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A new poll for next year’s Iowa caucuses is just out and puts a 37 year old former Rhodes Scholar from Indiana who you have probably never heard of in 3rd place.
I know the Mueller Report was something of an unknown before, but I do remain shocked that Trump to be renominated was 1.67 on Betfair as recently as the first week of January.
On topic: One poll does not '3rd in Iowa' make. Given his national and other Iowa polling it's highly likely to be an outlier at this stage. I like Buttigieg but he'll need a lot more polling like this to get his fundraising up, otherwise he's unlikely to survive to Iowa. We forget that most campaigns don't end on Super Tuesday, they run out of cash and are practically (and sometimes officially) shut down before a vote is cast.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
One hopes that this round of elections gives the message to that generation to leave the stage. They won’t though. The baby boomers (and WW2 children) think think they are the greatest generation. Only death will convince them otherwise.
Excellent Mike. Can I just say I punted Buttigieg on this forum several weeks ago following some tweets from David Axelrod about how exciting this young man was?
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For context every Mayor of South Bend since 1972 has been a Democrat as are all but one of its city councillors. On that basis South Bend where Buttigieg is Mayor is even more liberal than California
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they one of them.
A new USA today poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
“One term of his party” is a clever sleight of hand to give you the statistic that you want.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
This will eventually be picked up on. Actually, a big danger for each of them on this front is the other. If they both run and, say, Joe Biden has a fall or whatever, then the same questions about age will be asked of Bernie Sanders.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they one of them.
A new USA today poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
“One term of his party” is a clever sleight of hand to give you the statistic that you want.
Well those are the facts, Trump will be seeking re election after only one term of his party in the White House. If you don't like the stat, tough
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
This will eventually be picked up on. Actually, a big danger for each of them on this front is the other. If they both run and, say, Joe Biden has a fall or whatever, then the same questions about age will be asked of Bernie Sanders.
Polling also shows Biden votets second choice is Sanders and visa versa
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they one of them.
A new USA today poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
“One term of his party” is a clever sleight of hand to give you the statistic that you want.
Well those are the facts, Trump will be seeking re election after only one term of his party in the White House. If you don't like the stat, tough
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Today the consideration for members of the cabinet who fancy the top job for themselves is are we far enough down the road for all of the shit to stick to Tezzie? If so then yes it is time to get rid, if not then the start of your premiership would be full of blame and you would be unlikely to recover. Timing is everything when it comes to dumping May .
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
The real question is whether we would revoke if we get to the end of the road at the clifftop. I think we would.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
Yes but the Commons would vote to participate in the EU Parliament elections over No Deal, whichever option wins the indicative votes in the Commons will also show the EU where an Agreement is likely to pass, assuming the Commons does not vote to revoke Article 50 or for No Deal
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
So why are you quoting national polling to support your arguments (not that it exactly demonstrates overwhelming Trump victories against anyone)?
One wonders why Trump even bothered to stand for election himself (maybe he thought the polls in 2014 weren’t a decisive indicator...)
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
Yes but the Commons would vote to participate in the EU Parliament elections over No Deal, whichever option wins the indicative votes in the Commons will also show the EU where an Agreement is likely to pass, assuming the Commons does not vote to revoke Article 50 or for No Deal
It sounds as if the “indicative votes” will be amended to include options the EU is not prepared to give. Also other than “revoke” and “no deal” they will all require the passing of the Withdrawal Agreement to be implemented anyway. Which is no doubt the point that May will make if one of the “alternatives” is passed. AGAIN!
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
The GOP also won the midterms in 2010 then Romney lost to Obama in 2012
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
And that decision on taking part in the EU elections fro m the 12th April is mandatory otherwise it is no deal or TM deal (or similar)
Seems the Democrats were hoping Trump's former antics woud lose the election. Now they have to go out and win it instead.... They have a wide field, none of whom fill me with confidence they can beat Trump. He is a low-down wily political operator. It wins elections. Who in the Democrat field could go toe-to-toe with Trump in a vicious smack-down?
