That’s OK though - the nail bar sector is flourishing.
At the risk of sounding like the kind of cunt I hate, you're talking Britain down. Britain has a lot of really good industries that it does really well. Pharma is excellent, higher education is very good, software development is good and often great especially stuff like game development, finance is often world-beating. The things I mentioned are are *service* industries, but "service industry" doesn't equal "nail bar" and the hard currency you get for selling those services to foreigners is just as good as if you were selling them coal. And there's a fair bit of high-value-add manufacturing too.
I completely agree. It always annoyed me that "services" are treated like an after-thought to Manufacturing. As if they were somehow 2nd rate
It’s Stakhanovite cretin level thinking. It appeals to many.
McDonnell said as much on Thursday. However, he went on to say that he agreed with the Varoufakis approach of sending as many socialists as possible to Brussels to achieve reform from within.
Madness. The abandonment of state aid has made the whole European continent wealthier and leaner.
I'm sure the former steelworkers of Redcar will agree.
The UK lacks indigenous iron ore. It lacks cheap energy.
Are you suggesting that the government should subsidise things that we cannot have a competitive advantage in perpetually?
Or would it be better if the government - as happened in East Germany - encouraged and subsidised areas to move on?
Look at the bigger picture. If you shut down industry the state has to pay people to sit at home. Healthcare costs rise. Social services costs rise. Criminality increases. Academic performance of the next generation declines. Other businesses in the area go to the wall. Our balance of payments deficit gets worse.
It can be more cost effective for government to intervene to support British industry and British society. As well being the ethical thing to do.
When you say ‘can’, could you point to an example of when supporting outdated industry has been a success?
Nationalising and bailing out Rolls-Royce when they bankrupted themselves developing the RB211 was probably the right move in hindsight.
Equally, forcing Rootes to open Linwood killed the company. State intervention in industry has trended more to the latter than Rolls-Royce.
matt - I think the quotes are screwed up on your post. I don't recall saying that
Yeah. In essence the idea that manufacturing is of greater moral value than services is the sort of nonsense that politicans and other hard of thinking individuals love.
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
Was there a pun in there? Your post was somewhat cryptic.
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
Was there a pun in there? Your post was somewhat cryptic.
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
My guess is that 6 down will be Brexit......
2 down is Brexit Secretarys.
Brexit lends itself to good clues - with the king in the middle bit.....
Looking forward to it, St John. I've sent them a vanilla message them to make sure they don't miss your message here.
Thanks RobD.
I'm much looking forward to a thread about stjohn's invariably excellent crossword rather than yet another fecking thread full of cross words about Brexit.
My guess is that 6 down will be Brexit......
2 down is Brexit Secretarys.
6 million down is 'Corbyn's support this last week?'
Corbyn is clueless. The EU aren’t going to renegotiate their deal which gives them everything they want for nothing much in return and Article 50 needs EU permission to be extended. They have already said they won’t do that except for a second referendum which Corbyn ruled out today, thereby alienating the naive youth who backed him last time on a false promise of tuition fees abolition.
Corbyn might well win the next GE after May loses both her deal and the subsequent VONC but he won’t extend article 50, which perversely, reduces his chances of winning the GE.
I should add that i did have some customers who were uk based and traded in Holland under a .eu domain. That was their only domain and so they will undoubtedly be affected
Can they not do what Robert suggested, open an Estonian subsidiary for peanuts and keep the website registered under that subsidiary?
I am sure they can. But it is added admin and added costs that they do not have to face today. There is no advantage conferred by Brexit - quite the opposite. One of the Brexit promises was reduced admin....
I know is only small, but think of a burger bun with 100 sesame seeds on top. The company realises that it can save 5% by using 95 seeds per bun and does so. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off.... all small changes with no apparent effect except at some point someone notices the seeds have thinned out. Do it 20 times and there are no seeds.
Make enough small, innocuous changes and cumulatively they can have an effect.
The Tories are going to reap a whirlwind for doing this to Britain.
That's just projection. Lot's of people support Brexit, and support the Conservatives accordingly,
And when the supermarket doesn't have x,y,z because of Brexit the Conservatives will collect all the blame.
The only reason it isn't obvious now is because Labour is so bad....
There are a couple of generations of UK citizens who have grown up in a world of almost endless choice, and ready supply of goods, food and services. You have to be at least, what 50-odd, to even remember the three day week or 70s power cuts etc, never mind war rationing.
Given the state people get into when say KFC can't deliver, or there is a rail strike, then there will be almighty hell if any of the No Deal warnings turn out to be true.
