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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    You are the one who mentioned experts. I just showed that they disagree with you. Thankfully both the TV networks and the experts know you are wrong and you are going to be stuck forever more with Die Hard being shown as a Christmas Movie.
    Could be worse, could be the Last Jedi.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    I have been over to Chingford a few times and IDS has a good team of Tory volunteers working for him, the Tories also held the Chingford seats in Waltham Forest in May's local elections. I think the Tories will hold Chingford and Woodford Green.

    In Richmond Park though the Tories lost control to the LDs and a lot of seats went yellow and I think Goldsmith will lose having scraped hope last time after the LDs won the by election.

    Hastings and Rye is a seat Labour having to gain if Corbyn has any chance of becoming PM and stopping the Tories having enough seats with the DUP for a majority, do it Rudd did hold on is this crucial bellwether the Tories should be back in power.

    Derby North could be a Tory gain if they win a majority, a Labour Leave seat with a small majority and an MP linked to the hard left
  • IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is Brexit a Christmas movie?

    Jan 7th isn't really Christmas
    Its a Wonderful Life was released on January 7th 1947
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202

    Yes, I think Duncan Smith's brand of ultra-eurosceptic nastiness has lost Chingford and Woodford Green for the Tories, probably for ever. I can imagine them being stuffed in Uxbridge and South Ruislip too, simply because, these days, Boris is just a massive pain in the arse.

    Hillingdon where Uxbridge is voted Leave
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018

    Next GE won’t have May as Tory leader, even if the Tories actually manage to stay together, won’t have such a woeful campaign or such an irrelevant manifesto - that will change a lot of people’s voting intentions.

    According to most polls the only Tory who gets a higher Tory voteshare than May is Boris, the catch is some also show him pushing up the Labour vote too
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited December 2018

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    https://twitter.com/wommmbat1/status/1078933675117604864

    If you don’t have anything nice to say...
    ...say nothing.

    & this place would close down the day after.
    To be clear I was referring to her comment not yours.

    They separated over 15 years ago. A shame she hasn’t moved on with her life

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1454388/Redwood-comes-out-fighting-against-ex-wife.html
    Presumably Redwood's charitable act(s) as witnessed by TSE was in the last 15 years. Perhaps divorce has made him a reformed character (though he still sounds the same tetchy, humourless ***** in recent interviews I've heard).
    The Vulcan! Although his manner is more like a Great White Shark with those cold unfeeling eyes. He is an ideological dinosaur. Hopefully, he will retire at the next election, his knighthood might be the price for him to vacate his safe seat!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018
    ydoethur said:

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    You are the one who mentioned experts. I just showed that they disagree with you. Thankfully both the TV networks and the experts know you are wrong and you are going to be stuck forever more with Die Hard being shown as a Christmas Movie.
    Could be worse, could be the Last Jedi.
    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    ydoethur said:

    A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:

    https://twitter.com/stefaniebolzen/status/1079303324841771008?s=21

    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.

    *puts head in hands*

    Thanks JCJ. You clearly felt you hadn't done enough damage with your hare-brained drunken posturing during the referendum so you feel the need to epically fuck up again by openly telling the swing voters they're stupid, anti-democratic and incompetent not to do what you're telling them.

    He really was a very good and indeed if the EU were a federal superstate alone unanswerable reason for voting Leave. He's now trying to maximise the chaos. Whether it's because he's drunk, a fool or just tin eared I don't know.
    Um, I hate to be awks but from what I've read, what he said was:

    * The UK should make its mind up as to what it wants
    * The EU respects the referendum and is not trying to force the UK to stay in the EU
    * UK MPs distrust the EU.

    OK, I give up. Which of those statements do you think is wrong?
  • ydoethur said:

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    You are the one who mentioned experts. I just showed that they disagree with you. Thankfully both the TV networks and the experts know you are wrong and you are going to be stuck forever more with Die Hard being shown as a Christmas Movie.
    Could be worse, could be the Last Jedi.
    Or even worse...The Hans Solo Movie....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
  • HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark K
    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    You are the one who mentioned experts. I just showed that they disagree with you. Thankfully both the TV networks and the experts know you are wrong and you are going to be stuck forever more with Die Hard being shown as a Christmas Movie.
    Could be worse, could be the Last Jedi.
    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?
    Disney ruined Luke Skywalker's character.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark K
    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    You are the one who mentioned experts. I just showed that they disagree with you. Thankfully both the TV networks and the experts know you are wrong and you are going to be stuck forever more with Die Hard being shown as a Christmas Movie.
    Could be worse, could be the Last Jedi.
    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?
    Disney ruined Luke Skywalker's character.
    Well, yes. Plus blue milk in beard...eurgh, ack, ack, hurl
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
  • Or even worse...The Hans Solo Movie....

    I reference Solo in a PB Thread header, further cementing my position as PB's man of the people.

    In terms of disasters for the United Kingdom a no deal Brexit is to picture the Hindenburg meets Chernobyl meets the fall of Singapore meets Solo: A Star Wars Story.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/09/23/with-or-without-eu-will-anybody-follow-le-royaume-unis-lead/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    I genuinely think "Revenge of the Sith" is better than "Return of the Jedi", and arguably "Rogue One" is the best Star Wars movie.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited December 2018
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:

    https://twitter.com/stefaniebolzen/status/1079303324841771008?s=21

    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.

