from coastal erosion" (POST 2010). These estimates derive from a report produced for Defra 16 years ago, which estimates the capital value of all assets at risk, in England and Wales only, at £132.2 billion from coastal flooding (of which 98 per cent is residential and commercial property and 2 per cent agricultural land, with £81.3 billion in the Thames region exposed to up to a 0.5 per cent annual chance of flooding) and an additional £7.7 billion at risk from coastal erosion (Defra 2001). In other words, the values in POST 2010 are underestimates and out of date. A still widely cited estimate of £150 billion (e.g. Haigh et al. 2015) also appears to derive from the 2001 report." https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/663885/Future_of_the_sea_-_sea_level_rise.pdf
It's cheaper to spend money now to tackle climate change.
I am interested in scientific arguments. I am not interested in "quotes from government study”, other than for humour value.
The Earth reflects 30% of its incident sunlight. Increasing or decreasing this by one percentage point would produce a cooling or warming equal in magnitude to the warming from pre-industrial times to the present, negating or doubling the effect of anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
No one understands why the Earth actually reflects 30%, and not 31% or 32%.
Scientific research to understand this point, and how it can be controlled seems valuable to me.
Technological advances that will mitigate most of the effects of anthropogenic gas emission are very likely. These can happen very fast under the stimulus of an emergency. The theory & technology of nuclear fission was developed in the Manhattan Project in about 3 years driven by the terrible fear that the Germans would get there first.
Emissions from developing countries will rise rapidly because so many sources (travel, electric power, infrastructure that requires carbon emission to build) are things people buy more of as they become more prosperous.
People in poorer countries especially will see the hypocrisy of richer countries lecturing them that they can’t have what the West has already got. Climate protesters need to understand that people are going to give up air travel, or cars, or air-conditioning for a scientific theory, even a right one.
We should get used to the climate change protesters. This issue is only going to rise up the agenda as the globe continues to warm and weather gets more unpredictable.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
Perhaps in London.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
Plenty of vegan stuff in the supermarkets in Leicester. Not just in Waitrose either, even the Co op and Lidl have good ranges.
I quite enjoy the Waitrose vegan range - as its normally reduced in price on its sell by date unlike their non Vegan stuffvas it doesn't sell. And thats at their stores in Islington and the Barbican!
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
What exactly do they expect Mrs May to do solve climate change - she can't even deliver Brexit let alone get Washington, Brasilia, Beijing, Moscow or Delhi to change their policies.
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
Sort of proves my point - try protesting in Beijing if you really want to prevent climate change as China has nearly two thirds of the world's supply of them!
Still there is apparently a coal fired power station in Bayswater - Bayswater in New South Wales that is!
China has a massive renewables programme, indeed mass production of photovoltaic cells there is what has driven down prices for the rest of us. Still plenty of scope for improvement, but isn't that the case everywhere?
It's cheaper to spend money now to tackle climate change.
I am interested in scientific arguments. I am not interested in "quotes from government study”, other than for humour value.
The Earth reflects 30% of its incident sunlight. Increasing or decreasing this by one percentage point would produce a cooling or warming equal in magnitude to the warming from pre-industrial times to the present, negating or doubling the effect of anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
No one understands why the Earth actually reflects 30%, and not 31% or 32%.
Scientific research to understand this point, and how it can be controlled seems valuable to me.
Technological advances that will mitigate most of the effects of anthropogenic gas emission are very likely. These can happen very fast under the stimulus of an emergency. The theory & technology of nuclear fission was developed in the Manhattan Project in about 3 years driven by the terrible fear that the Germans would get there first.
Emissions from developing countries will rise rapidly because so many sources (travel, electric power, infrastructure that requires carbon emission to build) are things people buy more of as they become more prosperous.
People in poorer countries especially will see the hypocrisy of richer countries lecturing them that they can’t have what the West has already got. Climate protesters need to understand that people are going to give up air travel, or cars, or air-conditioning for a scientific theory, even a right one.
Especially a right one.
Did you read it "Foresight – Future of the Sea, Evidence Review, Foresight, Government Office for Science"? I contend that it contains "scientific arguments". "Technological advances" need to be encouraged by government - they need to provide an environment where we move away fossil fuels. We have made technological advances already and are implementing them, the amount of energy from renewables is an example, but still the CO2 level goes up. It's time the problem was taken more seriously - maybe a Manhattan Climate project as you suggest.
Some are no doubt hypocrites, but but others may well be eco saints. That is the problem of a decentralised activist movement. Anyone can join.
I do not agree with their methods but salute their commitment to make the government take the issue seriously. Brexit is the cuckoo that has forced other important issues out of the nest.
I don't know if you saw this more nuanced critique of their methods:
It really doesn't matter whether the cause has merit or not. Demos designed to make the world a better place have the spin off of making us a more caring people and more likely to face off the dark and ugly forces of Trump and his ilk. The 50th Anniversary of of te Summer of Love seems an appropriate time.
That's an interesting choice. I'd argue that 'the Summer of Love' was a disaster for women, and that it took a couple of decades for real rights for women to start happening.
