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  • Omnium said:

    Ishmael_X said:


    Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts?
    You must devote a lot of time to being angry.

    I'm not aware of any convictions he may have for lying - he's certainly never been convicted of lying whilst the holder of a public office.
    I spend very little time being angry, and rather a lot more thinking. How about you?

    Chris Huhne lied, and coerced his wife to lie, so he could keep his licence, so that he could continue driving. I'm amazed that so many on here think that it's a victimless crime. Huhne was a dangerous, selfishly poor driver. He didn't think that Road Traffic laws applied to him. He is the sort of driver that needs to be kept off the road.
    Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatever the cause, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me.
    Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?
    As far as I am aware Huhne has never been involved in an accident fatal or otherwise .
    Did I say that he has? You're missing the point. Are you saying that you can drive as you want, ignoring the law, as long as you don't have an accident? The fact that Huhne didn't think Traffic rules applied to him, makes him a dangerous driver. I see the havoc that drivers like Huhne cause far too often.

  • Mick_Pork said:

    john_zims said:

    @Mick_Pork

    'Panelbase poll of Adults resident in Scotland. Period -23 - 28 August 2013'

    Panelbase poll of SNP Adults,pure comedy. .

    Sounds just like the sort of thing a comical out of touch tory twit would say.
    Like this was a poll of 'BBC' adults?
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 12 Oct

    With Dacre attacks on the Guardian and Cameron attacks on the BBC check out YouGov’s most recent “Trust Tracker” http://bit.ly/18XurLq
    The PB Dacres are always wrong. The PB Dacres never learn.

    *chortle*

    :)

    Pork , who paid for that poll ?

    Was the customer very satisfied ?

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited October 2013
    Fat_Steve said:

    @Mick_Pork 7.27
    Actually, that is interesting.
    Broadly, the Tory Leader is more popular (Or at least more "Doing a good job") than the Labour leader, in Scotland.
    I don't know what the equivalent Scottish polls said in the past, but it surprises me.

    Little Ed really isn't that much of an asset and never has been in scotland. I suspect those figures might have moved up a bit after his conference however.

    The most telling are Clegg's figures. They are stark and a pretty damn clear sign of what awaits the lib dems if they are suicidal enough to keep him leader in 2015. Though to be fair the lib dems absolute thrashing at the 2011 scottish elections and their hammering at the scottish locals in 2012 were already proof enough for anyone not resembling an ostrich to see. Anyone but wee Willie Rennie and Clegg that is.

  • Chris Huhne lied, and coerced his wife to lie, so he could keep his licence, so that he could continue driving.

    Given that the jury rejected Ms Pyrce's defence of not guilty by reason of marital coercion, that statement is questionable, verging on the defamatory.

    Fair point, well made, I didn't make myself clear, apologise, and will amend!

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The Chilcott report does seem to be glacial in progression. Perhaps m'learned friends are delaying it.

    I would like to see it out soon, not too close to the election. It is an issue that needs widespread discussion, not least so the same mistakes are not made again.


    It may be a damp squib, but also possibly a black swan event.
    fitalass said:

    Fox, has there been any official announcement of when the Chilcott Report will finally be published, it's already been quite a lengthy delay? I vaguely remember reading an article about its final stages and completion, there was a suggestion it had been shown to those who might be criticised to allow them time to respond?

    I hope the chilcott report is out soon and results in successful prosecutions.

    There are a few more liars about who deserve the long arm of the law feeling their collars.

    GeoffM said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?

    There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
    They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited October 2013

    Omnium said:

    Ishmael_X said:


    Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts?
    You must devote a lot of time to being angry.

    I'm not aware of any convictions he may have for lying - he's certainly never been convicted of lying whilst the holder of a public office.
    I spend very little time being angry, and rather a lot more thinking. How about you?

    Chris Huhne lied, and coerced his wife to lie, so he could keep his licence, so that he could continue driving. I'm amazed that so many on here think that it's a victimless crime. Huhne was a dangerous, selfishly poor driver. He didn't think that Road Traffic laws applied to him. He is the sort of driver that needs to be kept off the road.
    Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatever the cause, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me.
    Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?
    As far as I am aware Huhne has never been involved in an accident fatal or otherwise .
    Did I say that he has? You're missing the point. Are you saying that you can drive as you want, ignoring the law, as long as you don't have an accident? The fact that Huhne didn't think Traffic rules applied to him, makes him a dangerous driver. I see the havoc that drivers like Huhne cause far too often.

