Can someone explain to me what was wrong with Adrian Chiles' joke about Polish people.
Who cares the sooner ITV find an excuse to get rid of the muppet the better And it's probably in his interests, it can't be long now until Roy Keane lamps him live on air for knowing absolutely nothing about football and babbling incoherently.
Leftie calls for someone he doesn't like to be sacked.
FPT. Malcolmg " Excellent video and frightening the questions asked by some of the university students as part of it, hard to believe they have been in education for at least 13 years."
Malcolm, its worth noting that these students education has been the sole responsibility of both Lab/Libdem and SNP Governments at Holyrood for 14 years now. That makes your comment about the state of education in Scotland all the more noteworthy.
Yes , does not look good for either lot , or education sector in general.
Can someone explain to me what was wrong with Adrian Chiles' joke about Polish people.
Chiles's joke was far, far worse than anything said by Carole Thatcher in the BBC green room after the One Show.
Carole was predicting that Jo-Wilfred Tsonga would win the Australian Tennis Open and referred to him as "that froggy golliwog guy".
Chiles was predicting the winner of the upcoming Soccer World Cup qualification match between England and Poland and implied that the 15,000 UK resident Poles expected to attend the match were "builders".
Apart from the fact that Chiles insulted 14,999 more foreign nationals than Carole, he did it on the basis of a discretionary life choice rather than an unalterable consequence of ethnic origin.
By implication the Poles insulted by Chiles chose to be builders as opposed to Tsonga who was born black. Chiles was insulting both the nationality and life choices of the Poles. Carole only insulted the ethnic origin and nationality of Tsonga.
Adrian Chiles should be sacked immediately and replaced before the Tuesday match by Carole Thatcher.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
Mr. Jonathan, you're quite right. The convicted perjurer should not be free to pollute the airwaves with his dubious utterances.
F1: as far as the driver market goes, it seems that Maldonado may leave Williams, and Hulkenberg could go to Lotus or Force India. If Force India, that makes me wonder where Di Resta or Sutil is going (Lotus?). Plus, there are still rumours of McLaren trying to tempt Alonso for 2014, if possible, and 2015, if not. So, Perez isn't safe.
@robertshrimsley: Amazing:BBC buying into spin on this. Lab still blocking new parent-led schools where LEA ones dont meet standards http://t.co/otCkSjsLky
Mr. Jonathan, you're quite right. The convicted perjurer should not be free to pollute the airwaves with his dubious utterances.
F1: as far as the driver market goes, it seems that Maldonado may leave Williams, and Hulkenberg could go to Lotus or Force India. If Force India, that makes me wonder where Di Resta or Sutil is going (Lotus?). Plus, there are still rumours of McLaren trying to tempt Alonso for 2014, if possible, and 2015, if not. So, Perez isn't safe.
Mr Dancer, you might want to edit. Huhne was convicted of perverting the course of justice not perjury.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
Can't believe Mike is still championing the arrogant, deluded fool Huhne.
Anyone remember the post early in the year when Mike called Farage a coward and I slaughtered him with a post that should be a contender for post of the year!
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
Ditto in my patch of rural Aberdeenshire. I think that the this latest generation of young first time voters will end up proving those who advocated devolution as the way to see off the threat of Independence were correct in the end. BBC Scotland - Mock Scottish independence referendum sees Aberdeenshire 'no' vote "Aberdeenshire school pupils have voted against Scottish independence in a mock referendum. A total of 8,718 voted no, with 2,847 voting yes, after the count was held at Meldrum Academy."
Have I had a post removed that related to a former friend of the Chancellor, the police and a book that is soon to be publsihed? If so, why?
In other news I wonder if OGH still stands by his decision to back Huhne against Clegg in the LD leadership election in 2007. If he does, I reckon that's quite revealing.
What Huhne done is relatively trivial, or it would have seemed to most of us before all this happened.
Who wouldnt be tempted? A little white lie, no one hurt...
He attempted to pervert the course of justice, that's not a little white lie. If he had been successful a driver who should have been off the roads for poor driving would remain on them. Two serious outcomes from one lie.
Unquestionably he was both extremely foolish and, up to the last minute, arrogant. However I thought that the most revealing comment was that of Brian Paddick who reported being amazed when many of his friends apparently said that they saw nothing wrong with a spouse taking such points and indeed IIRC some said they had done so. Repeated offences indicate either seriously poor driving or a contempt for either the law or everyone's safety. Or, of course, all three.
