1. Corbyn is not alone in finding old buildings boring. I always struggled to get my lot to traipse round medieval towns if there was anything else to do.
2. I am surprised the Kaiser had a summer retreat in Austria-Hungary rather than in Germany.
But the Austrians used the same title for their emperors.
I thought we always called the Austro-Hungarian one the Emperor to distinguish him from the Kaiser.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
1. Corbyn is not alone in finding old buildings boring. I always struggled to get my lot to traipse round medieval towns if there was anything else to do.
2. I am surprised the Kaiser had a summer retreat in Austria-Hungary rather than in Germany.
But the Austrians used the same title for their emperors.
They weren't wholly Roman though.
As it is time for me to pull out my eight foot horn for its weekly inflation, I shall get my coat.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
The Bower hatchet job published in a Tory rag will do little more than entrench Corbyn’s support inside Labour. That may well have been the point, of course! The last thing the Tories need is a new Labour leader.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
The Bower hatchet job published in a Tory rag will do little more than entrench Corbyn’s support inside Labour. That may well have been the point, of course! The last thing the Tories need is a new Labour leader.
I actually think the MoS published it as part of its genuflection to Theresa May. As a reminder to the Deal Refuseniks in her party. "This is what you are risking....."
1. Corbyn is not alone in finding old buildings boring. I always struggled to get my lot to traipse round medieval towns if there was anything else to do.
2. I am surprised the Kaiser had a summer retreat in Austria-Hungary rather than in Germany.
But the Austrians used the same title for their emperors.
I thought we always called the Austro-Hungarian one the Emperor to distinguish him from the Kaiser.
1. Corbyn is not alone in finding old buildings boring. I always struggled to get my lot to traipse round medieval towns if there was anything else to do.
2. I am surprised the Kaiser had a summer retreat in Austria-Hungary rather than in Germany.
But the Austrians used the same title for their emperors.
I thought we always called the Austro-Hungarian one the Emperor to distinguish him from the Kaiser.
Yes, I think we do. Presumably the Mail was displaying its cosmopolitan sophistication by using the vernacular term. Or maybe the author was just plain confused, as you implied.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
The Bower hatchet job published in a Tory rag will do little more than entrench Corbyn’s support inside Labour. That may well have been the point, of course! The last thing the Tories need is a new Labour leader.
I actually think the MoS published it as part of its genuflection to Theresa May. As a reminder to the Deal Refuseniks in her party. "This is what you are risking....."
The overlap between strong remain feelings and a love of Secessionist architecture is the key to May getting her deal through.
1. Corbyn is not alone in finding old buildings boring. I always struggled to get my lot to traipse round medieval towns if there was anything else to do.
2. I am surprised the Kaiser had a summer retreat in Austria-Hungary rather than in Germany.
But the Austrians used the same title for their emperors.
I thought we always called the Austro-Hungarian one the Emperor to distinguish him from the Kaiser.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
The Bower hatchet job published in a Tory rag will do little more than entrench Corbyn’s support inside Labour. That may well have been the point, of course! The last thing the Tories need is a new Labour leader.
I actually think the MoS published it as part of its genuflection to Theresa May. As a reminder to the Deal Refuseniks in her party. "This is what you are risking....."
The overlap between strong remain feelings and a love of Secessionist architecture is the key to May getting her deal through.
The overlap between strong remain feelings and nausea at parading Diane Abbott as his latest shag are stronger.....
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
The Bower hatchet job published in a Tory rag will do little more than entrench Corbyn’s support inside Labour. That may well have been the point, of course! The last thing the Tories need is a new Labour leader.
I actually think the MoS published it as part of its genuflection to Theresa May. As a reminder to the Deal Refuseniks in her party. "This is what you are risking....."
The overlap between strong remain feelings and a love of Secessionist architecture is the key to May getting her deal through.
The overlap between strong remain feelings and nausea at parading Diane Abbott as his latest shag are stronger.....
