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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013

    I'm unconvinced by this poll. Con 27 and UKIP 17 does not seem right.

    Combined Con + UKIP scores this week

    Opinium = 44%

    Ipsos-Mori = 45%

    ICM = 46%

    YouGov = 45%

    TNS BMRB = 47%

    Populus =42%
    A good reason for the Right to support PR as UKIP and Conservatives are on the same side.

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tim_B said:

    College Game Day was in Clemson this morning,

    Ready for the BIG game tomorrow?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    I'd like to look at the underlying for both of these
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Interesting on BBC Parl at the mo'... you can restart on here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcparliament/live
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    Nutty little Europeans believe any tom dick and harry can come here,you wouldn't mind if the England trebled in population and that just down to immigration,how fcuking mad is that.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    College Game Day was in Clemson this morning,

    Ready for the BIG game tomorrow?
    Peyton's return to Indy?

    As you know, I'm not a fan.....

    http://tracking.si.com/2013/10/17/dallas-cowboys-harris-poll-most-popular/

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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Carola said:

    Interesting on BBC Parl at the mo'... you can restart on here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/tv/bbcparliament/live

    Talking about the Tory party and class/image.

    Nothing new under the sun.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,322
    Table on UKPR says last Opinium was C 31, L 35.

    Implies tonight's poll is C -4. But Anthony says C -2.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    College Game Day was in Clemson this morning,

    Ready for the BIG game tomorrow?
    The Seminoles Tight End, Nick O'Leary, is Jack Nicklaus' grandson. Jack and Barbara Nicklaus will be at the game this evening.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    What is striking is how few kippers ALL the telephone polls have in their base numbers compared to online polls.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tim_B said:


    Peyton's return to Indy?

    Yes, that's the one. I definitely think you should watch that, to ease the pain...
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380
    edited October 2013
    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    Did she? Where do you get that extraordinary notion from?
    It's reasonably supported by this myth-debunking analysis:

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths

    I don't remember Thatcher ever expressing concern about European immigration. In general, though, it's difficult to guess how historical figures would have reacted to current controversies. A lot of people seem in reality to adopt a position on, say, the "moderate right" or the "hard left" and adopt whatever ideas seem to be current in that part of the spectrum at the time. I was anti-EU in 1973 (it's a capitalist body which will delay socialism in Britain) and I'm pro-EU now (it's a sensible partnership that helps modernise Britain) - is that really because I've reconsidered, or because the terms of the debate have changed and I've moved with my gang? A bit of both, perhaps.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    Nutty little Europeans believe any tom dick and harry can come here,you wouldn't mind if the England trebled in population and that just down to immigration,how fcuking mad is that.

    You want to stop all those Brit pensioners having the right to move to France and Spain?
    I wanted the EU to stay as it was before we expanded to Eastern Europe,so you got my answer.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Sean_F said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    Did she? Where do you get that extraordinary notion from?
    It's reasonably supported by this myth-debunking analysis:

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths

    I don't remember Thatcher ever expressing concern about European immigration. In general, though, it's difficult to guess how historical figures would have reacted to current controversies. A lot of people seem in reality to adopt a position on, say, the "moderate right" or the "hard left" and adopt whatever ideas seem to be current in that part of the spectrum at the time. I was anti-EU in 1973 (it's a capitalist body which will delay socialism in Britain) and I'm pro-EU now (it's a sensible partnership that helps modernise Britain) - is that really because I've reconsidered, or because the terms of the debate have changed and I've moved with my gang? A bit of both, perhaps.
    It's because you are a politician, Dr. Palmer.
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    Clegg disowning Tory flagship education policy.I wonder what he knows and we don`t

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/19/clegg-gove-schools-education-policy
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SMukesh said:

    Clegg disowning Tory flagship education policy.I wonder what he knows and we don`t

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/19/clegg-gove-schools-education-policy

    Just to bad your new labour shadow education sec as fallen in love with free schools.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    tim said:

    @Avery

    Cameron preaching about the cost of politics after blowing up to £100 million on the police commissioner farce is amusing.