And he didn't go to prison for bad driving; it was for serial lying. Idle to speculate now, but if he'd 'fessed up when it all went pear shaped would it have all ended less unhappily for him?
Iirc Jeremy Clarkson joked about the practice on Top Gear and no-one batted an eye (not even the outraged letters he usually manages).
Ditto in my patch of rural Aberdeenshire. I think that the this latest generation of young first time voters will end up proving those who advocated devolution as the way to see off the threat of Independence were correct in the end. BBC Scotland - Mock Scottish independence referendum sees Aberdeenshire 'no' vote "Aberdeenshire school pupils have voted against Scottish independence in a mock referendum. A total of 8,718 voted no, with 2,847 voting yes, after the count was held at Meldrum Academy."
If that turns out to be the case in the referendum itself, with younger people voting more for No, it will most certainly be a case of hoisted by one's own petard.
It was always going to be a bold (and hypocritical) move by the former Labour Energy Minister responsible for this green energy taxes to then portray himself as the man who could freeze future energy prices, thus putting future investment at greater risk.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
Huhne is a criminal. If you forget that then you are a political betting novice. There is forgiveness to be had in life, but it doesn't (except in Italy) lie in political office.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
I seem to remember Labour supporting our entry to the ERM.
"If you think the idea of a bobby shifting around in the background of a news report trying to get on TV sounds a bit like a Morecambe and Wise sketch, you may not be far off.
“We were there once when the Prime Minister was greeting a head of state at the door by the red carpet," said Robinson, "and the policeman who was standing guard had forgotten to turn down the volume on his walkie-talkie and it went ‘You’re on the telly now Eric!’”"
53/63 but rather annoyed I forgot High Street Kensington!
[swagger] Well, of course I got all of them - I've been to all 661 stations in the Oystercard area
Surely you should petition for some form of double-diamond club oyster card? Complementary access to the TfL lounges in terminus stations, and privileged use of the first class hand-rails!
Ditto in my patch of rural Aberdeenshire. I think that the this latest generation of young first time voters will end up proving those who advocated devolution as the way to see off the threat of Independence were correct in the end. BBC Scotland - Mock Scottish independence referendum sees Aberdeenshire 'no' vote "Aberdeenshire school pupils have voted against Scottish independence in a mock referendum. A total of 8,718 voted no, with 2,847 voting yes, after the count was held at Meldrum Academy."
If that turns out to be the case in the referendum itself, with younger people voting more for No, it will most certainly be a case of hoisted by one's own petard.
Even if every single 16 & 17 years old voted No, the referendum result would have to be in the 50-50ish range for them to make a difference. If No wins on 52% I'd suggest Unionists would be looking for any handy petard with which to blow themselves up, or more likely those responsible for their campaign.
Even if every single 16 & 17 years old voted No, the referendum result would have to be in the 50-50ish range for them to make a difference. If No wins on 52% I'd suggest Unionists would be looking for any handy petard with which to blow themselves up, or more likely those responsible for their campaign.
If No wins by any margin all four countries of the UK need to sit down and sort out a proper federal structure.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
You don't mean the one Cameron used to try and detoxify himself and his party, urging Labour to go further and add more binding green taxes do you?
I fear that may be the one. If Ed had listened to Dave n' George green taxes would be even higher than they are now.
Twitter Ed Conway @EdConwaySky 22h Look away now @edballsmp but apparently George Osborne spent most of his time at the IMF being congratulated for his economy’s performance
Philip Aldrick @PhilAldrick 12 Oct IMF final communique singles out UK for praise. Britain is a country where 'growth is already picking up'
It was always going to be a bold (and hypocritical) move by the former Labour Energy Minister responsible for this green energy taxes to then portray himself as the man who could freeze future energy prices, thus putting future investment at greater risk.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
He does seem to have utterly flummoxed the Tories.
If No wins on 52% I'd suggest Unionists would be looking for any handy petard with which to blow themselves up, or more likely those responsible for their campaign.
If No wins wont the No campaign be happy? Or do they have a higher threshold than the Yes side?
53/63 but rather annoyed I forgot High Street Kensington!
[swagger] Well, of course I got all of them - I've been to all 661 stations in the Oystercard area
Surely you should petition for some form of double-diamond club oyster card? Complementary access to the TfL lounges in terminus stations, and privileged use of the first class hand-rails!
Hmmmm.... well "First class" would severly test my socialist credentials! BTW I named those 63 stations with over 3 minutes to spare (3.07 to be precise)!