TBH I was just being sarcastic but I'm sure the Tory remainers are big fans of Mail hit pieces.
1. Corbyn is not alone in finding old buildings boring. I always struggled to get my lot to traipse round medieval towns if there was anything else to do.
2. I am surprised the Kaiser had a summer retreat in Austria-Hungary rather than in Germany.
On Labour splits I really don't think that even Owen Smith would have been daft enough to answer questions the way he did last week unless plans for a split are well developed and looking practical. There are a number who find the manifesto that they were re-elected on in 2017 just unbearable and think that being in the EU is such a part of their identity that being committed to implementing the vote is unacceptable.
Whether a pro EU party of the left will find sufficient traction has to be more open to doubt. If Brexit proved to be a disaster then just maybe but I think it is worth looking again at what happened to Labour before. The departure of the SDP leadership should have weakened the centre right within Labour greatly. The loss of giants such as Jenkins should have left the centre right leaderless. And yet after Kinnock they chose Smith and then Blair. The left, who seemed so dominant when first Foot and then Kinnock took the leadership and Benn came so close to beating Healey fell back, beaten by a desire to win and get the Tories out. Why will this not happen again post Corbyn and if it does where is the room for the leftish pro EU party?
Brexit drives normally sane people mad, let alone the likes of Smith, but the strong odds have to be on any split being small and ultimately irrelevant.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
The Bower hatchet job published in a Tory rag will do little more than entrench Corbyn’s support inside Labour. That may well have been the point, of course! The last thing the Tories need is a new Labour leader.
I actually think the MoS published it as part of its genuflection to Theresa May. As a reminder to the Deal Refuseniks in her party. "This is what you are risking....."
The overlap between strong remain feelings and a love of Secessionist architecture is the key to May getting her deal through.
The overlap between strong remain feelings and nausea at parading Diane Abbott as his latest shag are stronger.....
Both sums up the triviality of the Mail piece, but also provides more evidence that a Corbyn is a pig-ignorant barbarian.
Absolutely. That is extremely important revelation. If he doesn’t like medieval, he is therefore a modernist , a cursed utilitarian, with crazed liberal notions of all sorts of uneducated poor to have both education and democratic vote, that will dilute the power of the monarchy the establishment the elite, the whole structure of English Imperialism that makes us the best country in world today will come crashing down.
Rise up conservatives and crush this foe. And If you voted leave because you are a British Race Patriot, this Corbyn is a traitor.
If there were to be a general election there are several centrist Labour MPs who would want their own party to lose. I will repeat that. They would be rooting for a Tory government in preference to a Labour one.
Therefore they should not be standing as Labour candidates. This is obvious.
But I'm not sure what the best way to get rid of them is. Deselection is risky, but so is leaving them to their own devices, since one cannot know what those devices might be.
If there were to be a general election there are several centrist Labour MPs who would want their own party to lose. I will repeat that. They would be rooting for a Tory government in preference to a Labour one.
Therefore they should not be standing as Labour candidates. This is obvious.
But I'm not sure what the best way to get rid of them is. Deselection is risky, but so is leaving them to their own devices, since one cannot know what those devices might be.
Tough one, this, for Corbyn and his people.
Deselection is how it has to go to the ones needed, it isn't wide ranging.
If there were to be a general election there are several centrist Labour MPs who would want their own party to lose. I will repeat that. They would be rooting for a Tory government in preference to a Labour one.
No, they would be rooting for a defeat of Corbyn, who does not represent the Labour tradition they support
If there were to be a general election there are several centrist Labour MPs who would want their own party to lose. I will repeat that. They would be rooting for a Tory government in preference to a Labour one.
Therefore they should not be standing as Labour candidates. This is obvious.
But I'm not sure what the best way to get rid of them is. Deselection is risky, but so is leaving them to their own devices, since one cannot know what those devices might be.