    I am more interested in the link between pay and productivity.

    A deferred pay rise for MPs linked to yet to be agreed improvements in productivity would be exactly the right signal for Parliament to send at this stage of the economic recovery.

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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650

    SMukesh said:

    Clegg disowning Tory flagship education policy.I wonder what he knows and we don`t

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/19/clegg-gove-schools-education-policy

    Just to bad your new labour shadow education sec as fallen in love with free schools.
    It`s easy to `u` turn in opposition,cue watch the emerging `u` turn on HS2.

    If problems start emerging in free shools,Labour will `u` turn before you can say `free schools`.They don`t like the policy anyway.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    edited October 2013
    My God England have lost in Rugby League to Italy !

    Thats a bit like Iran beating England in the footy or some such.

    Could have got 500-1 on Betfair !
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:

    My God England have lost in Rugby League to Italy !

    Thats a bit like Iran beating England in the footy or some such.

    Could have got 500-1 on Betfair !

    England face the aussies in opener of world cup next week ;-)

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,776
    edited October 2013
    Pulpstar said:

    My God England have lost in Rugby League to Italy !

    Thats a bit like Iran beating England in the footy or some such.

    Could have got 500-1 on Betfair !

    Losing to 3-1 Australia in 2003 at home in Association Football is comparable

    I was there.

    I was the victim of police discrimination that night, all the Aussies with backpacks weren't checked, whereas I was.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    @SMukesh

    "Clegg disowning Tory flagship education policy.I wonder what he knows and we don`t"

    "The Observer can reveal that a second unqualified headteacher of a free school has quit her post following criticism. Last week the Guardian revealed that Annaliese Briggs, a 27-year-old with no teaching qualifications who had been appointed as headteacher of Pimlico free school in London, had resigned after just three weeks in the job."

    Good grief! Surely It's now time for Gove to step down.
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    I'm sure this is all part of the strategy to make Labour look well 'ard....

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/19/union-chiefs-rachel-reeves-labour-welfare-pledge?CMP=twt_fd

    Also touches on the living standards 'crisis', do Labour no longer support the 1% public sector wage cap, jobs rather than wages growth as Ed Balls I thought was saying?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,776
    edited October 2013
    Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 1m

    @MSmithsonPB @OpiniumResearch Cam's (33% appr, 51% disappr, -18% net) now almost level with Ed M (25% approve, 44% disapprove, -19% net).

    Changes from their last poll

    DC minus 8

    Ed plus 2

    Which maybe simple unwind as the last poll showed a 7 plus increase for Dave
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    SMukesh said:

    Clegg disowning Tory flagship education policy.I wonder what he knows and we don`t

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/19/clegg-gove-schools-education-policy

    Just to bad your new labour shadow education sec as fallen in love with free schools.
    Worse than that, he thinks 'great' teachers get 'sucked up' into senior management. The opposite is the case in my experience.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    edited October 2013
    Roger said:

    a second unqualified headteacher of a free school has quit her post following criticism.

    Good grief! Surely It's now time for Gove to step down.

    Shocking!

    Under Labour they would have kept their jobs!

    Gove must go!
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited October 2013

    Toby Helm ‏@tobyhelm 1m

    @MSmithsonPB @OpiniumResearch Cam's (33% appr, 51% disappr, -18% net) now almost level with Ed M (25% approve, 44% disapprove, -19% net).

    Changes from their last poll

    DC minus 8

    Ed plus 2

    Which maybe simple unwind as the last poll showed a 7 plus increase for Dave

    On cam,That's down to his weakness on energy bills or companies.

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    SeanT said:

    Can I just say how much I agree with the new idea of a third class on Britain's railways.

    Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes: lawyers, accountants, advertising directors, wine merchants, politicians. I have no objection to these people sipping their "teas" and "coffees" in a nice seat, but surely there should be some "middling class" on the railways - a premium economy, as it were, or Budget Business, befitting their true social status?

