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Joan Ryan is chair of Labour Friends of Israel. Tonight local party radicals passed a vote of no confidence in her, 1st stage of deselection. Tough to think of a worse look for a political party that aspires to govern. https://t.co/7Pqyg6TPvL
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Blair - Iraq
Brown - Financial Crisis
Cameron - Brexit
not exactly an advert fot the third way
You stay in that filth then you are tainted by it.
https://twitter.com/davidicke/status/1038034310643822593?s=19
https://twitter.com/NoraMulready/status/1037983689739853825
Also, Blair chose Iraq, Cameron enabled Brexit but was Brown responsible all by himself for the world's financial crisis?
http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/exiting-the-european-union-committee/the-progress-of-the-uks-negotiations-on-eu-withdrawal/oral/88890.pdf
Both Brexiteers & Remainers trying and failing to get Barnier to say "Chequers is Dead".....
Can't they just stop at a halfway point and allow the membership to vote ?
the flaw in Blairism\ Cameronism was the toxic meme " they have nowhere else to go" applied to their own supporters. That works for a while, then when youve pissed on your own supporters long enough they do find somewhere where they dont feel so ignored. Or wet.
Corbyn and Brexit stem directly from this imo. the formula was pushed way past the point it worked.
The statement "elections are won in the centre" is true, but only if you repect the second half of the formula " as long as you can keep your left\right wing on board"
(I have more time for Gavin Shuker).
I think deselections are a consequence of the membership and PLP being so out-of-kilter. They are therefore necessary.
Theyve all done lots of other things both good and bad but thats what theyll be remembered for by the GBP
trump, chemnitz, lega, corbyn
how we get out of it fk knows
The only way out is for mainstream politicians to propose bold policies on immigration, housing, social care etc - or people will increasingly turn to extremists who will talk about these issues.
Mrs May tried (badly) to talk about social care last year, and we saw how that went - but it’s the right idea, and we need to get sensible discussions going on these issues.
unfortunately in the UK only Corbyn comes near to that.
The same thing may be necessary for the Tory party. I have nothing in common with Brexiters, they are economy crashers in the same way Corbyn is ,and large numbers (like Corbyn) are racists. The only real difference is their eyes swivel in the opposite direction.
Fair enough- sack liars....
By the next election, the Parliamentary Labour Party will become as unrecognisable as the current member-driven party has become to that which we have known for decades. "Traditional", voted-for-them-all-my-life Labour is dying by the day.
https://twitter.com/fleetstreetfox/status/1038006125721993216
Some countries will survive because their democratic institutions are strong enough. Other countries will succomb to violent revolutions as their people demand something that cannot be delivered. Populists will thrive because it's easier to blame someone else than to say "hey, our education system hasn't worked, and our fertility rate has been too low, and you know we need to really think about how we deal with ever greater numbers of 85 year olds."
My dear old dad (RIP) used to always go on about the common sense of the British Electorate. I hope he uses his influence upstairs to get the message down here to tell moderate people to wake up before we find ourselves sleepwalking into some kind of 1930s nightmare
but the other political parties have stood by and let him claim the space that concerns voters
have you seen the LD or Conservative plan for any of the above ? No me neither.
Some posters here have little sense of perspective.
Labour (or the Tories for that matter) can only be an effective party, if the membership & the Parliamentary Party are reasonably aligned.
This doesn’t mean “mass deselections”, but it does mean that MPs like Joan Ryan (who in any case will be over 67 by the next election, and has had a long innings) should make way for someone younger and more representative. I really don’t think that is unreasonable.
Isaac Barrow resigned the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics at Cambridge so that his younger and more able protege could hold it. It's intergenerational fairness. Joan should go on those grounds alone, to make the age distribution of Labour MPs more representative.
She should do a Barrow.
Last time I looked, Labour was the oldest party, as judged by its MPs. Yet its voting base is dominated by the young.
They'd need money, but I hear that there's £50Million going begging. They'd need an electoral agreement with the LibDems. They'd need to support PR so that the realignment can be completed after the next election.
Or they could be picked off one at a time.
Too many Remainers are still in that mindset.
With repect to ageing populations Im never sure if thats a blessing in disguise. If AI is going to replace latge chunks of work then having a shrinking population might be a better place.
Of course we have to get there first
It isn't the length of the podcasts that matters, it's the fact that they are podcasts. To strike a spark here they really, really need to be videos.
Perhaps have a separate thread for each, starting with the most timely one ?
(There must be something else going on.)
