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Newport West was the 28th by-election to be held in Wales since the 1950 General Election. Of those 28, twenty have been defended by Labour with only one loss (Carmarthen in 1966) so therefore a Labour hold was pretty much a given. However, that doesn’t mask the fact that Labour should be worried.
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Not for a moment did I expect Labour to revive it so it could get over the line.
Corbyn will be a hero in the midlands/northern Brexit heartlands.
- She doesn't trigger her revolting party by agreeing customs unions, second referendums. Labour Party lock etc.
- The European Union can pretend a consensus is being worked on so they can extend indefinitely.
- The rest of us can be grateful that the evil hour is delayed for a few weeks, we are still in the EU and, politics aside, the country still functions more or less normally for the time being.
The one fly in the ointment is the Euro elections. Otherwise we could note the premature blue passports and forget about Brexit for a while - or forever.
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Yes would be ironic if after all the Scottish whinging over Brexit it was their MPs votes along with most Labour and LD and TIG MPs that cancelled Brexit though it could inflame English nationalism
lol, you are kind of mixed up on who does the whinging. Would be a great laugh if they did and gave the little Englanders a real poke in the eye, some poetic justice.
Let me explain why I am about to agree implementing Corbyn's policy on Brexit.
Aylesbury Vale: Con to Ind Con
Bassetlaw: Con suspended to Ind
Charnwood: Con to Ind
Chichester: Con to LibDem (resigned to by-election)
Fenland: Five Cons to Ind
Hartlepool: Two Lab to Ind
Hertsmere: Con to Ind
Lancaster: Con to Ind
Stratford-on-Avon: Lab to Ind
W Oxfordshire: Lab to Ind
Woking: Con to LibDem
I do think given the geographical spread of the seat it might be difficult for the LD to contact enough people to persuade them to protest against the Government & Opposition. The LD do have a good base of support in Brecon and Radnorshire, it is hard to know how much support has evaporated away and will never be tapped again given the Coalition Government. I am not a LD supporter and so am unaware at how their party infrastructure and volunteer numbers have been affected in Wales in the last 9 years!
https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/1114904106735476737
riiiiight
I did not laugh
I did not laugh
Pause
I laughed...
Customs union would be pathetic and ridiculous.
So I'll borrow one off the opposition .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QurCB1lCHp0
Had they voted for the deal on the 29th she wouldn’t need to sign up to I can’t believe it’s not a customs union.
Steve Baker, Private Francois et al deserves gongs for getting us here.
It also gives them power to harm our economy as they'll be determining our trade policy without any influence whatsoever.
There comes a point where compromise means compromising on the result the voters decided, and the customs union is that point. At least those advocating we remain are more honest and less wretched than those who want us to leave in name only.
I've said all along, include months before the vote, that the customs union was the only 'red line' I had. It's a demented approach.
How about the better-off investigating how the other half live and improving the lives of people instead of pontificating on how 'no-one votes to make themselves poorer'? People vote very strangely if they think they have nothing to lose. Once this is understood, Corbyn can stop talking bollocks about 'a good Brexit'.
My comment on the Lib Dem in Brecon and Radnorshire simply reflects the historic strength of the party in that seat. As they say in Financial Services past achievement might not reflect future performance! If there are European elections I think I will vote for 'Change' as I feel they reflect my views on Europe.
The voters were also assured No Deal wouldn't happen.
There's a reason Gove told the cabinet he did not campaign for a No Deal Brexit.
Half-in, half-out, prolongs and deepens the political divide whilst failing to respect the democratic result of the referendum or satisfy those who genuinely believe we must remain in.
It's a pathetic splitting the difference compromise, trying to stand in the middle of chasm instead of the land either side.
The desperate revision of history is tragic , I doubt the minutae of the CU was discussed over breakfast up and down the country in the EU ref campaign.
As for the ERG are they never not angry about something , indeed I’m surprised they haven’t self combusted given the daily rage they throw out when no wants to play with their unicorns .