    *puts head in hands*

    Thanks JCJ. You clearly felt you hadn't done enough damage with your hare-brained drunken posturing during the referendum so you feel the need to epically fuck up again by openly telling the swing voters they're stupid, anti-democratic and incompetent not to do what you're telling them.

    He really was a very good and indeed if the EU were a federal superstate alone unanswerable reason for voting Leave. He's now trying to maximise the chaos. Whether it's because he's drunk, a fool or just tin eared I don't know.
    Um, I hate to be awks but from what I've read, what he said was:

    * The UK should make its mind up as to what it wants
    * The EU respects the referendum and is not trying to force the UK to stay in the EU
    * UK MPs distrust the EU.

    OK, I give up. Which of those statements do you think is wrong?
    Well, first of all I would argue we have repeatedly said what we want - a free trade agreement plus security co-operation and visa free travel. And that's by and large what we've got although given the problem is the backstop which the EU are insisting on his claims to good faith are to say the least disingenuous. If he's too dumb to understand that, that's his problem. Equally, I suppose he may not want to say it in case other people Get Ideas.

    But it's more the way he says it. The implication however of his comments is that he is respecting the referendum and is always acting with integrity whereas his opponents will not. Leaving aside the minor detail that coming him that's like being lectured by Mao on the importance of food supplies, the entire tone and approach seems calculated to put up the backs of the recalcitrant at the very moment we needed the temperature cooling.

    He is scum. Let's not mince words here. Even as PM of Luxembourg, he stank. As president of the EC, he stank more. Cameron was 100% right to oppose him. That's even before the drinking or his peculiar behaviour towards certain female officials. And he has been pretty much an unmitigated fiasco, which means the boasting in the article about his brilliance grates even more. But really, I had hoped he wouldn't stir the pot further. I should have known better.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    https://twitter.com/wommmbat1/status/1078933675117604864

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    :open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth:

    I thought you WERE the SNP and that you merely posted under a nom de plume Mr Salmond!

    I'm shocked

    You mean your name really is Malcolm and not Alex???
    Currently confused about whether those laughing realise Mr Salmond is not a member of the SNP at present.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    I genuinely think "Revenge of the Sith" is better than "Return of the Jedi", and arguably "Rogue One" is the best Star Wars movie.
    Can agree on the first but Rogue One left me cold.

    If I'm honest, the only really good Star Wars film remains Episode V.

    Have a good evening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    I genuinely think "Revenge of the Sith" is better than "Return of the Jedi", and arguably "Rogue One" is the best Star Wars movie.
    Rogue One was so boring I fell asleep for half the movie.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    edited December 2018
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    edited December 2018
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    I did that survey.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
    I have read the study and you are wrong.

    On first preferences Remain is ahead, on a Concordet basis though the Deal wins in Hastings, beating both Remain and No Deal head to head
  • ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    I genuinely think "Revenge of the Sith" is better than "Return of the Jedi", and arguably "Rogue One" is the best Star Wars movie.
    Can agree on the first but Rogue One left me cold.

    If I'm honest, the only really good Star Wars film remains Episode V.

    Have a good evening.
    Episode V is also the best for me.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    https://twitter.com/wommmbat1/status/1078933675117604864

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    :open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth:

    I thought you WERE the SNP and that you merely posted under a nom de plume Mr Salmond!

    I'm shocked

    You mean your name really is Malcolm and not Alex???
    Currently confused about whether those laughing realise Mr Salmond is not a member of the SNP at present.
    He joined RT instead :)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    I did that survey.
    There were 3 questions, the first on first preferences, the second on alternative vote, the third on a Concordet basis and head to head.

    Nationally Remain won the first two ways but Leave with the Deal won the third way beating both Remain and No Deal head to head in 372 constituencies ie a clear majority
  • HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
    I have read the study and you are wrong.

    On first preferences Remain is ahead, on a Concordet basis though the Deal wins in Hastings, beating both Remain and No Deal head to head
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
  • Wingnut in chief refused to alter his MP twitter profile even when he lost... The people only speak when he chooses to notice them.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
    I have read the study and you are wrong.

    On first preferences Remain is ahead, on a Concordet basis though the Deal wins in Hastings, beating both Remain and No Deal head to head
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unlikely event we get EUref2 it could well be a Remain v Leave first question and then a Leave with a Deal or Leave with No Deal second question in the event Leave won the first or a straight Remain or Leave with the Deal question.

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    https://twitter.com/wommmbat1/status/1078933675117604864

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    :open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth:

    I thought you WERE the SNP and that you merely posted under a nom de plume Mr Salmond!

    I'm shocked

    You mean your name really is Malcolm and not Alex???
    Currently confused about whether those laughing realise Mr Salmond is not a member of the SNP at present.
    Do not worry - I care very little about any politician or party. I am very balanced in my political views as I believe that they are all spineless, idiots or knaves
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Ex wives and everything, but a definite whiff of actualité.

    https://twitter.com/wommmbat1/status/1078933675117604864

    I cannot believe I'm forced to defend John Redwood, but I have seen him do some charity work, for the Lord's Taverners.
    Good old Tories, always there to help each other out. He must be a great guy after all.
    I think Sir John Redwood is a massive bell end and a hypocrite.

