Former Tory PM Sir John Major says the ERG are now a 'party within a party' that is bullying the PM and are behaving worse than the 'bastards' he faced in the 1990s
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
Former Tory PM Sir John Major says the ERG are now a 'party within a party' that is bullying the PM and are behaving worse than the 'bastards' he faced in the 1990s
I don't know. I can think of several questions to which Corbyn's the answer. 'Who makes the best jam of all 646 MPs?' would be an obvious one.
Excellent pedantry there @Ydoethur. If he sticks to jam, his allotment and man hole covers the damage he does to the country might be mitigated. Just don't let him run anything more important than the Labour Party.
A good line in normal times but with a chaotic Tory Brexit that might cost hundreds of billions of pounds and turn Kent into a lorry park, these are not normal but interesting times.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
That will be down to Catholic babymaking in the Catholic majority counties. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland voted to Leave the EU.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
Former Tory PM Sir John Major says the ERG are now a 'party within a party' that is bullying the PM and are behaving worse than the 'bastards' he faced in the 1990s
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
That will be down to Catholic babymaking in the Catholic counties. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland voted to Leave the EU.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
You are a disgusting bigot for repeating the vile smears that Catholics breed like rabbits.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
That will be down to Catholic babymaking in the Catholic counties. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland voted to Leave the EU.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Former Tory PM Sir John Major says the ERG are now a 'party within a party' that is bullying the PM and are behaving worse than the 'bastards' he faced in the 1990s
maybe he should have called a referendum when he had the chance
he would have won it
If it included the Euro opt out
all those ex PMs yelling at May might want to reflect on their part in getting us here. They flunked addressing the electorate when they could and now theyre whingeing at someone else to do th job they wouldnt do. STFU might be their best contribution atm.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
That will be down to Catholic babymaking in the Catholic counties. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland voted to Leave the EU.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
You are a disgusting bigot for repeating the vile smears that Catholics breed like rabbits.
You should be ashamed.
Average Catholic family size has long been bigger in NI and even now the Pope opposes contraception
Mr. Eagles, you said before the referendum you wanted us to leave but thought it'd be better to do so down the line. Now you're saying you want us to join the single currency.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
If the Tories had a majority, and did not need the DUP, would they accept a customs border in the Irish Sea if that was the only sticking point in sealing a deal?
If so, then if a potential deal founders on the DUP red line, then shouldn't the Tories call a snap election with their main pitch to the electorate being "give us a majoirity, and we'll give you a deal"?
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
If the Tories had a majority, and did not need the DUP, would they accept a customs border in the Irish Sea if that was the only sticking point in sealing a deal?
If so, then if a potential deal founders on the DUP red line, then shouldn't the Tories call a snap election with their main pitch to the electorate being "give us a majoirity, and we'll give you a deal"?
She should call it the ‘Who Governs, me or the DUP’ election.
Former Tory PM Sir John Major says the ERG are now a 'party within a party' that is bullying the PM and are behaving worse than the 'bastards' he faced in the 1990s
This is a PM seeking to deliver a Brexit in name only, committing to an effective customs union in defiance of the manifesto on which her party (and indeed Labour) fought the 2017 election. On her election as she sought to portray herself as fully committed to the cause of Brexit, yet is now exposed as a Remainer who has not changed her spots. MPs of her party have every right to push back in those circumstances.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
I know someone who was fairly high up in Vote Leave reckons we’ll have rejoined by 2030 in the event of a sustained No Deal.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
That will be down to Catholic babymaking in the Catholic counties. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland voted to Leave the EU.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
You are a disgusting bigot for repeating the vile smears that Catholics breed like rabbits.
You should be ashamed.
Average Catholic family size has long been bigger in NI and even now the Pope opposes contraception
If the Tories had a majority, and did not need the DUP, would they accept a customs border in the Irish Sea if that was the only sticking point in sealing a deal?
If so, then if a potential deal founders on the DUP red line, then shouldn't the Tories call a snap election with their main pitch to the electorate being "give us a majoirity, and we'll give you a deal"?
She should call it the ‘Who Governs, me or the DUP’ election.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
There still seems to be a lot of angst about who said what to whom in the past. Doesn't materially change the situation we are now in and the options we now face.
For all of the kicking and screaming by a few people - especially from our down under not at all affected friend - a No Deal crash out scenario is accepted by few. As this is the default outcome of inaction, it understandably is sharpening the mind as the moment of truth approaches. Like the Grand Old Duke of old, May needs to climb back down the hill she chose to climb up and chose one of the actual physical paths forward as opposed to the carried by unicorn one she promised the top of the hill would offer.