Mr. Eagles, strange sense of condescension from a man who both supported He Who Called The Referendum (and lost it despite every advantage) and who advocated leaving the EU but waiting for a decade more of integration.
The UK negotiation has been terrible due to the incompetence of May, the EU's duplicity (the deal cannot be reopened at all, it's set in stone, unless you want a customs union...), and a significant number of UK politicians who seem to have rather greater regard for the EU than the British electorate.
Mr. Palmer, from the comments, the subtitles (in Chinese, not sure about the English, didn't check) even add Oxford/Cambridge for the university joke.
Yes, Minister (and Yes, Prime Minister) remain utterly excellent. Odd how some comedy ages terribly and others seem timeless.
Everything else was up for grabs. Of course people who had strong views expressed opinions and suggested what the possible results of a vote one way or the other might be but every person who voted leave had to make their overall judgment and what we know is that we decided, by a small majority, to leave.
I voted to leave because I was concerned that QMV would favour the development of EZ centric policies to our detriment over time. I don't recall seeing any posters about it, strangely enough.
We have heard a lot about the jingoistic pretensions of the Leave side, and its alleged or real xenophobia
But the Remain side is at least as guilty of gross self-delusion. Carrot-crunchers, urghh.
How did the paunched Remainers ever think they would win a referendum in a society in which there is extensive poverty, poor education, low paid employment and gross & increasing inequality?
Remain need to listen to “The Threepenny Ouverture”.
Now all you gentleman who wish to lead us
Who teach us to desist from mortal sin
Your prior obligation is to feed us
When we’ve had lunch, the preaching can begin.
A few more hours on the doorstep today and yesterday - I'm encountering increasing numbers who say they won't vote for anyone because of Brexit, but as this patch hasn't ben canvassed by us before it's hard to tell who that's hurting. Subjectively the Labour vote feels quite solid, but who knows?
I said if the situation changed then we'd leave alongside a few other countries which would make things easier in leaving.
I did point out at the time when we joined we had a seven year transition, something we should have done on the way out.
https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/1113924558464147456
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/07/gordon-strachan-will-not-appear-on-sky-again-after-adam-johnson-remarks
And the huge size of Brecon and Radnor does not help. As I understand it, you have to get to designated signing places to sign the recall petition. No one but a LibDem fanatic is going to drive 40 miles to do that in B & R. There is little public transport in rural Wales, it could take most of a day to get to a signing place and back via buses if you live anywhere remote.
I don’t think the LibDems have yet understood why they are in retreat in Mid Wales (in both Westminster and the Assembly), so I am pretty sceptical whether they will even win a by-election (even if one is held).
2017 was the first election in Wales in which no Liberal/LibDem MP was returned for centuries. The LibDems need to understand that fact first, before blathering about taking Brecon and Radnor.
The article contains the line: "It’s a decision which will not just viscerally impact the lives of our children. But also our children’s children."
I am afraid to say children's children will be far too worried about extreme climate collapse to care about the EU decision.
Finally – and without naming them – I must state that there are many MPs (and not a few journalists) still marching under the Brexit banner who will read this article with a sympathy and support they do not feel able to declare. They too have changed their minds.
It’s hard to accept you’re wrong so all credit to him for doing so.
Jeremy: That's the plan. You have my word on that!
Theresa: All right, I'm in!
When is it appearing in the Mail?
And they are led by Macheath and Peachum who will happily betray them (they are good approximations to Farage and Francois).
But, Brecht would have understand instinctively why you could not win something like the 2016 Referendum in such a discontented and unequal society as ours.
Many Remainers can’t. They are as deluded as the worst jingoists on the Leave side.
As the end has come closer she’s turned into a shapeshifter, like the android assassin in the final stages of the second ‘Terminator’ film, moving desperately from one Brexit model to another.
ANDROID? He was a cyborg.
James Cameron calls him a cyborg.
A Porsche to Arnie's tank.