Ditto in my patch of rural Aberdeenshire. I think that the this latest generation of young first time voters will end up proving those who advocated devolution as the way to see off the threat of Independence were correct in the end. BBC Scotland - Mock Scottish independence referendum sees Aberdeenshire 'no' vote "Aberdeenshire school pupils have voted against Scottish independence in a mock referendum. A total of 8,718 voted no, with 2,847 voting yes, after the count was held at Meldrum Academy."
If that turns out to be the case in the referendum itself, with younger people voting more for No, it will most certainly be a case of hoisted by one's own petard.
Even if every single 16 & 17 years old voted No, the referendum result would have to be in the 50-50ish range for them to make a difference. If No wins on 52% I'd suggest Unionists would be looking for any handy petard with which to blow themselves up, or more likely those responsible for their campaign.
Twitter Ed Conway @EdConwaySky 22h Look away now @edballsmp but apparently George Osborne spent most of his time at the IMF being congratulated for his economy’s performance
Philip Aldrick @PhilAldrick 12 Oct IMF final communique singles out UK for praise. Britain is a country where 'growth is already picking up'
It was always going to be a bold (and hypocritical) move by the former Labour Energy Minister responsible for this green energy taxes to then portray himself as the man who could freeze future energy prices, thus putting future investment at greater risk.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
He does seem to have utterly flummoxed the Tories.
If No wins on 52% I'd suggest Unionists would be looking for any handy petard with which to blow themselves up, or more likely those responsible for their campaign.
If No wins wont the No campaign be happy? Or do they have a higher threshold than the Yes side?
Indeed they do; it's actually written into the Act which set up the referendum.
Yes must poll 50%+1 to go gambolling off into the glorious uplands of freeeeeedom!
No must poll 93% or more otherwise face accusations of cheating and continued calls for a rerun of the whole thing every 18 months until the correct result is obtained.
The referendum Act, incidentally, also includes the legal minimum requirement of how many PB threads must run on the topic.
And if Scotland votes resoundingly to stay within the UK, who is going to carry the can for this failure in the SNP party and Yes campaign?
Poor Nicola...
...and even in that scenario she'll still be more popular than any extant Tory.
Don't be so harsh on the swivel-eyed loons and scottish tory surgers. After their sublime comedy and stupidity over Dacre they have much, much more to look forward to very soon.
It was always going to be a bold (and hypocritical) move by the former Labour Energy Minister responsible for this green energy taxes to then portray himself as the man who could freeze future energy prices, thus putting future investment at greater risk.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
You are not talking about the Climate Change Act which the Tories strongly supported, actually wanted strengthened and voted for during the last Parliament, are you?
He does seem to have utterly flummoxed the Tories.
Yes, if you walk into oncoming traffic and start changing into different clothes then people do stop and stare open-mouthed at you in bewilderment.
also can't believe anecdotal evidence got posted on here and nobody batted an eyelid. Whats going on today?!
can we stop this innumerate bollocks about anecdotes? A good anecdote is good evidence. We imprison people for life on the basis of anecdotes (we call them "witness evidence"). Anecdotes are outclassed in the world of medicine by clinical trials where clinical trials exist, but even the world of medical science is founded on anecdotes, called "clinical observations" or "case studies" (how do you think they decide what to do trials of in the first place?)
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
also can't believe anecdotal evidence got posted on here and nobody batted an eyelid. Whats going on today?!
can we stop this innumerate bollocks about anecdotes? A good anecdote is good evidence. We imprison people for life on the basis of anecdotes (we call them "witness evidence"). Anecdotes are outclassed in the world of medicine by clinical trials where clinical trials exist, but even the world of medical science is founded on anecdotes, called "clinical observations" or "case studies" (how do you think they decide what to do trials of in the first place?)
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
Sorry, irony doesn't come across well over the internet!
also can't believe anecdotal evidence got posted on here and nobody batted an eyelid. Whats going on today?!
can we stop this innumerate bollocks about anecdotes? A good anecdote is good evidence. We imprison people for life on the basis of anecdotes (we call them "witness evidence"). Anecdotes are outclassed in the world of medicine by clinical trials where clinical trials exist, but even the world of medical science is founded on anecdotes, called "clinical observations" or "case studies" (how do you think they decide what to do trials of in the first place?)
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
Sorry, irony doesn't come across well over the internet!
