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  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Top trolling of Trump by Trudeau at the Remembrance ceremony. Sadly I can't share stuff on this IPad.

    Quick tech switch...et voila
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChazReddBear/status/1061258545893699584?s=04&fbclid=IwAR1N2WzgMGCfnC6fewsDLAUb-3misaIXDW3XsD5Zmkh_WPvw73YN7_nzhCg
    That was from 2017 though.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:

    I have just done a post on my blog on families and wars, seeing what day it will soon be. (In case anyone is interested.)

    Trump is beneath contempt not bothering to turn up to honour those who gave their lives because of a bit of rain.

    Please post a link to it.
    http://barry-walsh.co.uk/news/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,141

    viewcode said:



    The upcoming Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie looks promising.

    Heath Ledger was the best Joker. No contest.
    The opposition is 66 Cesar Romero, 89 Jack Nicholson, ?? Jared Leto, and that bloke from Gotham, all overacting like crazy. It's not a difficult contest.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    rpjs said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Top trolling of Trump by Trudeau at the Remembrance ceremony. Sadly I can't share stuff on this IPad.

    Quick tech switch...et voila
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChazReddBear/status/1061258545893699584?s=04&fbclid=IwAR1N2WzgMGCfnC6fewsDLAUb-3misaIXDW3XsD5Zmkh_WPvw73YN7_nzhCg
    That was from 2017 though.
    Fake news? On twitter? :o
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    edited November 2018
    rpjs said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Top trolling of Trump by Trudeau at the Remembrance ceremony. Sadly I can't share stuff on this IPad.

    Quick tech switch...et voila
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChazReddBear/status/1061258545893699584?s=04&fbclid=IwAR1N2WzgMGCfnC6fewsDLAUb-3misaIXDW3XsD5Zmkh_WPvw73YN7_nzhCg
    That was from 2017 though.
    Was it really? Oh well. Nevertheless, it deserves re-airing given today...
    On which front. Does Trump have advisers?
    If they'd said he wasn't well. A 72 year old being unwell...solemn statement of regret, etc...fair enough.
    Because it is raining. No.
    Guess his ego brooks no weakness.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    dixiedean said:

    rpjs said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Top trolling of Trump by Trudeau at the Remembrance ceremony. Sadly I can't share stuff on this IPad.

    Quick tech switch...et voila
    https://mobile.twitter.com/ChazReddBear/status/1061258545893699584?s=04&fbclid=IwAR1N2WzgMGCfnC6fewsDLAUb-3misaIXDW3XsD5Zmkh_WPvw73YN7_nzhCg
    That was from 2017 though.
    Was it really? Oh well. Nevertheless, it deserves re-airing given today...
    On which front. Does Trump have advisers?
    If they'd said he wasn't well. A 72 year old being unwell...solemn statement of regret, etc...fair enough.
    Because it is raining. No.
    I read it was because of the wind :p
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I have just done a post on my blog on families and wars, seeing what day it will soon be. (In case anyone is interested.)

    Trump is beneath contempt not bothering to turn up to honour those who gave their lives because of a bit of rain.

    Please post a link to it.
    http://barry-walsh.co.uk/news/
    Ta
  • viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    The upcoming Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie looks promising.

    Heath Ledger was the best Joker. No contest.
    The opposition is 66 Cesar Romero, 89 Jack Nicholson, ?? Jared Leto, and that bloke from Gotham, all overacting like crazy. It's not a difficult contest.
    Mark Hamill is the best Joker.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,141

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    The upcoming Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie looks promising.

    Heath Ledger was the best Joker. No contest.
    The opposition is 66 Cesar Romero, 89 Jack Nicholson, ?? Jared Leto, and that bloke from Gotham, all overacting like crazy. It's not a difficult contest.
    Mark Hamill is the best Joker.
    Arse, you may be right... :(
  • Paging Brenda....
  • viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    The upcoming Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie looks promising.

    Heath Ledger was the best Joker. No contest.
    The opposition is 66 Cesar Romero, 89 Jack Nicholson, ?? Jared Leto, and that bloke from Gotham, all overacting like crazy. It's not a difficult contest.
    Mark Hamill is the best Joker.
    Heath Ledger is the best Joker.
  • Hang on - so is the EU or MPs who will kill May's Brexit Plan?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Paging Brenda....

