I don’t think either side wants to do less business.
But that is "the will of the people"
The will of the people was to leave the EU.
...and about twenty others things as well according to many ardent Leavers.
They know the mind of the electorate by some strange kind of nationalistic voodoo that was inherited from the Celts... or the Danes...or the Saxons, or the Spanish, or some other immigrant/invader population
Meanwhile Raab says we need to be true to our commitment to the Northern Ireland backstop and he hopes it won't ever come into effect but if it does it should be for a "very finite short period".
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
Meanwhile Raab says we need to be true to our commitment to the Northern Ireland backstop and he hopes it won't ever come into effect but if it does it should be for a "very finite short period".
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
It'd become democratically essential when a party was elected with a commitment to hold a new referendum.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
Cameron had to win a GE before we had a chance of the EU referendum so I would say a political party would have to do the same for a second referendum
comments were being allowed but the Guardian mod is closing them any minute... the reaction best summed up by one cultist
olly potts 7m ago
Blown out of all proportion. We enlighted people know what this is really about. And most of us know coybrn has not got a racist bone in his body.
My favourite comment on another CIF thread was from a Corbynite which said roughly
‘Corbyn and his supporters don’t have a racist bone in their body that’s why we know the Jews are behind the smears against Corbyn’
My favourite was the one who phoned Ian Dale, and explained that no one in the Labour Party hated Jews, but they all hated Zionists; that Zionists controlled most Western governments and the banks; that the creation of the State of Israel was the worst crime ever committed against humanity.
Macron 20% - En Mache Lepen 17% - Rassemblement Nationale Sarkozy's lot 15 % - La droite Republicaine french corbynites 14 % - La France Insoumise socialistes - 6 %
I imagine Macron will run again in 2022 if he wants to and Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate again. Vauquiez will presumably run for Les Republicians but I've no idea who will run for the Left (doubt it will be Hamon or Melanchon).
comments were being allowed but the Guardian mod is closing them any minute... the reaction best summed up by one cultist
olly potts 7m ago
Blown out of all proportion. We enlighted people know what this is really about. And most of us know coybrn has not got a racist bone in his body.
My favourite comment on another CIF thread was from a Corbynite which said roughly
‘Corbyn and his supporters don’t have a racist bone in their body that’s why we know the Jews are behind the smears against Corbyn’
My favourite was the one who phoned Ian Dale, and explained that no one in the Labour Party hated Jews, but they all hated Zionists; that Zionists controlled most Western governments and the banks; that the creation of the State of Israel was the worst crime ever committed against humanity.
The new improved Labour Party, now with added nuts.
Macron 20% - En Mache Lepen 17% - Rassemblement Nationale Sarkozy's lot 15 % - La droite Republicaine french corbynites 14 % - La France Insoumise socialistes - 6 %
I imagine Macron will run again in 2022 if he wants to and Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate again. Vauquiez will presumably run for Les Republicians but I've no idea who will run for the Left (doubt it will be Hamon or Melanchon).
I thought there was talk of the FN going with the younger Le Pen, that is far less tainted with dodgy connections?
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
It'd become democratically essential when a party was elected with a commitment to hold a new referendum.
Macron 20% - En Mache Lepen 17% - Rassemblement Nationale Sarkozy's lot 15 % - La droite Republicaine french corbynites 14 % - La France Insoumise socialistes - 6 %
I imagine Macron will run again in 2022 if he wants to and Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate again. Vauquiez will presumably run for Les Republicians but I've no idea who will run for the Left (doubt it will be Hamon or Melanchon).
I thought there was talk of the FN going with the younger Le Pen, that is far less tainted with dodgy connections?
comments were being allowed but the Guardian mod is closing them any minute... the reaction best summed up by one cultist
olly potts 7m ago
Blown out of all proportion. We enlighted people know what this is really about. And most of us know coybrn has not got a racist bone in his body.
My favourite comment on another CIF thread was from a Corbynite which said roughly
‘Corbyn and his supporters don’t have a racist bone in their body that’s why we know the Jews are behind the smears against Corbyn’
My favourite was the one who phoned Ian Dale, and explained that no one in the Labour Party hated Jews, but they all hated Zionists; that Zionists controlled most Western governments and the banks; that the creation of the State of Israel was the worst crime ever committed against humanity.
I always ‘liked’ the comment that said the holocaust was almost certainly faked but if it happened well The Jews deserved it.
Macron 20% - En Mache Lepen 17% - Rassemblement Nationale Sarkozy's lot 15 % - La droite Republicaine french corbynites 14 % - La France Insoumise socialistes - 6 %
I imagine Macron will run again in 2022 if he wants to and Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate again. Vauquiez will presumably run for Les Republicians but I've no idea who will run for the Left (doubt it will be Hamon or Melanchon).