Mr. Eagles, you said before the referendum you wanted us to leave but thought it'd be better to do so down the line. Now you're saying you want us to join the single currency.
I’m not in favour of us joining the single currency.
I’m making an observation that we might have to rejoin the EU and signing up to the single currency will be mandatory in that deal.
If the Tories had a majority, and did not need the DUP, would they accept a customs border in the Irish Sea if that was the only sticking point in sealing a deal?
If so, then if a potential deal founders on the DUP red line, then shouldn't the Tories call a snap election with their main pitch to the electorate being "give us a majoirity, and we'll give you a deal"?
She should call it the ‘Who Governs, me or the DUP’ election.
Last 'Who Governs' GE worked out well.
Helped in usher in Margaret Thatcher so ultimately was worth it.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
I know someone who was fairly high up in Vote Leave reckons we’ll have rejoined by 2030 in the event of a sustained No Deal.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
well I have no reason to doubt any of that, there is no settled opinion in the UK atm so the doors are open to all and sundry.
However having seen the lamentable performance of the UK political class, until we actually get vaguely competent politicans wed be mad to try and go back in.
If the DUP follows through with their threat not to support the Budget, surely that would be the catalyst that prompted a Conservative leadership contest? If the Government can't function while following the course that May insists on, surely May would have to go?
Remainer Conservative MPs can't really make a similar threat, unless a significant number of them are happy to resign the Conservative whip.
There still seems to be a lot of angst about who said what to whom in the past. Doesn't materially change the situation we are now in and the options we now face.
For all of the kicking and screaming by a few people - especially from our down under not at all affected friend - a No Deal crash out scenario is accepted by few. As this is the default outcome of inaction, it understandably is sharpening the mind as the moment of truth approaches. Like the Grand Old Duke of old, May needs to climb back down the hill she chose to climb up and chose one of the actual physical paths forward as opposed to the carried by unicorn one she promised the top of the hill would offer.
A lonely voice of reason, barely audible amongst the cries of the mob.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
I know someone who was fairly high up in Vote Leave reckons we’ll have rejoined by 2030 in the event of a sustained No Deal.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
well I have no reason to doubt any of that, there is no settled opinion in the UK atm so the doors are open to all and sundry.
However having seen the lamentable performance of the UK political class, until we actually get vaguely competent politicans wed be mad to try and go back in.
I wouldn't worry about it we'll be bankrupt by then anyway. I notice the stock market has dived in anticipation
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
You really believe that the EU press team is scouring this blog for a stop the press release, "anonymous chap on internet says..." you really are paranoid.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
I know someone who was fairly high up in Vote Leave reckons we’ll have rejoined by 2030 in the event of a sustained No Deal.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
well I have no reason to doubt any of that, there is no settled opinion in the UK atm so the doors are open to all and sundry.
However having seen the lamentable performance of the UK political class, until we actually get vaguely competent politicans wed be mad to try and go back in.
I wouldn't worry about it we'll be bankrupt by then anyway. I notice the stock market has dived in anticipation
If our domestic politicians are so lamentable surely that’s a reason to rejoin ASAP?
(incidentally, subjecting the country more directly to the incompetence of the British political establishment is one of the hidden costs of Brexit)
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner. I'd absolutely rather that did but they think we will cave so they wont. We thus need to show some backbone.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
I know someone who was fairly high up in Vote Leave reckons we’ll have rejoined by 2030 in the event of a sustained No Deal.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
well I have no reason to doubt any of that, there is no settled opinion in the UK atm so the doors are open to all and sundry.
However having seen the lamentable performance of the UK political class, until we actually get vaguely competent politicans wed be mad to try and go back in.
I wouldn't worry about it we'll be bankrupt by then anyway. I notice the stock market has dived in anticipation
Roger the stock market has collapsed since you put all the fat people off going to Patisserie Valerie. Here in the Midlands everyone is trying to shred blubber so they can see you in Nice next year.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
That will be down to Catholic babymaking in the Catholic counties. Most Protestants in Northern Ireland voted to Leave the EU.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
You are a disgusting bigot for repeating the vile smears that Catholics breed like rabbits.
You should be ashamed.
Average Catholic family size has long been bigger in NI and even now the Pope opposes contraception
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner.