    How's your popcorn supply? And when did we last have a December general election?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,154
    edited November 2018
    RobD said:

    Paging Brenda....

    How's your popcorn supply? And when did we last have a December general election?
    Stocked up, cos of possible shortages due to Brexit...

    image
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    RobD said:

    Paging Brenda....

    How's your popcorn supply? And when did we last have a December general election?
    1923.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    Paging Brenda....

    How's your popcorn supply? And when did we last have a December general election?
    1923.
    Although 1910 was better. There was one in both December and January.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I am getting to the point that I loathe the Govt, loathe theOopposition even more, UKIP are an irrelevance as are the Lib Dems and the Greens. There is no one left to vote for. I shall have to abstain next time. A plague on all your houses.
  • RobD said:

    Paging Brenda....

    How's your popcorn supply? And when did we last have a December general election?
    It's just barely possible that the general election could be called for 19 December. Everything would have to unravel this week.

    Otherwise it looks to me like we're already into the New Year even if things fell apart quickly.

    I'm not expecting a general election this year or next.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677

    I am getting to the point that I loathe the Govt, loathe theOopposition even more, UKIP are an irrelevance as are the Lib Dems and the Greens. There is no one left to vote for. I shall have to abstain next time. A plague on all your houses.

    You could stand.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900

    I am getting to the point that I loathe the Govt, loathe theOopposition even more, UKIP are an irrelevance as are the Lib Dems and the Greens. There is no one left to vote for.

    There's always Lord Buckethead.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...
  • Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited November 2018
    Jonathan said:

    I am getting to the point that I loathe the Govt, loathe theOopposition even more, UKIP are an irrelevance as are the Lib Dems and the Greens. There is no one left to vote for. I shall have to abstain next time. A plague on all your houses.

    You could stand.
    I could but how would I win against Nick Herbert with a24000 majority(or thereabouts)
    There are elements within the Tory party that are making it impossible for me to vote Tory. I just can't. Herbert will win anyway, my vote is worthless .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    viewcode said:

    First it was Thomas the Tank Engine now....

    The Batman obsession led me to fret, because – Superman aside – these heroes are bad role models. The superhero is the unexceptional man made exceptional by tragedy – Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Magneto – and/or by the application of powers: Batman, Iron Man and Hulk again, plus Captain America and the X-Men. But he is usually narcissistic (Iron Man, who describes himself as “a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist”, like a complete inadequate, or Elon Musk, or Arron Banks). He is often depressive (Batman, Hulk, Magneto) or frozen in ice (Captain America, though it’s not really his fault). He cannot form stable relationships with women (this applies to all of them). Anti-intellectualism is essential; none of the superheroes seems to read books, except Professor X of X-Men. They exist to punch people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/10/superman-batman-iron-man-bad-role-models-tanya-gold

    Um, Hawkeye is happily married to Linda Cardellini and has a house and children. It's a plot point in Avengers: Age of Spader.
    Yes, but he’s only a mildly-impressive-hero, not really a superhero.

  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
  • Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Oh it’s in the Sunday times front page article.
  • Does graham Brady moonlight as a Florida election official?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677

    Jonathan said:

    I am getting to the point that I loathe the Govt, loathe theOopposition even more, UKIP are an irrelevance as are the Lib Dems and the Greens. There is no one left to vote for. I shall have to abstain next time. A plague on all your houses.

    You could stand.
    I could but how would I win against Nick Herbert with a24000 majority(or thereabouts)
    There are elements within the Tory party that are making it impossible for me to vote Tory. I just can't. Herbert will win anyway, my vote is worthless .
    Stand. Tell it like it is at the hustings. Who knows where it will lead.
  • Does graham Brady moonlight as a Florida election official?

    Personally I'm in favour of Theresa May being challenged quickly. The next Conservative leader / next Prime Minister markets are ones where I'm nicely placed if she were to be replaced in current circumstances.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    First it was Thomas the Tank Engine now....