On Labour splits I really don't think that even Owen Smith would have been daft enough to answer questions the way he did last week unless plans for a split are well developed and looking practical.
Owen Smith is that daft.
There are some seats a pro-Eu Independent Labour Party might win (e.g. the University seats).
But, they for sure won't win in the South Wales valleys, like Pontypridd.
If there were to be a general election there are several centrist Labour MPs who would want their own party to lose. I will repeat that. They would be rooting for a Tory government in preference to a Labour one.
Therefore they should not be standing as Labour candidates. This is obvious.
But I'm not sure what the best way to get rid of them is. Deselection is risky, but so is leaving them to their own devices, since one cannot know what those devices might be.
Tough one, this, for Corbyn and his people.
Unfortunately for Labour, it has too many such MPs. It is very tricky for the Labour to do the right thing, given the antagonism it faces from vested interests with hostile agendas.
If you’re not put off by Jeremy Corbyn laying wreaths for terrorists, you’re not going to be too fussed that he doesn’t care for Secessionist architecture.
I don't know. Might be important to a lot of voters.
No, they would be rooting for a defeat of Corbyn, who does not represent the Labour tradition they support
Yes, they would say that only a big election defeat, and hence the advent of a strong and triumphant Tory government, will bring the party to its senses and lead to JC's removal as Labour leader.
And they would be saying this at the very same time as they are standing for election as Labour candidates.
Except of course that they won't be saying it - because they will be standing for election as Labour candidates.
Deselection is how it has to go to the ones needed, it isn't wide ranging.
Chris Leslie. Chuka. Liz. Wes Streeting. Kinnock jnr. Bryant.
There's 6 of the best for starters.
If they deselected Carpetbaggers Kinnock Jnr and Bryant -- I'd be voting Labour.
Welsh seats for the Welsh?
I strongly disapprove of very wealthy people with no previous connection to a constituency being parachuted in (whether it is Nick Boles in Grantham or the Carpetbaggers in the Welsh valleys).
That certainly happened in Aberavon. Kinnock won the selection battle by one vote, having assured the Constituency Labour Party that rumours that his children were being privately educated were false.
It later emerged .. surprise, surprise .. that Kinnock's daughter was attending Atlantic College (fees 29 k).
He is a liar.
He is completely unrepresentative of Aberavon. My uncle ran a shop in Sandlands, one of the most deprived parts of the constituency, and indeed Wales. A London-bred multimillionaire (whose tax record has been questioned) is completely unsuitable for the constituency.
Great. Let’s put every effort we have into leaving, and given Parliament’s collective disdain for the negotiated deal that is going to mean leaving without one and restarting the negotiations from outside the EU.
That is best not mentioned, but since you have. Grim situation indeed in Venezeula. An oil rich nation brought to its knees by endemic political corruption and economic mismanagement. Hyper inflation. Malnutrition rife. Mass exodus of desperate people from the country. And perhaps the worst aspect of all to what is a terrible crisis - an open goal for Tories to attack Jeremy and damage his election prospects here in the UK.
If they deselected Carpetbaggers Kinnock Jnr and Bryant -- I'd be voting Labour.
They are both Welsh, though, I believe.
Does that not count for something?
Bryant flipped his second home twice. He was one of the most egregious of the expenses troughers.
My objection to Kinnock is below. If you want London-bred multimillionaires in Parliament, let them represent London seats, not highly deprived Welsh ones. And let them not be liars.
Tbc, my objection is that Bryant has no connection to the Rhondda and Kinnock no connection to Aberavon. I would be happy for the Rhondda or Aberavon to be represented by anyone who lived there or has some reasonable connection with the places and their people. They don't have to be ethically Welsh.
Keir Hardie represented Merthyr Tydfil. He was not Welsh. But, he did understand what his constituents were going through.
Unfortunately for Labour, it has too many such MPs. It is very tricky for the Labour to do the right thing, given the antagonism it faces from vested interests with hostile agendas.