    No you are applying judgement to Huhne not by what he did but that he was a senior Lib Dem politician who did what he did . In my experience dangerous drivers almost always end up having accidents , the fact that Huhne has not would imply that his actions whilst being against the law were not necessarily dangerous . As someone else has pointed out the courts dod not agree with your assertion that Huhne coerced his wife to lie .
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,014


    Nope I stand by my statement that you are a hypocrite unless you can show that when Archer appeared on Marr in 2006 you complained to the BBC .

    I'm pretty sure I have failed to act on many occasions when I should have done so. I didn't (as far as I recall) see Archer interviewed on Marr in 2006. Just because I didn't see that, or perhaps (as you wish) chose to turn a blind eye to it doesn't make my criticism of Huhne's appearance wrong. Nor does it make me hypocritical. I certainly haven't urged anyone to listen to Archer's views.

    I'll forgive you though, and as a sign of goodwill I'll even buy you a dictionary. It's MarkJunior's future we should consider after all.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    The Chilcott report does seem to be glacial in progression. Perhaps m'learned friends are delaying it.

    I would like to see it out soon, not too close to the election. It is an issue that needs widespread discussion, not least so the same mistakes are not made again.


    It may be a damp squib, but also possibly a black swan event.

    fitalass said:

    Fox, has there been any official announcement of when the Chilcott Report will finally be published, it's already been quite a lengthy delay? I vaguely remember reading an article about its final stages and completion, there was a suggestion it had been shown to those who might be criticised to allow them time to respond?

    I hope the chilcott report is out soon and results in successful prosecutions.

    There are a few more liars about who deserve the long arm of the law feeling their collars.

    GeoffM said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?

    There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
    They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
    Cameron supported the Iraq war, supported it long after the truth about the dodgy dossier and the weapons of mass destruction were known and still supports it.

    Not much posturing he can do after that.

    It's conceivable that it could bring some uber Blairites back into the limelight and put a most unflattering spotlight on Saint Tony I suppose, so there's that at least.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?

    I suspect you have rather more personal experience of the consequences of bad driving than the rest of us
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    No you are applying judgement to Huhne not by what he did but that he was a senior Lib Dem politician who did what he did . In my experience dangerous drivers almost always end up having accidents , the fact that Huhne has not would imply that his actions whilst being against the law were not necessarily dangerous . As someone else has pointed out the courts dod not agree with your assertion that Huhne coerced his wife to lie .

    Mark, the fundamental point is that Huhne, as senior lawmaker, thought it was acceptable to lie to the courts. As a Cabinet Minister he thought it acceptable to lie to the public. As an aspiring lawmaker he thought it acceptable to lie to the police.

    That does not seem the type of person who should be a leader of this country

  • No you are applying judgement to Huhne not by what he did but that he was a senior Lib Dem politician who did what he did .

    At the risk of upsetting Mr Senior here, I have to jump to TTFS defence, and say that there is no suggestion of political partiality here.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Oh, I agree. What the Conservatives knew and when is part of a possible black swan event. The LibDems opposed the war, so are likely to be in the clear.

    Their opposition to the war is one of several reasons that I vote LibDem.

    Mick_Pork said:

    The Chilcott report does seem to be glacial in progression. Perhaps m'learned friends are delaying it.

    I would like to see it out soon, not too close to the election. It is an issue that needs widespread discussion, not least so the same mistakes are not made again.


    It may be a damp squib, but also possibly a black swan event.

    fitalass said:

    Fox, has there been any official announcement of when the Chilcott Report will finally be published, it's already been quite a lengthy delay? I vaguely remember reading an article about its final stages and completion, there was a suggestion it had been shown to those who might be criticised to allow them time to respond?

    I hope the chilcott report is out soon and results in successful prosecutions.

    There are a few more liars about who deserve the long arm of the law feeling their collars.

    GeoffM said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?