    The Batman obsession led me to fret, because – Superman aside – these heroes are bad role models. The superhero is the unexceptional man made exceptional by tragedy – Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Magneto – and/or by the application of powers: Batman, Iron Man and Hulk again, plus Captain America and the X-Men. But he is usually narcissistic (Iron Man, who describes himself as “a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist”, like a complete inadequate, or Elon Musk, or Arron Banks). He is often depressive (Batman, Hulk, Magneto) or frozen in ice (Captain America, though it’s not really his fault). He cannot form stable relationships with women (this applies to all of them). Anti-intellectualism is essential; none of the superheroes seems to read books, except Professor X of X-Men. They exist to punch people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/10/superman-batman-iron-man-bad-role-models-tanya-gold

    I somehow doubt Terry the Tranny, who lives in an unremarkable council house in Harringay and lists their superpowers as expert tea maker and hobbies as reading, Sudoku and quilting will have quite the same appeal to kids.

    I have never liked "superheros", as I have always found that real heroes arise from fairly unremarkeable people, who have risen to the occasion.
    Given how wildly successful the likes of the Marvel universe is, I think you are definitely in the minority on that one.
    Yes, it seems so.

    I must be one of the few that find men in underpants resolving issues by acts of violence, living in a Simpsons like world of neither ageing or developing characters, tedious and uninteresting.

    I posted something a couple of days back where some sociologists with too much time on their hands had demonstrated that the heroes in the Marvel movies commit way more acts of violence than the villains.
    Though they did fall very slightly short on acts of torture...
  • rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,154
    edited November 2018
    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    If there were to be an election, the Tory manifesto would read like a choose your adventure book.

    Mays best last chance is to do a deal with Corbyn. Secure an amended deal in return for a GE in May.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,141
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    First it was Thomas the Tank Engine now....

    The Batman obsession led me to fret, because – Superman aside – these heroes are bad role models. The superhero is the unexceptional man made exceptional by tragedy – Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Magneto – and/or by the application of powers: Batman, Iron Man and Hulk again, plus Captain America and the X-Men. But he is usually narcissistic (Iron Man, who describes himself as “a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist”, like a complete inadequate, or Elon Musk, or Arron Banks). He is often depressive (Batman, Hulk, Magneto) or frozen in ice (Captain America, though it’s not really his fault). He cannot form stable relationships with women (this applies to all of them). Anti-intellectualism is essential; none of the superheroes seems to read books, except Professor X of X-Men. They exist to punch people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/10/superman-batman-iron-man-bad-role-models-tanya-gold

    Um, Hawkeye is happily married to Linda Cardellini and has a house and children. It's a plot point in Avengers: Age of Spader.
    Yes, but he’s only a mildly-impressive-hero, not really a superhero.

    Look, the city is flying,we're fighting an army of robots and I have a bow and arrow. None of this makes sense...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited November 2018
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    First it was Thomas the Tank Engine now....

    The Batman obsession led me to fret, because – Superman aside – these heroes are bad role models. The superhero is the unexceptional man made exceptional by tragedy – Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Magneto – and/or by the application of powers: Batman, Iron Man and Hulk again, plus Captain America and the X-Men. But he is usually narcissistic (Iron Man, who describes himself as “a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist”, like a complete inadequate, or Elon Musk, or Arron Banks). He is often depressive (Batman, Hulk, Magneto) or frozen in ice (Captain America, though it’s not really his fault). He cannot form stable relationships with women (this applies to all of them). Anti-intellectualism is essential; none of the superheroes seems to read books, except Professor X of X-Men. They exist to punch people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/10/superman-batman-iron-man-bad-role-models-tanya-gold

    Um, Hawkeye is happily married to Linda Cardellini and has a house and children. It's a plot point in Avengers: Age of Spader.
    Yes, but he’s only a mildly-impressive-hero, not really a superhero.

    Superman has Lois Lane, many others have stable relationships with women too.

    The fact that superheroes are flawed humans isn't a problem to be condemned. We all are.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    JCIPM
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Jonathan said:

    I am getting to the point that I loathe the Govt, loathe theOopposition even more, UKIP are an irrelevance as are the Lib Dems and the Greens. There is no one left to vote for. I shall have to abstain next time. A plague on all your houses.

    You could stand.
    I could but how would I win against Nick Herbert with a24000 majority(or thereabouts)
    There are elements within the Tory party that are making it impossible for me to vote Tory. I just can't. Herbert will win anyway, my vote is worthless .
    He's my MP too. Though given the size of the constituency we might well still live miles apart.
  • rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    ha ha - he is off her head
  • Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    There are always 47.9 letters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,203
    As long as Trump has the support of the GOP voting base which he still does he will likely be nominee again in 2020
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    oh dear indeed

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,141

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    edited November 2018
    Anazina said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    There are always 47.9 letters.
    Boris has written 80 letters all by himself. It would have been more but his crayon ran out.
  • rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    Not a normal one but who knows. Corbyn only needs to come out for a second referendum to change everything but he has rejected that today to the fury of his mps. Labour split also possible
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,203
    edited November 2018

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    Canvassers on standby for a December or January election.