    Perhaps you can refer me to all your posts criticising the SNP?
    I am not a member of the SNP , neither do I promote them other than for their support of independence. If you look back a week or so you will see me criticising their tax policies.
    :open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth::open_mouth:

    I thought you WERE the SNP and that you merely posted under a nom de plume Mr Salmond!

    I'm shocked

    You mean your name really is Malcolm and not Alex???
    Very Droll Bev :smiley:
    Happy to help :D
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,081

    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    How would they account for the people who don't watch films at all, or who don't watch films of that genre?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited December 2018
    ydoethur said:


    If I'm honest, the only really good Star Wars film remains Episode V.

    image
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
    I have read the study and you are wrong.

    On first preferences Remain is ahead, on a Concordet basis though the Deal wins in Hastings, beating both Remain and No Deal head to head
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unlikely event we get EUref2 it could well be a Remain v Leave first question and then a Leave with a Deal or Leave with No Deal second question in the event Leave won the first or a straight Remain or Leave with the Deal question.

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straight Remain vs Leave with the deal was not asked in that study. Polls which do ask that question show a big lead for Remain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,134
    edited December 2018
    I don't know if people caught the Kevin Spacey YouTube video he put out on Christmas Eve...if you think Trump is deluded mad man, he ain't got nothing on Kev.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is a hoot ;)
  • Wingnut in chief refused to alter his MP twitter profile even when he lost... The people only speak when he chooses to notice them.

    How was your excursion to Wembley yesterday?
  • HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is Shite ;)
    Corrected it for you :lol:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,168
    edited December 2018

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is a hoot ;)
    It's definitely in my top two Star Wars movies. Everyone has their own tastes of course, no one should be made to like it, but some of the complaints people make about it either apply to others which they claim to like (such as the humourous aspects that were all through Force Awakens or contrivances, the latter of which are all through the series), or are complete nonsense (certain bits not being 'answered' from the previous film as if the originals did that or certain 'twists' not foreshadowed when they very much were).

    It holds up better than Force Awakens, which is still fun. The thing I most liked about it is how it sort of jump started the retreading of the original trilogy cycle that Force Awakens did, so that now I don't really know what might come next.

    And this is controversial, but the acting in the new films is leagues better than the original trilogy. God knows I love those movies but some of the acting is just lame in parts.

    And while I'm getting it off my chest, I know it is cool to say so, but I really don't get why people act like the prequel trilogy are some of the worst films out there. Even for blockbusters that's not true. I cannot honestly say I think they are good films, I think there is one good movie made out of all the parts of the trilogy, but neither are they are bad as people act like they are - they are perfectly easy to sit through and rewatch.
  • I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    Intelligent people hate the Disney-fication of Star Wars. Dumb people sit through these new-fangled films with their popcorn in hand :)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,710
    AnneJGP said:

    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    How would they account for the people who don't watch films at all, or who don't watch films of that genre?
    Badly, I imagine :-D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
    I have read the study and you are wrong.

    On first preferences Remain is ahead, on a Concordet basis though the Deal wins in Hastings, beating both Remain and No Deal head to head
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unlikely event we get EUref2 it could well be a Remain v Leave first question and then a Leave with a Deal or Leave with No Deal second question in the event Leave won the first or a straight Remain or Leave with the Deal question.

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straight Remain vs Leave with the deal was not asked in that study. Polls which do ask that question show a big lead for Remain.
    No they don't.

    That poll had Remain v Leave with the Deal at 50% 50% and Deltapoll had Leave with the Deal with a clear lead over Remain
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,537
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    A blunt interview from Jean-Claude Juncker:

    https://twitter.com/stefaniebolzen/status/1079303324841771008?s=21

    He’s obviously worried about Brexit and how equipped Romania is to deal with its role as president.

    *puts head in hands*

    Thanks JCJ. You clearly felt you hadn't done enough damage with your hare-brained drunken posturing during the referendum so you feel the need to epically fuck up again by openly telling the swing voters they're stupid, anti-democratic and incompetent not to do what you're telling them.

    He really was a very good and indeed if the EU were a federal superstate alone unanswerable reason for voting Leave. He's now trying to maximise the chaos. Whether it's because he's drunk, a fool or just tin eared I don't know.
    Um, I hate to be awks but from what I've read, what he said was:

    * The UK should make its mind up as to what it wants
    * The EU respects the referendum and is not trying to force the UK to stay in the EU
    * UK MPs distrust the EU.

    OK, I give up. Which of those statements do you think is wrong?
    I suspect that a significant slice of the UK electorate will feel that he speaks for them more than our own Government does. And it probably does need to be made clear how exasperated the EU is with our faffing about - Barnier's polite diplomacy is all very well, but it's encouraged MPs to think that with one more effort we can get some unicorns out of them without giving up our mutually inconsistent red lines.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    AnneJGP said:

    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    How would they account for the people who don't watch films at all, or who don't watch films of that genre?
    Filter them out like non voters :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastings, a constituency she has so misrepresented in terms of her constant efforts to obtain a second referendum and to ensure the UK remains in the EU. Hastings is a solid Brexiteer town that voted 54% leave. I know that town, for I was brought up there. It is a town that cannot wait to dump her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comes from ranked preferences, not head to head choices.