    There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
    They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
    Cameron supported the Iraq war, supported it long after the truth about the dodgy dossier and the weapons of mass destruction were known and still supports it.

    Not much posturing he can do after that.

    It's conceivable that it could bring some uber Blairites back into the limelight and put a most unflattering spotlight on Saint Tony I suppose, so there's that at least.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Have to agree with that, when they do finally get around to publishing the Chilcott report it will deserve proper scrutiny and discussion. And with the Euro's, Indy Referendum and the the next GE all fast approaching, it really needs to be sooner rather than later. Its inconceivable that they could justify postponing publication until the GE in 2015.

    The Chilcott report does seem to be glacial in progression. Perhaps m'learned friends are delaying it.

    I would like to see it out soon, not too close to the election. It is an issue that needs widespread discussion, not least so the same mistakes are not made again.


    It may be a damp squib, but also possibly a black swan event.

    fitalass said:

    Fox, has there been any official announcement of when the Chilcott Report will finally be published, it's already been quite a lengthy delay? I vaguely remember reading an article about its final stages and completion, there was a suggestion it had been shown to those who might be criticised to allow them time to respond?

    I hope the chilcott report is out soon and results in successful prosecutions.

    There are a few more liars about who deserve the long arm of the law feeling their collars.

    GeoffM said:

    Omnium said:

    I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?

    There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
    They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
  • Omnium said:

    Ishmael_X said:


    Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts?
    You must devote a lot of time to being angry.

    Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatese, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me.
    Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?
    As far as I am aware Huhne has never been involved in an accident fatal or otherwise .
    Did I say that he has? You're missing the point. Are you saying that you can drive as you want, ignoring the law, as long as youhe havoc that drivers like Huhne cause far too often.

    No you are applying judgement to Huhne not by what he did but that he was a senior Lib Dem politician who did what he did . In my experience dangerous drivers almost always end up having accidents , the fact that Huhne has not would imply that his actions whilst being against the law were not necessarily dangerous . As someone else has pointed out the courts dod not agree with your assertion that Huhne coerced his wife to lie .
    I agree, I did not make myself clear on the coercion charge.
    Imnot judging Huhne on being a Lib Dem, Im judging him on his driving record, and in my experience, dangerous drivers never think they are dangerous.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Oh, I agree. What the Conservatives knew and when is part of a possible black swan event. The LibDems opposed the war, so are likely to be in the clear.

    Their opposition to the war is one of several reasons that I vote LibDem.

    willie watt ‏@scrubsworld 19 Jul

    was the chilcott inquiry doomed from the start, years latebut still whitehall is trying to supress things, http://huff.to/15PjLLR #jailblair
    It's pretty obvious why it's taking so long and why so many are so squeamish with Whitehall 'worthies' seemingly scared sh**less about what could be revealed. Some politicians also aren't keen on having the boat rocked in case they take a dip in some very choppy waters.

    Why Clegg seems fine with this kind of bizarre delay is anyone's guess. You would think he would be extremely keen to get this thing done and out there in the public domain.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    I'm amazed that so many on here think that it's a victimless crime. Huhne was a dangerous, selfishly poor driver. He didn't think that Road Traffic laws applied to him. He is the sort of driver that needs to be kept off the road.
    Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatever the cause, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me.
    Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?

    Oh man do I agree. Putting a different slant on it, as a full time (law abiding) cyclist I really do get a worm's eye view. Our society has a very strange attitude to cars. Probably all of us know people who have been killed or damaged by them. Since their invention cars have accounted for tens of millions of deaths, and yet we fall about over cops and robbers chases on film and TV. And we associate cult and class status with particular models, nurtured by highly paid tv clowns. Our attitude reminds me a little of African wild life movies where you see lions stalking singling out and bringing down an animal from a herd, causing a local stampede, soon after which they resume grazing. A herd of gazelles perhaps have little choice, but we do.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I don't personally like Chris Huhne but I strongly believe that if a political party wishes to rehabilitate him, he should be encouraged to return to front line politics. Parliament should reflect society and that frankly does mean some MPs being ex convicts might lead to a more enlightened debate on law and order. After all several Peers including Lords Archer and Watson have personal experience of being locked up.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    tim said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    And he didn't go to prison for bad driving; it was for serial lying. Idle to speculate now, but if he'd 'fessed up when it all went pear shaped would it have all ended less unhappily for him?