    I think May has a fair point, her deal is the best the EU will give if Corbyn wants to play politics and oppose it just to force a general election fine, either May gets a mandate for it in her manifesto or Corbyn and Labour can be lumbered with Brexit and most likely a Brexit identical to the one May is proposing anyway.

    Then May can retire with dignity having tried her best and Boris can take over as Leader of the Opposition and taunt PM 'cave in Corbyn' every week at PMQs
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    A mandate for a deal not agreed with the counterparty, though.
    And in the slightly unlikely event of a deal being agreed, and failing to pass parliament, how could she guarantee leading the Tories into such an election ?

    If she were in a position to pose Labour such a problem, she probably wouldn’t need to anyway.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    Could Boris and Mogg stand as Conservatives with Mays manifesto?
  • Anazina said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    There are always 47.9 letters.
    45, 46, 47, 47 and a half, 47 and three quarters, if you don't come down you don't get dessert
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Seems improbable to me (not that there could be >47 letters but that Brady is supressing the fact). It would surely be a total subversion of his office.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,154
    edited November 2018
    Let’s get ready to (censored)* have a mild disturbance ....not the Tory leadership, the boxing.

    * can’t afford the fee to use the trademarked phrase..
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    A mandate for a deal not agreed with the counterparty, though.
    And in the slightly unlikely event of a deal being agreed, and failing to pass parliament, how could she guarantee leading the Tories into such an election ?

    If she were in a position to pose Labour such a problem, she probably wouldn’t need to anyway.
    Oh it's nuts (I said I agreed). A general election will solve nothing. A referendum has a chance to solve something, though in practice it almost certainly wouldn't.

    In reality, I'm not expecting any kind of a vote. I'm expecting Theresa May to bring a woeful deal to Parliament and it to be rammed through on the first or second attempt. Everyone will hate it, everyone will be looking to change it and the Brexit downward spiral will continue.
  • Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Seems improbable to me (not that there could be >47 letters but that Brady is supressing the fact). It would surely be a total subversion of his office.
    I simply do not believe Graham Brady is that stupid
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    As Trump blames California for not managing its forests...
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/416046-trump-blames-gross-mismanagement-for-deadly-california-wildfires
    ...it ought to be pointed out that 57% of them are Federally owned and managed.
    https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/

    Heckuva job, Don.
  • Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Seems improbable to me (not that there could be >47 letters but that Brady is supressing the fact). It would surely be a total subversion of his office.
    Hasn’t there already be some people who have sent letters who have since said yeah, but no, but yeah, no I don’t really mean it anymore.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    Another dismisser of May's 'deal'...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/10/justine-greening-says-theresa-may-handing-power-to-eu-in-brexit-deal

    This all does increasingly have the feel of a loosely-woven cloth coming unravelled tbf.
  • Nigelb said:

    As Trump blames California for not managing its forests...
    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/416046-trump-blames-gross-mismanagement-for-deadly-california-wildfires
    ...it ought to be pointed out that 57% of them are Federally owned and managed.
    https://ucanr.edu/sites/forestry/California_forests/

    Heckuva job, Don.

    Alternative facts.
  • Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    There is nothing easy in any of this including withdrawing A50
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    What? May standing on a platform that numerous of her candidates on both wings of the Party have openly opposed. Causes Labour a nasty problem?
    I agree Labour would have a problem, and the LDs could at least present a coherent and logical, though not necessarily popular alternative.
    But the idea Tory Party unity could survive a GE campaign, thus outfoxing Labour, seems a tad optimistic.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,537

    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    No - we would simply campaign on rejecting the deal and seeking a mandate for permanent customs union and close association. Bring it on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    I suspect that the EU would be fine with an A50 withdrawal for the purpose of us changing our government.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705
    edited November 2018
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    Plus what happens with next year's Euro elections?