I put the chances of a second round vote Macron vs Melenchon as 20%
Lepen has stalled but Melenchon is still gaining votes. The PS looks as if its had it. If it does get to Macron v Melenchon that could be a tight second round
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
Meanwhile Raab says we need to be true to our commitment to the Northern Ireland backstop and he hopes it won't ever come into effect but if it does it should be for a "very finite short period".
Macron 20% - En Mache Lepen 17% - Rassemblement Nationale Sarkozy's lot 15 % - La droite Republicaine french corbynites 14 % - La France Insoumise socialistes - 6 %
I imagine Macron will run again in 2022 if he wants to and Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate again. Vauquiez will presumably run for Les Republicians but I've no idea who will run for the Left (doubt it will be Hamon or Melanchon).
I put the chances of a second round vote Macron vs Melenchon as 20%
Lepen has stalled but Melenchon is still gaining votes. The PS looks as if its had it. If it does get to Macron v Melenchon that could be a tight second round
Macron v Melenchon would in many ways resemble Thatcher v Foot. A far-left Eurosceptic ideologue versus a divisive, high-octane reformer.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
comments were being allowed but the Guardian mod is closing them any minute... the reaction best summed up by one cultist
olly potts 7m ago
Blown out of all proportion. We enlighted people know what this is really about. And most of us know coybrn has not got a racist bone in his body.
My favourite comment on another CIF thread was from a Corbynite which said roughly
‘Corbyn and his supporters don’t have a racist bone in their body that’s why we know the Jews are behind the smears against Corbyn’
My favourite was the one who phoned Ian Dale, and explained that no one in the Labour Party hated Jews, but they all hated Zionists; that Zionists controlled most Western governments and the banks; that the creation of the State of Israel was the worst crime ever committed against humanity.
I always ‘liked’ the comment that said the holocaust was almost certainly faked but if it happened well The Jews deserved it.
What is it about Jews that drives people mad?
Paul Johnson was impressed by an article in an Egyptian paper which argued that the holocaust was a myth, but if it happened, it was carried out with the assistance of Zionists, and was in any case, a good thing.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
Macron 20% - En Mache Lepen 17% - Rassemblement Nationale Sarkozy's lot 15 % - La droite Republicaine french corbynites 14 % - La France Insoumise socialistes - 6 %
I imagine Macron will run again in 2022 if he wants to and Marine Le Pen will be the FN candidate again. Vauquiez will presumably run for Les Republicians but I've no idea who will run for the Left (doubt it will be Hamon or Melanchon).
I put the chances of a second round vote Macron vs Melenchon as 20%
Lepen has stalled but Melenchon is still gaining votes. The PS looks as if its had it. If it does get to Macron v Melenchon that could be a tight second round
Macron v Melenchon would in many ways resemble Thatcher v Foot. A far-left Eurosceptic ideologue versus a divisive, high-octane reformer.
could do, but Lepen in a run off has too many people on the Left who wont vote for her. Whereas chunks of the old FN are in poor WC communities which used to be very red. I think its easier for an extreme left wing candidate to take on Macron than an extreme right wing one.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
Meanwhile Raab says we need to be true to our commitment to the Northern Ireland backstop and he hopes it won't ever come into effect but if it does it should be for a "very finite short period".
I'm glad a UK politician finally seems to understand the meaning of the term "backstop".
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
They were official Russian passports - but the police believe the identities are false.....how do you get a genuine Russian passport under a false identity?
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
I'd be somewhat surprised if secret agents travelled under their real names. I mean most of us on here don't use our real names.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
They’ve taken on plenty of basket cases before. Might be the best outcome: UK crashes its economy and becomes 100% Objective One territory and lives high on the euromonies hog for years to come!
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
They were official Russian passports - but the police believe the identities are false.....how do you get a genuine Russian passport under a false identity?
It is clear from the response from day one the UK has intelligence about how this came about, but it is not for us plebs to know. The response has been one which no western government would make without being certain, there was no wishywashy language, it was fingers pointed right at Putin.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
They were official Russian passports - but the police believe the identities are false.....how do you get a genuine Russian passport under a false identity?
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
I still have contacts in Germany.
you can get a really big office in Chemnitz
Ditto. I would rather eat pineapple pizza, well-done stake and be spit roasted by Mark Reckless and Nigel Farage than leave this wonderful country to the swivel-eyed loons
Interesting change in Democrats method for electing their candidate for POTUS. Apparently super delegates will only be able to pledge their vote to a candidate, if no candidate got a majority from the pledged delegates.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
I still have contacts in Germany.
you can get a really big office in Chemnitz
Cheers, I will need a lot of living space in Germany, these chaps sound like the people to ask about that.