No, I knew you were being ironic. Trouble is, nobody else is.
A council by election with a 20% turnout, and Labour winning with the votes of 8% of the total electorate? Phwoaarr, stunning alright! Remind me what percentage UKIP managed in the vastly different constituencies of Govan and Tweeddale?
A council by election with a 20% turnout, and Labour winning with the votes of 8% of the total electorate? Phwoaarr, stunning alright! Remind me what percentage UKIP managed in these vastly different constituencies?
SNP claiming their disastrous showing is really just a Scottish sub-sample...
A council by election with a 20% turnout, and Labour winning with the votes of 8% of the total electorate? Phwoaarr, stunning alright! Remind me what percentage UKIP managed in the vastly different constituencies of Govan and Tweeddale?
Positively stunning when compared to the percentage of votes cast for the Australian Motorist Party ;-)
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
Yes. What on earth was the basis of your complaint?
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
Mike - I'm also a bit unhappy that you might choose to give Huhne a clear field. Clearly the site is yours and you can express opinions as you see fit, but perhaps you might consider the merits of giving an established liar publicity.
I'd entirely concede that I am being unfair in all this. It's quite possible that many politicians have been guilty of many worse crimes than Huhne. However I am not happy with any dishonesty in our representatives, and therefore I'm all for very harsh standards to be applied to any that are prove to have transgressed.
A reminder for the swivel-eyed loons what happened to the Tory Tariff deal.
David Cameron accused of energy 'omnishambles'
PM's pledge to force energy companies to put customers on cheapest tariffs appears to vanish overnight
THE COALITION is engulfed in a new 'omnishambles' after David Cameron's pledge to force energy companies to put customers onto their lowest gas and electricity tariffs appeared to vanish overnight.
Cameron unveiled the policy to MPs during yesterday's Prime Minister's Questions. But speaking in the House of Commons today, energy minister John Hayes would only say a number of options were being considered and the government would take "necessary steps to ensure people get the best possible deal".
Mike - I'm also a bit unhappy that you might choose to give Huhne a clear field. Clearly the site is yours and you can express opinions as you see fit, but perhaps you might consider the merits of giving an established liar publicity.
I'd entirely concede that I am being unfair in all this. It's quite possible that many politicians have been guilty of many worse crimes than Huhne. However I am not happy with any dishonesty in our representatives, and therefore I'm all for very harsh standards to be applied to any that are prove to have transgressed.
I doubt whether you would have complained if it were a Conservative such as Aitken or Archer .
also can't believe anecdotal evidence got posted on here and nobody batted an eyelid. Whats going on today?!
can we stop this innumerate bollocks about anecdotes? A good anecdote is good evidence. We imprison people for life on the basis of anecdotes (we call them "witness evidence"). Anecdotes are outclassed in the world of medicine by clinical trials where clinical trials exist, but even the world of medical science is founded on anecdotes, called "clinical observations" or "case studies" (how do you think they decide what to do trials of in the first place?)
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
Sorry, irony doesn't come across well over the internet!
No, I knew you were being ironic. Trouble is, nobody else is.
Actually I got it too, RobD, and rather enjoyed it but many on here have calibration issues with their IronyMeter.
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
Yes. What on earth was the basis of your complaint?
Yeah, you're right. It's best to give the taxpayers pound to people so that they can play the game however they wish - lying, cheating, it's all good. If they get caught then we'll make a show of telling them off. They may even have to spend some time ostensibly paying the price, but they'll come back bigger and bolder than ever, and we the taxpayer should just lap it up.....
To tell if there is a surge or not, typically one needs more than one dataset.
;-)
Fair enough.
The last major and meaningful test of scottish opinion at the ballot box (as opposed to anecdote) was the 2012 local elections. At which the Scottish Conservatives lost 20 per cent of their councillors, saw their vote fall to 13.31 per cent and local representation cut dramatically or even wiped out in some areas.
Does that look like a scottish tory surge to you? ;-)
also can't believe anecdotal evidence got posted on here and nobody batted an eyelid. Whats going on today?!
can we stop this innumerate bollocks about anecdotes? A good anecdote is good evidence. We imprison people for life on the basis of anecdotes (we call them "witness evidence"). Anecdotes are outclassed in the world of medicine by clinical trials where clinical trials exist, but even the world of medical science is founded on anecdotes, called "clinical observations" or "case studies" (how do you think they decide what to do trials of in the first place?)
