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Politco is reporting that West Virginia will become the first state in the US where it will be possible to vote by smartphone in the crucial election on November 6th.
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They're worried about Russian hacking, yet allow electronic voting it's daft.
May promised Chequers and explained it was that or nothing. It has been rejected. There appears to be no progress at all on a trade deal whether Chequers or anything else. Meanwhile, May is trying to come up with a ‘backstop’ which is certain to be implemented.
Yet the Remainers here are all in ageement that we must accept the deal, without having the slightest idea what that deal is! Is it Chequers, is it CETA? They don’t care. We just have to accept it.
The remainers on PB, even those who say we must accept Brexit, are just showing the reality - they don’t accept Brexit at all. And in this they are reflective of Theresa May. The only people who would accept a deal without knowing what it is are people who, in truth, just expect the deal to obstruct Brexit rather than deliver it. We are not arguing any more about what sort of Brexit people may want. We are seeing people support a ‘deal’ simply because it makes any real Brexit impossible. And if they can’t get a deal that obstructs Brexit, they demand a referendum to reverse it.
It is not possible to make peace with remainers. They won’t accept the result. They are undemocratic. They have learned nothing since the referendum. They don’t really care if the deal is in the national interest at all, because in their mind they are the national interest.
The fundamental division which produced Brexit has not changed at all, no matter what polls some people might like to quote. It is still the Elite vs the People. And behind the outward certainty that is characteristic of the Elite, they are terrified the situation is about to get out of their control, forever.
It is they you need to win over, you already have the Diehard Brexiteer No Deal straight to WTO terms voters and you will never have Remain voters, certainly without a Deal
The Soviets often had great tractor production statistics.
But, in general, couldn't agree more. Voting is a special, quasi-sacred event. It shouldn't be equated to how you vote for your favourite crisp flavour.
https://xkcd.com/2030/
But, you know what, this might be the future.
No longer will the votes of the dumb be as worth as much as the votes of the smart. The side with the best hackers wins.
I voted remain and as a conservative member accept the democratic view that we must leave but as has been commented on here endlessly there are different flavours of Brexit
I will not support your Brexit or the hard Brexiteers views and I will not support in any shape or form a no deal.
I have no idea how this pans out, how long TM survives in post, whether there will be a vnoc, or a GE or a second referendum but the mps in the HOC have to act in the national interest and either accept TM deal, if she gets one, or facilitate a second referendum.
And to those Brexiteers who think they will lose a second referendum it is just possible leave could win again, especially as someone in Brussels said yesterday that if we stayed we would lose our rebate
There is no deal. There is a backstop to frustrate Brexit. There is a pile of money being paid that we don't owe. And there is nothing else. And yet you all insist that we have to accept this because, well, you never really wanted Brexit anyway.
You have all moved on from defending Chequers to defending a totally non-existent solution.
They're worried that the Russians won't be able to hack the 2020 elections. This helps with that.
Also, it means I can reserve the right to change my mind at the last minute.
There is a commitment to avoid a hard border in Ireland by staying in a Customs Union until a technical solution is found to the Irish border, only once we have given that commitment and paid our exit bill will the EU engage in FTA talks and agree to a transition period.
The straight to WTO terms No Deal Brexit you support only has about 40% support amongst the voters, poling shows about 20% of Leave voters would switch to Remain if No Deal and No Deal would likely see EUref2 before the Brexit date in March 2019 potentially leading to No Brexit at all
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Belgium: Hundreds of expat and foreign-born voters could find themselves unable to vote in local elections in Brussels tomorrow after an administrative mishap, Politico Europe reports. #Belgium #Brussels"
The Russians are very skilled at cyberwarfare. Creating exciting new opportunities for young officers in their cyber division to prove themselves may do wonders for morale in Moscow, but it's not terribly clever.
So, with that ruled out, why are you supporting a deal that does not even exist?
After Salzberg, you said that the EU had to engage with TM on Chequers or we would need to leave anyway with no deal. They have not engaged on Chequers. They have thrown it in her face and told her she must accept CETA, although with the backstop it is not deliverable.
Yet now, we have to accept literally anything?
All that has changed is that it is now clear that the backstop that May wants to agree will stop Brexit happening. So, all the remainers are clear that we must do it.
Can you really say that you actually accept the referendum result?
