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  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Of course there were many different reasons people voted for Brexit or Remain. But to vote at all, they needed to be registered, and Number 10 had put its thumb on the scale. Two thumbs, in fact, first on one side then the other. Ironically, this cost them the referendum and power.

    Let us go further. It might also explain where Theresa May mislaid her majority just a year later.

    Don't be a silly sausage. Your conclusions are bereft of evidence; you should remember that correlation does not imply causation.

    You are obsessing on one small factor that suits a political point you want to make, and expanding it to a conclusion that backs that political point. That does not make it true ...
    Me, Number 10, Arron Banks, the official and unofficial Leave campaigns ... they all thought so. That's why it was controversial at the time. Hmm. I wonder if Dominic Cummings said anything about it.

    And it is not even really a political point I am making, so much as the law of unintended consequences.
    As far as I'm aware they didn't think that remain lost because of that, which is your claim. I believe you are confusing (deliberately?) two different things.

    And of course you're making a political point, since you're a poster who always screeches about gerrymandering whenever the Conservatives want to change the political process. Your intent is clear.
    No, I do not screech. My thesis is consistent. And correct.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    One thing that will need more thought the next time out in the USA is the implications of California voting early. Just by voting first those somewhat eccentric and atypical people of Iowa have had an absurd amount of influence on the process as have the independently minded liberals of New Hampshire. How long before candidates start to think about whether they can be bothered pretending to care about corn subsidies in Iowa and just focus on
    delegate rich California instead?

    If they do a different sort of candidate will survive the initial winnowing.

    So from the politico piece someone posted a thread or two back it sounds like the CA ballots will go out basically on the day of the Iowa caucus. I wonder if this won't actually make Iowa *more* important; You still need to winnow the field to work out which candidates are viable, but a candidate who underperforms in Iowa won't be able to come back in NH or SC as candidates have in the past, because an important chunk of the electorate will have already voted on the back of the Iowa results.
    So California results in around 2 months after Iowa then ? California's election process is embarrassingly slow.
    So they have 29 days of early voting so it goes:

    Feb 4th: Iowa, CA ballots go out
    Feb 11th: New Hampshire
    ...
    March 3rd: California

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/bernie-sanders-california-2020-primary-891120

    Not sure how long it'll take them to count but I guess if it's a long time there will be some kind of provisional results or something and the media will move on? (Not sure when bets will pay out though...)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    dixiedean said:


    This is unreal. May wants to pretend there is a difference between ‘time limited’ and ‘temporary’? Sounds like something Bill Clinton would try.

    This cannot end well. You really just can’t behave like this.
    You are out of date. The latest is "not indefinitely". Which makes all the difference...
    I am reminded of the (alleged) meeting of Oxford dons to decide on some investment. Land, said an economist. Land has kept it’s value for the last 500 years.
    'You have to bear in mind', piped up a history don, 'that the last 500 years have been somewhat exceptional'
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    malcolmg said:

    Fenster said:

    Good result if Leadsom goes. I'm brighter than her and I'm a knuckle-scraper.

    Leadson - ex Investment banker.

    How about you Fenster?
    Bankers - economy - worldwide crash - credit default swaps ....

    How bright are these geniuses?
    Investment Banking must be easier than tying shoelaces if these dolts are anything to go by.
    It is. There's an old saying that all it takes to be an investment genius is a rising market and a short memory.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    It is. There's an old saying that all it takes to be an investment genius is a rising market and a short memory.

    As proven by the sheer number of bitcoin "traders" during its recent bubble. Don't hear so many of them now.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited October 2018
    Obamacare is a somewhat serious attempt to address the lack of effectiveness of the US healthcare system. The significant weaknesses with it are ones that are a matter of faith for Republicans, who are barking up the wrong tree concerning Obamacare. In particular the fact it's not obligatory. An effective healthcare system needs to be standardized, mandated by government and compulsory. That's because people don't consume the benefits of healthcare at the time they pay for them . People who can afford healthcare are wealthy, healthy and young. People who need healthcare are poor, ill and old. Often they are the same people at different points in their lives.
  • Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    f****** hell
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...

    f****** hell
    And people are still dismissing stories of Jews packing bags and checking air fares.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    May, a remainer, has salami sliced Brexit until there is nothing left. What political skill. Out thought the Leave team all the way.

    Won't seem so clever when Jezza is walking into Number 10 as Prime Minister and the Tories are out of office for 20 years (assuming they don't split, in which case they'll be out of office forever)
    On current polls Corbyn will only walk into office propped up by the LDs and SNP and with the Tories largest party and with a Tory majority in England and that is even with UKIP up post Chequers.

    Less Blair landslide 1997 than scraping into Number 10 under the doormat by his fingernails!
    A way out for moderate Labour MPs perhaps - if Labour need SNP/LD support and the price is no Corbyn as PM?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.

    Good.

    I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
    Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
    What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
    UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
    Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
    You stupid cretin, we don't lick anyone's boots up here , the people are sovereign , not grovelling subjects like halfwitted dullards such as yourself. She has only been there 5 minutes and if she does not do the business she will be out on her arse , no snivelling grovelling bunch of wobbly jellies like the Tories.
    Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
    Lie down dear. Have a nice cup of tea. You’ll soon feel better!
    Long ago Malc and I made our peace, and I believe I am one tory that he seems to think is ok but of course being married to a Scots lass for 55 years does help
    THere are a few good ones G, even if a bit misplaced. DavidL is a decent chap as well.
    Thanks Malcolm, makes my afternoon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,728

    Of course there were many different reasons people voted for Brexit or Remain. But to vote at all, they needed to be registered, and Number 10 had put its thumb on the scale. Two thumbs, in fact, first on one side then the other. Ironically, this cost them the referendum and power.