    Read the study: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben Lauderdale Brexit deal MRP report.pdf
    I have read the study and you are wrong.

    On first preferences Remain is ahead, on a Concordet basis though the Deal wins in Hastings, beating both Remain and No Deal head to head
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unl

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straight Remain vs Leave with the deal was not asked in that study. Polls which do ask that question show a big lead for Remain.
    No they don't.

    That poll had Remain v Leave with the Deal at 50% 50% and Deltapoll had Leave with the Deal with a clear lead over Remain
    That poll did not ask the question. It estimated the figures based on ranked preferences.

    In a direct poll, YouGov has Remain ahead 63/37 among those certain to vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastin her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comeont.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben%20Lauderdale%20Brexit%20deal%20MRP%20report.pdf
    I have read the study anhead
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unl

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straight Remain vs Leave with the deal was not asked in that study. Polls which do ask that question show a big lead for Remain.
    No they don't.

    That poll had Remain v Leave with the Deal at 50% 50% and Deltapoll had Leave with the Deal with a clear lead over Remain
    That poll did not ask the question. It estimated the figures based on ranked preferences.

    In a direct poll, YouGov has Remain ahead 63/37 among those certain to vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
    Yes it did ask the question.

    It had Remain 52% Leave with the Deal 48%, Remain 50% Leave with the Deal 50%, Leave with the Deal 65% No Deal 35%.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-

    Deltapoll has Leave with the Deal clearly ahead of Remain.

    The only poll you can quote is a People's Vote sponsored poll
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is a hoot ;)
    It's definitely in my top two Star Wars movies. Everyone has their own tastes of course, no one should be made to like it, but some of the complaints people make about it either apply to others which they claim to like (such as the humourous aspects that were all through Force Awakens or contrivances, the latter of which are all through the series), or are complete nonsense (certain bits not being 'answered' from the previous film as if the originals did that or certain 'twists' not foreshadowed when they very much were).

    It holds up better than Force Awakens, which is still fun. The thing I most liked about it is how it sort of jump started the retreading of the original trilogy cycle that Force Awakens did, so that now I don't really know what might come next.

    And this is controversial, but the acting in the new films is leagues better than the original trilogy. God knows I love those movies but some of the acting is just lame in parts.

    And while I'm getting it off my chest, I know it is cool to say so, but I really don't get why people act like the prequel trilogy are some of the worst films out there. Even for blockbusters that's not true. I cannot honestly say I think they are good films, I think there is one good movie made out of all the parts of the trilogy, but neither are they are bad as people act like they are - they are perfectly easy to sit through and rewatch.
    I have enjoyed all of them. Maybe I am easy pleased :D:D:D
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastin her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most Hastings voters would rather Leave with the Deal than Remain head to head
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comeont.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben%20Lauderdale%20Brexit%20deal%20MRP%20report.pdf
    I have read the study anhead
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unl

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straight Remain vs Leave with the deal was not asked in that study. Polls which do ask that question show a big lead for Remain.
    No they don't.

    That poll had Remain v Leave with the Deal at 50% 50% and Deltapoll had Leave with the Deal with a clear lead over Remain
    That poll did not ask the question. It estimated the figures based on ranked preferences.

    In a direct poll, YouGov has Remain ahead 63/37 among those certain to vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
    Yes it did ask the question.

    It had Remain 52% Leave with the Deal 48%, Remain 50% Leave with the Deal 50%, Leave with the Deal 65% No Deal 35%.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    “We do this by removing each option in turn, and then looking at the second choice of people who backed that option.”

    All they did was reallocate preferences. They did not directly ask people a two-way forced choice.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,856

    I don't know if people caught the Kevin Spacey YouTube video he put out on Christmas Eve...if you think Trump is deluded mad man, he ain't got nothing on Kev.

    At least he's not in the White House (yet). He has played Nixon though and of course your good self in the American House Of Cards.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202
    edited December 2018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastin her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most t-
    That’s e deal.
    Wrong.

    It is based on a head to head choice. Remain only leads on first preferences on 44% with the Leave vote divided between Deal and No Deal.

    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comeont.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben%20Lauderdale%20Brexit%20deal%20MRP%20report.pdf
    I have read the study anhead
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unl

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straightRemain.
    No they don'ain
    That poll did not ask the question. It estimated the figures based on ranked preferences.

    In a direct poll, YouGov has Remain ahead 63/37 among those certain to vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
    Yes it did ask the question.

    It had Remain 52% Leave with the Deal 48%, Remain 50% Leave with the Deal 50%, Leave with the Deal 65% No Deal 35%.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    “We do this by removing each option in turn, and then looking at the second choice of people who backed that option.”

    All they did was reallocate preferences. They did not directly ask people a two-way forced choice.
    So what it still produces the same result once first choice options are removed.