    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First Class.

    This would surely decrease unsightly social friction for everyone.

    First Class = Snob Class
    Business = Spiv Class
    Economy/Standard = Steerage

    :)
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    Pulpstar said:

    My God England have lost in Rugby League to Italy !

    Thats a bit like Iran beating England in the footy or some such.

    Could have got 500-1 on Betfair !

    Losing to 3-1 Australia in 2003 at home in Association Football is comparable

    I was there.

    I was the victim of police discrimination that night, all the Aussies with backpacks weren't checked, whereas I was.
    That's 'cos you were shouting 'Plebs' at the Ozzies.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    Roger said:

    @SMukesh

    "Clegg disowning Tory flagship education policy.I wonder what he knows and we don`t"

    "The Observer can reveal that a second unqualified headteacher of a free school has quit her post following criticism. Last week the Guardian revealed that Annaliese Briggs, a 27-year-old with no teaching qualifications who had been appointed as headteacher of Pimlico free school in London, had resigned after just three weeks in the job."

    Good grief! Surely It's now time for Gove to step down.

    It is the product of creative tension, Roger.

    Both the events at the Al-Madinah Free School in Derby and the resignation of Annaliese Briggs are symptoms of risk taking and innovation. Provided these incidents remain a tiny proportion of all activity in free schools they represent success rather than failure.

    Innovation and creation require risk taking and experimentation. Not all risks pay back with rewards: not all experiments lead to success.

    The fact that the current embedded educational system is being challenged is a cause for celebration.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,776
    edited October 2013

    Pulpstar said:

    My God England have lost in Rugby League to Italy !

    Thats a bit like Iran beating England in the footy or some such.

    Could have got 500-1 on Betfair !

    Losing to 3-1 Australia in 2003 at home in Association Football is comparable

    I was there.

    I was the victim of police discrimination that night, all the Aussies with backpacks weren't checked, whereas I was.
    That's 'cos you were shouting 'Plebs' at the Ozzies.
    I'll remember that the next time the police annoy me.

    That night I was shouting at the Aussies

    "Get your shit stars off our flag"
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650

    Roger said:

    a second unqualified headteacher of a free school has quit her post following criticism.

    Good grief! Surely It's now time for Gove to step down.

    Shocking!

    Under Labour they would have kept their job!

    Gove must go!
    It`s Lab policy not to have unqualified teachers,never mind heads in schools.
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    Some 33% said they approved of Cameron's performance as prime minister against just 22% who said they were positive about Miliband's leadership of Labour, while 13% approved of Nick Clegg's stewardship of the Lib Dems.

    Sat 27th July 2013

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jul/27/opinion-poll-labour-lead-miliband
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    SMukesh said:

    Roger said:

    a second unqualified headteacher of a free school has quit her post following criticism.

    Good grief! Surely It's now time for Gove to step down.

    Shocking!

    Under Labour they would have kept their job!

    Gove must go!
    It`s Lab policy not to have unqualified teachers,never mind heads in schools.
    It's also Labour practice to have State schools in "special measures" for years - has The Hon Hunt complained about that?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @SeanT

    £300K pa and you still travel with the great unwashed ..... well if you must !!

    Might I advise you let the sedan chair take the strain.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    SeanT said:

    Can I just say how much I agree with the new idea of a third class on Britain's railways.

    Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes: lawyers, accountants, advertising directors, wine merchants, politicians. I have no objection to these people sipping their "teas" and "coffees" in a nice seat, but surely there should be some "middling class" on the railways - a premium economy, as it were, or Budget Business, befitting their true social status?

    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First Class.

    This would surely decrease unsightly social friction for everyone.

    First Class = Snob Class
    Business = Spiv Class
    Economy/Standard = Steerage

    :)
    Comrade Sunil

    Richard Branson's original plans for Virgin Atlantic were to have three classes branded as follows:

    First Class = Upper Class
    Business & Premium Economy = Middle Class
    Economy = Riff Raff

    His marketing people researched the proposals and delivered results which persuaded him to back off.