Loving how the Corbynites are so keen on due process now .... that's why they wanted to send the novichok to the russians to check if it was them.
If I wasn't such a peaceful person I'd rather hope that someone would send the novichok not to the Russian but to Jeremy Corbyn and the whole leadership of the Momentum Party
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
I still have contacts in Germany.
you can get a really big office in Chemnitz
Cheers, I will need a lot of living space in Germany, these chaps sound like the people to ask about that.
they dont get hung up on borders, they have a very flexible approach,
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
I still have contacts in Germany.
you can get a really big office in Chemnitz
Cheers, I will need a lot of living space in Germany, these chaps sound like the people to ask about that.
Be careful if they should offer you special treatment.
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
I'd be somewhat surprised if secret agents travelled under their real names. I mean most of us on here don't use our real names.
One of them should have used the name Edmund Dorf.
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
I'd be somewhat surprised if secret agents travelled under their real names. I mean most of us on here don't use our real names.
So we should look for secret agents among the ranks of the anonymous posters on pb? A daring suggestion.
if it was genuinely 59% and maintained that level, when would a second referendum become irresistible. Any Leave advocates/fans prepared to give a view?
I think Labour would be more likely to shift their stance. But it isn't at 59%, so a bit of a moot point.
and at what point would the opinion polls need to get to before it was democratically essential to have another referendum do you think? (theoretically at least?)
We won’t have a another referendum.
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
that would be "brave"
Why do you hate democracy and the will of the people ?
I dont. I simply point out we now have a precedent in a referendum and it would be a brave government which ignored it.
It would be in the context of Brexit being a long term disaster.
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
Why would 27 EU countries want to take on a basket case then ?
As an example and history repeating.
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
riiight
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
I shall still be British. My heart will still beat and ache for this country.
You do realise Mrs Merkel is trying to make it easier for brits to become a german citizens
von Adler has a certain ring to it
I will never take up citizenship of another country.
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
I still have contacts in Germany.
you can get a really big office in Chemnitz
Cheers, I will need a lot of living space in Germany, these chaps sound like the people to ask about that.
Living space is not a term best used in Germany. Come to think of it, maybe that is why Ken Livingstone likes Hitler so much, he would be Ken Lebensraum (well almost)
now it appears the germans are saying they havent moved on Brexit
currency boys confused
Officially no one will "move" - you won't be able to see any movement for the fudge......the possible news today is that the fudge may be more German than Belgian....
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
I'd be somewhat surprised if secret agents travelled under their real names. I mean most of us on here don't use our real names.
So we should look for secret agents among the ranks of the anonymous posters on pb? A daring suggestion.
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
They were official Russian passports - but the police believe the identities are false.....how do you get a genuine Russian passport under a false identity?
Thanks for the clarification. I imagine our intelligence agencies , would know their real identities if they are russian intelligence.
Regarding their passports must have been undertaken by a Russian agency.
I suspect our agencies would not know they were false , until after the event ?
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
I'd be somewhat surprised if secret agents travelled under their real names. I mean most of us on here don't use our real names.
So we should look for secret agents among the ranks of the anonymous posters on pb? A daring suggestion.
Raab not taking any rubbish from the committee.....(and he's had a fair bit...)
To drink?
Some of the committee might have......more interested in grandstanding "how can you support this fraudulent vote? Can you guarantee none of Britain's 1 million diabetics will die?" than asking actual questions.....
And on a further disappointing note, Tesco is shutting its wine by the case business. It had a decent selection which, because nobody bought them, they inevitably discounted heavily eventually.
Some cracking Rully on there still at a great price.
now it appears the germans are saying they havent moved on Brexit
currency boys confused
Officially no one will "move" - you won't be able to see any movement for the fudge......the possible news today is that the fudge may be more German than Belgian....
well you can read it lots of ways, Did the germans break the omerta and then backtrack ? Did reuters get too far ahead of themselves ? Any way the pieces are moving.
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
They were official Russian passports - but the police believe the identities are false.....how do you get a genuine Russian passport under a false identity?
I suspect our agencies would not know they were false , until after the event ?
They were back in Moscow before it was clear it was a nerve agent...
Raab not taking any rubbish from the committee.....(and he's had a fair bit...)
To drink?
Some of the committee might have......more interested in grandstanding "how can you support this fraudulent vote? Can you guarantee none of Britain's 1 million diabetics will die?" than asking actual questions.....
You'd think Theresa May might just have an issue if any of Britain's 1 million diabetics will die....
Do the authorities in the UK know the real names of the Russians who carried out the attack ? I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
I'd be somewhat surprised if secret agents travelled under their real names. I mean most of us on here don't use our real names.
So we should look for secret agents among the ranks of the anonymous posters on pb? A daring suggestion.
