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MAY: You're SURE it's gone?GRAYLING: DefinitelyMAY: You know 100% that the Article 50 revocation fax was sent?GRAYLING: Oh yesMAY: Phew because it's 00:01GRAYLING: I did it personallyMAY: Wait… what?!
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. . . who actually knows anymore?
Still sounds like a great idea to put Grayling in charge of the letter confirming we wish to extend A50 on the EU's terms - and then its 11.01pm on Friday week and it hasn't arrived in Brussels.
That is an understatement
U.S. federal authorities began exploring a criminal investigation of how Boeing’s 737 MAX was certified to fly passengers before the latest crash in Ethiopia involving the new jet, according to people familiar with the probe.
The investigation was prompted by information obtained after a Lion Air 737 MAX 8 crashed shortly after takeoff from Jakarta on Oct. 29, said one person, who wasn’t authorized to speak about the investigation and asked not to be named.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/probe-of-faas-oversight-of-boeing-737-began-before-second-crash/
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1107825216833622016
Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!
The withdrawal agreement is sealed and not to be reopened, there is no majority for it to pass, May has a stablish majority in the commons and in no rush for an election.
Is she thinking of going to the country on a remain / deal ?
Would she get a referendum through the house and if so, would Labour campaign against her "evil tory brexit"
However the ways it may lead to something other than another extension are:
* The pro-brexit MPs may decide it would be a good thing to have brexit, and vote for her deal
* Opinion in the Conservative Party may shift over time in an "anything to get it done" direction or a "just make it go away" direction to make her feel safe enough to do a referendum or revoke
* Her government may fall or she may have a good opportunity for an election, resulting in different arithmetic that allows her to pass the deal or makes the whole clusterfuck some other unlucky prime minister's problem
Whether "keep the kaiju at bay" is a sufficient justification to satisfy the other member states I don't know. I guess she's try to think of a better one, not sure what she could use.
If we don't want no deal, just revoke.
If we want a second referendum have one long enough to get that done.
Just pick something already. Even I, as a massive political wonk are getting just a tiny bit bored of this, and the idea of another twelve months of naval gazing and political paralysis in the country doesn't fill me with joy. All that will happen is that we'll be back in the same boat twelve months from now.
How about everyone gets three options on the ballot paper
Remain vs No Deal
No Deal vs Deal
Deal vs Remain
Now, unless something truly extraordinary happens, one option will win against both others. That will be - IIRC - the Condorcet Winner.
So: Remain vs No Deal could go either way.
No Deal vs Deal will probably (but not definitely) go with Deal.
Deal vs Remain will probably (but not definitely) go with Deal.
Though Brexit is more of a slow motion car crash.
Problem is now the EU has to agree to whatever we are doing, we are no longer fully in control.
A remain vs deal referendum is one the EU would be okay with.
Edit: Not personally against your idea, it seems reasonable. Just not sure it is actually workable.
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Transport Canada is re-examining the validation it gave Boeing Co’s 737 MAX jets, following reports of a U.S. probe into the aircraft’s certification by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Canada’s transport minister said on Monday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-canada/canada-re-examining-max-approval-after-faa-certification-probe-idUSKCN1QZ2DB
This result perhaps explains why selling any agreement is an uphill struggle:
Trust in the EU is predominant in 17 EU Member States (up from 15 in spring 2018), with the highest proportions in Lithuania (65%), Denmark (60%) and Sweden (59%). More than half of respondents also say they “tend to trust” the EU in the Netherlands (57%), Malta (56%), Portugal (55%), Estonia and Bulgaria (both 53%), Luxembourg, Finland and Belgium (all 52%) and Germany (51%). At the other end of the scale, lowest proportions are seen in Greece (26%), the United Kingdom (31%) and Czechia (32%)...
https://ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinionmobile/index.cfm/Survey/getSurveyDetail/surveyKy/2215
It’s striking that the number for those who trust the EU is considerably less than the number who view it positively (31% vs 43%)....