The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
Why? It was about women having the same sexual freedom men had always had. Partly because of contraception but also because of the moral straight jacket they no longer had to inhabit.
Because societal values still had not changed. Whilst I am very much in favour of family planning, the pill etc, relationships are about more than sex. Far too many women (and some men) were used and abused in that period, with no-consequence sex meaning little chance of getting pregnant, but allowing some horribly abusive relationships.
True equality is about women being able to say no and the men accepting it politely (and vice versa). As the Me-Too movement shows, in some industries - such as Hollywood - we're still a long way away from that.
(Note: I wasn't around in that period, but this is from what I've read and anecdotal evidence).
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The 'Summer of Love' was much more advantageous for men rather than women.
It's my guilty pleasure. Screwing the tax-payer because of Ed M's obsession with bringing in renewables at any cost. And solar makes sense. But I fear ambition will outrun common sense in the short term as it always does.
Easter greetings for all and it's certainly a glorious day weather-wise in this part of lowland East London.
The environmental issue is complex and multi-faceted - I suppose it comes down to the premise that those who have yet to see the full prosperity of capitalism want it whether it be a nice house, a nice car, holidays - the whole "American" lifestyle. The problem is that lifestyle has in the past been purchased by the ruthless exploitation of the planet and the pollution of its land, water and air.
There's nothing wrong in wanting a better life and especially in wanting a better life for your children - it's human nature. Yet as a planet and a species we cannot afford for that lifestyle to be provided via the environmental pillaging of our planet and its resources.
The challenge for the developed world is to spread prosperity and a better life without damaging the world irreversibly in the process. Climate change affects us all whether the effects are immediate or not. Even if Britain does well from a warmer world, millions of people whose lives will be adversely affected will perhaps see Britain as a place of prosperity or refuge.
In short, how do we improve the lives of all without at the same thing destroying the lives of millions? I'm convinced the answers exist and are out there but a lot of it is political will - how do you alleviate the pollution of Mongolia's capital if cleaner coal is more expensive than raw unprocessed coal?
How can you go from hero to zero in a few weeks?
This Democratic primary season feels like its already been going for ever and the first debate isn't until the end of June. What can Roberto do to save his campaign. And how long will it take for Pete B to fall from grace too?
Of course this time four years ago Scott Walker was leading the Republican primary polls - what happened to him - and the actual winner was two months away from entering the race? There is a long way to go.......
Climate change is just one of many threats facing modern society, yet alone humanity itself. Effort needs to be made to make ourselves more robust against all of the threats. Sadly, we're currently making ourselves more susceptible, not less.
But asteroid strikes or Carrington Events are not as sexy as climate change, and do not have political heft behind them.
Then there's the political aspect to climate change: some people - mostly on the left - see the cause as a way of changing politics more to their liking. That is crass and utterly self-defeating.
It is entirely possible to provide the globe’s energy need from renewable resources; it will just take a great deal of work. Though it is affordable.
This recent report discusses at length what might be required:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320934766_Global_Energy_System_based_on_100_Renewable_Energy_-_Power_Sector
What would be edgy is to stage a demo in Beijing or Moscow or Rio or Mumbai - not liberal western cities with liberal Mayors and soft policing like San Francisco or London. China will have built 150 new airports before we dig the first hole for the next Heathrow runway. Now a sit down protest in Tiananmen square really would be edgy!
Bar banning all foreign air travel except of course for climate change 'activists' and Celebs - one way I suppose to solve freedom of movement - and turning London into a large vegetable garden I haven't heard many practical solutions bar 'we must do something'?
https://www.google.com/search?q=woodstock+photos&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjczY34qdzhAhXNPOwKHVvYC5AQsAR6BAgGEAE&biw=1162&bih=726
Can we stop doing one thing when it comes to who will win the WH in 2020, please.
Can we stop saying such and such has no chance to win because of X quality or the like.
If we've (hopefully) learnt one thing about American politics over the years is unless they are disqualified by law then literally *anyone* has a chance to be President.
Past performance is not a predictor of future results for this specific contest, it seems.
Veganism has gone from being freakishly alternative to bordering on meanstream (check out the growing range and availability in your local supermarket), and as someone said upthread, we will, in a generation, be utterly horrified that we let petrol- and diesel-powered cars dominate our cities and poison our children.
And those people being so horrified will be as wrong as those who seek to impose 21st century standards on the past and inflict the prism of prejudice on history.
https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1119188159470895105
Nothing serious will be done about global warming, no matter how many demonstrations. It is beyond the grasp of politicians.
It may be good for humanity by lengthening growing seasons; it may be bad for humanity if weather patterns, particularly rainfall, change for the worse.
Humans conquered the globe because they adapted, in prehistoric times, to climates from the Rift Valley to the Sahara to the Arctic.
We will adapt to a warmer Earth.
But for the rest of us its just something to smile about.
In rural Wales, the “local supermarket” is 50 miles away.
Which got me thinking about how times have changed in American politics.