What does that even mean? They have to negotiate in the best interests of the 27 that are staying and don't owe anything to the stupid fuckers that jumped over the taffrail.
"Prime Minister’s Questions left me hoping the Conservatives lose the next election – lose it so badly their buttocks sting – and that Jeremy Corbyn, with whom I disagree on almost everything, becomes Prime Minister."
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
You really believe that the EU press team is scouring this blog for a stop the press release, "anonymous chap on internet says..." you really are paranoid.
Go back and read my post in context and you might understand.
Remainers are giving succour to the EU - eg the Cleggs and Adonises meeting with Barner etc
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
bank branch closures dont count, thats little people
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Unless we have No Deal at the end of November and Remain wins a second EU referendum before the end of March 2019 and we stay in the EU on current terms as a result we will not return to the EU.
The most we would return to is the single market via EFTA
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner.
What does that even mean? They have to negotiate in the best interests of the 27 that are staying and don't owe anything to the stupid fuckers that jumped over the taffrail.
Yep, you’ve just proved our point in your usual charming way.
If they’re on the other side of the table, they’re opponents.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner.
What does that even mean? They have to negotiate in the best interests of the 27 that are staying and don't owe anything to the stupid fuckers that jumped over the taffrail.
Well if that's your attitude then we need to negotiate in the best interests of ourselves and don't owe anything to the stupid fuckers who so screwed up their union they lost one of their biggest members.
That wasn't Recidivist's attitude though or did not seem to be at least.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
You really believe that the EU press team is scouring this blog for a stop the press release, "anonymous chap on internet says..." you really are paranoid.
Go back and read my post in context and you might understand.
Remainers are giving succour to the EU - eg the Cleggs and Adonises meeting with Barner etc
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
You really believe that the EU press team is scouring this blog for a stop the press release, "anonymous chap on internet says..." you really are paranoid.
Go back and read my post in context and you might understand.
Remainers are giving succour to the EU - eg the Cleggs and Adonises meeting with Barner etc
I read it. You're paranoid.
Not at all.
I’m perfectly confident that we’re leaving. I just want people to realise that the manner in which the EU negotiate is not friendly, and it isn’t in the public interest to cheer them on.
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
so if youre being sent to Frankfurt does that make you a cabbage ?
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner. I'd absolutely rather that did but they think we will cave so they wont. We thus need to show some backbone.
Who....... started...... this ....... argument? The British Government and people don’t know what they want. Around half want to stay in the EU. And the EU’s preferred position is that we do, preferably, of course, after electing some rational and constructive MEP’s. I sometimes suspect that the Council of Ministers secret aim is to keep things going so that, as is slowly happening, even more of us recognise what a mess we’d be in if we did actually leave.
I see 53,000 predominatly African-American voter registrations in Georgia are being blocked due to a voter supression measure designed to block voter registration.
I'm sure Charles will along to tell us how that's totally fine as there was a debate or some such.
I don’t know the details of this case. The fact that you consistently describe them as “voter suppression” leads me to conclude you don’t have an open mind
My view is simple: preserving the integrity of the ballot is more important than efforts to register new voters. Asking for proof of ID is not unreasonable. If a certain group in society don’t have ID find out why and fix that - don’t deal with the symptoms
As for your snide comment about the debate you said the supporters of the law in ND needed to make a case - I just pointed out that since it was a law they had probably debated it before passing
For all of the kicking and screaming by a few people - especially from our down under not at all affected friend - a No Deal crash out scenario is accepted by few. As this is the default outcome of inaction, it understandably is sharpening the mind as the moment of truth approaches. Like the Grand Old Duke of old, May needs to climb back down the hill she chose to climb up and chose one of the actual physical paths forward as opposed to the carried by unicorn one she promised the top of the hill would offer.
You are right that it is sharpening the mind but that applies to the other side too in spades. Did you see the recent comments of the German industrial federation for example. If we do reach 29th March without a full trade deal, be prepared for an immediate restarting of negotiations. At that point, faced with the need to secure the EU's export markets (remember that they sell us twice as much as we sell them) and a yawning hole in the EU's budget, then progress would be made quickly. Artificial negotiating barriers constructed by the EU would be quietly dropped. I would expect a Canada ++ type agreement to have been reached by June 2019. Theresa May would be long gone by then.
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
so if youre being sent to Frankfurt does that make you a cabbage ?
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Mr. P, we already know Osborne's fear-mongering was overblown. There was no Punishment Budget, after all.