    Let us go further. It might also explain where Theresa May mislaid her majority just a year later.

    Don't be a silly sausage. Your conclusions are bereft of evidence; you should remember that correlation does not imply causation.

    You are obsessing on one small factor that suits a political point you want to make, and expanding it to a conclusion that backs that political point. That does not make it true ...
    Me, Number 10, Arron Banks, the official and unofficial Leave campaigns ... they all thought so. That's why it was controversial at the time. Hmm. I wonder if Dominic Cummings said anything about it.

    And it is not even really a political point I am making, so much as the law of unintended consequences.
    As far as I'm aware they didn't think that remain lost because of that, which is your claim. I believe you are confusing (deliberately?) two different things.

    And of course you're making a political point, since you're a poster who always screeches about gerrymandering whenever the Conservatives want to change the political process. Your intent is clear.
    No, I do not screech. My thesis is consistent. And correct.
    It really isn't. For it to be true, it would have to have swung 1.3 million votes, or a large proportion thereof (and excepting those who were enfranchised and voted for remain). That is a massive hurdle for your so-called 'thesis' to climb, and one that seems utterly ridiculous.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,690
    https://twitter.com/beccaalice4/status/1047922256767275008

    Look into my eyes not around my eyes

    and your gone
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
    Not to mention his work in everything that's good and patriotic about Hungary. We need to ask him for productivity tips.
  • Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
    Christopher Hitchens called it "the godfather of all other forms of racism".

    Given it managed to infect the two most influential religions of the modern world (Catholicism and Islam) that's not entirely surprising,
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Of course there were many different reasons people voted for Brexit or Remain. But to vote at all, they needed to be registered, and Number 10 had put its thumb on the scale. Two thumbs, in fact, first on one side then the other. Ironically, this cost them the referendum and power.

    Let us go further. It might also explain where Theresa May mislaid her majority just a year later.

    Don't be a silly sausage. Your conclusions are bereft of evidence; you should remember that correlation does not imply causation.

    You are obsessing on one small factor that suits a political point you want to make, and expanding it to a conclusion that backs that political point. That does not make it true ...
    Me, Number 10, Arron Banks, the official and unofficial Leave campaigns ... they all thought so. That's why it was controversial at the time. Hmm. I wonder if Dominic Cummings said anything about it.

    And it is not even really a political point I am making, so much as the law of unintended consequences.
    As far as I'm aware they didn't think that remain lost because of that, which is your claim. I believe you are confusing (deliberately?) two different things.

    And of course you're making a political point, since you're a poster who always screeches about gerrymandering whenever the Conservatives want to change the political process. Your intent is clear.
    No, I do not screech. My thesis is consistent. And correct.
    It really isn't. For it to be true, it would have to have swung 1.3 million votes, or a large proportion thereof (and excepting those who were enfranchised and voted for remain). That is a massive hurdle for your so-called 'thesis' to climb, and one that seems utterly ridiculous.
    I'm not claiming it swung any votes at all. You seem to have misunderstood entirely and are arguing against a straw man. For what it is worth, I think Cummings is right that it was the £350 million for the NHS on the side of a bus that swung most votes but that is a completely different matter.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    I note that Andrea Leadsom to believe she was going to quit.

    But like the rest of Blustering Brexiteers she is all fart and no follow through.
  • Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
    Christopher Hitchens called it "the godfather of all other forms of racism".

    Given it managed to infect the two most influential religions of the modern world (Catholicism and Islam) that's not entirely surprising,
    This cult of Soros - l layered on top of antimsemitism but strangely personal to him - is weird.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Anazina said:

    I note that Andrea Leadsom to believe she was going to quit.

    But like the rest of Blustering Brexiteers she is all fart and no follow through.

    They know that if they topple May then it'll be another election and they lose all control over events.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Of course there were many different reasons people voted for Brexit or Remain. But to vote at all, they needed to be registered, and Number 10 had put its thumb on the scale. Two thumbs, in fact, first on one side then the other. Ironically, this cost them the referendum and power.

    Let us go further. It might also explain where Theresa May mislaid her majority just a year later.

    Don't be a silly sausage. Your conclusions are bereft of evidence; you should remember that correlation does not imply causation.

    You are obsessing on one small factor that suits a political point you want to make, and expanding it to a conclusion that backs that political point. That does not make it true ...
    Me, Number 10, Arron Banks, the official and unofficial Leave campaigns ... they all thought so. That's why it was controversial at the time. Hmm. I wonder if Dominic Cummings said anything about it.

    And it is not even really a political point I am making, so much as the law of unintended consequences.
    As far as I'm aware they didn't think that remain lost because of that, which is your claim. I believe you are confusing (deliberately?) two different things.