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/1107881873869586434
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/18/erdogan-shows-christchurch-attack-footage-at-rallies
On this occasion he could be said to have a point though, putting the same deal to numerous votes, hoping that time pressure changes minds, is not conducive to good outcomes. The correct response from the PM would have been to declare the deal dead after the vote in December (the one that was postponed) then gone back to the EU with Cox and Foster to hammer out what was required to bring everyone on board. Instead Mrs May’s been behind the curve for three months and the result is probably now going to be no deal by accident.
Given the deal is a dodo, and an extension is looking unlikely as we can’t decide what it’s for, we have two options left.
1. Revoke A50, followed by an immediate election
2. No deal, spend the next few months sorting out the mess followed by a summer election.
The MPs collectively and individually need to grow a pair and make a decision, then be held accountable for that decision by the electorate.
If the extension is agreed sepatately from the deal, under Bercow's ruling we shouldn't ever get to MV3. At least we'll have the 9-12 months to work out an alternative approach,
If the goal was purely to exhaust the MPs by making them take vote after vote at inconvenient times then parliament shouldn't allow it, but that's not what's going on; The MPs would still be showing up if all that was happening was parliament trying voting on the other approaches.
That said, somebody posted the rules on the previous thread, and if they mean what the plain English seems to mean then it looks to me like Bercow is interpreting them correctly.
Such posts are beneath you.
You need to sort your issues out.
Chapeau.
That would decisively push me into the camp of radical House of Lords reform.
Their methodology would embarrass Andrew Cooper.
It never has and never will for any manufacturer or contractor but clients and customers keep trying to flog this dead horse because they can’t be arsed doing or paying for proper independent due diligence.
And some just don’t think they should.
Given that Parliament has decisively rejected No Deal she can only offer two choices: her deal so MPs can decide or ratify or to put the decision back to the electorate.
I think if she framed it like that the deal might pass.
'that Universities have raised the alarm about the potential loss of hundreds of millions of pounds worth of EU grants from the UK in the case of a no-deal Brexit.
They warned that life-changing research “could be days away from stalling” and urged the government to set up contingency plans to protect UK access to research funding.
Researchers who have submitted applications for the latest round of funding from the European Research Council (ERC) say they are still in the dark about what will happen to their submissions in the case of no deal.
Candidates are due to find out by 8 April whether they have been awarded ERC advanced grants, and the next round for applications opens on 21 May. The government has not yet explained how it will ensure current applications are funded if the UK leaves without a deal.'
I don't ever recall this country being in such a mess. Suez and the three day week were bad enough but at least the Parliament was coherent, and there were suggestions for going forward.
1. You're right, I quit.
2. I'm not planning to quit, but let's discuss what makes you say that and see if I can address it.
3. Get stuffed.
A reasonable answer is not:
4. I'm not quitting, but I can sack my assistant.
Incidentally, I heard a funny and apparently true story about a Swansea constituency Labour Party meeting in 1939, the day after war was declared. The executive had put "How should Swansea tackle the war effort?" on the agenda as an emergency motion, but discussing "Minutes of the last meeting", "Officers' Reports", etc., took so long that the item was never reached.
The underlying problem is not that the government cannot ram an unpopular policy through parliament, which might be fixed by a May landslide although that is probably not on the cards, but that there is no agreement on what is our Brexit destination, let alone a plausible route to get there. Slogans and complacency and a belief in British exceptionalism are not enough when faced with EU (or American or Japanese) negotiators who do this for a living.
1 Revoke: this embeds is in the situation we were in at the time of the referendum. It therefore keeps all the elements that caused the anti euro feelings. It keeps us in an unsatisfactory half in half out situation, which is bound to cause angst and opportunities for anti EU sentement. We would be doing the same thing again and expecting a different result. Is there a word for that?
2 no deal. We aren't in any way ready for that.
Add 3. Revoke and join in fully, euro schengen etc.