If he'd been more credible, then his words, and those of others (that were perhaps more realistic) would've been taken more seriously and had more impact.
I believe we were headed for Brexit whatever Remainers said. There were enough people who bought into the idea that leaving the EU would solve all their problems, it's human nature to want to believe there are simple solutions. We will leave the EU and the problems will all still be there, what happens next is anybody's guess. My guess is that a lot will vote for Corbyn because he is offering equally undeliverable and simplistic solutions to their problems.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
so if youre being sent to Frankfurt does that make you a cabbage ?
youre sounding increasingly like a sour kraut
I’m an Apple man through and through.
A terrible and unforgivable flaw in an otherwise perfect man.
"Prime Minister’s Questions left me hoping the Conservatives lose the next election – lose it so badly their buttocks sting – and that Jeremy Corbyn, with whom I disagree on almost everything, becomes Prime Minister."
Mr. T, hopefully next time the Conservatives will have a manifesto that doesn't include the promise to bludgeon kittens to death, and the media might remember to ask Corbyn harder hitting questions than "Will you keep your allotment?".
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
Never negotiate with a farmer
The agricultural joke a few years ago was “what’s the difference between a supermarket buyer and a terrorist’. To which the answer was ‘One can negotiate with a terrorist!’
"Prime Minister’s Questions left me hoping the Conservatives lose the next election – lose it so badly their buttocks sting – and that Jeremy Corbyn, with whom I disagree on almost everything, becomes Prime Minister."
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
so that means we have up to 60k people who can now work in the NHS
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
so that means we have up to 60k people who can now work in the NHS
There’s a reason I didn’t follow in my father’s footsteps.
I think I’d bankrupt the NHS with the negligence claims brought against me.
I go all poncey boots Gaylord at the sight of blood and the germaphobe in me wouldn’t like it either.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner. I'd absolutely rather that did but they think we will cave so they wont. We thus need to show some backbone.
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
Thanks.
Those numbers are large enough to be noticeable on the ONS employment reports so it will be something to look out for next year.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambitionunhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Cameron out, Osborne out, Boris out
whats not to like ?
You forgot the biggest upside.
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
Imagine really clever Oxbridge guys outnegotiated by a bunch of rednecks and hill farmers
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
Well you lost the first round and that took 40 years, if round two takes as long then nearly everyone who voted will be dead so there will be no Freude to go with your Schaden.
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
I know someone who was fairly high up in Vote Leave reckons we’ll have rejoined by 2030 in the event of a sustained No Deal.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
well I have no reason to doubt any of that, there is no settled opinion in the UK atm so the doors are open to all and sundry.
However having seen the lamentable performance of the UK political class, until we actually get vaguely competent politicans wed be mad to try and go back in.
I wouldn't worry about it we'll be bankrupt by then anyway. I notice the stock market has dived in anticipation
That is silly. The markets are falling world wide due to concerns on international trade.
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
so that means we have up to 60k people who can now work in the NHS
There’s a reason I didn’t follow in my father’s footsteps.
I think I’d bankrupt the NHS with the negligence claims brought against me.
I go all poncey boots Gaylord at the sight of blood and the germaphobe in me wouldn’t like it either.
I didnt follow in my fathers footsteps either, people shoot at policemen back home
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
And given the sustained job loses that automation and other market changes are allowing, how many of those jobs would disappear regardless of Brexit?
It's like Jaguar Land Rover blaming Brexit for temporary plant closures when the real reason is the incredibly rapid shift from Diesel to other options...
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner. I'd absolutely rather that did but they think we will cave so they wont. We thus need to show some backbone.
Who....... started...... this ....... argument?
Jean Monnet?
It depends how far back you want to look.
OK; what about Churchill’s United States of Europe?
"Prime Minister’s Questions left me hoping the Conservatives lose the next election – lose it so badly their buttocks sting – and that Jeremy Corbyn, with whom I disagree on almost everything, becomes Prime Minister."
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner. I'd absolutely rather that did but they think we will cave so they wont. We thus need to show some backbone.
Who....... started...... this ....... argument?
Jean Monnet?
It depends how far back you want to look.
OK; what about Churchill’s United States of Europe?
"Prime Minister’s Questions left me hoping the Conservatives lose the next election – lose it so badly their buttocks sting – and that Jeremy Corbyn, with whom I disagree on almost everything, becomes Prime Minister."
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
So what's your estimate of the number of financial services jobs to be lost ?