    And of course you're making a political point, since you're a poster who always screeches about gerrymandering whenever the Conservatives want to change the political process. Your intent is clear.
    No, I do not screech. My thesis is consistent. And correct.
    It really isn't. For it to be true, it would have to have swung 1.3 million votes, or a large proportion thereof (and excepting those who were enfranchised and voted for remain). That is a massive hurdle for your so-called 'thesis' to climb, and one that seems utterly ridiculous.
    I'm not claiming it swung any votes at all. You seem to have misunderstood entirely and are arguing against a straw man. For what it is worth, I think Cummings is right that it was the £350 million for the NHS on the side of a bus that swung most votes but that is a completely different matter.
    No, but you’d need 1.3 million people who would have voted Remain to be disenfranchised. Which seems a slight stretch.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    Phones have sophisticated gyroscopic sensors, so they could be programmed to prevent video recording unless in the correct orientation...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,862
    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892

    Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
    Christopher Hitchens called it "the godfather of all other forms of racism".

    Given it managed to infect the two most influential religions of the modern world (Catholicism and Islam) that's not entirely surprising,
    This cult of Soros - l layered on top of antimsemitism but strangely personal to him - is weird.
    Surely not to anyone who has read 1984 and remembers Goldstein.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    +1

    But in fairness some of the more dramatic ones may be taken under extreme duress...
  • I know I shouldn’t laugh but those Trump supporters who say Trump will repeal Obamacare and not the Affordable Care Act deserve an award.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    An exception to that rule is the phone, people tend to use it in the upright position (with annoying consequences).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
    Anti-semitism is, surely a dangerous card to play if one is involved in finance in the US?

    That’s not to be construed as a criticism of those involved etc.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    Two interesting views on the unfolding disaster that is UC:

    On the one hand it might be right for an incoming Labour government to abandon altogether. On the other, it will be far too late: rolling a single benefit out into six streams just wont be done.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/no-ones-in-credit-after-this-benefits-mess-wm6vpjg2j

    https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/blog/universal-credit-the-honesty-we-owe-and-the-changes-we-need/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778
    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    edited October 2018
    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    @WalrusWinks raises a very valid point

    https://twitter.com/WalrusWinks/status/939297756732055552
    Was it Apple that started this abomination ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778

    I know I shouldn’t laugh but those Trump supporters who say Trump will repeal Obamacare and not the Affordable Care Act deserve an award.

    ...and their award will be losing their health insurance.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Scott

    Very true. Why doesn’t someone do this? Please!!!
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Carlotta

    Yes, I am willing to forgive those ... just about :smiley:
  • I know I shouldn’t laugh but those Trump supporters who say Trump will repeal Obamacare and not the Affordable Care Act deserve an award.

    ...and their award will be losing their health insurance.
    https://youtu.be/2LM0CZZ9Uw8
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,910
    The first lesson of politics - "if you don't hang together you'll all hang separately" and the second "however bad your day is, Government is infinitely more satisfying than Opposition".
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    Suspect that there might be something on this in the budget.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
  • Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Cookie

    Presumably the TV show was a documentary about the ambulatory function of millipedes?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    I thought Osborne was to blame? ;)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,778

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    IDS did screw up, but a good chunk of these losses is down to the Treasury cutting UC funding. IDS resigned over it.

    May needs Hammond to fix this fast, or her party is toast.
  • RobD said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    I thought Osborne was to blame? ;)
    Nope.

    Even if it was he’s not been Chancellor for over two years, someone else could have fixed it.

    UC is fundamentally flawed, no wonder the government gagging people from criticising it or Esther McVey, positively Orwellian.

    Also explains why the government buried a key finding about benefit sanctions.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    IDS did screw up, but a good chunk of these losses is down to the Treasury cutting UC funding. IDS resigned over it.

    May needs Hammond to fix this fast, or her party is toast.
    Which is probably a significant part of what his 'deal dividend' announcement was about.

    (And again, no deal = electoral wipeout.)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,728

    Of course there were many different reasons people voted for Brexit or Remain. But to vote at all, they needed to be registered, and Number 10 had put its thumb on the scale. Two thumbs, in fact, first on one side then the other. Ironically, this cost them the referendum and power.

    Let us go further. It might also explain where Theresa May mislaid her majority just a year later.

    Don't be a silly sausage. Your conclusions are bereft of evidence; you should remember that correlation does not imply causation.

    You are obsessing on one small factor that suits a political point you want to make, and expanding it to a conclusion that backs that political point. That does not make it true ...
    Me, Number 10, Arron Banks, the official and unofficial Leave campaigns ... they all thought so. That's why it was controversial at the time. Hmm. I wonder if Dominic Cummings said anything about it.

    And it is not even really a political point I am making, so much as the law of unintended consequences.
    As far as I'm aware they didn't think that remain lost because of that, which is your claim. I believe you are confusing (deliberately?) two different things.

    And of course you're making a political point, since you're a poster who always screeches about gerrymandering whenever the Conservatives want to change the political process. Your intent is clear.
    No, I do not screech. My thesis is consistent. And correct.
    It really isn't. For it to be true, it would have to have swung 1.3 million votes, or a large proportion thereof (and excepting those who were enfranchised and voted for remain). That is a massive hurdle for your so-called 'thesis' to climb, and one that seems utterly ridiculous.
    I'm not claiming it swung any votes at all. You seem to have misunderstood entirely and are arguing against a straw man. For what it is worth, I think Cummings is right that it was the £350 million for the NHS on the side of a bus that swung most votes but that is a completely different matter.
    You should go back and read what you originally wrote.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    Screw ups by IDS are a feature not a bug but the decision by Osborne to use the introduction of UC as an opportunity to slice £3bn off the benefits bill certainly didn't help and will almost certainly be reversed in the budget.