I am not a 'deep state' type of guy - except when meditating or after a vodka binge - but I do think there is much entrenched and powerful opposition in England to any sort of socialist agenda being enacted.
Unless JC/JM were to win a landslide I suspect they would struggle to get much done.
Unfortunately for Labour, it has too many such MPs. It is very tricky for the Labour to do the right thing, given the antagonism it faces from vested interests with hostile agendas.
... I do think there is much entrenched and powerful opposition in England to any sort of socialist agenda being enacted...
Great. Let’s put every effort we have into leaving, and given Parliament’s collective disdain for the negotiated deal that is going to mean leaving without one and restarting the negotiations from outside the EU.
Or we could postpone it until a party has won an election with a mandate to implement a particular form of Brexit.
Deselection is how it has to go to the ones needed, it isn't wide ranging.
Chris Leslie. Chuka. Liz. Wes Streeting. Kinnock jnr. Bryant.
There's 6 of the best for starters.
If they deselected Carpetbaggers Kinnock Jnr and Bryant -- I'd be voting Labour.
Welsh seats for the Welsh?
I strongly disapprove of very wealthy people with no previous connection to a constituency being parachuted in (whether it is Nick Boles in Grantham or the Carpetbaggers in the Welsh valleys).
That certainly happened in Aberavon. Kinnock won the selection battle by one vote, having assured the Constituency Labour Party that rumours that his children were being privately educated were false.
It later emerged .. surprise, surprise .. that Kinnock's daughter was attending Atlantic College (fees 29 k).
He is a liar.
He is completely unrepresentative of Aberavon. My uncle ran a shop in Sandlands, one of the most deprived parts of the constituency, and indeed Wales. A London-bred multimillionaire (whose tax record has been questioned) is completely unsuitable for the constituency.
Is he not the son of Neil and Glenys Kinnock, both long term Labour activists? Born in Tredegar, admittedly schooled in London, due to his parents, working there, but at a comprehensive. And according to Wikipedia the Danish authorities, where his tax had been questioned, cleared him.
Great. Let’s put every effort we have into leaving, and given Parliament’s collective disdain for the negotiated deal that is going to mean leaving without one and restarting the negotiations from outside the EU.
Some of us have to live here through that, not just observe it from a distance.
I can completely understand the inertia of the "big name" moderate Labour backbench MPs - the former ministers and former shadow ministers. In their own minds they're still the next shadow cabinet in waiting and they, probably wrongly, believe they can get their party back. That and the fact that it's emotionally and psychologically very difficult to choose to leave any political party - a fact that people who are not members of political parties often fail to comprehend and it's why major splits in political parties are pretty rare.
They doubt they can break through on first past the post against established parties.
There are few, if any cases, from the last century of anyone successfully doing so. 28 Labour MP's defected to the SDP n the early 80's; how many held their seats? How many National Liberal MP's were there after 1935 who were not, in effect, Conservatives.
Only one beyond 1987. The answer to your second question is one as well - Clement Davies.
There is literally zero chance of Chuka being deselected in Streatham, except in the wacko world of your own warped fantasies.
I rate Chuka very highly as a politician but the uncomfortable truth is that he is much closer to mainstream one nation conservatism than he is to the democratic socialist party that he nominally represents.
But, yes, I agree, there is no way that he will be deselected. He is popular in Streatham.
Is he up for some breakaway action? That is the question.
But in the (IMO quite unlikely) event of success with this, my feeling is that unless it's a landslide there will subsequently be many more.
And to some extent that is how it should be. Socialism in Britain would be a radical and risky experiment. Just because the people vote for it does not mean it ought to get an easy ride.
Is he not the son of Neil and Glenys Kinnock, both long term Labour activists? Born in Tredegar, admittedly schooled in London, due to his parents, working there, but at a comprehensive. And according to Wikipedia the Danish authorities, where his tax had been questioned, cleared him.