    Both Yougov and Deltapoll have Leave with the Deal at least tied with or ahead of Remain, the only poll you are quoting is from the pro Remain biased People's Vote campaign.

    Indeed Deltapoll has Leave with the Deal on 56% to just 44% for Remain

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1068243124076593152
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,895
    edited December 2018

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is a hoot ;)
    It's definitely in my top two Star Wars movies. Everyone has their own tastes of course, no one should be made to like it, but some of the complaints people make about it either apply to others which they claim to like (such as the humourous aspects that were all through Force Awakens or contrivances, the latter of which are all through the series), or are complete nonsense (certain bits not being 'answered' from the previous film as if the originals did that or certain 'twists' not foreshadowed when they very much were).

    It holds up better than Force Awakens, which is still fun. The thing I most liked about it is how it sort of jump started the retreading of the original trilogy cycle that Force Awakens did, so that now I don't really know what might come next.

    And this is controversial, but the acting in the new films is leagues better than the original trilogy. God knows I love those movies but some of the acting is just lame in parts.

    And while I'm getting it off my chest, I know it is cool to say so, but I really don't get why people act like the prequel trilogy are some of the worst films out there. Even for blockbusters that's not true. I cannot honestly say I think they are good films, I think there is one good movie made out of all the parts of the trilogy, but neither are they are bad as people act like they are - they are perfectly easy to sit through and rewatch.
    I have enjoyed all of them. Maybe I am easy pleased :D:D:D
    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,742
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastin her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most t-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.
    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comeont.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben%20Lauderdale%20Brexit%20deal%20MRP%20report.pdf
    I have read the study anhead
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unl

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straightRemain.
    No they don'ain
    That poll did not ask the question. It estimated the figures based on ranked preferences.

    In a direct poll, YouGov has Remain ahead 63/37 among those certain to vote.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
    Yes it did ask the question.

    It had Remain 52% Leave with the Deal 48%, Remain 50% Leave with the Deal 50%, Leave with the Deal 65% No Deal 35%.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
    “We do this by removing each option in turn, and then looking at the second choice of people who backed that option.”

    All they did was reallocate preferences. They did not directly ask people a two-way forced choice.
    So what it still produces the same result once first choice options are removed.

    Both Yougov and Deltapoll have Leave with the Deal at least tied with or ahead of Remain, the only poll you are quoting is from the pro Remain biased People's Vote campaign
    It’s a poll conducted by YouGov and is consistent with others. Who paid for it is irrelevant.

    Do you now accept that the poll you’re quoting didn’t ask a head to head Deal/Remain question?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,856
    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    kle4 said:


    And while I'm getting it off my chest, I know it is cool to say so, but I really don't get why people act like the prequel trilogy are some of the worst films out there. Even for blockbusters that's not true. I cannot honestly say I think they are good films, I think there is one good movie made out of all the parts of the trilogy, but neither are they are bad as people act like they are - they are perfectly easy to sit through and rewatch.

    I have enjoyed all of them. Maybe I am easy pleased :D:D:D
    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Milennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)
    Go on as much as you like. I do not care. They are only movies.

    I do not see you complaining that the Force does not exist or that the Star Wars cities have no safety rails to stop people plunging off bridges and walks or that whatever babble the characters talk, everyone understands each other.

    They are only movies with a basic plot of boy-meets-girl or coming-of-age or good-vs-evil. Sit back, enjoy the spectacle and just let it happen.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138

    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)

    1) There are manuals.
    2) Somebody retrieved it from Cloud City.
    3) They were looking for it/they were in the area.
    4) It's a filmic convention.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,202

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OllyT said:

    Vinny said:

    And Amber Rudd is loathed in Hastin her.

    I would hardly call 54% in a referendum two and a half years ago "solid".
    Hastings has flipped to Remain now.

    image
    Actually according to Yougov most t-
    That’s not based on a head to head choice. In a head to head choice, Remain has a double digit lead over the deal.
    Wrong.
    Head to head Leave with the Deal beats Remain in Hastings
    You’re wrong. The data comeont.net/cumulus_uploads/document/24pikzv1u7/Ben%20Lauderdale%20Brexit%20deal%20MRP%20report.pdf
    I have read the study anhead
    It’s not head to head unless you offer people a forced choice between only two options.
    Which could well happen.

    In the unl

    Those are the only EU referendum 2 questions the Sunday Times reported civil servants are preparing for
    Yes, and a straightRemain.
    No they don'ain
    That poll did not askntisfree/2018/dec/20/polls-stay-eu-yougov-brexit-peoples-vote
    Yees-it-
    “We do this by removing each option in turn, and then looking at the second choice of people who backed that option.”

    All they did was reallocate preferences. They did not directly ask people a two-way forced choice.
    So what it still produces the same result once first choice options are removed.

    Both Yougov and Deltapoll have Leave with the Deal at least tied with or ahead of Remain, the only poll you are quoting is from the pro Remain biased People's Vote campaign
    It’s a poll conducted by YouGov and is consistent with others. Who paid for it is irrelevant.

    Do you now accept that the poll you’re quoting didn’t ask a head to head Deal/Remain question?
    No it is not consistent with others.

