Indiana purged at least 20,000 voters in direct contravention of a federal Court order. Potential as many as 450,000.
I'm glad I live in Britain.
As I've posted before, the Cameron government's use of similar Republican-inspired ruses led directly to losing the EU referendum and ending the Cameroon hegemony. The reduction in seats is part of that which is still in play.
Purge the rolls (disproportionately purging Remainers, though this was not the intention, which was to make Labour areas seem smaller). Reduce House to 600 MPs so that every constituency must be redrawn. Redraw boundaries on the new, Labour-light rolls. Result: more seats in Conservative areas; fewer in Labour areas.
You may have posted it before, but that doesn't make it right ...
What is your non-partisan (ha!) alternative?
You are missing the point. It is history, not advocacy. Brexit may or may not be a good thing; likewise Conservative governments. That was the plan. Losing the referendum was the result.
It isn't 'history'; it's your opinion. The link you've made in the past between the changes and the Brexit referendum aren't that strong or convincing, at least to me.
Remember the voter recruitment drive and the last-minute extensions to the registration deadline? It is clear Number 10 had made the connection. The Leavers did too, since they opposed the extension.
Yes, I do. But that's not evidence, yet alone proof, of your claim.
Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
Nothing, but you have to have trust and there is no sign of that
I am sure the EU are as frustrated by our government's indecision as most of us are, but I don't think we have got to the stage they positively distrust us yet.
There have been indications and statements that they do not trust us
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
Oh dear, the headbanging Leavers have been at the cooking sherry a bit early this morning.
In their customary aspirational manner the headbangers will be more offended at the suggestion that it might be cooking sherry rather than the finest products of Andalucian bodegas.
Surely drinking anything other than british wine would be 'a humiliation for a sovereign nation'?
British wine is imported concentrate which is then bottled in the UK.
I think you mean English, Welsh or Scottish wine which is he real thing.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
What about NI staying in the SM during that period? I'm not clear on whether that's currently part of May's plan or not.
No news on that in the bulletin.... I think we'll know as soon as the DUP do, they're very good at getting press releases out.
Isn't that what they've been sabre-rattling about this week?
Yep; but matters have been slightly confused because there was also Brexiteer objection to a mooted permanent Customs Union.
I think May is now in the Trumpian position of agreeing with the last person she spoke to. When it's the EU, the backstop is permanent. When it's a Leaver, it's temporary
It is not a leaver, it is her cabinet and she has no choice but to accept their collective view or the cabinet will seek her resignation
That is a choice. Just one she's chosen not to make
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
Oh dear, the headbanging Leavers have been at the cooking sherry a bit early this morning.
In their customary aspirational manner the headbangers will be more offended at the suggestion that it might be cooking sherry rather than the finest products of Andalucian bodegas.
Surely drinking anything other than british wine would be 'a humiliation for a sovereign nation'?
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
What about NI staying in the SM during that period? I'm not clear on whether that's currently part of May's plan or not.
No news on that in the bulletin.... I think we'll know as soon as the DUP do, they're very good at getting press releases out.
Isn't that what they've been sabre-rattling about this week?
Yep; but matters have been slightly confused because there was also Brexiteer objection to a mooted permanent Customs Union.
I think May is now in the Trumpian position of agreeing with the last person she spoke to. When it's the EU, the backstop is permanent. When it's a Leaver, it's temporary
It is not a leaver, it is her cabinet and she has no choice but to accept their collective view or the cabinet will seek her resignation
... and then do what excatly? There are no happy choices for the Tories beyond sticking with May.
Not if she cannot get collective cabinet responsibility
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
Oh dear, the headbanging Leavers have been at the cooking sherry a bit early this morning.
In their customary aspirational manner the headbangers will be more offended at the suggestion that it might be cooking sherry rather than the finest products of Andalucian bodegas.
Lovely, not 11 yet and already we are at headbangers. Couple of days ago some poster or other was bemoaning Leavers for their failure to reach out to Remainers over the past two years.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
Oh dear, the headbanging Leavers have been at the cooking sherry a bit early this morning.