Depends on the deal we get or don’t get.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
And given the sustained job loses that automation and other market changes are allowing, how many of those jobs would disappear regardless of Brexit?
It's like Jaguar Land Rover blaming Brexit for temporary plant closures when the real reason is the incredibly rapid shift from Diesel to other options...
A lot of it will be down to Brexit and forcing us to have a fully capitalised legal entity inside the EU.
Having just a brass plate in Bruxelles or Frankfurt won’t do.
Mr. Meeks, don't bet on Betfair much now (do plan on shuffling money at some point) but I do remember getting something daft like 4 matched for one gender or the other to win Strictly. That was nice.
Long time ago, though. Before the BBC buggered their own rules with the Tom Chambers nonsense.
What possible succour are Brexiteers taking from the shitshow they unleashed?
BoZo's ambition crashed and burned on the altar of Brexit. Nobody who campaigned for it will be remembered well by history. When the UK is once again the sick man of Europe, will they tour the studios saying "at least the people who wanted to remain are unhappy now..."
Get a grip.
Editing quotes out of context isn’t big or clever, Scott.
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
I still think of them as friends and partners with whom we have no particular argument. What have I missed?
They're on the opposite side of the negotiations. Whether they're friends is immaterial.
But there is no reason for these negotiations to be adversarial. We are currently in a mutually advantageous relationship. We both want to come up with a new arrangement that keeps as many of the advantages that we currently enjoy as possible. This should be the easiest negotiation in history.
They're adversarial because the EU side won't negotiate in a friendly manner. I'd absolutely rather that did but they think we will cave so they wont. We thus need to show some backbone.
Who....... started...... this ....... argument?
Jean Monnet?
It depends how far back you want to look.
OK; what about Churchill’s United States of Europe?
I blame Bismark.
No doubt Mr Dancer will be along shortly to point out that Bismarck is something of a Johnny-come-lately and the real culprit is some long dead classical Roman called Factorem Tribulatio Magna or some such
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
You’re comparing apples with cabbages.
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
Is the whole institution going? And what type is it? Are you moving to live there or just work during the week? And, this is not meant to sound rude, why you? Legal/compliance people are not usually the key people needed to be present to enable financial services to be provided.
Super totally off-topic but I am slowly reading through the Candy/Holyoake judgement by Lady Nugee's other half and it reads like a thriller. Very entertaining. For those quiet moments.
Mrs C, well, ill-thought out constitutional tinkering can be traced back to Diocletian's tetrachy (which worked, but only when he was in charge, and led to massive war when he wasn't).
Although for long-term failure to comprehend the implications of precedents, particularly regarding discount, Tiberius deserves much blame for the creation of the donative, and Augustus for the failure to establish a legal definition of the rightful ruler and successor.
Comments
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcnickrobinson/status/1050269218648805377
One Labour blogger calling it the 'biggest betrayal since Ramsay MacDonald'
https://mobile.twitter.com/PrivacyCestFini/status/1050050344024231942
It gives succour to the EU, who are the opponents in the pretty toxic negotiations.
he would have won it
The seeds have been planted for Northern Ireland’s departure from the UK.
If Arlene said all good DUP voters should have at least 6 children as the Pope used to tell Catholics the whole of Northern Ireland's future in the UK would be asssured
they have you by the balls and are listening to your chorus of wailing impotence
You should be ashamed.
The EU are our neighbours, partners and allies.
Brexiteers are the enemy...
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain.
https://order-order.com/2018/10/10/top-mep-proposes-billion-euro-propaganda-splurge/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3997909/
If so, then if a potential deal founders on the DUP red line, then shouldn't the Tories call a snap election with their main pitch to the electorate being "give us a majoirity, and we'll give you a deal"?
If the UK chooses to rejoin, that wont worry me much as long as its upfront and voter approved rather than the traditional sheak stuff in by the back door, but I suspect the price of doing so once were out will put a lot of people off.
The other aspect he’d not factored in was that a Leave has awoken a large Pro-EU movement in the country.
For all of the kicking and screaming by a few people - especially from our down under not at all affected friend - a No Deal crash out scenario is accepted by few. As this is the default outcome of inaction, it understandably is sharpening the mind as the moment of truth approaches. Like the Grand Old Duke of old, May needs to climb back down the hill she chose to climb up and chose one of the actual physical paths forward as opposed to the carried by unicorn one she promised the top of the hill would offer.
I’m making an observation that we might have to rejoin the EU and signing up to the single currency will be mandatory in that deal.