    Another instance where pollsters got it wrong!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    SeanT said:

    Can I just say how much I agree with the new idea of a third class on Britain's railways.

    Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes: lawyers, accountants, advertising directors, wine merchants, politicians. I have no objection to these people sipping their "teas" and "coffees" in a nice seat, but surely there should be some "middling class" on the railways - a premium economy, as it were, or Budget Business, befitting their true social status?

    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First Class.

    This would surely decrease unsightly social friction for everyone.

    Pleb Class & Sean T class :)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    SeanT said:


    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First class

    In the days of the Cunard Queens, the crew reckoned the real quality travelled second class (Cabin) - First class was full of frightful vulgarians.....
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650

    SMukesh said:

    Roger said:

    a second unqualified headteacher of a free school has quit her post following criticism.

    Good grief! Surely It's now time for Gove to step down.

    Shocking!

    Under Labour they would have kept their job!

    Gove must go!
    It`s Lab policy not to have unqualified teachers,never mind heads in schools.
    It's also Labour practice to have State schools in "special measures" for years - has The Hon Hunt complained about that?
    I wonder which party has the poll lead on education!
    A clue:
    It`s not the one which supports unqualified teachers and headteachers.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    edited October 2013
    Sean_F said:

    Grandiose said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    When it came to it, Thatcher only had to think about the then members of what is now the EU, leaving her free to be flexible about her views when she left Number 10. Not sure she's the peg to hang the free movement of persons on.

    Keeping immigration up is GOOD for the economy.

    Cutting immigration is BAD

    Get that into your head



    I don't know why you think that.

    Because whilst Mike loves to talk about the disjunction between the Tory lead on the economy, and the Labour lead on personal standard of living, he doesn't seem to compute that immigration is good for the economy in blunt aggregate, but bad for the majority of British people on the bottom half of the income ladder.
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    "Get your shit stars off our flag"

    I hope in the civilised, post-Yes period it never descends to a "Get your shit saltire off our flag" moment (unless we've beaten you 3-1).

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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    @SeanT

    "Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes:"

    A few Fridays ago the train was so full they let those with 2nd class tickets sit in the 1st class section and still half the train was standing. The guard came round and when he got to me said" you have a first class ticket. Why don't you take a seat?"

    I said there weren't any. He said I should go and tell someone to give me their seat because most of the people had second class tickets.

    I asked him if he was suggesting I should tell a nun to stand up so I could take her seat? He said yes if she's not traveling on a first class ticket.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    SeanT said:

    Can I just say how much I agree with the new idea of a third class on Britain's railways.

    Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes: lawyers, accountants, advertising directors, wine merchants, politicians. I have no objection to these people sipping their "teas" and "coffees" in a nice seat, but surely there should be some "middling class" on the railways - a premium economy, as it were, or Budget Business, befitting their true social status?

    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First Class.

    This would surely decrease unsightly social friction for everyone.

    If perching on my wheelie case for two plus hours next to a stinky toilet (with a *sur-prise!* opening door) surrounded by a load of hairdressers on route to the 'Tony and Guy' xmas bash isn't third class then I'd like to see what is.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    GeoffM said:

    How deluded is Charles Walker and the rest?
    David Cameron in the line of fire over pay rise for MPs
    Tory heavyweights call on PM to risk public anger and agree 11% salary hike for members
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/20/david-cameron-mps-pay-rise

    Doesn't Cameron still earn less than Brown did because of the latter's scorched earth policy extending even to a salary cut for the PM in his final year?

    The current government cut ministerial salaries by 5 per cent. We're all in it together.