In their customary aspirational manner the headbangers will be more offended at the suggestion that it might be cooking sherry rather than the finest products of Andalucian bodegas.
Surely drinking anything other than british wine would be 'a humiliation for a sovereign nation'?
British wine is imported concentrate which is then bottled in the UK.
I think you mean English, Welsh or Scottish wine which is he real thing.
You're right of course. British wine is an abomination. English wine however is usually pretty good. Not tried Welsh or Scottish.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
What about NI staying in the SM during that period? I'm not clear on whether that's currently part of May's plan or not.
No news on that in the bulletin.... I think we'll know as soon as the DUP do, they're very good at getting press releases out.
Isn't that what they've been sabre-rattling about this week?
Yep; but matters have been slightly confused because there was also Brexiteer objection to a mooted permanent Customs Union.
I think May is now in the Trumpian position of agreeing with the last person she spoke to. When it's the EU, the backstop is permanent. When it's a Leaver, it's temporary
It is not a leaver, it is her cabinet and she has no choice but to accept their collective view or the cabinet will seek her resignation
That is a choice. Just one she's chosen not to make
But she has accepted the back stop has to be time limited
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
What about NI staying in the SM during that period? I'm not clear on whether that's currently part of May's plan or not.
No news on that in the bulletin.... I think we'll know as soon as the DUP do, they're very good at getting press releases out.
Isn't that what they've been sabre-rattling about this week?
Yep; but matters have been slightly confused because there was also Brexiteer objection to a mooted permanent Customs Union.
I think May is now in the Trumpian position of agreeing with the last person she spoke to. When it's the EU, the backstop is permanent. When it's a Leaver, it's temporary
It is not a leaver, it is her cabinet and she has no choice but to accept their collective view or the cabinet will seek her resignation
... and then do what excatly? There are no happy choices for the Tories beyond sticking with May.
Not if she cannot get collective cabinet responsibility
She could always follow Corbyn's approach and keep sacking cabinet members until she ends up with a set who will support her.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
You feel humiliated if you want to. But in the real world it will make no difference to anyone - except to save a lot of jobs.
That said, this is a backstop not a final arrangement. It would last until there is a deal, so it is inevitably time-limited.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
Oh dear, the headbanging Leavers have been at the cooking sherry a bit early this morning.
In their customary aspirational manner the headbangers will be more offended at the suggestion that it might be cooking sherry rather than the finest products of Andalucian bodegas.
Lovely, not 11 yet and already we are at headbangers. Couple of days ago some poster or other was bemoaning Leavers for their failure to reach out to Remainers over the past two years.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
What about NI staying in the SM during that period? I'm not clear on whether that's currently part of May's plan or not.
No news on that in the bulletin.... I think we'll know as soon as the DUP do, they're very good at getting press releases out.
Isn't that what they've been sabre-rattling about this week?
Yep; but matters have been slightly confused because there was also Brexiteer objection to a mooted permanent Customs Union.
I think May is now in the Trumpian position of agreeing with the last person she spoke to. When it's the EU, the backstop is permanent. When it's a Leaver, it's temporary
It is not a leaver, it is her cabinet and she has no choice but to accept their collective view or the cabinet will seek her resignation
That is a choice. Just one she's chosen not to make
But she has accepted the back stop has to be time limited
Yep. But when the EU says no, what set of contortions will she go through next?
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
Oh dear, the headbanging Leavers have been at the cooking sherry a bit early this morning.
In their customary aspirational manner the headbangers will be more offended at the suggestion that it might be cooking sherry rather than the finest products of Andalucian bodegas.
Surely drinking anything other than british wine would be 'a humiliation for a sovereign nation'?
There's always Buckfast I guess..
'fraid not... made with imported red wine iirc.
I hear the sound of Unionist jakeball hearts breaking across Glasgow.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
What about NI staying in the SM during that period? I'm not clear on whether that's currently part of May's plan or not.
The EU suggests NI staying in the SM permanently to make a frictionless border with Ireland but a friction border with the rest of the UK (the main route for NI trade).
For me the real national humiliation is that the whole world can see what an incompetent bunch of charlatans we allow to run our country. It reflects very poorly on us that we all know they’re crap but we do nothing about it.