    Putting IDS's moronic tendencies aside, however, I find it remarkable that our supposedly esteemed Civil Service can have completely failed to bring this simplified benefit into operation in a time scale approaching that of the length of WW1 and WW2 put together. It's truly pathetic.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    RobD said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    An exception to that rule is the phone, people tend to use it in the upright position (with annoying consequences).
    The cool kids seem to have taken to holding phones horizontally.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    More than gas. Astonishing. I would have thought some of the windfarms would have been off line today too with the wind too strong to operate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Jesus. Where Labour lead, others follow...
    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968

    Soros must be a busy man - Trump says he's pulling the string in the US, too.
    Antisemitism seems find a ready home at both extremes of the political spectrum.
    Anti-semitism is, surely a dangerous card to play if one is involved in finance in the US?

    That’s not to be construed as a criticism of those involved etc.
    Soros has the advantage, as a target, of not being American.
    The embrace of antisemitic tropes by the Republicans is pretty clear:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/10/10/why-trump-and-the-republicans-keep-talking-about-george-soros/
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    '. Two Whitehall sources have told BuzzFeed News that Nov. 27 has been pencilled in for the Commons vote if a deal is agreed with the EU. “Hell week is when the deal comes to the Commons,” a government source said.'
    On that basis, there will be no election before mid-January!
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    justin124 said:

    '. Two Whitehall sources have told BuzzFeed News that Nov. 27 has been pencilled in for the Commons vote if a deal is agreed with the EU. “Hell week is when the deal comes to the Commons,” a government source said.'
    On that basis, there will be no election before mid-January!

    A GE campaign over Christmas?? Good luck with that one.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    edited October 2018
    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    With the latest polling out of Tennessee the senate is basically done now. 538 is only giving the Dems a plausible chance by somehow making North Dakota a viable win for them.

    If Heitkamp does lose, she'll manage to lose against every historic precedent.

    The last incumbent senator of a party not in control the white house to lose re-election in a wave year for their own party would be Democrat Howard Cannon of Nevada in 1982.

    In every wave midterm election since then ('86, '94, '06, '10, '14) every incumbent on the right side of the wave has won.
    She's a conventional Democrat running in a state which Trump won by 36 points and still has a high approval rating in.

    The other Senate seat in ND is currently held by the Republicans with a 62% majority. The GOP won the Govenorship by 57%.

    She's well down in the polls against a well known and liked local candidate. Frankly she needs a scandal to fall in to her lap at this point.
    I wouldn't call her a 'conventional Democrat' really. She voted for the Keystone pipeline and voted against stricter gun control laws. But yes I think the fact she's facing a 'generic' republican and not a Roy Moore/Todd Akin style candidate is what will be her undoing.

    She's also a victim of 'straight ticket voting' which is much more common given how polarized the US electorate now is. If people vote Republican for President, they're far less likely to split the ticket and vote for Democrats for other federal and local races, and Visa Versa.

    This is what will kill the Democrats in the senate eventually, given each state has 2 senators regardless of population size, and smaller states are disproportionately GOP leaning. It's going to make the Dems getting to 50 more and more difficult.
    Quite a few states appear to be trending to the Democrats though on a demographic basis - Texas - Arizona - Georgia - North Carolina - maybe Florida.
    Not really North Carolina or Florida, and the Democrats regularly punch below their demographic weight in Texas.
    At Presidential elections the Democrats have become much more competitive in North Carolina and Florida compared with the 1980s and earlier. The former still leans Republican but Obama carried the state in 2008 and lost narrowly in 2012.Until the 1990s Florida had been a safe Republican state rather than the 'toss-up ' of recent elections.
    Florida has been a bellwether State for at least 60 years.

    Edit: It's gone to the winner in every election bar two, since 1928.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    RobD said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    An exception to that rule is the phone, people tend to use it in the upright position (with annoying consequences).
    The cool kids seem to have taken to holding phones horizontally.
    I have always done so, and am not remotely cool... and was a kid several decades back.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    With the latest polling out of Tennessee the senate is basically done now. 538 is only giving the Dems a plausible chance by somehow making North Dakota a viable win for them.

    If Heitkamp does lose, she'll manage to lose against every historic precedent.

    The last incumbent senator of a party not in control the white house to lose re-election in a wave year for their own party would be Democrat Howard Cannon of Nevada in 1982.

    In every wave midterm election since then ('86, '94, '06, '10, '14) every incumbent on the right side of the wave has won.
    She's a conventional Democrat running in a state which Trump won by 36 points and still has a high approval rating in.

    The other Senate seat in ND is currently held by the Republicans with a 62% majority. The GOP won the Govenorship by 57%.

    She's well down in the polls against a well known and liked local candidate. Frankly she needs a scandal to fall in to her lap at this point.
    I wouldn't call her a 'conventional Democrat' really. She voted for the Keystone pipeline and voted against stricter gun control laws. But yes I think the fact she's facing a 'generic' republican and not a Roy Moore/Todd Akin style candidate is what will be her undoing.

    She's also a victim of 'straight ticket voting' which is much more common given how polarized the US electorate now is. If people vote Republican for President, they're far less likely to split the ticket and vote for Democrats for other federal and local races, and Visa Versa.