You have a very trusting nature, OKC.
Tredegar is not Aberavon. It is not even the same county.
The details of Stephen's tax affairs fall into the class of (legal) tax avoidance -- much like the affairs of many rich people. If you are happy with Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos and Philip Green, you'll be happy with Stephen Kinnock.
Here, for your benefit, is Kinnock's answer to the question about his daughter's education in 2014:
"It is highly misleading to say that our daughter attended a private school. It gives the impression that she was attending somewhere like Eton or Harrow, which is far from the truth and something we would never contemplated"
Actually, we know now that in 2013, she was attending fee-paying Atlantic College. (Morus, formerly of this parish, also attended I believe).
Kinnock -- like a true politician -- did not actually lie. He did not answer the question, and he certainly hid his daughter's private education from the selection committee. He basically deceived the selection committee.
Just like Blair deceived the nation. Small deceptions lead to big deceptions in politics.
And when the facts became known, Stephen, like a true politician, was able to discern some advantage:
"I have always been open about, and proud of, the fact that a vital part of Johanna’s education took place in Wales."
If Corby can clear Stephen Kinnock out, that is all to the good.
I think Corbyn won't resign because he cares only about turning Labour into a hateful, inward-looking and sick party; and May won't because the Brexit job is incomplete, and there's no-one else who could do any better given the situation.
If May and Corbyn somehow stagger on the 2022 then JC will have been Labour leader for longer than both G. Browns, Callaghan, Foot and E. Milliband. It's astonishing really. He and May deserve each other.
George Brown was only leader for a very short time though. In fact, am I right in thinking he was the shortest serving leader of the Labour Party behind Beckett?
George Brown was Acting Leader from Gaitskell's death on 18th January 1963 until Wilson's election on 14th February. Beckett was in office a little longer.
As I said earlier the party seems to have agreed to remain united on the promise of a vote on the deal by the 27th Feb.
It has been said this morning that TM will take it down to 72 hours before Brexit so as Fergie said 'squeaky bum time'
What does that mean, though? Wait until 72 hours before Brexit before doing what, if the deal hasn't passed the Commons? Asking for an extension?
I have no idea where this is going but possibly
I suppose the plan might be to pretend that she was going to No Deal (to encourage the sane MPs to back the Deal) or Revoke (to encourage the looney ones), while secretly planning to ask for an extension.
But if the EU said no on 26 March (or later), she'd be hoist by her own petard.
Bryant flipped his second home twice. He was one of the most egregious of the expenses troughers.
My objection to Kinnock is below. If you want London-bred multimillionaires in Parliament, let them represent London seats, not highly deprived Welsh ones. And let them not be liars.
Tbc, my objection is that Bryant has no connection to the Rhondda and Kinnock no connection to Aberavon. I would be happy for the Rhondda or Aberavon to be represented by anyone who lived there or has some reasonable connection with the places and their people. They don't have to be ethically Welsh.
Keir Hardie represented Merthyr Tydfil. He was not Welsh. But, he did understand what his constituents were going through.
OK, I get you, and yes I totally agree. The link between the MP and his or her constituents is one of the biggest strengths of our way of doing politics. Carpetbaggers negate that.
BTW, I was going to correct your typo - 'ethically' Welsh - and then decided not to because I like it and it begs an interesting question.
Is there such a thing as a set of Welsh ethics that are distinct from and different to, say, English ethics?
First instinct is to say no. Ethics are universal.
As I said earlier the party seems to have agreed to remain united on the promise of a vote on the deal by the 27th Feb.
It has been said this morning that TM will take it down to 72 hours before Brexit so as Fergie said 'squeaky bum time'
What does that mean, though? Wait until 72 hours before Brexit before doing what, if the deal hasn't passed the Commons? Asking for an extension?
I have no idea where this is going but possibly
I suppose the plan might be to pretend that she was going to No Deal (to encourage the sane MPs to back the Deal) or Revoke (to encourage the looney ones), while secretly planning to ask for an extension.