Almost 60 years ago, a young JFK, teeth akimbo, hair gleaming and all his own, surfing to the WH on a wave of idealism. "The torch has passed to a new generation of Americans. Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. If not us, who? If not now, when?"
Fast forward to today and it's a rancid old geezer with stirring stuff like "Lock her up! I beat China all the time. I have a great relationship with the blacks."
And serious debate raging as to what puerile nickname he will come up with for his next opponent.
Will it, perchance, be 'Buttplug'?
Now I'm a believer in the idea that things mostly progress rather than regress, but this is food for thought. Perhaps I am wrong.
Still there is apparently a coal fired power station in Bayswater - Bayswater in New South Wales that is!
Which is why I was there this morning...
It's always fun to go on Easter Sunday morning to watch all the people who turn up and are amazed and confused.
Perhaps your local village group could re-enact that scene outside your local Waitrose this Sunday - and provide free tea and coffee from a vending machine for the amazed crowds afterwards?
The problem at present is that business does not pay for the externals of their pollution, whether CO2, particulate or plastic. Start charging supermarkets etc landfill tax on packaging, rather than the householder.
I am surprised that you are so untroubled by species going extinct, as I thought you were rather fond of natural history.
Global warming does not make Africa, or in fact warm seasons in temperate zones, much hotter.
For good physical reasons, greenhouse gas warming occurs chiefly in arctic and sub-arctic regions and in temperate zones during winter.
Climate Change will not be good for humanity. Some areas will gain but most will get worse. Sea level rise (caused mostly by warmer water expanding, but also by ice melting) will create millions of refugees in places like Bangla Desh.
Some areas will become uninhabitable. There were many fewer humans when they conquered the world, nowadays if nothing is done there will be less land for many more people to live on.
Closer to home, here's a quote from a government study on sea level rise:
"Box 1: Estimating total assets at risk
A Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology (POST) briefing note states that “£120 billion
worth of infrastructure and resources [are] at risk from coastal flooding and a further £10 billion
… from coastal erosion" (POST 2010). These estimates derive from a report produced for Defra
16 years ago, which estimates the capital value of all assets at risk, in England and Wales only,
at £132.2 billion from coastal flooding (of which 98 per cent is residential and commercial
property and 2 per cent agricultural land, with £81.3 billion in the Thames region exposed to up
to a 0.5 per cent annual chance of flooding) and an additional £7.7 billion at risk from coastal
erosion (Defra 2001). In other words, the values in POST 2010 are underestimates and out of
date. A still widely cited estimate of £150 billion (e.g. Haigh et al. 2015) also appears to derive
from the 2001 report."
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/663885/Future_of_the_sea_-_sea_level_rise.pdf
It's cheaper to spend money now to tackle climate change.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
The earliest it has come into flower has been April 23rd a few years ago. But today I have beaten that record: it has flowered today.
**beams with pride**
Plus I have lots of white and blue muscari at the back of the garden, which is even more of a surprise given the greedy thieving squirrel which was forever rootling around there.
Oh never mind, it is a gorgeous day and the sunny terrace awaits.
"In 2018, more electric cars were sold in China than in the rest of the world combined."
https://qz.com/1517557/five-things-to-know-about-chinas-electric-car-boom/
But that's real food and doesn't allow you to virtue signal by buying something with a vegan label on it.
The Earth reflects 30% of its incident sunlight. Increasing or decreasing this by one percentage point would produce a cooling or warming equal in magnitude to the warming from pre-industrial times to the present, negating or doubling the effect of anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
No one understands why the Earth actually reflects 30%, and not 31% or 32%.
Scientific research to understand this point, and how it can be controlled seems valuable to me.
Technological advances that will mitigate most of the effects of anthropogenic gas emission are very likely. These can happen very fast under the stimulus of an emergency. The theory & technology of nuclear fission was developed in the Manhattan Project in about 3 years driven by the terrible fear that the Germans would get there first.
Emissions from developing countries will rise rapidly because so many sources (travel, electric power, infrastructure that requires carbon emission to build) are things people buy more of as they become more prosperous.
People in poorer countries especially will see the hypocrisy of richer countries lecturing them that they can’t have what the West has already got. Climate protesters need to understand that people are going to give up air travel, or cars, or air-conditioning for a scientific theory, even a right one.
Especially a right one.
"Technological advances" need to be encouraged by government - they need to provide an environment where we move away fossil fuels. We have made technological advances already and are implementing them, the amount of energy from renewables is an example, but still the CO2 level goes up.
It's time the problem was taken more seriously - maybe a Manhattan Climate project as you suggest.
Because societal values still had not changed. Whilst I am very much in favour of family planning, the pill etc, relationships are about more than sex. Far too many women (and some men) were used and abused in that period, with no-consequence sex meaning little chance of getting pregnant, but allowing some horribly abusive relationships.
True equality is about women being able to say no and the men accepting it politely (and vice versa). As the Me-Too movement shows, in some industries - such as Hollywood - we're still a long way away from that.
(Note: I wasn't around in that period, but this is from what I've read and anecdotal evidence).
Also, it wasn't a straightforward case on environmental grounds either.