    This is what will kill the Democrats in the senate eventually, given each state has 2 senators regardless of population size, and smaller states are disproportionately GOP leaning. It's going to make the Dems getting to 50 more and more difficult.
    Quite a few states appear to be trending to the Democrats though on a demographic basis - Texas - Arizona - Georgia - North Carolina - maybe Florida.
    Not really North Carolina or Florida, and the Democrats regularly punch below their demographic weight in Texas.
    At Presidential elections the Democrats have become much more competitive in North Carolina and Florida compared with the 1980s and earlier. The former still leans Republican but Obama carried the state in 2008 and lost narrowly in 2012.Until the 1990s Florida had been a safe Republican state rather than the 'toss-up ' of recent elections.
    Florida has been a bellwether State for at least 60 years.
    But not belle weather recently.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    @WalrusWinks raises a very valid point

    https://twitter.com/WalrusWinks/status/939297756732055552
    Was it Apple that started this abomination ?
    Portrait (the clue is in the name) is better for pictures of human faces though.

    Agree, though, of course about ‘action’ videos and views.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    I thought Osborne was to blame? ;)
    Nope.

    Even if it was he’s not been Chancellor for over two years, someone else could have fixed it.

    UC is fundamentally flawed, no wonder the government gagging people from criticising it or Esther McVey, positively Orwellian.

    Also explains why the government buried a key finding about benefit sanctions.
    Not fit for purpose? I thought it was effective at removing the benefit trap?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    I thought Osborne was to blame? ;)
    Nope.

    Even if it was he’s not been Chancellor for over two years, someone else could have fixed it.

    UC is fundamentally flawed, no wonder the government gagging people from criticising it or Esther McVey, positively Orwellian.

    Also explains why the government buried a key finding about benefit sanctions.
    Not fit for purpose? I thought it was effective at removing the benefit trap?
    My friend who runs a JCP said it is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    It tries to fix one problem and causes dozens more.

    This is not something going well, if it was the government wouldn’t have to do this.

    https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1050499312608776192?s=21
  • archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612
    Nigelb said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    IDS did screw up, but a good chunk of these losses is down to the Treasury cutting UC funding. IDS resigned over it.

    May needs Hammond to fix this fast, or her party is toast.
    Which is probably a significant part of what his 'deal dividend' announcement was about.

    (And again, no deal = electoral wipeout.)
    No deal = lots more money to fix UC.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,892
    It would appear that not all of the toys are being thrown out of the pram after all: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45838083

    Hamleys worst year since 1760.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    @WalrusWinks raises a very valid point

    https://twitter.com/WalrusWinks/status/939297756732055552
    Was it Apple that started this abomination ?
    Phones and digital cameras mimic mechanical cameras. You turn the phone and you turn the frame. That decision was made long, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Steve Job's eye.

    [normally I'm happy to blame Apple for pretty much anything]
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
    Hasn’t the number of coal-fires power stations dramatically reduced in the last few years?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    With the latest polling out of Tennessee the senate is basically done now. 538 is only giving the Dems a plausible chance by somehow making North Dakota a viable win for them.

    If Heitkamp does lose, she'll manage to lose against every historic precedent.

    The last incumbent senator of a party not in control the white house to lose re-election in a wave year for their own party would be Democrat Howard Cannon of Nevada in 1982.

    In every wave midterm election since then ('86, '94, '06, '10, '14) every incumbent on the right side of the wave has won.
    She's a conventional Democrat running in a state which Trump won by 36 points and still has a high approval rating in.

    The other Senate seat in ND is currently held by the Republicans with a 62% majority. The GOP won the Govenorship by 57%.

    She's well down in the polls against a well known and liked local candidate. Frankly she needs a scandal to fall in to her lap at this point.
    Quite a few states appear to be trending to the Democrats though on a demographic basis - Texas - Arizona - Georgia - North Carolina - maybe Florida.
    Not really North Carolina or Florida, and the Democrats regularly punch below their demographic weight in Texas.
    At Presidential elections the Democrats have become much more competitive in North Carolina and Florida compared with the 1980s and earlier. The former still leans Republican but Obama carried the state in 2008 and lost narrowly in 2012.Until the 1990s Florida had been a safe Republican state rather than the 'toss-up ' of recent elections.
    Florida has been a bellwether State for at least 60 years.
    Until Clinton carried the state in 1996, Florida had only supported the Democrats since 1948 in the LBJ 1964 landslide and Carter's 1976 win.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    @WalrusWinks raises a very valid point

    https://twitter.com/WalrusWinks/status/939297756732055552
    Was it Apple that started this abomination ?
    I’m sure I’m missing something, but isn’t the issue that the sensor is rectangular (4:3 typically) so the fact that the lens circle is circular is irrelevant - the sensor rotates when the phone does.

    Of course most video is taken well below the still resolution of the sensor so it probably wouldn’t be a problem to shoot in 16:9 across the ‘narrow’ aspect of the sensor, but letterboxing the shot across the phone screen while shooting would make it much harder to see what you’re filming so unlikely to be popular. That said, an option to tell your phone to always shoot in landscape regardless of handset orientation would be useful for those who want to take proper video.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
    Hasn’t the number of coal-fires power stations dramatically reduced in the last few years?
    It has, of course.
    But that statistic is nonetheless a mark of astonishing progress.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Anorak said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    @WalrusWinks raises a very valid point

    https://twitter.com/WalrusWinks/status/939297756732055552
    Was it Apple that started this abomination ?
    Phones and digital cameras mimic mechanical cameras. You turn the phone and you turn the frame. That decision was made long, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Steve Job's eye.