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
"The Courier can reveal the SNP’s Dunfermline by-election candidate, Shirley-Anne Somerville, sent a series of surveys to households around the town — including the home of Tory rival candidate James Reekie, Labour’s local MP Thomas Docherty and Scottish Labour’s general secretary Ian Price."
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
I'm not entirely familiar with the example you quote - but perhaps he represents the only voice of the views he espouses. The BBC in that case have a reason to hold their noses and proceed. Huhne is far from being the only LD voice.
"The Courier can reveal the SNP’s Dunfermline by-election candidate, Shirley-Anne Somerville, sent a series of surveys to households around the town — including the home of Tory rival candidate James Reekie, Labour’s local MP Thomas Docherty and Scottish Labour’s general secretary Ian Price."
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
Yes. What on earth was the basis of your complaint?
Yeah, you're right. It's best to give the taxpayers pound to people so that they can play the game however they wish - lying, cheating, it's all good. If they get caught then we'll make a show of telling them off. They may even have to spend some time ostensibly paying the price, but they'll come back bigger and bolder than ever, and we the taxpayer should just lap it up.....
I choose to disagree.
Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts?
"It would be fair to say that it has been a good period for Ed Miliband, that his star should be in the ascendency – while Cameron and Clegg continue to be haunted by that man Farage and what he and his party may do to them in the 2015 general election.
And yet it could all still go wrong – for as quickly as Miliband has had his perceived successes, they could, within a few weeks, all count for naught.
Some of his new shadow team appear to be rewriting policies in a cack-handed manner, issuing hostages to fortune that are already causing much mirth. The party’s welfare spokeswoman Rachel Reeves is now saying that Labour will be harder on benefits if returned to office while Michael Gove’s shadow spokesman, Tristram Hunt, is promising to support Free Schools – while giving local authorities the power of veto any new applications."
I doubt whether you would have complained if it were a Conservative such as Aitken or Archer .
That hardly makes the grounds for my complaint invalid. Also I think I would do so in those cases.
Well both have appeared on BBC a number of times , Archer appeared on Marr in 2006 for example , did you complain to the BBC then ? no I thought not , hypocrite .
I think that Anjem Choudhury should be pilloried for the views he takes. He is many things, but not a convict (though some of his acolytes are less careful).
Convicts have a right to their views being heard, once they have cleared their debts to society. I thought last weeks Newsnight interview with Tommy Robinson quite illuminating. His months in jail seem to have changed him in a positive way. I am less convinced that Huhne has mended his ways.
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
I'm not entirely familiar with the example you quote - but perhaps he represents the only voice of the views he espouses. The BBC in that case have a reason to hold their noses and proceed. Huhne is far from being the only LD voice.
"Annabel Goldie resigns after Tory election 'disaster' Alex Salmond has seen off the last of the main Scottish opposition party leaders after Annabel Goldie resigned in the wake of the Conservatives’ worst ever election result north of the Border."
Huhne is his own biggest fan, but I'm sure he will be delighted to have another old stooge cheerleading him. It's so sad to watch that it's funny, as other, younger, bloggers and writers are observing.
"The Courier can reveal the SNP’s Dunfermline by-election candidate, Shirley-Anne Somerville, sent a series of surveys to households around the town — including the home of Tory rival candidate James Reekie, Labour’s local MP Thomas Docherty and Scottish Labour’s general secretary Ian Price."
Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts? You must devote a lot of time to being angry.
I'm not aware of any convictions he may have for lying - he's certainly never been convicted of lying whilst the holder of a public office. I spend very little time being angry, and rather a lot more thinking. How about you?
Cammie already set to look frit during the campaign.
Clegg happy to include Farage in TV debates
Nick Clegg has said that he would be “relaxed” about Nigel Farage taking part in television debates before the next election, leaving David Cameron as the only party leader opposing the UK Independence Party leader’s involvement.
Fox, has there been any official announcement of when the Chilcott Report will finally be published, it's already been quite a lengthy delay? I vaguely remember reading an article about its final stages and completion, there was a suggestion it had been shown to those who might be criticised to allow them time to respond?
I'm still bowled over entirely that the BBC have chosen to interview Huhne. I've complained to the BBC, and the Dept of Culture etc. Am I alone in finding this absolutely loathsome?
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
They have the liar, bully and coward Alistair Campbell on as a political commentator so I don't know why anyone is surprised they have a convicted liar on.