Given Trump’s tendency to change personel, what chance a new running mate in 2020? I am sure he would be tempted by a Nelly The Elephant dream ticket: Trump Trump.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
The real question is whether we would revoke if we get to the end of the road at the clifftop. I think we would.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
So why are you quoting national polling to support your arguments (not that it exactly demonstrates overwhelming Trump victories against anyone)?
One wonders why Trump even bothered to stand for election himself (maybe he thought the polls in 2014 weren’t a decisive indicator...)
Hillary never polled that well and he knew he could win the rustbelt as he did
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
Yes but the Commons would vote to participate in the EU Parliament elections over No Deal, whichever option wins the indicative votes in the Commons will also show the EU where an Agreement is likely to pass, assuming the Commons does not vote to revoke Article 50 or for No Deal
It sounds as if the “indicative votes” will be amended to include options the EU is not prepared to give. Also other than “revoke” and “no deal” they will all require the passing of the Withdrawal Agreement to be implemented anyway. Which is no doubt the point that May will make if one of the “alternatives” is passed. AGAIN!
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
My monthly reminder that Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin.
His appeal is vastly overstated compared to Clinton being poison in the rustbelt.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
Yes but the Commons would vote to participate in the EU Parliament elections over No Deal, whichever option wins the indicative votes in the Commons will also show the EU where an Agreement is likely to pass, assuming the Commons does not vote to revoke Article 50 or for No Deal
How will the HOC vote to take part in the EU elections. Most of the conservative party, the DUP and many in labour would fiercely oppose such a move
Reflecting on the next PM, since Thatcher (evil) we have had a pattern:
Major (crap) Blair (style over substance) Brown (crap) Cameron (style over substance) May (crap
No wonder Chuka thinks the job should be his. However, who from the Tory ranks is the charismatic empty suit to sustain the pattern?
It would be nice if they broke with tradition and just chose someone competent. Or is that too much to ask?
The most clearly competent Tories tend to be much too europhile for the rank and file, such as David Liddington or Ken Clarke. Their sobriety, and fair immunity to paroxysms of nationalism, are part of their competence.
Andrew Bridgen on Sky making a fool of himself demanding TM is replaced with a hard brexiteer to make brexit happen. He wants a GE but if I had my say he would have the whip withdrawn and in a GE he would not be the conservative candidate
Will the Democrats tolerate a candidate who is not a culture warrior?
Given Trump's sell is that he is a culture warrior, the Democrats are at least going to need to have someone capable of operating within such a narrative.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
My monthly reminder that Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin.
His appeal is vastly overstated compared to Clinton being poison in the rustbelt.
Yes, but you also need to contract Trump the incumbent with Trump the unlikely candidate from left field. That cuts both ways, as voters views on his have become entrenched for good or bad, since the election, but incumbency is still a factor.
Given Trump’s tendency to change personel, what chance a new running mate in 2020? I am sure he would be tempted by a Nelly The Elephant dream ticket: Trump Trump.
Without wishing to spoil your whole week, I think the song refers to an entire Trump dynasty.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
The real question is whether we would revoke if we get to the end of the road at the clifftop. I think we would.
You hope.
Theresa May will never revoke. And I sincerely doubt any Conservative PM would unilaterally do so, even Lidington.
The best you could say (from your point of view) is they put it back to a 2nd referendum to resolve the impasse.
I’m very confident if we did that the EU would (again) extend, EU elections or not, as they think it would end Brexit and stabilise the EU.
Andrew Bridgen on Sky making a fool of himself demanding TM is replaced with a hard brexiteer to make brexit happen. He wants a GE but if I had my say he would have the whip withdrawn and in a GE he would not be the conservative candidate
The best thing about Brexit happening is that MPs like Bridegen won't appear on TV as much
Will the Democrats tolerate a candidate who is not a culture warrior?
