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They both appeal to similar segments of the Dems base
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(stalks off in Cartman mode)
Remember too the last candidate to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was Reagan in 1980 and Reagan was also the runner up in the 1976 Republican primaries and overcame accusations of being too old to win
Trump would eat her for breakfast.
Winning Arizona would be useful for the Democrats, but I think the path to victory runs through Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
It may be that Trump has changed America's political landscape for good. That would be sad.
You could easily imagine that getting lost in the movement of time with either a forgetful older relative or just a 'creative story teller' to a younger relative who then passed the information on in good faith.
It is one of the silly little stories that people (and the media) run with but I think would have very little effect when it comes to the vote in a presidential race. Although it could harm her more in a democratic race if the story makes people think she would be more likely to lose the presidential election.
Please get away from the keyboard, Your constant selfish posts in support of Biden and Mordaunt are tedious. Please let Morris Dancer out of wherever you have locked him up, so he can launch you from the giant space cannon.
The point is she has continuously claimed over her life not only to have relatives that are Native American, but her official ethnicity was such.
The Democrats also made the most gains in House seats in Pennsylvania so you are right
Or is it a choice between "Change for the better" or "Strong and Stable, cling to nurse"?
"Change for the better" need not be left wing. Look at Trump or Brexit.
At the moment, I think "Change for the better" captures the mood of the majority in both the USA and the UK. But in the US, there may also be a yearning, after Trump, for a safe pair of hands eg Biden. Hard to call. It's not obvious.
In the UK, no party can seriously offer strong and stable, safe pair of hands! Both main parties will be offering "Change for the better". The Labour Party is better positioned for that. Safe pair of hands won't be on offer from either Corbyn or Johnson.
If the Dems nominate her then they aren't serious about winning in 2020 against Trump or someone who can grab the Trump base and bring back the suburban middle classes he's struggling to hold now.
Unfortunately, as we saw last time, that question doesn't always get asked. That's how one party ended up with a dodgy failed property developer with a history of marital problems who seemed to be evading awkward questions at every stage, and the other ended up with, God help us, Donald Trump.
Therefore, the question for the Democrats must be - who can beat Trump? I'd like to think anything above 'plant life' would be in with a shout, and it's therefore doubly depressing to say I don't think Warren can. She's a slightly less tainted Hilary Clinton.
They need someone fresh. Harris would be a better bet.
Or would it imprison you again and start spouting rubbish about Mordaunt?
Biden or Sanders are their best bet
Indeed it is possible for the Democrats to win the Electoral College and lose Florida, as they did in both 1960 and 1992
Which is 10 generations back, how many generations back was she claiming?
If she claimed her Grandmother/Grandfather were born to Native American parents then she was either lying or incredibly misinformed if she was claiming a few generations further back again it isn't too hard to see how that misinformation could come about.
Especially if you had someone in her family tree who had declared themselves Native American but only been 1/4 Native American or something similar, a couple of inaccuracies over such a long time frame could easily push it back a few generations without Warren herself deliberately lying.
She's a well respected bankruptcy lawyer; might be wise for Trump to watch his step if she's the candidate, even for VP. Incidentally, as the test showed evidence of Native American DNA, did Trump ever pay up?
Not ageist (I'm nearer her age then the vast majority of US voters) - but it strikes me that the US needs new answers, not old ones....
Pocahontas, Pocahontas, Pocahontas...
"Warren had actually been identifying as a minority for nearly a decade in an official national law school directory, the Association of American Law Schools desk book. And the Boston Globe also reported that for at least six years, Harvard University reported to the federal government that it had a Native American law professor. It was a statistic the paper argued was probably reported by Warren herself to the school."
1/1024th qualifies you as a minority?
https://twitter.com/PiersPd0930/status/1079723928266911744
I am pretty certain if I look at my family tree I am 1/1000th black, North African, etc...but if I tried to claim I was BAME on official documents and sat on such committees I think those of that ethnicity would quite rightly think I was a fraud.
Edit: *At least as far as he knows.
I do wonder if a bit of old fashioned racism might have helped, the same way the child of a black and white parent could be thought of as Black a mixed race family member could be thought of as whatever non white race they were mixed with rather than a mix.
A pure Native American a few generations back would have been very different to a 1/8 Native American a few generations back in terms of the effect on her results.
To make a different point surely Warren wouldn't have done the test if she herself knew she was lying?
Could have played off criticism from some like Trump as not legitimising his insults if she knew she was covering a lie.
One of the best, Reagan, came into office at 69
We're also apparently linked to the family that started Royal Crown Derby. (I'm sad to say my mum's side of the family were bankers, though thankfully distant. I'd like to think we've atoned since those dark days.)
I have seen no firm evidence for either (e.g. family trees), but believe the links with Eliot and Royal Crown Derby are firm. But I'd be very, very careful before attempting to make any political advantage out of such claims as they're currently just family hearsay.
Warren was very silly. But I bet we all have such stories in our families about our ancestors, and few of us would have researched them.
The last time the Democrats did that it did not end well.
While it is entirely a matter for US voters, above all else I would prefer Trump out of the White House.
I remain to be convinced that Warren is the answer. She looks like a (diluted) Hillary2
I don't particularly think of anyone with one descendent 10 generations back who is X and the rest Y as a member of X group, nothing more than a distant connection.
Did Warren actively lie in full knowledge that it wasn't true. Which is possible but I lean against the idea.
That she used or abused that identity would be a slightly different charge which would still exist even if she was Native American to whatever fraction she claimed.
How about Sanders? He’d be 79, but if he’s healthy I don’t think it’s impossible. I suspect he’d have to commit to one term though. Perhaps O’Rourke as VP?
I've just been entertaining and amazing my son by sticking needles into balloons without them bursting.
God, I hate the holidays ...
My late father always asserted that as his mothers maiden name was Griffiths he must be descended from the last (apart from Glyndŵr's) royal house of Wales, but he never tried to either prove it or benefit from it.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
We see it here when politicians pretend to be working class when in fact they are elitist upper middle class snobs.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9973697/Labours-Chuka-Umunna-under-fire-for-labelling-people-trash-on-elite-social-network.html
I am (a very small part) Japanese.....how the heck, that got there, who knows, but Here's To Mongrels!"
In the past, all of this stuff would have you sloping back into the shadows sharpish.
The transition from "fount of all knowledge who knows everything" to "old fool who knows nothing" is but brief.....of course, you wont have changed....
I thought that was most wise of him, as it's a phrase I hope he'll have to use many times throughout his life.
In truth it didn't tell me anything that immediate family history wouldn't - but it was interesting to survey the hand I've been dealt.
It is, after all, a wise child.......
Edit. spelling.
If there are any living descendants, they would likely be through his daughter Gwladus, who married Rhys Fychan of Deheubarth. Lord Mowbray would appear to be descended from this couple, but that wouldn't lead to the surname 'Griffiths', it would be 'Price.'
Expect daily Facebook updates to let the world know how they are doing.
I think it's a bit unfair to suggest everyone called Lewis is a predatory and insatiable rapist and paedophile. I mean, I'm not Hamilton or Clive's hugest fan, but I don't think they're quite that bad.
Funny thing, life!
Childhood - thinking your parents know everything
Adolescence - thinking your parents know nothing
Adulthood - thinking your parents know something
Samuel Langhorne Clemens.
(Even Brexiteers)
Anyway, it is time to pop a cork or two and slave over the cooker.