He's very. very good. He won the F4 series a few years back, came third in F3 a year later, won GP3 last year, and is leading F2 this year - and likely to win.
You don't get that sort of record without serious talent, even with a good car.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
But th UK could only leave with the agreement of the EU. The UK would be a Vasal state.
Indiana purged at least 20,000 voters in direct contravention of a federal Court order. Potential as many as 450,000.
I'm glad I live in Britain.
As I've posted before, the Cameron government's use of similar Republican-inspired ruses led directly to losing the EU referendum and ending the Cameroon hegemony.
Likewise Labour's ruse of purging long-term overseas residents.
He's very. very good. He won the F4 series a few years back, came third in F3 a year later, won GP3 last year, and is leading F2 this year - and likely to win.
You don't get that sort of record without serious talent, even with a good car.
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Schumacher had a go and wasn't that good. He raced a few rounds of the German production series too and wasn't that good in that. I also recall Alonso having a stab at Motegi and he was decent within the limits of the demonstration tyres. The demonstration tyres are as hard as a brick to stop the teams getting any useful data out of running them.,
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Cabinet won't wear it, even if she was prepared to.
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Not trapped permanently: Does anyone else see some wriggle room there?
For me the real national humiliation is that the whole world can see what an incompetent bunch of charlatans we allow to run our country. It reflects very poorly on us that we all know they’re crap but we do nothing about it.
I know you've been entirely consistent on this and were smart enough to call the referendum result, proving you are far more in tune with ordinary people than some of the supercilious sneerers we hear from.
But I see it differently. Yes, the govt hasn't covered itself in glory; May has proved an indecisive leader and the ERG a confused mess of disparate voices. But, I think many people across the world will be envious at how open and fractious our politics are, and how assertive us Brits are in debating the future of our democracy, no matter how wise or unwise the outcome will be.
Brexit has forced, and will continue to force, very many politicians and civil servants off their arses; demanding that they think clearly about building a better future for people (particularly the forgotten working classes), without the comfort of the 'EU prevents us from doing so...' refrain.
Schumacher had a go and wasn't that good. He raced a few rounds of the German production series too and wasn't that good in that. I also recall Alonso having a stab at Motegi and he was decent within the limits of the demonstration tyres. The demonstration tyres are as hard as a brick to stop the teams getting any useful data out of running them.,
I think it's unlikely that John Surtees's achievement will ever be repeated.
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Not trapped permanently: Does anyone else see some wriggle room there?
Yeah, Nick Palmer may be right that she's going to tie it to some conditions instead of time
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
You feel humiliated if you want to. But in the real world it will make no difference to anyone - except to save a lot of jobs.
That said, this is a backstop not a final arrangement. It would last until there is a deal, so it is inevitably time-limited.
But how many decades will elapse before there is a deal? And what incentive will the EU or the Irish republic have to agree to one? The transition will effectively become permanent. Which would suit the EU just fine (Norway has technically been in a "transitional" position for more than 20 years IIRC).
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Yes the daily spectacle of hardline young fogey book wallahs and Brit Nat Australians telling us what’s good for us brings joy to my life, I look forward to it every morning.
Surprise surprise.. all the negativity posted about dire consequences of brexit proves to be with little or no foundation..
Way too early to say
Actually it’s not.
“The UK's financial sector could lose more than 200,000 jobs after Brexit, experts have warned.
Xavier Rolet, chief executive of the London Stock Exchange Group (LSE), said two thirds of the job losses would be felt outside Greater London, with the blow coming as soon as Article 50 is triggered. ”
A50 has been triggered, the jobs haven’t been lost, it’s not too early to point that out.
Cheap point scoring helps no-one. It is hardly consolation if the impact on real jobs and real lives comes after we leave. So it's too early to say.
I am not scoring a point I am point out a fact. If you forecast rain at midday, and it still hasn't rained by 1pm, it's not too early to say the forecast was wrong
For me the real national humiliation is that the whole world can see what an incompetent bunch of charlatans we allow to run our country. It reflects very poorly on us that we all know they’re crap but we do nothing about it.