Plus, every year or so, the polling place.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/12/hitman-2-ghost-mode-multiplayer-versus/
I do not believe it is anywhere near that
As for Remainers accepting any deal you are right because any deal is better than no deal.
Any deal that claws back even scant few of the benefits and advantages we had with EU membership is better than no deal for which no amount of Tongan FTAs will compensate.
So truth check time. Do you believe that the EU needs to accept, as part of the legally binding withdrawal agreement, that the ultimate solution to the NI border needs to be that the customs and regulatory border will be at the NI/ROI land border and that both sides need to commit to this as the objective? Yes, or no?
Are you denying that there were Leave voters who wanted Norway?
You are not going to see a hard brexiteer exit and I await TM comments after the Council meetings
By the time this is done, I predict that No Deal will have a majority over May's deal. Having said that, polls are irrelevant. Many, many Governments have pushed through policies that have less than 40-45% support. You make out it would be an outrage, yet it happens all the time. If HYUFD wants to poll very existing Tory policy he would be hard pressed to find many that had that level of support!
It will also help personation.
However, ERG only have max 100 mps out of 650.
They are a big minority.
However, there is little point going to and from each other when it will become clearer in the next couple of months. Patience is a virtue as my Grandmother used to say
This is not an election where one side won, and 51% of the 52% get to choose the outcome.
The Brexit that gets the greatest support of the British people is the morally right answer.
But, thank you for being honest. Your only interest is in stopping Brexit as far as possible because you do not accept the result of the referendum. Which is exactly the point I was making about remainers generally.
As we all know Norway is not in the EU but manages to benefit from many EU elements.
The manifesto of the winning side has to be implemented. What you are basically saying is that the losers of the referendum have the right to dictate how the winners can proceed. That is the default remainer position, and it is wrong.
Every election and every vote involves multiple motivations. After a GE many policies will be implemented that do not have the support of even a significant minority of voters. The side that wins gets to implement their policies. That is how democracy works.
Such is Brexit.
Of course, Brexit can be implemented. We activate A50 and leave on 31 March 2019.
Sound fair?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-voters-would-rather-remain-in-eu-than-accept-a-no-deal-brexit-2018-7
Many leavers (such as myself) believe that leaving with no deal (if handled properly by the Government) would not result in major problems and that in the medium term it would provide a net benefit.
You are free to disagree, but they are both opinions and judgements, yours is not a fact.
We will contrive to lose by 4% but then insist that we cannot accept the EU treaties as they are because they do not reflect the views of the 48% who voted against. Since it will be impossible to implement the result of the referendum taking into account the views of the losers, we will have to remain outside the EU. Perfect.
Of course, if Leave had lost, the remainers would not exactly be making the same argument about the rights of the minority....
I would have been - and I hope you would have too - horrified if the result had been 52:48 for Remain, and we then said that as 51% of the 52% supported Euro membership, that there had been a clear mandate for it.
Win the Referendum and then use it as a justification for decades more of EverCloserUnion ?
I really don't think think that if it had been 52% Remain then the government would have said "Okay, its clear that much of the country wants something done about immigration so we'll put restrictions on who can come here from Eastern Europe".
Maybe we need a vote. Of the people. Needs a catchy name though.
The remain manifesto was to remain the EU on the basis of Cameron's agreement. This would have been implemented in full with no changes made to reflect the fact that (say) 48% voted against. You know it, I know it. It is a fact.
The closeness of the vote would've prevented any government from risking another such vote unless they actually wanted to leave.
Political consensus can override common ground with the electorate, as per aid spending. It happened for decades with the EU.
Here's the official Vote Leave pamphlet: http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/themes/55fd82d8ebad646cec000001/attachments/original/1463496002/Why_Vote_Leave.pdf?1463496002
This is the nearest thing to a "manifesto". It contains the line "There is a free trade zone from Iceland to Turkey and the Russian border and we will be part of it."
So, will we be implementing that?
1. The Remain manifesto (no further integration) would have been implemented
2. It would have been used for justification for further integration.
Either you believe the Remain manifesto would not have been implemented, and there would have been no further integration. Or you believe it would have been used for cover by the 51% of the 52%.
Which is it?
Now, this brochure says:
1. We are keeping our money and not sending it to Brussels
2. We will take control of our borders
3. We will exit EU regulations
4. We will make our own free trade deals
5. We will not accept control of the ECJ
So, can you tell me what parts of this are consistent with Norway?
I am not confused.