    [normally I'm happy to blame Apple for pretty much anything]
    A very good potted history the the format's origins:
    http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2018/10/the-remarkable-persistence-of-24x36.html
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    Am I the only person losing count of how many deadlines Theresa May is being given, and how many whoosh past with naff all happening?

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1050742936885964800
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    With the latest polling out of Tennessee the senate is basically done now. 538 is only giving the Dems a plausible chance by somehow making North Dakota a viable win for them.

    If Heitkamp does lose, she'll manage to lose against every historic precedent.

    The last incumbent senator of a party not in control the white house to lose re-election in a wave year for their own party would be Democrat Howard Cannon of Nevada in 1982.

    In every wave midterm election since then ('86, '94, '06, '10, '14) every incumbent on the right side of the wave has won.
    She's a conventional Democrat running in a state which Trump won by 36 points and still has a high approval rating in.

    The other Senate seat in ND is currently held by the Republicans with a 62% majority. The GOP won the Govenorship by 57%.

    She's well down in the polls against a well known and liked local candidate. Frankly she needs a scandal to fall in to her lap at this point.
    Quite a few states appear to be trending to the Democrats though on a demographic basis - Texas - Arizona - Georgia - North Carolina - maybe Florida.
    Not really North Carolina or Florida, and the Democrats regularly punch below their demographic weight in Texas.
    At Presidential elections the Democrats have become much more competitive in North Carolina and Florida compared with the 1980s and earlier. The former still leans Republican but Obama carried the state in 2008 and lost narrowly in 2012.Until the 1990s Florida had been a safe Republican state rather than the 'toss-up ' of recent elections.
    Florida has been a bellwether State for at least 60 years.
    Until Clinton carried the state in 1996, Florida had only supported the Democrats since 1948 in the LBJ 1964 landslide and Carter's 1976 win.
    Yes, the two times the Democrats won the presidency in the intervening period.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Nigelb said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    IDS did screw up, but a good chunk of these losses is down to the Treasury cutting UC funding. IDS resigned over it.

    May needs Hammond to fix this fast, or her party is toast.
    Which is probably a significant part of what his 'deal dividend' announcement was about.

    (And again, no deal = electoral wipeout.)
    No deal = lots more money to fix UC.
    in your world, perhaps.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    edited October 2018
    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    With the latest polling out of Tennessee the senate is basically done now. 538 is only giving the Dems a plausible chance by somehow making North Dakota a viable win for them.

    If Heitkamp does lose, she'll manage to lose against every historic precedent.

    The last incumbent senator of a party not in control the white house to lose re-election in a wave year for their own party would be Democrat Howard Cannon of Nevada in 1982.

    In every wave midterm election since then ('86, '94, '06, '10, '14) every incumbent on the right side of the wave has won.
    She's a conventional Democrat running in a state which Trump won by 36 points and still has a high approval rating in.

    The other Senate seat in ND is currently held by the Republicans with a 62% majority. The GOP won the Govenorship by 57%.

    She's well down in the polls against a well known and liked local candidate. Frankly she needs a scandal to fall in to her lap at this point.
    Quite a few states appear to be trending to the Democrats though on a demographic basis - Texas - Arizona - Georgia - North Carolina - maybe Florida.
    Not really North Carolina or Florida, and the Democrats regularly punch below their demographic weight in Texas.
    At Presidential elections the Democrats have become much more competitive in North Carolina and Florida compared with the 1980s and earlier. The former still leans Republican but Obama carried the state in 2008 and lost narrowly in 2012.Until the 1990s Florida had been a safe Republican state rather than the 'toss-up ' of recent elections.
    Florida has been a bellwether State for at least 60 years.
    Until Clinton carried the state in 1996, Florida had only supported the Democrats since 1948 in the LBJ 1964 landslide and Carter's 1976 win.
    1960 and 1992 are the only two years that Florida has not supported the winner, since 1928.

    So, Republican in 1928, Democratic from 1932 to 1948, Republican from 1952 to 1960, Democratic in 1964, Republican in 1968 and 1972, Democratic in 1876, Republican from 1980 to 1992, Democratic in 1996, Republican in 2000 (by 539 votes!) and 2004, Democratic in 2008 and 2012, and Republican in 2016.

    That's a swing State by any definition.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. tpfkar, indeed. Boiled frogs are in political fashion.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
    Yes it's surprising how much solar power is generated on cloudy days.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Nigelb said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
    Hasn’t the number of coal-fires power stations dramatically reduced in the last few years?
    It has, of course.
    But that statistic is nonetheless a mark of astonishing progress.
    I think gas has picked up most of the slack in recent years.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Nigelb said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    IDS did screw up, but a good chunk of these losses is down to the Treasury cutting UC funding. IDS resigned over it.

    May needs Hammond to fix this fast, or her party is toast.
    Which is probably a significant part of what his 'deal dividend' announcement was about.

    (And again, no deal = electoral wipeout.)
    No deal = lots more money to fix UC.
    All things being equal, but tax revenues would probably drop in such a scenario.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    OGH is absolutely right regarding health care. If you have a conversation with any American outside the 1%, then healthcare will be one of their biggest concerns.