    As I showed Deltapoll has Leave with the Deal on 56% to just 44% for Remain.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1068243124076593152


    I accept that the poll I showed had the Deal tied with Remain
  • viewcode said:

    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    1) There are manuals.
    Manuals? She isn't Johnny Number Five! :lol:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is a hoot ;)
    It's definitely in my top two Star Wars movies. Everyone has their own tastes of course, no one should be made to like it, but some of the complaints people make about it either apply to others which they claim to like (such as the humourous aspects that were all through Force Awakens or contrivances, the latter of which are all through the series), or are complete nonsense (certain bits not being 'answered' from the previous film as if the originals did that or certain 'twists' not foreshadowed when they very much were).

    It holds up better than Force Awakens, which is still fun. The thing I most liked about it is how it sort of jump started the retreading of the original trilogy cycle that Force Awakens did, so that now I don't really know what might come next.

    And this is controversial, but the acting in the new films is leagues better than the original trilogy. God knows I love those movies but some of the acting is just lame in parts.

    And while I'm getting it off my chest, I know it is cool to say so, but I really don't get why people act like the prequel trilogy are some of the worst films out there. Even for blockbusters that's not true. I cannot honestly say I think they are good films, I think there is one good movie made out of all the parts of the trilogy, but neither are they are bad as people act like they are - they are perfectly easy to sit through and rewatch.
    I have enjoyed all of them. Maybe I am easy pleased :D:D:D
    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)
    You'll be suggesting Father Christmas isn't real next!
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    viewcode said:

    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)

    1) There are manuals.
    2) Somebody retrieved it from Cloud City.
    3) They were looking for it/they were in the area.
    4) It's a filmic convention.
    Indeed the Haynes Millenium Falcon manual is just £10.99 on Amazon.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    edited December 2018

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!


    We had the hunt through our village on Christmas eve. And when I say through, I mean through.

    A lot of neighbours I know to be solid Tory voters are extremely pissed-off by having had an uninvited pack of hounds trampling through their gardens (and in some cases paddocks) - disturbing pets, chickens and horses.

    The local hunt is not doing a lot to make itself popular in this part of North Dorset.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    I thought that Dai Hard was a Welsh pornstar.

    Ho Ho Ho!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    viewcode said:

    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)

    1) There are manuals.
    2) Somebody retrieved it from Cloud City.
    3) They were looking for it/they were in the area.
    4) It's a filmic convention.
    Indeed the Haynes Millenium Falcon manual is just £10.99 on Amazon.
    Amazon deliver to Jakku?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    viewcode said:

    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)

    1) There are manuals.
    2) Somebody retrieved it from Cloud City.
    3) They were looking for it/they were in the area.
    4) It's a filmic convention.
    Indeed the Haynes Millenium Falcon manual is just £10.99 on Amazon.
    Amazon deliver to Jakku?
    Pass. But if their corporation tax rate is below Ireland's they'll have a subsidiary there.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
  • Lest we forget the Star Wars saga started because of a trade dispute.

    Which could be a metaphor for Brexit.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    Intelligent people hate the Disney-fication of Star Wars. Dumb people sit through these new-fangled films with their popcorn in hand :)
    How can you disneyfy something that was more twee and embarrassing than the 7 dwarves from the get go? Those dreadful comedy robots, and the wookie thing, were grounds for nuking the whole franchise from orbit from the very beginning. Plus there is only ever one plot, and it's not a very good one.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!


    We had the hunt through our village on Christmas eve. And when I say through, I mean through.

    A lot of neighbours I know to be solid Tory voters are extremely pissed-off by having had an uninvited pack of hounds trampling through their gardens (and in some cases paddocks) - disturbing pets, chickens and horses.

    The local hunt is not doing a lot to make itself popular in this part of North Dorset.
    Shouldn't be dogs involved if they're after a fox. And if its a drag hunt it shouldn't be going thru back gardens.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    edited December 2018
    By the way I have a new favourite word in the English language.

    https://twitter.com/RomeshRanga/status/1079067097047711744

    It will make an appearance in a future PB thread header, fuckwangled has replaced schadenfreude as my favourite word in the English language.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,728

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
  • kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    The $1.3 billion takings and 91% Rotten Tomatoes rating, box office and critical success Last Jedi?

    The flying Leia, grumpy Luke, milking those pervy milk things, casino sidequesting, pointless-Snoke-killing, BOMBERS IN ZERO GRAVITY Last Jedi, yes.
    Mock all you like, the makers were laughing all the way to the Bank and I enjoyed it the most of any Star Wars film since The Empire Strikes Back
    Well, you obviously didn't notice the plentiful plot-holes. The Force Awakens was likewise littered with convenient plot contrivances!
    Who cares? It is a hoot ;)
    It's definitely in my top two Star Wars movies. Everyone has their own tastes of course, no one should be made to like it, but some of the complaints people make about it either apply to others which they claim to like (such as the humourous aspects that were all through Force Awakens or contrivances, the latter of which are all through the series), or are complete nonsense (certain bits not being 'answered' from the previous film as if the originals did that or certain 'twists' not foreshadowed when they very much were).