Given Trump's sell is that he is a culture warrior, the Democrats are at least going to need to have someone capable of operating within such a narrative.
Will the Democrats tolerate a candidate who is not a culture warrior?
Given Trump's sell is that he is a culture warrior, the Democrats are at least going to need to have someone capable of operating within such a narrative.
The risk is they go big on a platform of abolishing ICE, reparations for slavery, and late term abortion, which will enthuse the base, but result in an easy victory for Trump.
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
The real question is whether we would revoke if we get to the end of the road at the clifftop. I think we would.
You hope.
Theresa May will never revoke. And I sincerely doubt any Conservative PM would unilaterally do so, even Lidington.
The best you could say (from your point of view) is they put it back to a 2nd referendum to resolve the impasse.
I’m very confident if we did that the EU would (again) extend, EU elections or not, as they think it would end Brexit and stabilise the EU.
Do not dismiss EU elections or not.
They are absolutely mandatory for a referendum, GE, or any extension.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
Trump's also old. That at least dilutes the potency of any age-related attack, if not removing it entirely as an effective line.
Exactly, Trump is already 72 and Biden or Sanders could easily pick a young VP candidate like O'Rourke or Buttigieg
Well it would be tough for them to pick one who doesn't look young in comparison.
(FWIW, I still think Biden/Harris a fairly strong possibility.)
Remember Obama chose an oldie as his VP.
Who acquitted himself rather well, as I recall.
Harris makes far more sense than (say) O'Rourke or Buttigieg, a she has considerably more experience, particularly in Washington. And two white guys on the Democratic ticket is perhaps not the best idea for them, ceteris paribus.
Andrew Bridgen on Sky making a fool of himself demanding TM is replaced with a hard brexiteer to make brexit happen. He wants a GE but if I had my say he would have the whip withdrawn and in a GE he would not be the conservative candidate
The best thing about Brexit happening is that MPs like Bridegen won't appear on TV as much
The biggest tragedy for me as a Cons member - but not irrelevant to the state of the nation - is the reemergence of these tossers into the political limelight.
Time was that the likes of Cash, Redwood, JRM, Bone, etc were simply eccentric, amiable enough figures of fun way out on the fringes of the mainstream Conservative Party. No one had heard of Bridgen or Francois.
Theresa May spent the weekend haunting Chequers, after an attempted exorcism by Michael Gove and David Liddington failed to end her relentless torment of existing in the netherspace between the corporeal world and the hereafter.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people enjoyed a walk through London to protest against democracy. Jeremy Corbyn, the nation’s foremost manhole cover enthusiast, refused to attend and instead occupied himself by imitating a buffoon from the 1970s.
On the continent, France was on fire, Sweden has no government, Merkel has no authority, Spain is in the middle of an election, and the Italian Government is strong and stable, suggesting the end times are upon us.
Andrew Bridgen on Sky making a fool of himself demanding TM is replaced with a hard brexiteer to make brexit happen. He wants a GE but if I had my say he would have the whip withdrawn and in a GE he would not be the conservative candidate
The best thing about Brexit happening is that MPs like Bridegen won't appear on TV as much
The biggest tragedy for me as a Cons member - but not irrelevant to the state of the nation - is the reemergence of these tossers into the political limelight.
Time was that the likes of Cash, Redwood, JRM, Bone, etc were simply eccentric, amiable enough figures of fun way out on the fringes of the mainstream Conservative Party. No one had heard of Bridgen or Francois.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
Andrew Bridgen on Sky making a fool of himself demanding TM is replaced with a hard brexiteer to make brexit happen. He wants a GE but if I had my say he would have the whip withdrawn and in a GE he would not be the conservative candidate
The best thing about Brexit happening is that MPs like Bridegen won't appear on TV as much
Only left to appear on Im a celebrity please.... preferably doing all the trials....