    Yes, I think it would.

    In other news, I see Labour have now caved in on Free Schools and Welfare, as well as having already caved in on the deficit, the OBR, Royal Mail privatisation, and much else. Anyone who doubted that this government was going to achieve lasting radical reforms needs to rethink.
    If they give a veto over new free schools to the local authorities, for instance, that will kill the expansion of the sector rather like Brown killed the original Academy programme.!
    Which is exactly what Young says they will do - just like Brown/Balls.......

    I'd like to point out that I raised that concern in my discussion with SO this morning.... before Toby published his blog.

    Oi, Tobe! Where should I send the invoice?
    Invoyce Dept
    Tobeschool
    Londin
    Says more about the quality of the sub-editors than anything else.

    I'm assuming the Telegraph blogs get subbed. SeanT perhaps you can enlighten us?
    They are subbed, but fairly casually.
    Pretty bad spelling mistake to allow through "ballywick" instead of "bailiwick"
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Charles said:


    Pretty bad spelling mistake to allow through "ballywick" instead of "bailiwick"

    Neither Toby nor his young sub benefited from a free school education.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,985
    The trouble is that that means giving a tax cut to everyone earning over £10,000. The only people who don't benefit are the poorest, this at a time when we have a deficit over £100bn. I don't think cutting the tax of the better off is wise at a time like this - certainly not as it wouldn't be done as a stimulus measure but would presumably be accompanied by even greater tightening of government spending.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,985
    edited October 2013
    Moderated - No discussions about Natalie Rowe
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    fitalass said:

    A really interesting article from the excellent Scottish Labour blogger Ian Smart - An Interesting By-Election.


    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    Hard to believe a Tory ( though it is Scott ) coming out with such bollocks, the delusion is incredible.

    I am hugely encouraged by the SNPers lining up to protest that the worst referendum campaign in history is going brilliantly...
    It was exceedingly inaccurate and biased though.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671
    fitalass said:

    The Scotsman - Brian Monteith: It could still go wrong for Miliband

    "It would be fair to say that it has been a good period for Ed Miliband, that his star should be in the ascendency – while Cameron and Clegg continue to be haunted by that man Farage and what he and his party may do to them in the 2015 general election.

    And yet it could all still go wrong – for as quickly as Miliband has had his perceived successes, they could, within a few weeks, all count for naught.

    Some of his new shadow team appear to be rewriting policies in a cack-handed manner, issuing hostages to fortune that are already causing much mirth. The party’s welfare spokeswoman Rachel Reeves is now saying that Labour will be harder on benefits if returned to office while Michael Gove’s shadow spokesman, Tristram Hunt, is promising to support Free Schools – while giving local authorities the power of veto any new applications."

    If Monteith is saying it then it is pure bollocks , not even worth reading, he makes Scottp sound real.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited October 2013

    I know there's more to pb than scurrilous rumours but I'm surprised we haven't heard more today on Natalie Rowe and her forthcoming book. Plenty for conspiracy theorists to get their teeth stuck into.

    Who or what is Natalie Rowe?
    I think tim went through a phase of posting very frequently about her

    edit: you may want to consider rearranging these words: digging, ho, gold
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,671

    Good observation. Back in Scotland a couple of weeks ago my (tiny) straw poll of rural Angus was decidedly 'no'.

    fitalass said:

    A really interesting article from the excellent Scottish Labour blogger Ian Smart - An Interesting By-Election.


    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    Hard to believe a Tory ( though it is Scott ) coming out with such bollocks, the delusion is incredible.

    I am hugely encouraged by the SNPers lining up to protest that the worst referendum campaign in history is going brilliantly...
    LOL, what you and your Mum
  • The trouble is that that means giving a tax cut to everyone earning over £10,000. The only people who don't benefit are the poorest, this at a time when we have a deficit over £100bn. I don't think cutting the tax of the better off is wise at a time like this - certainly not as it wouldn't be done as a stimulus measure but would presumably be accompanied by even greater tightening of government spending.
    So someone earning say £15k is well off?