Is it time to consider how many possible outcomes there are over Brexit for, say, a year from now, and what the relative likelihoods are? I can think of these:
No WA, crash out, and obviously going badly No WA but going better than most thought No WA because we have somehow switched to remain No WA because the date of 29 March has been changed WA and transition till 2020, and a blind or fudged Brexit WA etc but some new associate status WA and Chequers WA and amended Chequers WA and Swiss deal WA and Norway deal WA and Canada (+ as many plusses as you want) WA and a unique, bespoke cake like deal (call it a 'Boris') WA and WTO WA and reapply to join during transition.
Apart from a new ice age, WW3 and being hit by a meteorite how many other possibles are there? And can we reckon on the chances?
Raab not taking any rubbish from the committee.....(and he's had a fair bit...)
To drink?
Some of the committee might have......more interested in grandstanding "how can you support this fraudulent vote? Can you guarantee none of Britain's 1 million diabetics will die?" than asking actual questions.....
You'd think Theresa May might just have an issue if any of Britain's 1 million diabetics will die....
Select committees have just become laughable - did Cummings ever appear before DCMS ?
Is it time to consider how many possible outcomes there are over Brexit for, say, a year from now, and what the relative likelihoods are? I can think of these:
No WA, crash out, and obviously going badly No WA but going better than most thought No WA because we have somehow switched to remain No WA because the date of 29 March has been changed WA and transition till 2020, and a blind or fudged Brexit WA etc but some new associate status WA and Chequers WA and amended Chequers WA and Swiss deal WA and Norway deal WA and Canada (+ as many plusses as you want) WA and a unique, bespoke cake like deal (call it a 'Boris') WA and WTO WA and reapply to join during transition.
Apart from a new ice age, WW3 and being hit by a meteorite how many other possibles are there? And can we reckon on the chances?
Comments
They know the mind of the electorate by some strange kind of nationalistic voodoo that was inherited from the Celts... or the Danes...or the Saxons, or the Spanish, or some other immigrant/invader population
Hurrah.
https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/1037312489984335874
The Chinese firm said too many had been stolen, dumped in canals and bins, had locks hacked off or been set on fire.
Manchester has become the only city among 200 worldwide to lose the service because of persistent crime.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-45422065
SAD...
It's called real votes.
What is it about Jews that drives people mad?
Lepen has stalled but Melenchon is still gaining votes. The PS looks as if its had it. If it does get to Macron v Melenchon that could be a tight second round
If we Rejoin it’ll be via a manifesto commitment to Rejoin.
A Sovereign Parliament and all that jazz.
Say it ain’t so.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1037356417836113925
Edit: Mobikes not Mancs
We wouldn’t have time to fanny about with another referendum.
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1037315948502568961
Edit - and from today, not last Monday....
Plus as part of our ascension terms they’d ask us for a 999 year deal and if we wanted to Leave early our exit bill would be 10 trillion pounds and us to exit on WTO.
I believe , I heard that the documents they were traveling on were false.
on the other hand when youre resident in Frankfurt none of this will concern you
This is what Parliament would look like if only 18-24 year olds had the vote.
von Adler has a certain ring to it
hard brexit a disaster for german fishing industry
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/brexit-laesst-deutsche-fischer-um-hering-und-makrele-bangen-15773049.html
I’d sooner eat pineapple on pizza say nice things about Mark Reckless.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1037358486546472960
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1037358898880098305
you can get a really big office in Chemnitz
That said these days when I speak French I end up sounding like Officer Crabtree.
currency boys confused
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/05/frank-field-resigned-labour-party-rules-disputes-panel
Who the fuck bothers creating this shit?
I want to see one where only Official Monster Raving Loony Party members are allowed to vote......
As for the Russians that is almost unbelievably bad tradecraft.
I imagine our intelligence agencies , would know their real identities if they are russian intelligence.
Regarding their passports must have been undertaken by a Russian agency.
I suspect our agencies would not know they were false , until after the event ?
Some cracking Rully on there still at a great price.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1037368440401608709
#CantGetTheStaffTheseDays
Buy popcorn futures.....
Priorities.....
I can think of these:
No WA, crash out, and obviously going badly
No WA but going better than most thought
No WA because we have somehow switched to remain
No WA because the date of 29 March has been changed
WA and transition till 2020, and a blind or fudged Brexit
WA etc but some new associate status
WA and Chequers
WA and amended Chequers
WA and Swiss deal
WA and Norway deal
WA and Canada (+ as many plusses as you want)
WA and a unique, bespoke cake like deal (call it a 'Boris')
WA and WTO
WA and reapply to join during transition.
Apart from a new ice age, WW3 and being hit by a meteorite how many other possibles are there? And can we reckon on the chances?
Season one was great, season two terrible.