But if the EU said no on 26 March (or later), she'd be hoist by her own petard.
Bryant flipped his second home twice. He was one of the most egregious of the expenses troughers.
My objection to Kinnock is below. If you want London-bred multimillionaires in Parliament, let them represent London seats, not highly deprived Welsh ones. And let them not be liars.
Tbc, my objection is that Bryant has no connection to the Rhondda and Kinnock no connection to Aberavon. I would be happy for the Rhondda or Aberavon to be represented by anyone who lived there or has some reasonable connection with the places and their people. They don't have to be ethically Welsh.
Keir Hardie represented Merthyr Tydfil. He was not Welsh. But, he did understand what his constituents were going through.
OK, I get you, and yes I totally agree. The link between the MP and his or her constituents is one of the biggest strengths of our way of doing politics. Carpetbaggers negate that.
BTW, I was going to correct your typo - 'ethically' Welsh - and then decided not to because I like it and it begs an interesting question.
Is there such a thing as a set of Welsh ethics that are distinct from and different to, say, English ethics?
First instinct is to say no. Ethics are universal.
Many in the Welsh Labour movement had their ethics underpinned by Methodism. Maybe that made them different?
On Labour splits I really don't think that even Owen Smith would have been daft enough to answer questions the way he did last week unless plans for a split are well developed and looking practical. There are a number who find the manifesto that they were re-elected on in 2017 just unbearable and think that being in the EU is such a part of their identity that being committed to implementing the vote is unacceptable.
The 2017 manifesto was much less left wing or extreme than the manifestos of 1983 and 1974.
Here, for your benefit, is Kinnock's answer to the question about his daughter's education in 2014:
"It is highly misleading to say that our daughter attended a private school. It gives the impression that she was attending somewhere like Eton or Harrow, which is far from the truth and something we would never contemplated"
Well I would have smelt a rat immediately. Claiming credit for not sending his daughter to Eton or Harrow is a clear absurdity. His daughter, along with anybody else's daughter, lacks that certain something which (along with money) is de rigueur for getting in to either of those venerable institutions.
If they deselected Carpetbaggers Kinnock Jnr and Bryant -- I'd be voting Labour.
They are both Welsh, though, I believe.
Does that not count for something?
Bryant flipped his second home twice. He was one of the most egregious of the expenses troughers.
My objection to Kinnock is below. If you want London-bred multimillionaires in Parliament, let them represent London seats, not highly deprived Welsh ones. And let them not be liars.
Tbc, my objection is that Bryant has no connection to the Rhondda and Kinnock no connection to Aberavon. I would be happy for the Rhondda or Aberavon to be represented by anyone who lived there or has some reasonable connection with the places and their people. They don't have to be ethically Welsh.
Keir Hardie represented Merthyr Tydfil. He was not Welsh. But, he did understand what his constituents were going through.
How representative was John Morris as MP for Aberavon?
Bryant flipped his second home twice. He was one of the most egregious of the expenses troughers.
My objection to Kinnock is below. If you want London-bred multimillionaires in Parliament, let them represent London seats, not highly deprived Welsh ones. And let them not be liars.
Tbc, my objection is that Bryant has no connection to the Rhondda and Kinnock no connection to Aberavon. I would be happy for the Rhondda or Aberavon to be represented by anyone who lived there or has some reasonable connection with the places and their people. They don't have to be ethically Welsh.
Keir Hardie represented Merthyr Tydfil. He was not Welsh. But, he did understand what his constituents were going through.
OK, I get you, and yes I totally agree. The link between the MP and his or her constituents is one of the biggest strengths of our way of doing politics. Carpetbaggers negate that.
BTW, I was going to correct your typo - 'ethically' Welsh - and then decided not to because I like it and it begs an interesting question.
Is there such a thing as a set of Welsh ethics that are distinct from and different to, say, English ethics?