Unless it turns out May was working to remain in the EU all along and has manipulated the situation brilliantly by salami slicing Brexit until there was nothing left.
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Not trapped permanently: Does anyone else see some wriggle room there?
Indiana purged at least 20,000 voters in direct contravention of a federal Court order. Potential as many as 450,000.
I'm glad I live in Britain.
As I've posted before, the Cameron government's use of similar Republican-inspired ruses led directly to losing the EU referendum and ending the Cameroon hegemony.
Likewise Labour's ruse of purging long-term overseas residents.
When two dogs are fighting for a bone etc etc.
Labour should make polling day a national holiday
Not another one!
It'd be popular, it'd help them get more of their voters out, and it's expanding the franchise rather than disenfranchising. Win-win-win from their perspective.
Schumacher had a go and wasn't that good. He raced a few rounds of the German production series too and wasn't that good in that. I also recall Alonso having a stab at Motegi and he was decent within the limits of the demonstration tyres. The demonstration tyres are as hard as a brick to stop the teams getting any useful data out of running them.,
I think it's unlikely that John Surtees's achievement will ever be repeated.
The disciplines are too specialised now. Marquez and Lorenzo, who are superlative motorcycle racers with 11 world championships between, have both done F1 test drives and been nowhere near the pace.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
But th UK could only leave with the agreement of the EU. The UK would be a Vasal state.
As we're often told, Parliament is sovereign, so we could quite easily abrogate any such agreement in the future. Of course there would be consequences - but there would likely be a set of very similar consequences if we simply exercised a unilateral option to leave a customs union arrangement.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
But th UK could only leave with the agreement of the EU. The UK would be a Vasal state.
When you enter an agreement, how the agreement is to be ended is part of the agreement.
Indiana purged at least 20,000 voters in direct contravention of a federal Court order. Potential as many as 450,000.
I'm glad I live in Britain.
As I've posted before, the Cameron government's use of similar Republican-inspired ruses led directly to losing the EU referendum and ending the Cameroon hegemony. The reduction in seats is part of that which is still in play.
Purge the rolls (disproportionately purging Remainers, though this was not the intention, which was to make Labour areas seem smaller). Reduce House to 600 MPs so that every constituency must be redrawn. Redraw boundaries on the new, Labour-light rolls. Result: more seats in Conservative areas; fewer in Labour areas.
You may have posted it before, but that doesn't make it right ...
What is your non-partisan (ha!) alternative?
You are missing the point. It is history, not advocacy. Brexit may or may not be a good thing; likewise Conservative governments. That was the plan. Losing the referendum was the result.
It isn't 'history'; it's your opinion. The link you've made in the past between the changes and the Brexit referendum aren't that strong or convincing, at least to me.
Remember the voter recruitment drive and the last-minute extensions to the registration deadline? It is clear Number 10 had made the connection. The Leavers did too, since they opposed the extension.
Yes, I do. But that's not evidence, yet alone proof, of your claim.
Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
It is evidence, even if not proof. But suppose I am wrong -- surely that would just mean it was a different Cameroon wheeze that cost them victory because the registration drive recruited mainly Leavers. That sounds far less likely. I was right first time.
Off topic and if I may flex my reactionary muscles for a moment.
I spotted the new mural referred to in the below link for the first time yesterday.
Linking injustices and atrocities of very different sizes, times and places is something I am quite keen on. How power behaves and how it is limited or abetted by authority is pretty much a common thread from slavery, famines, and massacres, and across gender, sexuality, class or racial justice struggles, from before The Harrying of the North to suffragism to Windrush and beyond.
Writing the working classes of Lancashire out of Peterloo, however, is very much not how to make such a link and is not OK.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
But th UK could only leave with the agreement of the EU. The UK would be a Vasal state.
As we're often told, Parliament is sovereign, so we could quite easily abrogate any such agreement in the future. Of course there would be consequences - but there would likely be a set of very similar consequences if we simply exercised a unilateral option to leave a customs union arrangement.