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,985

    The trouble is that that means giving a tax cut to everyone earning over £10,000. The only people who don't benefit are the poorest, this at a time when we have a deficit over £100bn. I don't think cutting the tax of the better off is wise at a time like this - certainly not as it wouldn't be done as a stimulus measure but would presumably be accompanied by even greater tightening of government spending.
    So someone earning say £15k is well off?

    Not in this country no. And there is nothing in my comment to suggest that they are.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Good observation. Back in Scotland a couple of weeks ago my (tiny) straw poll of rural Angus was decidedly 'no'.

    fitalass said:

    A really interesting article from the excellent Scottish Labour blogger Ian Smart - An Interesting By-Election.


    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    Hard to believe a Tory ( though it is Scott ) coming out with such bollocks, the delusion is incredible.

    I am hugely encouraged by the SNPers lining up to protest that the worst referendum campaign in history is going brilliantly...
    LOL, what you and your Mum
    No, my relations at a family funeral.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Mick_Pork

    At least Panelbase makes Angus Reid look good.
  • The trouble is that that means giving a tax cut to everyone earning over £10,000. The only people who don't benefit are the poorest, this at a time when we have a deficit over £100bn. I don't think cutting the tax of the better off is wise at a time like this - certainly not as it wouldn't be done as a stimulus measure but would presumably be accompanied by even greater tightening of government spending.
    So someone earning say £15k is well off?

    Not in this country no. And there is nothing in my comment to suggest that they are.
    I've got an idea, why not bring in a 10p tax rate for the lower paid? Oh wait a minute...

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Front of the telegraph,fox-hunting ban to be relaxed.

    Are the tories mad,cameron should have kept this in the long grass,this can only be negative polling for the tories.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    Roger said:
    flash-mobbing a rousing rendition of the anthem, I didn't realise those on the continent loved the EU that much, ;-)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    I really enjoyed Chris Mullin's diaries.
    Twitter
    Iain Dale ‏@IainDale 57s
    Chris Mullin will be giving a talk on his diaries on Mon 4 Nov at Kings Place (Grauniad HQ). Tickets here http://www.kingsplace.co.uk
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited October 2013
    Roger said:
    Were you responsible for the camerawork, Roger?

    Very well done considering it was an impromtu performance.

    My favourite of this 'genre' is Ingmar Bergman's filming in 1975 of a live performance of Die Zauberflöte at Drottningholm Palace's wonderful baroque opera house.

    Not quite a flashmob, but the theme of faces reacting to music is the same. Here is the overture.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaXQqS4uCjI
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    Mick_Pork said:



    The most telling are Clegg's figures. They are stark and a pretty damn clear sign of what awaits the lib dems if they are suicidal enough to keep him leader in 2015. Though to be fair the lib dems absolute thrashing at the 2011 scottish elections and their hammering at the scottish locals in 2012 were already proof enough for anyone not resembling an ostrich to see. Anyone but wee Willie Rennie and Clegg that is.

    FWIW I'm not finding that left-leaning LibDems loathe the LibDems any more, by and large, or Clegg personally. They are supporting Labour partly for tactical reasons and partly to send a message to their party that they disapprove of coalition with the Tories. Against my own and party interest, I don't actually think they are necessarily lost to the LibDems forever, or that changing Clegg for X would make much difference, but they're lost for 2015.

    I've debated Huhne, by the way - he's quite formidable, as Mike says, though I did get the sense of a first-class party operator rather than someone expressing deep-felt personal opinion. We were debating ID cards, and I sprang on him the fact that the LibDem spokesman had voted for my bill on the subject. He was unruffled and swerved around the issue with aplomb; chatting afterwards, he said,chortling, that he'd had no idea. Obviously I'm biased, but he gave me the impression that he wasn't much bothered and would have equally happily argued the opposite case himself.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,112
    SeanT said:

    Has anyone else tried the moneywiz app for iPhone and iPad? It's quite brilliant. You enter in all your finances and it provides bar charts - BAR CHARTS - and various other graphs and diagrams that tabulate your income, expenses, royalties, salaries, outgoings, loans, investments, dividends, and lottery wins - by category, amount, salience and absurdity, it can probably turn your average mortgage into a 20s dance tune.

    Fantastic.