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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013

    SeanT said:


    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First class

    In the days of the Cunard Queens, the crew reckoned the real quality travelled second class (Cabin) - First class was full of frightful vulgarians.....
    Carlotta

    My proposal:

    First Class = "New Money"
    Premium Economy = "Old Money"
    Economy = "No Money"

    And then there might be room for:

    Business Class = "Someone Else's Money"
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    "Get your shit stars off our flag"

    I hope in the civilised, post-Yes period it never descends to a "Get your shit saltire off our flag" moment (unless we've beaten you 3-1).

    I don't what it is about Australia that makes winning against them so enjoyable, and defeat so depressing.

    No other country, even France, inspires such emotions in me.

    Though I do sing "Ou est le papier" during La Marseillaise.

    I promise, post independence, I will still cheer for the Scottish football team (except when they play England)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alstewitn: A joke: "So, 3 pollsters walk into a room and ask 'Who would you vote for if there was a General Election tomorrow?' #Indy #Observer #Mirror
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    Roger said:


    I asked him if he was suggesting I should tell a nun to stand up so I could take her seat? He said yes if she's not traveling on a first class ticket.

    If she wasn't pregnant you should have gone for it.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051


    "Get your shit stars off our flag"

    I hope in the civilised, post-Yes period it never descends to a "Get your shit saltire off our flag" moment (unless we've beaten you 3-1).

    I don't what it is about Australia that makes winning against them so enjoyable, and defeat so depressing.

    No other country, even France, inspires such emotions in me.

    Though I do sing "Ou est le papier" during La Marseillaise.

    I promise, post independence, I will still cheer for the Scottish football team (except when they play England)
    What did you make of Salmond's speech ?
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Roger said:

    @SeanT

    "Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes:"

    A few Fridays ago the train was so full they let those with 2nd class tickets sit in the 1st class section and still half the train was standing. The guard came round and when he got to me said" you have a first class ticket. Why don't you take a seat?"

    I said there weren't any. He said I should go and tell someone to give me their seat because most of the people had second class tickets.

    I asked him if he was suggesting I should tell a nun to stand up so I could take her seat? He said yes if she's not traveling on a first class ticket.

    She could have sat on your lap, Roger.

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    Pulpstar said:


    "Get your shit stars off our flag"

    I hope in the civilised, post-Yes period it never descends to a "Get your shit saltire off our flag" moment (unless we've beaten you 3-1).

    I don't what it is about Australia that makes winning against them so enjoyable, and defeat so depressing.

    No other country, even France, inspires such emotions in me.

    Though I do sing "Ou est le papier" during La Marseillaise.

    I promise, post independence, I will still cheer for the Scottish football team (except when they play England)
    What did you make of Salmond's speech ?
    Unfortunately I missed it.
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    Vox Populi, Vox Dei

    An Opinium/Observer poll finds that while twice as many people think free schools are a good idea as those who don't.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,976
    @Avery

    "She could have sat on your lap, Roger"

    But I'm not a Catholic.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,776
    edited October 2013
    My favourite nun joke.

    A nun is in the bath when there's a knock on the bathroom door.

    "Hello! It's the blind man. May I come in?"

    The nun ponders for a moment, and thinking he may need spiritual guidance and that he is blind agrees. The door opens and in walks a guy.

    "Bloody nice tits! Now, where do you want these blinds?"
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    SeanT said:

    Can I just say how much I agree with the new idea of a third class on Britain's railways.

    Recently, in First Class, I have found myself sharing a carriage with perfectly ordinary members of the middle classes: lawyers, accountants, advertising directors, wine merchants, politicians. I have no objection to these people sipping their "teas" and "coffees" in a nice seat, but surely there should be some "middling class" on the railways - a premium economy, as it were, or Budget Business, befitting their true social status?

    First Class would therefore be reserved for immediate members of Europe's major royal families, heads of state and their spouses, and creative artists earning over £300,000 a year - a proper First Class.

    This would surely decrease unsightly social friction for everyone.

    In your job you should remember that you are like WWII air crew. You don't get paid more, just faster. Today's payday may be your last.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    My favourite nun joke.

    A nun is in the bath when there's a knock on the bathroom door.