There needs to be a sense of proportion. For a broadcaster that's had true scum like Anjem Choudary on to air their views at our expense, Huhne is small fry in the BBC's ongoing attempt to upset right-minded telly-tax victims.
I'm not entirely familiar with the example you quote - but perhaps he represents the only voice of the views he espouses. The BBC in that case have a reason to hold their noses and proceed. Huhne is far from being the only LD voice.
Choudary was/is the spokesman for the banned terrorist-supporting group Islam4UK, and famously when on the BBC he refused to condemn the 7/7 bombings. He's widely praised 9/11 and 7/7 elsewhere, making his appearance on the BBC a deliberately provocative insult by them.
Unfortunately he is not the only voice of the views he espouses either.
Well both have appeared on BBC a number of times , Archer appeared on Marr in 2006 for example , did you complain to the BBC then ? no I thought not , hypocrite .
I've not seen appearances by either. Hamilton I've noticed appear from time to time, but just as a 'celebrity' rather than as a politician. I'm pretty sure I would condemn any ex-criminals appearance on a public political stage whatever his (or my ) politics. Any allegation of hypocrisy from you therefore rests unfounded. So you can retract or stand as having made an foolish and unfounded statement. Which do you prefer?
Well both have appeared on BBC a number of times , Archer appeared on Marr in 2006 for example , did you complain to the BBC then ? no I thought not , hypocrite .
I've not seen appearances by either. Hamilton I've noticed appear from time to time, but just as a 'celebrity' rather than as a politician. I'm pretty sure I would condemn any ex-criminals appearance on a public political stage whatever his (or my ) politics. Any allegation of hypocrisy from you therefore rests unfounded. So you can retract or stand as having made an foolish and unfounded statement. Which do you prefer?
Nope I stand by my statement that you are a hypocrite unless you can show that when Archer appeared on Marr in 2006 you complained to the BBC .
Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts? You must devote a lot of time to being angry.
I'm not aware of any convictions he may have for lying - he's certainly never been convicted of lying whilst the holder of a public office. I spend very little time being angry, and rather a lot more thinking. How about you?
Chris Huhne lied, and coerced his wife to lie, so he could keep his licence, so that he could continue driving. I'm amazed that so many on here think that it's a victimless crime. Huhne was a dangerous, selfishly poor driver. He didn't think that Road Traffic laws applied to him. He is the sort of driver that needs to be kept off the road. Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatever the cause, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me. Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?
Choudary was/is the spokesman for the banned terrorist-supporting group Islam4UK, and famously when on the BBC he refused to condemn the 7/7 bombings. He's widely praised 9/11 and 7/7 elsewhere, making his appearance on the BBC a deliberately provocative insult by them.
Unfortunately he is not the only voice of the views he espouses either.
Assuming he hadn't been convicted of offences that called his view into doubt then although I may dislike his appearing on the BBC I can't really see fault with their editorial policy in that case. I have no problem at all with Huhnes views - I have an issue with his actions.
Do you write in every time Stephen Fry is on the BBC? If so do you include repeats, or is it just first time broadcasts? You must devote a lot of time to being angry.
I'm not aware of any convictions he may have for lying - he's certainly never been convicted of lying whilst the holder of a public office. I spend very little time being angry, and rather a lot more thinking. How about you?
Chris Huhne lied, and coerced his wife to lie, so he could keep his licence, so that he could continue driving. I'm amazed that so many on here think that it's a victimless crime. Huhne was a dangerous, selfishly poor driver. He didn't think that Road Traffic laws applied to him. He is the sort of driver that needs to be kept off the road. Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatever the cause, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me. Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?
As far as I am aware Huhne has never been involved in an accident fatal or otherwise .
Chris Huhne lied, and coerced his wife to lie, so he could keep his licence, so that he could continue driving.
Given that the jury rejected Ms Pyrce's defence of not guilty by reason of marital coercion, that statement is questionable, verging on the defamatory.
@Mick_Pork 7.27 Actually, that is interesting. Broadly, the Tory Leader is more popular (Or at least more "Doing a good job") than the Labour leader, in Scotland. I don't know what the equivalent Scottish polls said in the past, but it surprises me.
also can't believe anecdotal evidence got posted on here and nobody batted an eyelid. Whats going on today?!
can we stop this innumerate bollocks about anecdotes? A good anecdote is good evidence. We imprison people for life on the basis of anecdotes (we call them "witness evidence"). Anecdotes are outclassed in the world of medicine by clinical trials where clinical trials exist, but even the world of medical science is founded on anecdotes, called "clinical observations" or "case studies" (how do you think they decide what to do trials of in the first place?)