There is a rather significant difference between abrogating a treaty that doesn't provide for a unilateral withdrawal and exercising a unilateral withdrawal provision of a treaty....
Off topic and if I may flex my reactionary muscles for a moment.
I spotted the new mural referred to in the below link for the first time yesterday.
Linking injustices and atrocities of very different sizes, times and places is something I am quite keen on. How power behaves and how it is limited or abetted by authority is pretty much a common thread from slavery, famines, and massacres, and across gender, sexuality, class or racial justice struggles, from before The Harrying of the North to suffragism to Windrush and beyond.
Writing the working classes of Lancashire out of Peterloo, however, is very much not how to make such a link and is not OK.
Being slaughtered by cavalry is an order of magnitude worse than being wrongly scheduled for deportation. As you say, it should be about the Peterloo massacre, not modern politics.
Indiana purged at least 20,000 voters in direct contravention of a federal Court order. Potential as many as 450,000.
I'm glad I live in Britain.
As I've posted before, the Cameron government's use of similar Republican-inspired ruses led directly to losing the EU referendum and ending the Cameroon hegemony. The reduction in seats is part of that which is still in play.
Purge the rolls (disproportionately purging Remainers, though this was not the intention, which was to make Labour areas seem smaller). Reduce House to 600 MPs so that every constituency must be redrawn. Redraw boundaries on the new, Labour-light rolls. Result: more seats in Conservative areas; fewer in Labour areas.
You may have posted it before, but that doesn't make it right ...
What is your non-partisan (ha!) alternative?
You are missing the point. It is history, not advocacy. Brexit may or may not be a good thing; likewise Conservative governments. That was the plan. Losing the referendum was the result.
It isn't 'history'; it's your opinion. The link you've made in the past between the changes and the Brexit referendum aren't that strong or convincing, at least to me.
Remember the voter recruitment drive and the last-minute extensions to the registration deadline? It is clear Number 10 had made the connection. The Leavers did too, since they opposed the extension.
Yes, I do. But that's not evidence, yet alone proof, of your claim.
Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
It is evidence, even if not proof. But suppose I am wrong -- surely that would just mean it was a different Cameroon wheeze that cost them victory because the registration drive recruited mainly Leavers. That sounds far less likely. I was right first time.
No, you were not.
For one thing, it's stupid to think that only one thing 'led directly' to the loss: the referendum was very multi-faceted, and the reasons people voted, yet alone the side they voted for, are complex.
You are just trying to make a political point using an (IMO) false conclusion.
I see that the response to all the stresses caused by the arbitrary deadline of A50 is to insist that any future arrangements have arbitrary deadlines. Genius.
Indiana purged at least 20,000 voters in direct contravention of a federal Court order. Potential as many as 450,000.
I'm glad I live in Britain.
As I've posted before, the Cameron government's use of similar Republican-inspired ruses led directly to losing the EU referendum and ending the Cameroon hegemony. The reduction in seats is part of that which is still in play.
Purge the rolls (disproportionately purging Remainers, though this was not the intention, which was to make Labour areas seem smaller). Reduce House to 600 MPs so that every constituency must be redrawn. Redraw boundaries on the new, Labour-light rolls. Result: more seats in Conservative areas; fewer in Labour areas.
You may have posted it before, but that doesn't make it right ...
What is your non-partisan (ha!) alternative?
You are missing the point. It is history, not advocacy. Brexit may or may not be a good thing; likewise Conservative governments. That was the plan. Losing the referendum was the result.
It isn't 'history'; it's your opinion. The link you've made in the past between the changes and the Brexit referendum aren't that strong or convincing, at least to me.
Remember the voter recruitment drive and the last-minute extensions to the registration deadline? It is clear Number 10 had made the connection. The Leavers did too, since they opposed the extension.
Yes, I do. But that's not evidence, yet alone proof, of your claim.
Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
It is evidence, even if not proof. But suppose I am wrong -- surely that would just mean it was a different Cameroon wheeze that cost them victory because the registration drive recruited mainly Leavers. That sounds far less likely. I was right first time.
No, you were not.