    I think a temporary 'associate' status deal (no change to trade, regulation or contributions but no UK representation on EU bodies) is most likely while the negotiations go on (hopefully under a new government!)
  • Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    No - we would simply campaign on rejecting the deal and seeking a mandate for permanent customs union and close association. Bring it on.
    Judging by recent press, I infer that your party leadership would not be quite as keen on that approach as you, and indeed much of your party membership, might be.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    I suspect that the EU would be fine with an A50 withdrawal for the purpose of us changing our government.
    Under what conditions though?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,203
    Jonathan said:

    Could Boris and Mogg stand as Conservatives with Mays manifesto?

    They would issue promises committing to a hard Brexit much as many Tories issued personal manifestoes ruling out the Euro in 1997 even as Major promised to 'wait and see'
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,705

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Seems improbable to me (not that there could be >47 letters but that Brady is supressing the fact). It would surely be a total subversion of his office.
    Hasn’t there already be some people who have sent letters who have since said yeah, but no, but yeah, no I don’t really mean it anymore.

    Surely if you change your mind you simply write a letter to Brady to that effect - and the number of letters comes down by one.
  • The Telegraph is ERG paper and the Times the remain paper.

    Each attacking TM deal from opposite spectrums leaving all of us despairing of the stupidity of all of this.

    Remain, TM deal, no deal are each in their own way a disaster
  • Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    I suspect that the EU would be fine with an A50 withdrawal for the purpose of us changing our government.
    And to what
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,203

    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    No - we would simply campaign on rejecting the deal and seeking a mandate for permanent customs union and close association. Bring it on.
    So close to what May is proposing now except a permanent rather than temporary Customs Union.

    So if Corbyn does scrape together enough seats to become PM Labour would then be squeezed between a Tory opposition going on a full, hard Brexit platform freed from the constraints of government and the LDs and SNP and Labour Remainer backbenchers demanding EUref2 or at least permanent single market membership as well
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    Don't know if this has been posted, but according to Sky , Philip Hammond gave a warm response to no deal plan presented by ministers

    https://news.sky.com/story/ministers-gave-theresa-may-a-plan-for-no-deal-brexit-11549753

    "Mrs May is said to have told Brexiteers the plan was "not needed yet" but it received a "surprisingly warm" response from Chancellor Philip Hammond, a senior source told Sky News."
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited November 2018
    I doubt Brady has the letters, and I don’t see a route to a GE.

    However, I also don’t really see Theresa getting her deal through Parliament. Not without conceding another referendum.

    We’re all calling bullshit on her “My Way or No Deal” strategy.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,159
    edited November 2018

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    Plus what happens with next year's Euro elections?

    I think a temporary 'associate' status deal (no change to trade, regulation or contributions but no UK representation on EU bodies) is most likely while the negotiations go on (hopefully under a new government!)
    But a new government will not change anything without a manifesto mandate to either remain or leave and would require a coherent argument, not all things to everyone, which is labour's policy today
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414

    Nigelb said:

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If true, delusional.
    While I basically agree, it would cause Labour a nasty problem. If Theresa May was seeking a mandate for a specific deal with a very short time frame, Labour could not rely on studied ambiguity on Brexit.

    It would be a gift for the Lib Dems. Unlike in 2017, Brexit is bad would be a sufficient policy.
    No - we would simply campaign on rejecting the deal and seeking a mandate for permanent customs union and close association. Bring it on.
    Well quite. Meanwhile, Tory candidates would have to defend a position they have slated in public, with, no doubt, numerous clauses they have solemnly sworn would never see the light of day. The idea is insane...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    I suspect that the EU would be fine with an A50 withdrawal for the purpose of us changing our government.
    And to what
    The choice would be ours, of course, but in the context it would be hard to see a Tory majority. In the unlikely event of that happening the current In terms Tory civil war would not resolve the situation.

    Caroline Lucas leading a government of national unity would be my preference :)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,414
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Could Boris and Mogg stand as Conservatives with Mays manifesto?

    They would issue promises committing to a hard Brexit much as many Tories issued personal manifestoes ruling out the Euro in 1997 even as Major promised to 'wait and see'
    Mmm. And that turned out well.
  • viewcode said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
    Yes.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    viewcode said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
    Yes.
    Can it? What's changing on the EU side?
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Theresa May thinks she’d get to call a GE on her turd of a deal?