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
Anecdotes are acceptable, but should be treated with caution as they are, by definition, not as rigorous as proper observations
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Charming.
Carole was predicting that Jo-Wilfred Tsonga would win the Australian Tennis Open and referred to him as "that froggy golliwog guy".
Chiles was predicting the winner of the upcoming Soccer World Cup qualification match between England and Poland and implied that the 15,000 UK resident Poles expected to attend the match were "builders".
Apart from the fact that Chiles insulted 14,999 more foreign nationals than Carole, he did it on the basis of a discretionary life choice rather than an unalterable consequence of ethnic origin.
By implication the Poles insulted by Chiles chose to be builders as opposed to Tsonga who was born black. Chiles was insulting both the nationality and life choices of the Poles. Carole only insulted the ethnic origin and nationality of Tsonga.
Adrian Chiles should be sacked immediately and replaced before the Tuesday match by Carole Thatcher.
"Truly, Ed Miliband’s hypocrisy on energy bills takes the breath away.
In a nakedly populist speech to this year’s Labour conference, he presented himself as a champion of hard-pressed families, who would fix gas and electricity prices for 20 months to ease their crushing burden.
Yet, incredibly, this is the same Mr Miliband who, when energy secretary, promoted green levies which are adding more than £100 to the average family bill.
Indeed, only three years ago, he declared that: ‘There are upward pressures on energy bills, and that makes life difficult for people, including those in fuel poverty, but it is right that we go down the low-carbon energy route.’
So the Mail applauds David Cameron for yesterday announcing a long-overdue review of Red Ed’s green taxes."
http://dailym.ai/PlwQaJ
Chancellor @George_Osborne announces the Beijing Construction Engineering Group will work with UK companies to construct new @AirportCityUK
Mr. Jonathan, you're quite right. The convicted perjurer should not be free to pollute the airwaves with his dubious utterances.
F1: as far as the driver market goes, it seems that Maldonado may leave Williams, and Hulkenberg could go to Lotus or Force India. If Force India, that makes me wonder where Di Resta or Sutil is going (Lotus?). Plus, there are still rumours of McLaren trying to tempt Alonso for 2014, if possible, and 2015, if not. So, Perez isn't safe.
Poor old Nick, a victim of Labour's culture of bullying
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole 7h
Ed Miliband is personally responsible for £69 of your energy bills every year. We've crunched the numbers: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/suncolumnists/guidofawkes/5197991/Guido-Fawkes-Daman-McBride-selling-out-to-Tories.html …
Anyone remember the post early in the year when Mike called Farage a coward and I slaughtered him with a post that should be a contender for post of the year!
"Aberdeenshire school pupils have voted against Scottish independence in a mock referendum.
A total of 8,718 voted no, with 2,847 voting yes, after the count was held at Meldrum Academy."
"If you think the idea of a bobby shifting around in the background of a news report trying to get on TV sounds a bit like a Morecambe and Wise sketch, you may not be far off.
“We were there once when the Prime Minister was greeting a head of state at the door by the red carpet," said Robinson, "and the policeman who was standing guard had forgotten to turn down the volume on his walkie-talkie and it went ‘You’re on the telly now Eric!’”"
Ed Conway @EdConwaySky 22h
Look away now @edballsmp but apparently George Osborne spent most of his time at the IMF being congratulated for his economy’s performance
Philip Aldrick @PhilAldrick 12 Oct
IMF final communique singles out UK for praise. Britain is a country where 'growth is already picking up'
Yes must poll 50%+1 to go gambolling off into the glorious uplands of freeeeeedom!
No must poll 93% or more otherwise face accusations of cheating and continued calls for a rerun of the whole thing every 18 months until the correct result is obtained.
The referendum Act, incidentally, also includes the legal minimum requirement of how many PB threads must run on the topic.
http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/ukprimeministers
Poor old incompetent fops what a shame.