For one thing, it's stupid to think that only one thing 'led directly' to the loss: the referendum was very multi-faceted, and the reasons people voted, yet alone the side they voted for, are complex.
You are just trying to make a political point using an (IMO) false conclusion.
Changes to the registration process weren't worth a net 1.3 m votes.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Sky news trying to make a big event out of this royal wedding when in truth it is of little interest to most, indeed the crowds are wafer thin
I'm no supporter of the Royals (far from it) but I hope the weather in Windsor is a lot kinder to the happy couple than it is here in Dorset at the moment. Bit of a shock to come back to after 10 days in Andalucia!
Seems to be but very windy. We are about to be hit by storm Callum
Mr. Glenn, intentions are not sufficient, the temporary or permanent nature of any such proposal must be clear in black and white.
Mr. G, some Conservatives may want that. I did say a while ago that we might get a departure so atrocious that a second referendum is held where the options are Remain or Leave With The Worst Deal Since Jovian's Negotiation With The Persians.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Sets a precedent for referendums malc - one isn't enough to leave. Have to win 2 in a row.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
Not trapped permanently: Does anyone else see some wriggle room there?
Mr. Glenn, intentions are not sufficient, the temporary or permanent nature of any such proposal must be clear in black and white.
Mr. G, some Conservatives may want that. I did say a while ago that we might get a departure so atrocious that a second referendum is held where the options are Remain or Leave With The Worst Deal Since Jovian's Negotiation With The Persians.
If that was the choice a minimum turn out level of say 75% should be enforced. With all sensible leavers staying at home.
BREAKING Guido sources say PM will be making a public statement later today that UK will not agree to be trapped permanently in a customs union in any circumstances. Kick back on @bbclaurak report was firm.
So NI backstop with Irish Sea checks kicks iin when we leave the CU. Either way it's hypothetical. It's a question of what we say we agree to. It doesn't have anything to do what actually happens.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
You stupid cretin, we don't lick anyone's boots up here , the people are sovereign , not grovelling subjects like halfwitted dullards such as yourself. She has only been there 5 minutes and if she does not do the business she will be out on her arse , no snivelling grovelling bunch of wobbly jellies like the Tories. Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
F1: for those who missed it, I've backed Bottas each way to win at 8.5 (half a point higher with boost). He's qualified 1st and 2nd recently and finished 2nd twice. Seems reasonable.
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Sets a precedent for referendums malc - one isn't enough to leave. Have to win 2 in a row.
We only need win the second one Harry and it is coming
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
You stupid cretin, we don't lick anyone's boots up here , the people are sovereign , not grovelling subjects like halfwitted dullards such as yourself. She has only been there 5 minutes and if she does not do the business she will be out on her arse , no snivelling grovelling bunch of wobbly jellies like the Tories. Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
Lie down dear. Have a nice cup of tea. You’ll soon feel better!
A very good point. In voting for the referendum, Parliament abrogated it's responsibility to the voters, deciding this decision was too important to be left to mere representatives, rather than the voters themselves. Just because some MPs didn't like the result is no reason to try to change it. If they fail to leave, they will fail to carry out a direct promise to the electorate, do you still expect any credibility to remain?
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
You stupid cretin, we don't lick anyone's boots up here , the people are sovereign , not grovelling subjects like halfwitted dullards such as yourself. She has only been there 5 minutes and if she does not do the business she will be out on her arse , no snivelling grovelling bunch of wobbly jellies like the Tories. Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
Your responses are as consistent and colourful as ever Malc
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
You stupid cretin, we don't lick anyone's boots up here , the people are sovereign , not grovelling subjects like halfwitted dullards such as yourself. She has only been there 5 minutes and if she does not do the business she will be out on her arse , no snivelling grovelling bunch of wobbly jellies like the Tories. Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
"It is never difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine."
I note my prediction yesterday morning has come to pass, albeit a few hours late. 9am R4 news bulletin saw Downing St spokesman confirm that any customs union would be time limited.
Good.
I'll offer you a further prediction, that the time limit will be hedged in interesting ways, essentially coming down to "can end by mutual agreement".
Then no deal. We cannot be tied into a customs union. That would be a humiliation for a sovereign nation.