    I find it astonishing that the UK government spends less than the US one on healthcare, in either absolute terms or as a percentage of GDP, and manages to cover everyone.

    Winning the House could be a disaster for the Republicans, because their base wants to get rid of Obamacare. (And the Affordable Care Act, unlike Obamacare, is actually rather popular.)
  • I would be tempted to put a bet on the Reps holding the house if the odds were better.

    Real Clear Politics has moved the house in the last week from 205D, 194R, 36 Toss up to 204D, 199R, 32 Toss up.

    If you split the toss ups 50:50 that would give 220D-215R which is not exactly secure for the Dems.

    The NY Times are live polling 4 Congressional Districts and have R ahead in 2 and D ahead in 2.

    Looking at the Senate, it is now possible that the Reps could gain seats. I wouldn't be surprised if the better polls in TX, TN and NV are also matched in MT and IN when they are next polled.
  • I would be tempted to put a bet on [X] if the odds were better.

    I mean, woudln't we all?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    Sean_F said:

    justin124 said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    If Heitkamp does lose, she'll manage to lose against every historic precedent.

    The last incumbent senator of a party not in control the white house to lose re-election in a wave year for their own party would be Democrat Howard Cannon of Nevada in 1982.

    In every wave midterm election since then ('86, '94, '06, '10, '14) every incumbent on the right side of the wave has won.
    She's a conventional Democrat running in a state which Trump won by 36 points and still has a high approval rating in.

    The other Senate seat in ND is currently held by the Republicans with a 62% majority. The GOP won the Govenorship by 57%.

    She's well down in the polls against a well known and liked local candidate. Frankly she needs a scandal to fall in to her lap at this point.
    Quite a few states appear to be trending to the Democrats though on a demographic basis - Texas - Arizona - Georgia - North Carolina - maybe Florida.
    Not really North Carolina or Florida, and the Democrats regularly punch below their demographic weight in Texas.
    At Presidential elections the Democrats have become much more competitive in North Carolina and Florida compared with the 1980s and earlier. The former still leans Republican but Obama carried the state in 2008 and lost narrowly in 2012.Until the 1990s Florida had been a safe Republican state rather than the 'toss-up ' of recent elections.
    Florida has been a bellwether State for at least 60 years.
    Until Clinton carried the state in 1996, Florida had only supported the Democrats since 1948 in the LBJ 1964 landslide and Carter's 1976 win.
    1960 and 1992 are the only two years that Florida has not supported the winner, since 1928.

    So, Republican in 1928, Democratic from 1932 to 1948, Republican from 1952 to 1960, Democratic in 1964, Republican in 1968 and 1972, Democratic in 1876, Republican from 1980 to 1992, Democratic in 1996, Republican in 2000 (by 539 votes!) and 2004, Democratic in 2008 and 2012, and Republican in 2016.

    That's a swing State by any definition.
    And likely to remain so with the southern part of the state (Geographically in the north), combining with a set of heavy Dem cities that play out more like the north-eastern seaboard in the south of the state. They seem to counterbalance each other well, whereas say VA is definitely tilting more DEM with the cities in the east outweighing the more rural areas.
  • AndyJS said:

    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
    Yes it's surprising how much solar power is generated on cloudy days.
    How about at night - moonlight?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237

    I would be tempted to put a bet on the Reps holding the house if the odds were better.

    Real Clear Politics has moved the house in the last week from 205D, 194R, 36 Toss up to 204D, 199R, 32 Toss up.

    If you split the toss ups 50:50 that would give 220D-215R which is not exactly secure for the Dems.

    The NY Times are live polling 4 Congressional Districts and have R ahead in 2 and D ahead in 2.

    Looking at the Senate, it is now possible that the Reps could gain seats. I wouldn't be surprised if the better polls in TX, TN and NV are also matched in MT and IN when they are next polled.

    It's always been likely the Republicans would gain seats in the Senate. The Dems were - simply - just defending too many Deep Red states, like North Dakota, Montana and West Virginia, faced a very popular ex-Governor in Florida, and were hoping for unlikely pick-ups suck as Texas or Tennessee.

    The 538 model has always had the most likely scenario being the Republicans picking up one Senate seat net, with them picking up two being more likely than the Dems gaining one net. Those seem pretty accurate to me.

    In the House, the issue for the Republicans is that the polling from wealthy suburbs - which are reliably Republican normally - has been pretty awful. (Actually, really awful.) It's a pattern of concentrated losses which mean I think the roughly 75% chance for them to take the House is about right.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    Understatement of the day...
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/10/12/elected-mayor-at-23-in-struggling-fall-river-jasiel-f-correia-ii-had-the-makings-of-a-rising-star-until-thursday/
    At 23, he beat out a better-funded incumbent to become the city’s youngest-ever mayor.

    Then, early Thursday morning, federal agents arrested Correia on charges that he stole almost a quarter of a million dollars from seven people who had invested in his start-up, and spent the money on adult entertainment, airfare, a dating service, designer clothes, hotels, jewelry, trips to casinos and a Mercedes-Benz. Hours later, he pleaded not guilty to 13 counts of wire and tax fraud.