    "Hello! It's the blind man. May I come in?"

    The nun ponders for a moment, and thinking he may need spiritual guidance and that he is blind agrees. The door opens and in walks a guy.

    "Bloody nice tits! Now, where do you want these blinds?"

    lol

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    Or

    How do you get a Nun pregnant?

    Dress her up as an Altar Boy
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The last thing we need is MP's being paid piece rates on laws to increase productivity.

    I would like to see 20% to stand for election each year rather than 5 year paliaments. It may not make for better laws, but at least we would get some amusement and betting opportunities!

    AveryLP said:

    tim said:

    @Avery

    Cameron preaching about the cost of politics after blowing up to £100 million on the police commissioner farce is amusing.

    I am more interested in the link between pay and productivity.

    A deferred pay rise for MPs linked to yet to be agreed improvements in productivity would be exactly the right signal for Parliament to send at this stage of the economic recovery.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    As someone who despises UKIP's policy on wind turbines and other renewable energies, I have to say that these polls are really quite stunning for the party.
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    tim said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    Nutty little Europeans believe any tom dick and harry can come here,you wouldn't mind if the England trebled in population and that just down to immigration,how fcuking mad is that.

    You want to stop all those Brit pensioners having the right to move to France and Spain?
    How many move to Romania, Pakistan or Somalia ?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    So a big split between Laws and Clegg on education then ?
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    Sean_F said:

    Grandiose said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    When it came to it, Thatcher only had to think about the then members of what is now the EU, leaving her free to be flexible about her views when she left Number 10. Not sure she's the peg to hang the free movement of persons on.

    Keeping immigration up is GOOD for the economy.

    Cutting immigration is BAD

    Get that into your head



    I don't know why you think that.

    Mike thinks that because as a member of the upper middle classes he gets the advantages of immigration but doesn't suffer the disadvantages.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Front of telegraph looks at all those PRO EU propagandist,including the BBC.

    And a tory plan to cut green taxes ;-)

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/86854/the_sunday_telegraph_saturday_19th_october_2013.html
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    So Osborne has announced that the British people need to 'up their game'.

    That's coming from the man behind the Conservative election strategy of 2010, who preferred political tourism to preparing a budget and who is basing British energy security on PFI deals with the Chinese government.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Front of telegraph looks at all those PRO EU propagandist,including the BBC.

    And a tory plan to cut green taxes ;-)

    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/86854/the_sunday_telegraph_saturday_19th_october_2013.html

    Here's the article - is the Bbc being lefty news ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10391242/Analysis-Was-the-BBCs-reporting-of-migrant-issue-fair-and-balanced.html
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    The Sun Showbiz ‏@TheSun_Showbiz 1m

    We would like to say sorry for a tweet that was sent out earlier. It was an inappropriate attempt to make a joke, and we got it wrong.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897

    Sean_F said:

    Grandiose said:

    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Mr. K, you think Thatcher had a defeatist agenda?

    No. An exeption; but her ministers did and acted against Thatcher, undermining her at every chance. In the end they knifed her. Thats your Tory party.
    Thatcher believed in free movement of labour, sad little Englanders don't
    When it came to it, Thatcher only had to think about the then members of what is now the EU, leaving her free to be flexible about her views when she left Number 10. Not sure she's the peg to hang the free movement of persons on.

    Keeping immigration up is GOOD for the economy.

    Cutting immigration is BAD

    Get that into your head



    I don't know why you think that.

    Mike thinks that because as a member of the upper middle classes he gets the advantages of immigration but doesn't suffer the disadvantages.
    There was a poll last week which showed that Lib Dems (uniquely) had found EE handymen useful - no other VI did.....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    "Currently, all people seeking work in Britain are eligible for Jobseeker’s Allowance, of £56.80 a week."

    That is simply not true.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    IDS complaining about accuracy on this issue?

    "Iain Duncan Smith's £2bn benefit tourism estimate cut by 92%"

    Never take IDS seriously on facts

    Self awareness lad ,lol
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    tim said:

    IDS complaining about accuracy on this issue?