Ooh do KFC do deliveries now ? Didn't realise that. Not that there is one near me anyway !
Corbyn is clueless. The EU aren’t going to renegotiate their deal which gives them everything they want for nothing much in return and Article 50 needs EU permission to be extended. They have already said they won’t do that except for a second referendum which Corbyn ruled out today, thereby alienating the naive youth who backed him last time on a false promise of tuition fees abolition.
Corbyn might well win the next GE after May loses both her deal and the subsequent VONC but he won’t extend article 50, which perversely, reduces his chances of winning the GE.
If May's Deal does not go through, Corbyn might not win if he does not back EUref2 as much of his support could then switch to the LDs rather than face No Deal or Corbyn's May Deal+ which the EU might not agree anyway
The Tories are going to reap a whirlwind for doing this to Britain.
That's just projection. Lot's of people support Brexit, and support the Conservatives accordingly,
And when the supermarket doesn't have x,y,z because of Brexit the Conservatives will collect all the blame.
The only reason it isn't obvious now is because Labour is so bad....
There are a couple of generations of UK citizens who have grown up in a world of almost endless choice, and ready supply of goods, food and services. You have to be at least, what 50-odd, to even remember the three day week or 70s power cuts etc, never mind war rationing.
Given the state people get into when say KFC can't deliver, or there is a rail strike, then there will be almighty hell if any of the No Deal warnings turn out to be true.
Ooh do KFC do deliveries now ? Didn't realise that. Not that there is one near me anyway !
They did it briefly, then they chickened out due to logistical difficulties.
The Resolution Foundation says easier credit conditions and a slowdown in house price growth in recent years have helped first time buyers.
Yet although home ownership amongst 25 to 34 year olds is 3% up on 2016 it is still half the level of the 1980s when half that age group owned a property with 34% of young families in the private rental sector compared to 9% in the 1980s
I should add that i did have some customers who were uk based and traded in Holland under a .eu domain. That was their only domain and so they will undoubtedly be affected
Can they not do what Robert suggested, open an Estonian subsidiary for peanuts and keep the website registered under that subsidiary?
I am sure they can. But it is added admin and added costs that they do not have to face today. There is no advantage conferred by Brexit - quite the opposite. One of the Brexit promises was reduced admin....
I know is only small, but think of a burger bun with 100 sesame seeds on top. The company realises that it can save 5% by using 95 seeds per bun and does so. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off.... all small changes with no apparent effect except at some point someone notices the seeds have thinned out. Do it 20 times and there are no seeds.
Make enough small, innocuous changes and cumulatively they can have an effect.
Actually, if you take 5% off each time then after 20 times you will have about 35 seeds left (I’m ignoring the fact that seeds are not a continuous variable, which in practice would reduce it a bit, but it would still be more than zero). You are correct if you remove five seeds each time, but after the first round that would be is an increasing percentage of what’s left and so increasingly likely to be noticed.
I should add that i did have some customers who were uk based and traded in Holland under a .eu domain. That was their only domain and so they will undoubtedly be affected
Can they not do what Robert suggested, open an Estonian subsidiary for peanuts and keep the website registered under that subsidiary?
I am sure they can. But it is added admin and added costs that they do not have to face today. There is no advantage conferred by Brexit - quite the opposite. One of the Brexit promises was reduced admin....
I know is only small, but think of a burger bun with 100 sesame seeds on top. The company realises that it can save 5% by using 95 seeds per bun and does so. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off.... all small changes with no apparent effect except at some point someone notices the seeds have thinned out. Do it 20 times and there are no seeds.
Make enough small, innocuous changes and cumulatively they can have an effect.
Actually, if you take 5% off each time then after 20 times you will have about 35 seeds left (I’m ignoring the fact that seeds are not a continuous variable, which in practice would reduce it a bit, but it would still be more than zero). You are correct if you remove five seeds each time, but after the first round that would be is an increasing percentage of what’s left and so increasingly likely to be noticed.
I wondered how long it would be until someone took the whole thing to extremes and totally miss the point.
The Tories are going to reap a whirlwind for doing this to Britain.
That's just projection. Lot's of people support Brexit, and support the Conservatives accordingly,
And when the supermarket doesn't have x,y,z because of Brexit the Conservatives will collect all the blame.
The only reason it isn't obvious now is because Labour is so bad....
There are a couple of generations of UK citizens who have grown up in a world of almost endless choice, and ready supply of goods, food and services. You have to be at least, what 50-odd, to even remember the three day week or 70s power cuts etc, never mind war rationing.