What is humiliating about entering into a voluntary agreement? Governments have done it all the time throughout history.
UK will be licking EU boots, total capitulation , just as Tories planned so they can then have another vote to go back in.
Shiw us how to do it Makc. You've been.licking Nicola,'s boots forever
You stupid cretin, we don't lick anyone's boots up here , the people are sovereign , not grovelling subjects like halfwitted dullards such as yourself. She has only been there 5 minutes and if she does not do the business she will be out on her arse , no snivelling grovelling bunch of wobbly jellies like the Tories. Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
Lie down dear. Have a nice cup of tea. You’ll soon feel better!
Long ago Malc and I made our peace, and I believe I am one tory that he seems to think is ok but of course being married to a Scots lass for 55 years does help
Up shit creek without the proverbial. I think she might actually be less competent than Liam Fox, so I can't say my heart would break if she threw herself on her sword.
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Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it true.
British wine is imported concentrate which is then bottled in the UK.
I think you mean English, Welsh or Scottish wine which is he real thing.
That said, this is a backstop not a final arrangement. It would last until there is a deal, so it is inevitably time-limited.
You don't get that sort of record without serious talent, even with a good car.
Just whether he is old enough for a licence....
He performed exceptionally well at a Select Committee of parliament.
Would make a good PM for the UK.
She is in a very weak place.
But I see it differently. Yes, the govt hasn't covered itself in glory; May has proved an indecisive leader and the ERG a confused mess of disparate voices. But, I think many people across the world will be envious at how open and fractious our politics are, and how assertive us Brits are in debating the future of our democracy, no matter how wise or unwise the outcome will be.
Brexit has forced, and will continue to force, very many politicians and civil servants off their arses; demanding that they think clearly about building a better future for people (particularly the forgotten working classes), without the comfort of the 'EU prevents us from doing so...' refrain.
North Dakota now looks as though it will be a Republican gain, West Virginia a Democratic hold, and the other toss-ups remain toss-ups.
Yes the daily spectacle of hardline young fogey book wallahs and Brit Nat Australians telling us what’s good for us brings joy to my life, I look forward to it every morning.
Of course there would be consequences - but there would likely be a set of very similar consequences if we simply exercised a unilateral option to leave a customs union arrangement.
I spotted the new mural referred to in the below link for the first time yesterday.
Linking injustices and atrocities of very different sizes, times and places is something I am quite keen on. How power behaves and how it is limited or abetted by authority is pretty much a common thread from slavery, famines, and massacres, and across gender, sexuality, class or racial justice struggles, from before The Harrying of the North to suffragism to Windrush and beyond.
Writing the working classes of Lancashire out of Peterloo, however, is very much not how to make such a link and is not OK.
https://phm.org.uk/axelvoid/
https://twitter.com/lewishamilton/status/966400089391448064?lang=en
I got an idea - just put in your letters to Graham Brady
Like so much of ERG they are all talk but little substance
For one thing, it's stupid to think that only one thing 'led directly' to the loss: the referendum was very multi-faceted, and the reasons people voted, yet alone the side they voted for, are complex.
You are just trying to make a political point using an (IMO) false conclusion.
But nothing is agreed until everything is agreed - including the £39Bn.
Andrea Leadsom “considering her position”.
Mr. G, some Conservatives may want that. I did say a while ago that we might get a departure so atrocious that a second referendum is held where the options are Remain or Leave With The Worst Deal Since Jovian's Negotiation With The Persians.
Imposing a turnout filter when there wasn't one in the first referendum could justifiably be criticised as unfair.
Westminstrer Tories will stay at ground level with tongues extended.
"As we're often told, Parliament is sovereign,"
A very good point. In voting for the referendum, Parliament abrogated it's responsibility to the voters, deciding this decision was too important to be left to mere representatives, rather than the voters themselves. Just because some MPs didn't like the result is no reason to try to change it. If they fail to leave, they will fail to carry out a direct promise to the electorate, do you still expect any credibility to remain?
If Leadsom goes I suspect Mordaunt and McVey would follow.
That is you up to date. You now know as much as anyone else.