Theresa May spent the weekend haunting Chequers, after an attempted exorcism by Michael Gove and David Liddington failed to end her relentless torment of existing in the netherspace between the corporeal world and the hereafter.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people enjoyed a walk through London to protest against democracy. Jeremy Corbyn, the nation’s foremost manhole cover enthusiast, refused to attend and instead occupied himself by imitating a buffoon from the 1970s.
On the continent, France was on fire, Sweden has no government, Merkel has no authority, Spain is in the middle of an election, and the Italian Government is strong and stable, suggesting the end times are upon us.
Like Eric Morecambe, Jeremy Corbyn struck all the right notes this weekend, but not necessarily in the right order.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
No Deal seems very unlikely now. If May's wooing of the Brexiters fails to get her WA through, she'll pivot quickly the other way in order to survive.
Andrew Bridgen on Sky making a fool of himself demanding TM is replaced with a hard brexiteer to make brexit happen. He wants a GE but if I had my say he would have the whip withdrawn and in a GE he would not be the conservative candidate
The best thing about Brexit happening is that MPs like Bridegen won't appear on TV as much
The biggest tragedy for me as a Cons member - but not irrelevant to the state of the nation - is the reemergence of these tossers into the political limelight.
Time was that the likes of Cash, Redwood, JRM, Bone, etc were simply eccentric, amiable enough figures of fun way out on the fringes of the mainstream Conservative Party. No one had heard of Bridgen or Francois.
Now they are running the show.
They do need facing down
Both parties have same problem. The eccentrics, ultras and whackos, were politely indulged for years, whilst gradually (or speedily in Labour case) the membership became like them in large numbers.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
My monthly reminder that Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin.
His appeal is vastly overstated compared to Clinton being poison in the rustbelt.
He got more in Ohio, Iowa, Michigan and Pennsylvania than Romney though
That this isn't fully understood is another reason why if we get close to it, I still think the plug will be pulled.
So apparently the “no dealer” answer to this is that we could buy a transition period...
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Fox was on R4 just now and he kept repeating that no deal was very unlikely.
I think a lot of the politicians are labouring under the belief that the EU will grant rolling extensions to avert no deal. Of course this would be a disaster for the U.K. anyway (investment into the country would disappear, probably more so than under No deal), but without commitment to participate in EU elections they 100% will not. And may not do so anyway.
Yes but the Commons would vote to participate in the EU Parliament elections over No Deal, whichever option wins the indicative votes in the Commons will also show the EU where an Agreement is likely to pass, assuming the Commons does not vote to revoke Article 50 or for No Deal
How will the HOC vote to take part in the EU elections. Most of the conservative party, the DUP and many in labour would fiercely oppose such a move
Wrong, most of the Tory Party voted against extending Article 50 last time and to keep No Deal on the table.
The Commons as a whole voted by a 200 majority to extend Article 50 and against the Government to take No Deal off the table permanently
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
More likely the Commons votes for May's Deal and a permanent Customs Union this week and we end up with that or May's Deal passing, just, as the ERG panic to avoid that
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
Agreed if it comes to it (and I still think it won't) we need someone who believes in it to take over not someone looking at a damage limitation exercise. That was the mistake after Brexit, May viewed her role as seeking damage limitation rather than making an opportunity .
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
My monthly reminder that Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin.
His appeal is vastly overstated compared to Clinton being poison in the rustbelt.
Why did turnout drop so much in Wisconsin in 2016 compared to 2012?
Theresa May spent the weekend haunting Chequers, after an attempted exorcism by Michael Gove and David Liddington failed to end her relentless torment of existing in the netherspace between the corporeal world and the hereafter.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people enjoyed a walk through London to protest against democracy. Jeremy Corbyn, the nation’s foremost manhole cover enthusiast, refused to attend and instead occupied himself by imitating a buffoon from the 1970s.