    OTOH some of its revelations are sobering. Apparently I am spending £310.97 A DAY. And exactly 5.01% of my income goes on wine.

    Hm.


    I use GNUCash on the Mac for my personal finances, very handy for having multiple accounts in different currencies. While it probably isn't as pretty as an iOS app, it provides a lot of detailed info and charts, and if there is a chart you want but not available, you can simply code it yourself!

  • SeanT said:

    Has anyone else tried the moneywiz app for iPhone and iPad? It's quite brilliant. You enter in all your finances and it provides bar charts - BAR CHARTS

    Bar charts, eh? 'Only the taxman can win here..'
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited October 2013


    I've debated Huhne, by the way - he's quite formidable, as Mike says, though I did get the sense of a first-class party operator rather than someone expressing deep-felt personal opinion. We were debating ID cards, and I sprang on him the fact that the LibDem spokesman had voted for my bill on the subject. He was unruffled and swerved around the issue with aplomb; chatting afterwards, he said,chortling, that he'd had no idea.

    He's always unruffled. I understand he chaired an important meeting a few hours before the CPS were due to announce whether charges would be brought against him, and he showed not the slightest hint of any stress or worry at all. That's an almost super-human degree of unruffledness.

    If only he were honest as well, he'd be a formidable politician.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,519
    Something for Tim - A quite effective rap against the Coalition's policies by Nxt Gen UK, been retweeted by both Owen Jones and Tom Watson
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiEqPzpMA9M&sns=tw
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Twitter
    Michael Savage ‏@michaelsavage 52s
    Times has learnt HMRC has billed Unite for £2.3m after ruling it was calculating VAT in “unfair & unreasonable” way. http://thetim.es/1aBSdf6
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    tim said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    And he didn't go to prison for bad driving; it was for serial lying. Idle to speculate now, but if he'd 'fessed up when it all went pear shaped would it have all ended less unhappily for him?

    Yes, I think it would.

    In other news, I see Labour have now caved in on Free Schools and Welfare, as well as having already caved in on the deficit, the OBR, Royal Mail privatisation, and much else. Anyone who doubted that this government was going to achieve lasting radical reforms needs to rethink.
    If they give a veto over new free schools to the local authorities, for instance, that will kill the expansion of the sector rather like Brown killed the original Academy programme.!
    Which is exactly what Young says they will do - just like Brown/Balls.......

    I'd like to point out that I raised that concern in my discussion with SO this morning.... before Toby published his blog.

    Oi, Tobe! Where should I send the invoice?
    Invoyce Dept
    Tobeschool
    Londin
    Says more about the quality of the sub-editors than anything else.

    I'm assuming the Telegraph blogs get subbed. SeanT perhaps you can enlighten us?
    They are subbed, but fairly casually.
    Pretty bad spelling mistake to allow through "ballywick" instead of "bailiwick"
    I'm a bit late on this sub-thread, but is ballywick being seen as a mis-spelling?

    It seems fine here:
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ballywick
    and
    www.thefreedictionary.com/Ballywick
    redirects to Bailiwick as if just collating from an alternative spelling.

    That's just from 10 seconds of Google.

    Is it not just an archaic or alternative spelling and therefore acceptable? I am even vaguely familiar with this other spelling for some reason. Possibly from an answer in the Times, Guardian or Telegraph crosswords recently? That's usually where I pick up such oddities.


  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    It's interesting that the hunts concede they have a problem after several successful prosecutions recently. Their line for a long time was shrug, who cares, the Act doesn't work. The Tory decision to return to the issue a year before the election is brave in a Yes Minister sense - even people who don't care will think their priorities are weird. Should shore up the vote in parts of Surrey, though.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Lembit does his bit to enliven the Brent Central contest even further. That's 3 ex-MPs,none of them greatly missed, in the running for selection there.

    http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/news/lembit_opik_confirms_he_plans_to_run_for_brent_central_seat_1_2854101
  • HYUFD said:

    Something for Tim - A quite effective rap against the Coalition's policies by Nxt Gen UK, been retweeted by both Owen Jones and Tom Watson
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiEqPzpMA9M&sns=tw

    That's hilarious. I didn't know rappers read the Guardian...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,519
    Garethofthevale Indeed
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