Given the state people get into when say KFC can't deliver, or there is a rail strike, then there will be almighty hell if any of the No Deal warnings turn out to be true.
Ooh do KFC do deliveries now ? Didn't realise that. Not that there is one near me anyway !
They don’t, but Deliveroo do: I discovered this while recuperating from an op and it did not help my speedy recovery.
George Osborne says the Tory Party faces a 'prolonged period' in opposition "unless it engages with modern Britain and adopts the essentially socially-liberal, pro-business, internationalist approach which I think is the right one for the country".
He also says a No Deal Brexit would be 'reckless' and believes another general election or referendum could take place within a year in which he would urge people to reject the Brexit decision https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46655969
Re the services are not real, only manufacturing is attitude: if @ydoethur is still around he might be able to back me up that a similar attitude existed two centuries ago, but with agriculture as “real” and manufacturing as not.
Or he may tell me I’ve got it all wrong of course...
I should add that i did have some customers who were uk based and traded in Holland under a .eu domain. That was their only domain and so they will undoubtedly be affected
Can they not do what Robert suggested, open an Estonian subsidiary for peanuts and keep the website registered under that subsidiary?
I am sure they can. But it is added admin and added costs that they do not have to face today. There is no advantage conferred by Brexit - quite the opposite. One of the Brexit promises was reduced admin....
I know is only small, but think of a burger bun with 100 sesame seeds on top. The company realises that it can save 5% by using 95 seeds per bun and does so. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off.... all small changes with no apparent effect except at some point someone notices the seeds have thinned out. Do it 20 times and there are no seeds.
Make enough small, innocuous changes and cumulatively they can have an effect.
Actually, if you take 5% off each time then after 20 times you will have about 35 seeds left (I’m ignoring the fact that seeds are not a continuous variable, which in practice would reduce it a bit, but it would still be more than zero). You are correct if you remove five seeds each time, but after the first round that would be is an increasing percentage of what’s left and so increasingly likely to be noticed.
I wondered how long it would be until someone took the whole thing to extremes and totally miss the point.
Re the services are not real, only manufacturing is attitude: if @ydoethur is still around he might be able to back me up that a similar attitude existed two centuries ago, but with agriculture as “real” and manufacturing as not.
Or he may tell me I’ve got it all wrong of course...
Yes, and that persisted well into the nineteenth century.
George Osborne says the Tory Party faces a 'prolonged period' in opposition "unless it engages with modern Britain and adopts the essentially socially-liberal, pro-business, internationalist approach which I think is the right one for the country".
He also says a No Deal Brexit would be 'reckless' and believes another general election or referendum could take place within a year in which he would urge people to reject the Brexit decision https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46655969
I’ll translate that “if you are not comfortable with the rest of the uk looking like London you’re not welcome”
Disagree with this. Corbyn would actually secretly wouldn't be unhappy with a No Deal Brexit as it would likely collapse the government and provide a Year Zero for his declarative socialism. By contrast There are two things that are often missed about Corbyn's politics despite being in plain sight. The first is that he doesn't believe in the norms that all previous Labour leaders (inc. Michael Foot) did. It's most often noted on foreign policy but is also true domestically. When people do attack him for this it's more often to express fears about the hard left's authoritarianism, but it's probably more important that he's just not prepared to do much to preserve an economic system he hated even when it was delivering prosperity that funded things Labour likes. No deal may terrify those worried about their jobs and centre/soft left MPs but why would it Corbyn? A Tory no deal would be the opportunity of a lifetime for him. Secondly, where he differs from the old hard left is that he's a declarative socialist rather than a Bennite one - there's little grand theory beyond the idea that a socialist government can solve any ill put in front of it by declaring it will be solved. Therefore, Brexit outcomes that (rightly) terrify ordinary Labour MPs and members hold far less fear for Corbyn. After all, if the economic damage can be quickly reversed by a socialist government's willingness to throw money at state aid and huge social spending, then it's far less scary and something you'd countenance for political gain.
Now, there's a gambit there, in that it relies on him not getting the blame and being deserted by pro-European left-wingers. But it's not unreasonable given that No Deal would tear the Tories apart, the chaos would require us to elect someone, and so far, despite mass provocation, the centre-left has been unwilling and unable to say 'Enough is enough' and put forward effective opposition - either internally or externally. If past trends repeat themselves remain Labour will get angry and then hold their nose.
Compare that to May's deal passing - which would be a big political win for her, temporarily park the issue in a way that would provide the Tories an opportunity (one they're unlikely to take, but still) to regroup, preserve an economic system Corbyn doesn't much like anyway as well as giving the Tories the chance to firm up support with retail offers.