    "Iain Duncan Smith's £2bn benefit tourism estimate cut by 92%"

    Never take IDS seriously on facts

    Only £2bn ???

    Take a look at Darling's £500bn deficit error in the 2008 budget if you want incompetance.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."
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    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    As Clegg is a habitual liar why should anyone be interested in anything he says.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited October 2013

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,033
    Pulpstar said:

    "Currently, all people seeking work in Britain are eligible for Jobseeker’s Allowance, of £56.80 a week."

    That is simply not true.

    No it's £71 a week if you are over 24 and you have to pass a Habitual Residency Test.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,684
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10391220/Nuclear-given-final-green-light.html

    Hmm, methinks someone from the Telegraph was reading PB the other day:

    "Under the deal, EDF will be guaranteed about £90 to £93 for every megawatt hour of power Hinkley Point generates for 35 years from when it starts operating in the early 2020s.
    The market price – currently about half that level – will be “topped up” through levies."

    "Ed Davey, the Energy Secretary, will insist that investing in nuclear will save consumers money compared to the costs of doing nothing and that nuclear is cheaper than offshore wind, which toward the end of this decade will be offered £135/MWh for 15-year contracts."
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    TGOHF said:

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
    Clegg's old school, Westminster, also has "unqualified" teachers......

    So, its ok for him to go to a school with unqualified teachers, send his kids to a school allowed to hire unqualified teachers (The London Oratory)......but its not ok for you oiks to do the same......
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
    Clegg's old school, Westminster, also has "unqualified" teachers......

    So, its ok for him to go to a school with unqualified teachers, send his kids to a school allowed to hire unqualified teachers (The London Oratory)......but its not ok for you oiks to do the same......
    Was there a vote on that change last year or was it a Gove edict?
    Was it a change, or a simple extension of Labour's academy program?

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,051
    edited October 2013

    Pulpstar said:

    "Currently, all people seeking work in Britain are eligible for Jobseeker’s Allowance, of £56.80 a week."

    That is simply not true.

    No it's £71 a week if you are over 24 and you have to pass a Habitual Residency Test.

    My partner wasn't eligible when she was looking for a job...

    I don't doubt it is most, but sloppy misuse of the word 'All' really winds me up.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Anus Reid is the Gold Standard. The thinking man's ARSE.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    TGOHF said:



    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
    Laxatives may help.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    tim said:

    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
    Clegg's old school, Westminster, also has "unqualified" teachers......

    So, its ok for him to go to a school with unqualified teachers, send his kids to a school allowed to hire unqualified teachers (The London Oratory)......but its not ok for you oiks to do the same......
    Was there a vote on that change last year or was it a Gove edict?
    Was it a change, or a simple extension of Labour's academy program?

    "England's new academy schools can now hire unqualified teachers, after a change to the rules."

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19017544
    So Clegg's children can benefit from the same standards as Clegg did......
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    So Osborne has announced that the British people need to 'up their game'.

    That's coming from the man behind the Conservative election strategy of 2010, who preferred political tourism to preparing a budget and who is basing British energy security on PFI deals with the Chinese government.

    "Political tourism".... just because GO went to the States before his budget but after he had completed the work on it. Just because you are a kipper there's no need to regurgitate Labour's propaganda.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    No you gov news ?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Cleggs move on Free Schools and Academies could prove the beginning of the end for the Coalition. Cammo knows that he will have to stand up for Gove and his education policy or see himself visibly weakend in the Tory party. I see an early GE looming probably by early next year, wether the Tories want it or not. As for Clegg, he may be forced into this kamikazi mode by the ever decreasing share of L/Dem polling and now going for broke. As I see it either Cammo backs down and looks weak, weak, weak or he tells Clegg to shove it.