    It was, he told reporters, “not my best Thursday.”...
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited October 2018
    tpfkar said:

    Am I the only person losing count of how many deadlines Theresa May is being given, and how many whoosh past with naff all happening?

    https://twitter.com/adampayne26/status/1050742936885964800

    If Gove, Javid and Hunt don't join them we can put them in the Remain camp.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,237
    rcs1000 said:

    I would be tempted to put a bet on the Reps holding the house if the odds were better.

    Real Clear Politics has moved the house in the last week from 205D, 194R, 36 Toss up to 204D, 199R, 32 Toss up.

    If you split the toss ups 50:50 that would give 220D-215R which is not exactly secure for the Dems.

    The NY Times are live polling 4 Congressional Districts and have R ahead in 2 and D ahead in 2.

    Looking at the Senate, it is now possible that the Reps could gain seats. I wouldn't be surprised if the better polls in TX, TN and NV are also matched in MT and IN when they are next polled.

    It's always been likely the Republicans would gain seats in the Senate. The Dems were - simply - just defending too many Deep Red states, like North Dakota, Montana and West Virginia, faced a very popular ex-Governor in Florida, and were hoping for unlikely pick-ups suck as Texas or Tennessee.

    The 538 model has always had the most likely scenario being the Republicans picking up one Senate seat net, with them picking up two being more likely than the Dems gaining one net. Those seem pretty accurate to me.

    In the House, the issue for the Republicans is that the polling from wealthy suburbs - which are reliably Republican normally - has been pretty awful. (Actually, really awful.) It's a pattern of concentrated losses which mean I think the roughly 75% chance for them to take the House is about right.
    538 has, in fact, moved their forecast very slightly in the direction of the Dems in the last week. See:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    I see that providers of pizzas will now have to reduce their size or their toppings. This government is worse than Blair's for nanny-Statism.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. F, quite. May's government is one of meddlesome puritans (although that's still better than Marxists in charge).

    https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1050680742462857217
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Incidentally, Resolution say there will be 3.2 million families who are losers under UC.

    Bye, bye marginal seats.

    You and I have been banging on about this for ages.

    Is anyone else shocked that Iain Duncan Smith screwed up?
    I thought Osborne was to blame? ;)
    Nope.

    Even if it was he’s not been Chancellor for over two years, someone else could have fixed it.

    UC is fundamentally flawed, no wonder the government gagging people from criticising it or Esther McVey, positively Orwellian.

    Also explains why the government buried a key finding about benefit sanctions.
    Not fit for purpose? I thought it was effective at removing the benefit trap?
    My friend who runs a JCP said it is throwing out the baby with the bath water.

    It tries to fix one problem and causes dozens more.

    This is not something going well, if it was the government wouldn’t have to do this.

    https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/1050499312608776192?s=21
    Either you are on the team or not.

    You can't have team members whining in the press whilst working on a project. You have to make your arguments within the team.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Sean_F said:


    I see that providers of pizzas will now have to reduce their size or their toppings. This government is worse than Blair's for nanny-Statism.

    Anything stopping you ordering two? ;)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:


    I see that providers of pizzas will now have to reduce their size or their toppings. This government is worse than Blair's for nanny-Statism.

    Anything stopping you ordering two? ;)
    No doubt they'll pass a law against it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:


    I see that providers of pizzas will now have to reduce their size or their toppings. This government is worse than Blair's for nanny-Statism.

    Anything stopping you ordering two? ;)
    No doubt they'll pass a law against it.
    Just order one under a pseudonym.
  • Nigelb said:

    Anorak said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Anazina said:

    Big John

    There should be a stringent law that nobody is allowed to post a portrait video ever. They are the devils own work.

    This is one of my bugbears.
    My eyes are next to each other, rather than one on top of each other. Being a terretsrial creature, most of the action I see goes along, rather than up and down. WHY doe people persist in filming in portrait? I recently saw someone post a portrait film on facebook of something he was watching on his telly. You can't get much more inherently-landscape than that.
    @WalrusWinks raises a very valid point

    https://twitter.com/WalrusWinks/status/939297756732055552
    Was it Apple that started this abomination ?
    Phones and digital cameras mimic mechanical cameras. You turn the phone and you turn the frame. That decision was made long, long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Steve Job's eye.

    [normally I'm happy to blame Apple for pretty much anything]
    A very good potted history the the format's origins:
    http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2018/10/the-remarkable-persistence-of-24x36.html
    There's a word for the general tendency of the digital to mimic the manual, even when they need not - digital "bookselves" that are pictures of bookshelves with "books".
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    She gets rid of McVey, Mordaunt AND Leadsom?!? wow what an incentive!! Three for the price of one!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Mr. F, quite. May's government is one of meddlesome puritans (although that's still better than Marxists in charge).

    https://twitter.com/HeroOfHornska/status/1050680742462857217

    Methinks yond Morris Dancer has a lean and hungry look...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Nigelb said:

    AndyJS said:

    Wind power is generating 10.3GW at present, the highest I've seen so far.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Impressively, solar appears to be generating more than coal, in the middle of October.
    Yes it's surprising how much solar power is generated on cloudy days.
    How about at night - moonlight?
    Not strong enough AFAIK.
  • Anazina said:

    She gets rid of McVey, Mordaunt AND Leadsom?!? wow what an incentive!! Three for the price of one!!

    But Gove, Fox, Javid and Hunt would also have to go or admit to being Remainers all along.
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