LOL
Got 39/44
Hardly a surprise after the amusing Romney was beaten so soundly.
http://hopisen.com/2013/energy-freezes-and-grumpy-voters/
http://www.kilmarnockstandard.co.uk/ayrshire-news/scottish-news/2013/10/11/labour-hails-stunning-poll-win-81430-33938416/
This "Oooh look an anecdote" meme is largely tim's creation, and a rare example of him shooting himself in the foot. He thinks he is a medical sceptic, but the meme is a huge, huge gift to quacks everywhere. It enables the quack to say: your method requires double-blinded prospective randomised cohort studies; we cannot produce those; therefore there is no conceptual framework within which you can attack our theory that parsnip soup cures cancer" - and that is a valid point against the "no anecdotes" sceptic. What the sceptic should be saying is "if you have no clinical trial evidence, anecdotes are acceptable" and that knocks a huge hole in the parsnip soup seller's theory because their anecdotes are invariably crap when properly examined.
Remind me what percentage UKIP managed in the vastly different constituencies of Govan and Tweeddale?
Unspoofable
*chortle*
Unspoofable indeed.
;-)
I'd entirely concede that I am being unfair in all this. It's quite possible that many politicians have been guilty of many worse crimes than Huhne. However I am not happy with any dishonesty in our representatives, and therefore I'm all for very harsh standards to be applied to any that are prove to have transgressed.
I choose to disagree.
The last major and meaningful test of scottish opinion at the ballot box (as opposed to anecdote) was the 2012 local elections. At which the Scottish Conservatives lost 20 per cent of their councillors, saw their vote fall to 13.31 per cent and local representation cut dramatically or even wiped out in some areas.
Does that look like a scottish tory surge to you? ;-)
http://www.cebm.net/?o=1025
Anecdotes are useful in that they provide qualitative rather than quantitative data. Both form part of political analysis and social science research.
"The Courier can reveal the SNP’s Dunfermline by-election candidate, Shirley-Anne Somerville, sent a series of surveys to households around the town — including the home of Tory rival candidate James Reekie, Labour’s local MP Thomas Docherty and Scottish Labour’s general secretary Ian Price."
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/snp-target-rival-candidates-with-leaflets-during-dunfermline-by-election-campaign-1.139243
Of course, she wouldn't have got one herself as she does not live there.....
There are a few more liars about who deserve the long arm of the law feeling their collars.
I look forward to her upcoming trial.
Or not.
LOL
You must devote a lot of time to being angry.
"It would be fair to say that it has been a good period for Ed Miliband, that his star should be in the ascendency – while Cameron and Clegg continue to be haunted by that man Farage and what he and his party may do to them in the 2015 general election.
And yet it could all still go wrong – for as quickly as Miliband has had his perceived successes, they could, within a few weeks, all count for naught.
Some of his new shadow team appear to be rewriting policies in a cack-handed manner, issuing hostages to fortune that are already causing much mirth. The party’s welfare spokeswoman Rachel Reeves is now saying that Labour will be harder on benefits if returned to office while Michael Gove’s shadow spokesman, Tristram Hunt, is promising to support Free Schools – while giving local authorities the power of veto any new applications."
Convicts have a right to their views being heard, once they have cleared their debts to society. I thought last weeks Newsnight interview with Tommy Robinson quite illuminating. His months in jail seem to have changed him in a positive way. I am less convinced that Huhne has mended his ways.
"Annabel Goldie resigns after Tory election 'disaster'
Alex Salmond has seen off the last of the main Scottish opposition party leaders after Annabel Goldie resigned in the wake of the Conservatives’ worst ever election result north of the Border."
http://tinyurl.com/659r245
Huhne is his own biggest fan, but I'm sure he will be delighted to have another old stooge cheerleading him. It's so sad to watch that it's funny, as other, younger, bloggers and writers are observing.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/anger-as-bill-walker-jailed-for-one-year-1-3103333
I spend very little time being angry, and rather a lot more thinking. How about you?
Unfortunately he is not the only voice of the views he espouses either.
'Panelbase poll of Adults resident in Scotland. Period -23 - 28 August 2013'
Panelbase poll of SNP Adults,pure comedy. .
Accidents are misnamed. It's always someone's fault, usually by poor driving, but it might be failure to keep your car maintained and roadworthy, or drink and drugs. Whatever the cause, it ain't an accident, some one caused a collision. I don't think I've ever been to a fatal incident where someone didn't get blamed. Huhne thought he was above all that. Why anyone indulges the arrogant twat amazes me.
Can you tell bad driving grips my shit?
Like this was a poll of 'BBC' adults? The PB Dacres are always wrong. The PB Dacres never learn.
*chortle*
Actually, that is interesting.
Broadly, the Tory Leader is more popular (Or at least more "Doing a good job") than the Labour leader, in Scotland.
I don't know what the equivalent Scottish polls said in the past, but it surprises me.