    It holds up better than Force Awakens, which is still fun. The thing I most liked about it is how it sort of jump started the retreading of the original trilogy cycle that Force Awakens did, so that now I don't really know what might come next.

    And this is controversial, but the acting in the new films is leagues better than the original trilogy. God knows I love those movies but some of the acting is just lame in parts.
    ough and rewatch.
    I have enjoyed all of them. Maybe I am easy pleased :D:D:D
    So how does Rey know how to not only fly the Millennium Falcon, but repair it as well??

    How did Maz obtain the light-saber Luke lost in Cloud City??

    How did Han and Chewie find the Millennium Falcon just as Rey and Finn flee from Jakku??

    How it is possible to see the destruction of the Hosnian system by Starkiller Base from Maz's planet??

    Need I go on? ;)
    You'll be suggesting Father Christmas isn't real next!
    According to the new M & Ms advert he is real :)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    By the way I have a new favourite word in the English language.

    https://twitter.com/RomeshRanga/status/1079067097047711744

    It will make an appearance in a future PB thread header, fuckwangled has replaced schadenfreude as my favourite word in the English language.

    I thought about leaving the ground at 1-0 and claiming I had seen Arsenal win at Anfield.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    Intelligent people hate the Disney-fication of Star Wars. Dumb people sit through these new-fangled films with their popcorn in hand :)
    How can you disneyfy something that was more twee and embarrassing than the 7 dwarves from the get go? Those dreadful comedy robots, and the wookie thing, were grounds for nuking the whole franchise from orbit from the very beginning. Plus there is only ever one plot, and it's not a very good one.
    I find your lack of faith disturbing!

    I think they should have just kept to the first trilogy and ended the sag in 1983.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
    Oddly what would be killing fox hunting if people still did it, which they don't, is not the law but large scale commercial pheasant shooting which entails the genuine extermination of the entire fox population by gamekeepers with rifles and night sights, in support of a sport which positively aspires to kill 100s of proposed breed animals per day where hunting was always satisfied with just a couple.
  • Hey Siri, show me the wrongest opinion in the history of Twitter, nae, the history of mankind.

    https://twitter.com/MicMacW/status/1079486788673196033
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,627

    I thought that Dai Hard was a Welsh pornstar.

    Ho Ho Ho!

    My friend had the best accidental porn name.

    Phil Beaver.

    What were his parents thinking?
  • tlg86 said:

    By the way I have a new favourite word in the English language.

    https://twitter.com/RomeshRanga/status/1079067097047711744

    It will make an appearance in a future PB thread header, fuckwangled has replaced schadenfreude as my favourite word in the English language.

    I thought about leaving the ground at 1-0 and claiming I had seen Arsenal win at Anfield.
    Last night included the worst defending I have ever seen and I saw Djimi Traore score an own goal when he did a Cruyff turn on his own goal line.

    How many Arsenal players were on their arses for Bobby's second goal?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Ishmael_Z said:

    I like to think the Star Wars debates on here form some sort of proxy war for Brexit.

    I'd like some polling commissioned to examine correlations between liked/disliked SW films and Leave/Remain voting.

    Intelligent people hate the Disney-fication of Star Wars. Dumb people sit through these new-fangled films with their popcorn in hand :)
    How can you disneyfy something that was more twee and embarrassing than the 7 dwarves from the get go? Those dreadful comedy robots, and the wookie thing, were grounds for nuking the whole franchise from orbit from the very beginning. Plus there is only ever one plot, and it's not a very good one.
    I find your lack of faith disturbing!

    I think they should have just kept to the first trilogy and ended the sag in 1983.
    Phantom menace is definitely the worst film I've paid to watch in a cinema. And I took my granddaughter to see the emoji movie.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,627
    Anyway, Red Zone beckons.....
  • Hey Siri, show me the wrongest opinion in the history of Twitter, nae, the history of mankind.

    https://twitter.com/MicMacW/status/1079486788673196033

    Episode 1 was called The Phantom Menace!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!


    We had the hunt through our village on Christmas eve. And when I say through, I mean through.

    A lot of neighbours I know to be solid Tory voters are extremely pissed-off by having had an uninvited pack of hounds trampling through their gardens (and in some cases paddocks) - disturbing pets, chickens and horses.

    The local hunt is not doing a lot to make itself popular in this part of North Dorset.
    Shouldn't be dogs involved if they're after a fox. And if its a drag hunt it shouldn't be going thru back gardens.
    No idea what they were chasing. At one point the pack went into the grasskeep field opposite and split up, most going to one corner and a handful coming across the the opposite corner. The field often has a few sika deer in it so I wouldn't be surprised of the dogs got a scent of those. Our neighbour lost one of his chickens (later found alive in another neighbour's garden tbf). His horses, dogs and chickens all disturbed.

    I don't blame the dogs - if they pick up a scent of something wild and interesting they are going to follow it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
    Fishing is not illegal though is it.
  • A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
    Fishing is not illegal though is it.
    Doesn't change whether its evil or not though. Why are fishermen not "evil cnuts"?
  • Les Misérables without any songs?

    That's like having an orgy on your own.