On the continent, France was on fire, Sweden has no government, Merkel has no authority, Spain is in the middle of an election, and the Italian Government is strong and stable, suggesting the end times are upon us.
Like Eric Morecambe, Jeremy Corbyn struck all the right notes this weekend, but not necessarily in the right order.
I think he struck all the wrong notes in the wrong order.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
I favour the most politically sustainable eurosceptical relationship with the EU.
The situation you describe would likely lead to us reentering the EU with bells and whistles within 5 years, and joining the euro.
Buttigieg is OK, better than Warren and Harris but he is Mayor of a relatively liberal city in Indiana and not sure if he could appeal to the wider rustbelt.
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
For Biden and Sanders this is just a vanity trip. They are TOO OLD
No, if the Democrats want to win they probably need to pick one of them, especially Biden.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
Call off the election now, it’s decided!
It is clear Trump will beat any Democrat who cannot match his appeal to blue collar workers in the rustbelt and win the Electoral College again
Is it? The Dems has an excellent performance in the rust belt in the midterms despite Nancy Pelosi being the Democratic leader.
My monthly reminder that Trump got less votes than Romney in Wisconsin.
His appeal is vastly overstated compared to Clinton being poison in the rustbelt.
Why did turnout drop so much in Wisconsin in 2016 compared to 2012?
I assume many people who were inspired by either Obama or Romney were not inspired by either Trump or Hillary.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
I favour the most politically sustainable eurosceptical relationship with the EU.
When Cameron offered you that, you campaigned against it.
IMHO, I'd expect Ohio, Florida, and Iowa to be quite solid for Trump in 2020. So the Democrats either need to flip the rust belt, or States like North Carolina, Georgia, and Arizona.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
I favour the most politically sustainable eurosceptical relationship with the EU.
The situation you describe would likely lead to us reentering the EU with bells and whistles within 5 years, and joining the euro.
Indeed.
The best way to make Brexit sustainable is to leave the EU without damaging the country.
But for the real ERG nutters leaving without damage means that too much has been given away in negotiations - 'if its not hurting then its not working' is their mentality. They need chaos as catharsis.
For the first time Faisal Islam on Sky confirmed the need to take part in the EU elections for a referendum, extension, or GE
Good to see it sinking in. This is probably the only absolutely non-negotiable EU red line. If we don’t return MEPs we’re out, no ifs no buts no maybes. Without our MEPs with us still a member the Parliament isn’t properly constituted and the whole law making process stops.
The more I think about it the harder it is to see how we avoid a No Deal. Should we get to that point, it is essential that a dyed-in-the-wool ERG loon takes control of the government so that it is owned totally by those who have advocated it as the solution. Given that Johnson has made himself so utterly ridiculous that surely not even the Conservative party could want him in charge, Dominic Raab is the man for me. Especially now that he knows Britain is an island off the coast of France.
I think you mean "...Europe is a continent off the coast of Britain".
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On topic: One poll does not '3rd in Iowa' make. Given his national and other Iowa polling it's highly likely to be an outlier at this stage. I like Buttigieg but he'll need a lot more polling like this to get his fundraising up, otherwise he's unlikely to survive to Iowa. We forget that most campaigns don't end on Super Tuesday, they run out of cash and are practically (and sometimes officially) shut down before a vote is cast.
Has Biden officially ruled himself in or out yet?
Although he is third in Iowa on 11% just ahead of Harris on 10% he is also still well behind Biden on 24% and Sanders on 23%
Ie. in effect Implement the Withdrawal Agreement without the backstop. Which obviously isn’t a runner, and is therefore just designed to avoid the blame for the effects of crashout no deal (“no deal would have been fine if only the Govt/EU had allowed time to prepare for it...”)
Good luck to any who followed my tip.