First instinct is to say no. Ethics are universal.
I don't think I can agree with that. Ethics do vary geographically and temporally. They are based on a complex set of historical and societal pressures and I do believe it is wrong to say that, for example, some practices we now consider to be unethical, should be judged in the same way when looking at the past.
Many in the Welsh Labour movement had their ethics underpinned by Methodism. Maybe that made them different?
Methodism is certainly something that I think of as Neil Kinnocky and Welsh, similarly Presbyterianism (gosh had to google that spelling) I think of as being Gordon Browny and Scottish. He was the 'Son of the Mance' after all.
But I don't know whether that is right. Perhaps these traditions are equally strong in parts of England.
Many in the Welsh Labour movement had their ethics underpinned by Methodism. Maybe that made them different?
Methodism is certainly something that I think of as Neil Kinnocky and Welsh, similarly Presbyterianism (gosh had to google that spelling) I think of as being Gordon Browny and Scottish. He was the 'Son of the Mance' after all.
But I don't know whether that is right. Perhaps these traditions are equally strong in parts of England.
How does it work if the Commons instructs the government to “take no deal off the tsble@?
May scurries off to Brussels and comes back and days there is no deal other than The Deal that the government is proposed to recommend?
So the Parliament votes that she must revoke (I’m not sure there is s majority for that)
And May - knowing that it would break her party - makes it a vote of confidence in her government
Once again, I don’t think the Commons would bring down the government
So we end up withDeal or No Deal
At which point I think the Commons votes for the Deal.
What am I missing?
This is the idiocy of the whole question of voting to take No Deal off the table. Like the advisors wanting Canute to stop the tide coming in, Parliament would be asking May to do something that, at least under some circumstances, is not possible. If they want to make sure No Deal is off the table then they have to vote for Deal.
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As it is time for me to pull out my eight foot horn for its weekly inflation, I shall get my coat.
Have a good morning.
Holds head in hands. Terrible PM.
Kaiser means Caesar (as does Tsar)
Caesar means hair.
I did mention something about this earlier.
I would love that headline wrote about me, how much is Corbyn paying them for this stuff?
Whether a pro EU party of the left will find sufficient traction has to be more open to doubt. If Brexit proved to be a disaster then just maybe but I think it is worth looking again at what happened to Labour before. The departure of the SDP leadership should have weakened the centre right within Labour greatly. The loss of giants such as Jenkins should have left the centre right leaderless. And yet after Kinnock they chose Smith and then Blair. The left, who seemed so dominant when first Foot and then Kinnock took the leadership and Benn came so close to beating Healey fell back, beaten by a desire to win and get the Tories out. Why will this not happen again post Corbyn and if it does where is the room for the leftish pro EU party?
Brexit drives normally sane people mad, let alone the likes of Smith, but the strong odds have to be on any split being small and ultimately irrelevant.
Rise up conservatives and crush this foe. And If you voted leave because you are a British Race Patriot, this Corbyn is a traitor.
Therefore they should not be standing as Labour candidates. This is obvious.
But I'm not sure what the best way to get rid of them is. Deselection is risky, but so is leaving them to their own devices, since one cannot know what those devices might be.
Tough one, this, for Corbyn and his people.
Chuka.
Liz.
Wes Streeting.
Kinnock jnr.
Bryant.
There's 6 of the best for starters.
There are some seats a pro-Eu Independent Labour Party might win (e.g. the University seats).
But, they for sure won't win in the South Wales valleys, like Pontypridd.
It has been said this morning that TM will take it down to 72 hours before Brexit so as Fergie said 'squeaky bum time'
It would be a real bonus if he was also a connoisseur of fine classical architecture - of course it would - but we can't all be renaissance men.
"What do we want?"
"Secessionist architecture!"
"When do we want it?"
"1897".
Socialism is a scourge of the working class. See Venezuela and the Soviet Union.
Socialism that was not.