    I've bet £250 @ 11/2 with Paddy Power that the GE will be next year.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Clegg distancing himself from yet another flagship Coalition policy, this is a bad habit that he seems incapable of breaking as we head to the next GE. Clegg, the man from the Libdems who likes to say 'yeah, but no' every time one of his own Coalition Government's policies hit a few rough headlines.
    TGOHF said:



    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sky news leads on A of C.

    % of Uk that will attend one of his churches tomorrow ?

    < 5%
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    MikeK said:

    Cleggs move on Free Schools and Academies could prove the beginning of the end for the Coalition.

    Nope. Its all about positioning for 2015 - both coalition parties have started doing it. Though whether Clegg is going to impose mandatory QTS on schools like his old one, Westminster, is unclear.....

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    While we're on it The Hon Tristram I've got a PhD from Cambridge you know Hunt's school, University College School, as an independent school (part of the Eton group) is also free to hire "un/under"-qualified teachers....is he going to change that too?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_College_School
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    tim said:
    It was good enough for Blair & the Hon Hunt.....and Clegg.....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    tim said:

    MikeK said:

    Cleggs move on Free Schools and Academies could prove the beginning of the end for the Coalition.

    Nope. Its all about But positioning for 2015 - both coalition parties have started doing it. Though whether Clegg is going to impose mandatory QTS on schools like his old one, Westminster, is unclear.....

    Westminster isn't state funded
    Goves Madrassas and mates schools are state funded, although in secret.
    But according to Clegg, the issue is about:

    "I also believe every parent needs reassurance that the school their child attends, whatever its title or structure, meets certain core standards of teaching and care – a parental guarantee, if you like."

    Or does the parental guarantee not extend to the parents of people like himself & the Hon Hunt?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    tim said:

    tim said:
    It was good enough for Blair & the Hon Hunt.....and Clegg.....
    Not state funded, you dropped your academy argument sharpish I see.
    Unqualified people can homeschool if they like but they don't get state funding

    It's not my argument, its Clegg's - 'do as I say, not do as I do'.

    If the issue is about quality of teaching, and the duty of the state to its citizens, 'state funding' is a red-herring....but we both know neither Clegg nor the Hon Hunt will touch that.....

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    O/T

    Can I just say how weird Tristram Hunt's Spectator Notes was this week?

    His opening paragraph was about how much he enjoyed sitting on the front bench watching David Cameron go red in the face.

    That the sort of juvenilia I'd expect from a bloke posting anonymously on a website. Not from someone who aspires to be in the Cabinet.

    ONE OF THE MINOR sociological treats of being appointed shadow education secretary is a frontbench view of David Cameron’s crimson tide — that half hour journey, every Question Time, during which the Prime Minister’s face turns from beatific calm to unedifying fury.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/diary/9057051/tristram-hunts-diary-a-close-up-view-of-david-camerons-rage-face/
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    Clegg goes on education.....the Tories go on energy:

    "Coalition at war over energy policy as Tories plan to cut green taxes
    Senior Tories are drawing up a secret plan to cut green taxes as part of a radical overhaul of the energy industry designed to reduce customers’ bills."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10391198/Coalition-at-war-over-energy-policy-as-Tories-plan-to-cut-green-taxes.html
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,958
    fitalass said:

    Clegg distancing himself from yet another flagship Coalition policy, this is a bad habit that he seems incapable of breaking as we head to the next GE. Clegg, the man from the Libdems who likes to say 'yeah, but no' every time one of his own Coalition Government's policies hit a few rough headlines.

    TGOHF said:



    Clegg condemns schools which are allowed to hire "under qualified" teachers - like academy schools.

    Clegg sends his kids to an academy school.....

    "Do as I say, not do as I do....."

    He must be under serious internal pressure.
    I get the feeling Vince and Lord Oakshott are calling the shots at the moment...


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    The Telegraph's entirely disinterested analysis of the BBC is hilarious.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,897
    @tim - ŵhat ever the (limited) merits of the policy it's good politics "The Lib Dems stopped us cutting Ed's green taxes"....
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