Then again, as Joan Ryan said this morning, Labour have spent the summer arguing loudly about their right to be racist, as opposed to anything that might interest the wider voting public.
We get the politicians we deserve sometimes.
"Telling quote from the former chief accounting officer of $TSLA. “Since I joined Tesla on August 6th, the level of public attention placed on the company, as well as the pace within the company, have exceeded my expectations. As a result, this caused me to reconsider my future.”"
If the answer is yes - while reserving the right to oppose any non-confidence issue that they consider too extreme - then I think virtually ALL of them will get reselected. If the answer is no, then with the best will in the world they cannot sensibly stand as Labour candidates: people who vote Labour are entitled to think they are helping elect a Labour government. What they do instead - form a new party, defect to serve under Vince or Theresa or Rees-Mogg or Boris, stand as independents, or retire is a separate issue and entirely a matter for them. Their decision should be respected and not abused, but it needs to be made.
Looks like Laurie Penny has an equally objectionable sibling
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ycPr5-27vSI
We have to live with the consequences of the Brexit referendum and I accept that we will leave the EU. That will not stop people from calling Leavers to account, and particularly the politicians for the mess they have created. I will continue to call for rejoining which I believe may take 20 years. I accept you may not like that and take a different view, but there we are
This Press TV incident is truly disturbing - my foreboding level has gone up a notch.
I think, as intergenerational fairness is increasingly an important political theme, it will become increasingly important to get a better age balance.
It is bad for democracy that the MPs are so old, and particularly bad for the Labour Party as the young vote is skewed in their direction.
Very roughly, I think the centre of gravity of the Parliamentary Party should be at the centre of gravity of the Membership, accepting that both are broad churches.
I see no reason to mourn the loss of Joan Ryan, who in any case is a disreputable person (remember, the expenses scandal, and her reactions to it).
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1037803387163734017
Some people seem to think he has a brain the size of a planet. That might be true, but he apparently doesn't seem to realise that what is *legal* might not be *wise*, especially when you're a multi-billionaire with loads of debts.
TBH there's no right or wrong in this: it's a straight, old-fashioned power struggle, not a morality test. At the moment the extremists are winning hands-down, so the decision sensible Labour supporters and MPs have to take is whether to hang in there and hope something turns up, or take the massive gamble (and emotional wrench) or joining or setting up an alternative party, which is likely to fail as a strategy. Most will simply drift off in disillusion, I expect.
We'll see.
The moderate frog is very nearly boiled. It can still leap out of the far left madness. Or it can stay, give its moral cowardice and feeble inaction the fig leaf label of 'loyalty' and consign the moderate left to the dustbin of history.
At what point do the moderates say enough is enough? If not now, when? Is loyalty to a red rosette worth tolerating this, worth endorsing this?
https://www.barbican.org.uk/whats-on/2018/event/die-stadt-ohne-juden-pg
If/when Corbyn becomes PM, I predict he will not do as much damage to our country as Blair.
In fact, I expect Corbyn with a constraining small majority won’t do much damage at all, and he will probably carry out a modest amount of good.
I don’t have high expectations for a Corbyn PM, but to describe him as “a threat to the country” is just raving.
Again, I don't expect you to notice any of these things because you are probably neither black, nor a Jew, nor a member of a particularly put upon minority (and no I don't include the Welsh as one such) but its prospect is there nevertheless.
Boris being an oaf (repeating, incidentally, a joke made by a Muslim woman in the Guardian) is not on a par with having Iran's state media livestream the deselection of an MP for not believing in the cult leader enough.
The lack of reporting, to either the potential victims or the police, threats of violence is also very worrying. "But Brexit!" isn't an argument to justify the very dark place of the Labour leadership, or the party generally.
Direct from the mouth of McDonnell
https://twitter.com/NorthWestFOI/status/1038032312821317632
Einstein’s views of what should happen in Palestine (which are very thoroughly documented) are close to Corbyn’s views.
Einstein specifically compared the actions of some right-wing Israeli terror groups to the Nazis.
Your views on the Welsh are characteristically offensive. This is a country that is the poorest in Western Europe. Why is this?
By what right do you set yourself up as a spokesman for the oppressed, and an arbiter of who is oppressed or not ? Let the oppressed speak for themselves.
They certainly don’t need a monied, slandering Tory to speak false words on their behalf.
The only positive I can see is that the UK has become such a mess to the outside world that the EC no longer worries about any other country following the UK. As such it seems to be moving from punishment to damage limitation.
I wonder if perhaps some of these very monied people shrieking about “threats to the country" are more worried about threats to their share portfolios.