Would have thought Hungarian-hopping Meeks would know his Jugendstil from his neo-classical.
And they would be saying this at the very same time as they are standing for election as Labour candidates.
Except of course that they won't be saying it - because they will be standing for election as Labour candidates.
That certainly happened in Aberavon. Kinnock won the selection battle by one vote, having assured the Constituency Labour Party that rumours that his children were being privately educated were false.
It later emerged .. surprise, surprise .. that Kinnock's daughter was attending Atlantic College (fees 29 k).
He is a liar.
He is completely unrepresentative of Aberavon. My uncle ran a shop in Sandlands, one of the most deprived parts of the constituency, and indeed Wales. A London-bred multimillionaire (whose tax record has been questioned) is completely unsuitable for the constituency.
Does that not count for something?
Bastani: "Corbyn's good, but not quite as good as Blair"
My objection to Kinnock is below. If you want London-bred multimillionaires in Parliament, let them represent London seats, not highly deprived Welsh ones. And let them not be liars.
Tbc, my objection is that Bryant has no connection to the Rhondda and Kinnock no connection to Aberavon. I would be happy for the Rhondda or Aberavon to be represented by anyone who lived there or has some reasonable connection with the places and their people. They don't have to be ethically Welsh.
Keir Hardie represented Merthyr Tydfil. He was not Welsh. But, he did understand what his constituents were going through.
Unless JC/JM were to win a landslide I suspect they would struggle to get much done.
We ruled the world then, now the working class backed Brexit sees us begging the Faroe Islands for a trade deal.
But, yes, I agree, there is no way that he will be deselected. He is popular in Streatham.
Is he up for some breakaway action? That is the question.
Well they are the first hoop to jump through.
But in the (IMO quite unlikely) event of success with this, my feeling is that unless it's a landslide there will subsequently be many more.
And to some extent that is how it should be. Socialism in Britain would be a radical and risky experiment. Just because the people vote for it does not mean it ought to get an easy ride.
Tredegar is not Aberavon. It is not even the same county.
The details of Stephen's tax affairs fall into the class of (legal) tax avoidance -- much like the affairs of many rich people. If you are happy with Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos and Philip Green, you'll be happy with Stephen Kinnock.
Here, for your benefit, is Kinnock's answer to the question about his daughter's education in 2014:
"It is highly misleading to say that our daughter attended a private school. It gives the impression that she was attending somewhere like Eton or Harrow, which is far from the truth and something we would never contemplated"
Actually, we know now that in 2013, she was attending fee-paying Atlantic College. (Morus, formerly of this parish, also attended I believe).
Kinnock -- like a true politician -- did not actually lie. He did not answer the question, and he certainly hid his daughter's private education from the selection committee. He basically deceived the selection committee.
Just like Blair deceived the nation. Small deceptions lead to big deceptions in politics.
And when the facts became known, Stephen, like a true politician, was able to discern some advantage:
"I have always been open about, and proud of, the fact that a vital part of Johanna’s education took place in Wales."
If Corby can clear Stephen Kinnock out, that is all to the good.
But if the EU said no on 26 March (or later), she'd be hoist by her own petard.
BTW, I was going to correct your typo - 'ethically' Welsh - and then decided not to because I like it and it begs an interesting question.
Is there such a thing as a set of Welsh ethics that are distinct from and different to, say, English ethics?
First instinct is to say no. Ethics are universal.
But I don't know whether that is right. Perhaps these traditions are equally strong in parts of England.
May scurries off to Brussels and comes back and days there is no deal other than The Deal that the government is proposed to recommend?
So the Parliament votes that she must revoke (I’m not sure there is s majority for that)
And May - knowing that it would break her party - makes it a vote of confidence in her government
Once again, I don’t think the Commons would bring down the government
So we end up withDeal or No Deal
At which point I think the Commons votes for the Deal.
What am I missing?
It is one of the reasons she should repeal FTPA.