A new Fox poll has Biden beating Trump 47% to 40% and Sanders beating Trump 44% to 41% but Trump beats Harris 41% to 39% and Trump beats Warren 42% to 40%.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/03/24/joe-biden-leads-donald-trump-2020-election-matchup-poll-finds/3261265002/
Remember the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House, Ronald Reagan, was 69 when he beat Carter in 1980
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Bend,_Indiana
One wonders why Trump even bothered to stand for election himself (maybe he thought the polls in 2014 weren’t a decisive indicator...)
Major (crap)
Blair (style over substance)
Brown (crap)
Cameron (style over substance)
May (crap
No wonder Chuka thinks the job should be his. However, who from the Tory ranks is the charismatic empty suit to sustain the pattern?
It would be nice if they broke with tradition and just chose someone competent. Or is that too much to ask?
Given Trump’s tendency to change personel, what chance a new running mate in 2020? I am sure he would be tempted by a Nelly The Elephant dream ticket: Trump Trump.
His appeal is vastly overstated compared to Clinton being poison in the rustbelt.
(FWIW, I still think Biden/Harris a fairly strong possibility.)
I’m also backing him as Democrat nominee as I think Trump’s chances in 2020 (assuming he stands again as the incumbent) are undercooked.
That cuts both ways, as voters views on his have become entrenched for good or bad, since the election, but incumbency is still a factor.
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Theresa May will never revoke. And I sincerely doubt any Conservative PM would unilaterally do so, even Lidington.
The best you could say (from your point of view) is they put it back to a 2nd referendum to resolve the impasse.
I’m very confident if we did that the EU would (again) extend, EU elections or not, as they think it would end Brexit and stabilise the EU.
Eltham 14.1%
Devon Central 14.1%
Totnes 14.0%
Somerton & Frome 13.6%
Somerset NE 13.5%
Sutton & Cheam 13.1%
Chippenham 12.9%
Interesting that those are all in either London or the West Country.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
They are absolutely mandatory for a referendum, GE, or any extension.
Harris makes far more sense than (say) O'Rourke or Buttigieg, a she has considerably more experience, particularly in Washington.
And two white guys on the Democratic ticket is perhaps not the best idea for them, ceteris paribus.
Time was that the likes of Cash, Redwood, JRM, Bone, etc were simply eccentric, amiable enough figures of fun way out on the fringes of the mainstream Conservative Party. No one had heard of Bridgen or Francois.
Now they are running the show.
Theresa May spent the weekend haunting Chequers, after an attempted exorcism by Michael Gove and David Liddington failed to end her relentless torment of existing in the netherspace between the corporeal world and the hereafter.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people enjoyed a walk through London to protest against democracy. Jeremy Corbyn, the nation’s foremost manhole cover enthusiast, refused to attend and instead occupied himself by imitating a buffoon from the 1970s.
On the continent, France was on fire, Sweden has no government, Merkel has no authority, Spain is in the middle of an election, and the Italian Government is strong and stable, suggesting the end times are upon us.
Salford & Eccles: 12.0%
Calder Valley 11.5%
Shipley 11.2%
Lancaster & Fleetwood 10.9%
Skipton & Ripon: 10.8%
Hazel Grove 10.7%
Warrington South 10.5%
Leeds West 10.3%
Newcastle North 10.3%
Sheffield Heeley 10.0%
Weaver Vale 9.9%
Colne Valley 9.5%
Eddisbury 9.5%
Congleton 9.4%
Keighley 9.2%
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
Quite a few in leafy Cheshire and some which will be influenced by local universities - Shipley for example has trains to Leeds and Bradford
Still a lot of options.
The Commons as a whole voted by a 200 majority to extend Article 50 and against the Government to take No Deal off the table permanently
LOL
The situation you describe would likely lead to us reentering the EU with bells and whistles within 5 years, and joining the euro.
The best way to make Brexit sustainable is to leave the EU without damaging the country.
But for the real ERG nutters leaving without damage means that too much has been given away in negotiations - 'if its not hurting then its not working' is their mentality. They need chaos as catharsis.