    SO WRONG.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,286

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    Bruce himself has spoken: it is not a Christmas movie, but a “god damn Bruce Willis movie”.
    https://www.radiox.co.uk/news/tv-film/is-die-hard-a-christmas-film/

    Granted, the accompanying poll is of the easily deluded US public, but still...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    I thought that Dai Hard was a Welsh pornstar.

    Ho Ho Ho!

    My friend had the best accidental porn name.

    Phil Beaver.

    What were his parents thinking?
    My cousin married a John Thomas - lots of giggles during the ceremony ...
  • Considering IDS hasn't been in the role for more than 2.5 years, during which time there have been multiple budgets, changes and there were ongoing trials the entire period - I fail to see how he is any more responsible than say George Osborne.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Les Misérables without any songs?

    That's like having an orgy on your own.

    SO WRONG.

    I am not sure Victor Hugo would agree with you.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
    Yes. Sick feckers as well.
  • Michael van baldy currently showing why he is the best darter ever...
  • Nigelb said:


    Bruce himself has spoken: it is not a Christmas movie, but a “god damn Bruce Willis movie”.
    https://www.radiox.co.uk/news/tv-film/is-die-hard-a-christmas-film/

    Granted, the accompanying poll is of the easily deluded US public, but still...

    Thank you, only the terminally stupid will continue to maintain that Die Hard is a Christmas film.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,138
    Nigelb said:

    Obligatory best Chrimbo movie watching completed...i.e. Die Hard, Die Hard 2, Home Alone....The question is do I inflict the disasters that are Die Hard 3+ and / or same with Home Alone on Chez Urquhart?

    There's more snow in The Empire Strikes Back than in Die Hard, just saying.

    I assume you were eating pizzas with pineapples on them whilst watching those films?
    Just saying...

    The neatest summary I can provide is to say that there are many Christmas elements in the movie. Although the studio did not intend it to be a Christmas movie, some of the film’s key creators did. Either way, it’s certainly fair to say that Die Hard is regarded as a Christmas movie in popular culture.

    Like it or not, the association between Die Hard and Christmas is fast increasing and in years to come its Christmassyness will be beyond question.

    https://stephenfollows.com/using-data-to-determine-if-die-hard-is-a-christmas-movie/

    On a more serious note, I forget how adult Die Hard actually is. I always remember it as kind of Ocean's Eleven type movie, but there is quite a few scenes in there that aren't suitable for kids. I believe it might have even been an 18 at time of release.
    It was released in July 1988, definitely not a Christmas film.

    Plus the people have spoken,

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/937731219743264768
    Well the experts disagree with you.

    Voted the Number 1 Christmas Movie by Empire Magazine readers.
    Described as unquestionably a Christmas Movie by Mark Kermode (with a long explanation about how it is set at Christmas, has a Christmas party as its main setting, includes a Christmas story of redemption and has the lead female character called Holly).
    Included as one of the great Christmas movies by the Sky Arts movie team.

    Face it, as with your attitude to the French, denying Solo as great Star wars film and pineapple on pizza, this is just another example of how wrong you can be.
    The Empire poll is a voodoo poll, the YouGov poll is a properly weighted poll.

    Mark Kermode, we're in the age of sick and tired of experts.
    Bruce himself has spoken: it is not a Christmas movie, but a “god damn Bruce Willis movie”.
    https://www.radiox.co.uk/news/tv-film/is-die-hard-a-christmas-film/

    Granted, the accompanying poll is of the easily deluded US public, but still...
    The intention of the auteur is not necessarily the best reading of the text.

    [Oh yeah. I can speak fluent bullshit... :) ]
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
    Fishing is not illegal though is it.
    Doesn't change whether its evil or not though. Why are fishermen not "evil cnuts"?
    Stop carping. Probably said before but we have a fox and hunt in the cabinet. And two fish.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    A couple of unrelated points.

    Firstly there appears to be a lot of pontificating on the consequences of a no deal Brexit from people who don't seem overly well-informed one way or the other. I'm amazed how many claim it will be just fine/total disaster (delete as appropriate) without appearing to need any expert knowledge.

    Secondly what is the pb view on hunting - specifically of foxes? Part of my social media feed seems to think civil war is about to break out in the countryside. Maybe that just says something about my friends!

    Hunting - lock the feckers up, evil cnuts.

    About time the police did their job and enforced the law.
    I look forward to you saying the same about people who fish ... ;)
    Fishing is not illegal though is it.
    Doesn't change whether its evil or not though. Why are fishermen not "evil cnuts"?
    They either put the fish back (mostly) or at least eat them.

    Not many foxes get put back.
  • Les Misérables without any songs?

    That's like having an orgy on your own.

    SO WRONG.

    I am not sure Victor Hugo would agree with you.
    Well what would he know?
  • tlg86 said:

    By the way I have a new favourite word in the English language.

    https://twitter.com/RomeshRanga/status/1079067097047711744

    It will make an appearance in a future PB thread header, fuckwangled has replaced schadenfreude as my favourite word in the English language.

    I thought about leaving the ground at 1-0 and claiming I had seen Arsenal win at Anfield.
    You wouldn't have had long to get out of the ground to make your claim! You'd have likely still been at Anfield by 2-1 ;)
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