However having seen the lamentable performance of the UK political class, until we actually get vaguely competent politicans wed be mad to try and go back in.
Remainer Conservative MPs can't really make a similar threat, unless a significant number of them are happy to resign the Conservative whip.
"We’re playing the long game.
A bad Brexit sees us rejoin replete with the Euro and Schengen.
The reactions of Leavers will be great. They’ll be like the Japanese on Okinawa in 1945 as the Americans inch closer.
Short term pain for long term gain."
(incidentally, subjecting the country more directly to the incompetence of the British political establishment is one of the hidden costs of Brexit)
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/brexit-is-not-an-excuse-to-stall-election-no-party-has-a-divine-right-to-power-says-fianna-fils-michel-martin-37407148.html
The incredible shrinking job losses:
' The Bank of England believes that up to 75,000 jobs could be lost in financial services following Britain's departure from the European Union. '
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604
' UK expects to lose 5,000 City jobs through Brexit '
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45811006
To put the 5,000 into context that's less than 0.5% of financial services employment and rather less than the actual job losses from bank branch closures of recent years.
"Prime Minister’s Questions left me hoping the Conservatives lose the next election – lose it so badly their buttocks sting – and that Jeremy Corbyn, with whom I disagree on almost everything, becomes Prime Minister."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6262997/QUENTIN-LETTS-Enter-Mrs-prompting-wild-cheers-THREE-Tories.html
Remainers are giving succour to the EU - eg the Cleggs and Adonises meeting with Barner etc
Not at all financial services jobs are in the City.
I type this from a financial institution based in Manchester who is being relocated to Frankfurt.
The most we would return to is the single market via EFTA
If they’re on the other side of the table, they’re opponents.
That wasn't Recidivist's attitude though or did not seem to be at least.
I’m perfectly confident that we’re leaving. I just want people to realise that the manner in which the EU negotiate is not friendly, and it isn’t in the public interest to cheer them on.
youre sounding increasingly like a sour kraut
The British Government and people don’t know what they want. Around half want to stay in the EU. And the EU’s preferred position is that we do, preferably, of course, after electing some rational and constructive MEP’s.
I sometimes suspect that the Council of Ministers secret aim is to keep things going so that, as is slowly happening, even more of us recognise what a mess we’d be in if we did actually leave.
My view is simple: preserving the integrity of the ballot is more important than efforts to register new voters. Asking for proof of ID is not unreasonable. If a certain group in society don’t have ID find out why and fix that - don’t deal with the symptoms
As for your snide comment about the debate you said the supporters of the law in ND needed to make a case - I just pointed out that since it was a law they had probably debated it before passing
It's the equivalent of a child stamping his foot and saying 'ITS NOT FAIR'
There is no mandate and no path for Hard Brexit. Suck it up.
Even Chequers doesn’t cover (financial) services.
If we exclude retail banking which is undergoing massive changes whether we voted Remain or Leave, the estimates I’ve seen is from 10,000 (best case) and 25,000 (middling deal) to 60,000 (sustained no deal).
That’s direct jobs, and doesn’t factor in secondary sectors that rely on FS, Banking, and Insurance.
To which the answer was ‘One can negotiate with a terrorist!’
It was of course, current before ISIS were about!
Mine is that by the end of the day a non limited Customs Union is kicked into touch.
Or
That several ministers resign
I think I’d bankrupt the NHS with the negligence claims brought against me.
I go all poncey boots Gaylord at the sight of blood and the germaphobe in me wouldn’t like it either.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/10/10/imf-knows-world-economy-dangerously-stretched-today-2008/
It depends how far back you want to look.
Those numbers are large enough to be noticeable on the ONS employment reports so it will be something to look out for next year.
This time it is not Brexit
It's like Jaguar Land Rover blaming Brexit for temporary plant closures when the real reason is the incredibly rapid shift from Diesel to other options...
Having just a brass plate in Bruxelles or Frankfurt won’t do.
It wasn't when I left up a lay of Sadiq Khan as he got the Labour nomination whilst I was on holiday and forgot about it xD !
Long time ago, though. Before the BBC buggered their own rules with the Tom Chambers nonsense.
https://judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/holyoake-v-candy-20171221.pdf
Although for long-term failure to comprehend the implications of precedents, particularly regarding discount, Tiberius deserves much blame for the creation of the donative, and Augustus for the failure to establish a legal definition of the rightful ruler and successor.