    Hilarious. There’d be 200 letters in Mr Brady’s postbox.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,203
    RoyalBlue said:

    Theresa May thinks she’d get to call a GE on her turd of a deal?

    Hilarious. There’d be 200 letters in Mr Brady’s postbox.

    If she has called the general election and it has passed parliament it will happen anyway
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:



    The upcoming Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie looks promising.

    Heath Ledger was the best Joker. No contest.
    The opposition is 66 Cesar Romero, 89 Jack Nicholson, ?? Jared Leto, and that bloke from Gotham, all overacting like crazy. It's not a difficult contest.
    Mark Hamill is the best Joker.
    Heath Ledger is the best Joker.
    No, TSE is right, definetly Mark Hamill.
  • RobD said:

    viewcode said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
    Yes.
    Can it? What's changing on the EU side?
    Nothing with May in charge because they know she's weak, incompetent and will surrender. We need a Churchill to take over.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    The route to a GE.

    Corbyn pledges Labour support for an amended deal in return for an election.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,203
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Could Boris and Mogg stand as Conservatives with Mays manifesto?

    They would issue promises committing to a hard Brexit much as many Tories issued personal manifestoes ruling out the Euro in 1997 even as Major promised to 'wait and see'
    Mmm. And that turned out well.
    Corbyn is no Blair though, most likely Corbyn becomes PM without a majority
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    I get that we could have had multiple leadership contests but none of the Tory contenders had the cojones did they?

    Of course if you know of a way to turn the clock back to an appropriate time, please proceed. :smile:
    Easy. Withdraw A50. Then all the time in the world.
    Is that even possible? I doubt the EU will be too happy if it's constant cycles of canceling and activating. No doubt conditions would be applied.
    I suspect that the EU would be fine with an A50 withdrawal for the purpose of us changing our government.
    And to what
    The choice would be ours, of course, but in the context it would be hard to see a Tory majority. In the unlikely event of that happening the current In terms Tory civil war would not resolve the situation.

    Caroline Lucas leading a government of national unity would be my preference :)
    Caroline Lucas to be next PM available at 1000/1 on Betfair.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    viewcode said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
    Yes.
    Can it? What's changing on the EU side?
    Nothing with May in charge because they know she's weak, incompetent and will surrender. We need a Churchill to take over.
    There isn't one. And I don't think it matters who is on the other end, their position won't change all that much.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,141

    viewcode said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
    Yes.
    Such a stance inspires admiration. If not necessarily approval. And ideally from a distance.
  • viewcode said:

    rpjs said:

    Being alleged that Brady is suppressing that he has enough letters to call a VONC in May.

    Oh dear...

    Link...
    Sunday Times. It’s mentioned in the story on the front page in the tweet below.
    To be honest if I was TM I would say I have done my best but others think they can do better so I am standing down and let them get on with it

    No matter who takes over the maths does not change
    We don't really have time for a Coservative leadership election though do we?
    We don't really have time not to have one either. We could have had multiple leadership contests already in the time May has wasted since people started saying we don't have time.
    You have five months. Can the party unseat May and negotiate an entirely new deal in that time that has to be signed off by the UK Parliament, the European Council (and IIRC European Parliament)? I'll be honest: I don't think it can
    Yes.
    She can lose a vnoc but negotiate a new treaty when the HOC maths has not changed, no
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    If May goes, she will be replaced by a ERGer who seeks to delay A50 to attempt negotiation of Canada or perhaps even Norway (disguised as Canada).

    May’s only way out is to “be forced” into a referendum situation.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,677
    So Corbyn becomes PM and does well. What next?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Jonathan said:

    The route to a GE.

    Corbyn pledges Labour support for an amended deal in return for an election.

    I think May would prefer a ref to an election, and so would the Tory party.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Probably BS, but...Brenda should be notified.

    https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1061226840260599811?s=21

    If so, I would treat that as a threat to her MPs rather than a plan. Problem is, potential Labour supporters of her form of Brexit may see an election as an opportunity.
  • RobD said:

    Nothing with May in charge because they know she's weak, incompetent and will surrender. We need a Churchill to take over.

    There isn't one. And I don't think it matters who is on the other end, their position won't change all that much.
    Then we prepare for no deal. If abject surrender is what we want then May should stay, if it isn't acceptable then we need someone prepared to take the fight to Europe and not back down.
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