I mean, who knows what Corbyn actually wants (I don't think he knows himself) but if there's an incidental outcome he doesn't enact himself, I'd say it's No Deal rather than the Tory one.
Disagree with this. Corbyn would actually secretly wouldn't be unhappy with a No Deal Brexit as it would likely collapse the government and provide a Year Zero for his declarative socialism. By contrast There are two things that are often missed about Corbyn's politics despite being in plain sight. The first is that he doesn't believe in the norms that all previous Labour leaders (inc. Michael Foot) did. It's most often noted on foreign policy but is also true domestically. When people do attack him for this it's more often to express fears about the hard left's authoritarianism, but it's probably more important that he's just not prepared to do much to preserve an economic system he hated even when it was delivering prosperity that funded things Labour likes. No deal may terrify those worried about their jobs and centre/soft left MPs but why would it Corbyn? A Tory no deal would be the opportunity of a lifetime for him. Secondly, where he differs from the old hard left is that he's a terrify ordinary Labour MPs and members hold far less fear for Corbyn. After all, if the economic damage can be quickly reversed by a socialist government's willingness to throw money at state aid and huge social spending, then it's far less scary and something you'd countenance for political gain.
Now, there's a gambit there, in that it relies on him not getting the blame and being deserted by pro-European left-wingers. But it's not unreasonable given that No Deal would tear the Tories apart, the chaos would require us to elect someone, and so far, despite mass provocation, the centre-left has been unwilling and unable to say 'Enough is enough' and put forward effective opposition - either internally or externally. If past trends repeat themselves remain Labour will get angry and then hold their nose.
Compare that to May's deal passing - which would be a big political win for her, temporarily park the issue in a way that would provide the Tories an opportunity (one they're unlikely to take, but still) to regroup, preserve an economic system Corbyn doesn't much like anyway as well as giving the Tories the chance to firm up support with retail offers.
I mean, who knows what Corbyn actually wants (I don't think he knows himself) but if there's an incidental outcome he doesn't enact himself, I'd say it's No Deal rather than the Tory one.
It's interesting how often we see people here commenting at length on Corbyn's economic views. Yet how much has Corbyn ever said, or written, about economic theory? Indeed is he even that interested in domestic economic affairs, having spent most of his life championing matters of foreign affairs?
In reality I suspect McDonnell - who is a Marxist - will be driving their economy policy.
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Yes, Brexit in a nutshell...
Corbyn might well win the next GE after May loses both her deal and the subsequent VONC but he won’t extend article 50, which perversely, reduces his chances of winning the GE.
I know is only small, but think of a burger bun with 100 sesame seeds on top. The company realises that it can save 5% by using 95 seeds per bun and does so. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off. No one complains, so it takes another 5% off.... all small changes with no apparent effect except at some point someone notices the seeds have thinned out. Do it 20 times and there are no seeds.
Make enough small, innocuous changes and cumulatively they can have an effect.
Yet although home ownership amongst 25 to 34 year olds is 3% up on 2016 it is still half the level of the 1980s when half that age group owned a property with 34% of young families in the private rental sector compared to 9% in the 1980s
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They don’t, but Deliveroo do: I discovered this while recuperating from an op and it did not help my speedy recovery.
He also says a No Deal Brexit would be 'reckless' and believes another general election or referendum could take place within a year in which he would urge people to reject the Brexit decision
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46655969
Or he may tell me I’ve got it all wrong of course...
Oh btw NEW THREAD
I’ll translate that “if you are not comfortable with the rest of the uk looking like London you’re not welcome”
Now, there's a gambit there, in that it relies on him not getting the blame and being deserted by pro-European left-wingers. But it's not unreasonable given that No Deal would tear the Tories apart, the chaos would require us to elect someone, and so far, despite mass provocation, the centre-left has been unwilling and unable to say 'Enough is enough' and put forward effective opposition - either internally or externally. If past trends repeat themselves remain Labour will get angry and then hold their nose.
Compare that to May's deal passing - which would be a big political win for her, temporarily park the issue in a way that would provide the Tories an opportunity (one they're unlikely to take, but still) to regroup, preserve an economic system Corbyn doesn't much like anyway as well as giving the Tories the chance to firm up support with retail offers.
I mean, who knows what Corbyn actually wants (I don't think he knows himself) but if there's an incidental outcome he doesn't enact himself, I'd say it's No Deal rather than the Tory one.
In reality I suspect McDonnell - who is a Marxist - will be driving their economy policy.