McDonnell confirms Labour policy is not to have a second EU referendum and would instead call for a general election first to judge any Deal or no Deal with the EU
So Labour will vote against any Brexit deal, in the hope that this will force a general election, where Labour will win a majority, and then be able to implement - er, what, exactly on Brexit?
BINO, with some kind of Cameron-esque Free Movement face-saver, and they'll pretend it's transitional. They'd blame the Tories for not leaving enough time to do anything else, which would have the virtue of being true.
I guess the SNP would vote for this too if he needs them; It removes most of the short-term practical downsides of Brexit for Scottish voters, but also gives them an upside for independence, because an independent Scotland could join the EU and get their influence back.
Why would an independent Scotland get its influence back in the EU, it would have gone Brexit
And a giant compared to Malta, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Estonia, etc...
If the UK had a federal structure like the EU, Scotland's Remain vote would have constituted a veto on Brexit.
Not Luxembourg which currently has the EU Commission President and ECJ.
Given Qualified Majority voting on most Council of Minister decisions Scotland would have few if any vetoes on anything, especially with votes allocated based on population even with weighting
Ireland has twice held the position occupied by the current Eurosceptic bête noire Martin Selmayr. A country like Scotland wouldn't struggle for influence, especially if it were the closest member state to a large non-EU economy...
Scotland would be about 1.25% of the EU. It would get told what to do and like it. Just like Ireland is going to be when they are out of the Brexit limelight. (Watch that low corporate tax rate come into the Commission’s sights).
Now all of that may, or may not deter the Scots from independence or EU membership, that’s up to them. But given many of us as a bloc of 65m thought we had bugger all influence I find the notion of 5M in Scotland having some as faintly ridiculous.
LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.
Scottish MPs make up 10% of the House of Commons, Scottish MEPs make up 1% of the European Parliament and Scotland has had fewer EU Commissioners than UK Cabinet Ministers.
McDonnell confirms Labour policy is not to have a second EU referendum and would instead call for a general election first to judge any Deal or no Deal with the EU
So Labour will vote against any Brexit deal, in the hope that this will force a general election, where Labour will win a majority, and then be able to implement - er, what, exactly on Brexit?
BINO, with some kind of Cameron-esque Free Movement face-saver, and they'll pretend it's transitional. They'd blame the Tories for not leaving enough time to do anything else, which would have the virtue of being true.
I guess the SNP would vote for this too if he needs them; It removes most of the short-term practical downsides of Brexit for Scottish voters, but also gives them an upside for independence, because an independent Scotland could join the EU and get their influence back.
Why would an independent Scotland get its influence back in the EU, it would have gone from being one of 4 nations in the UK to one of 27 in the EU and a minnow at that compared to the likes of France and Germany and Italy and Spain and Poland.
Indeed Chequers Deal terms Brexit probably reduces the chances of Scottish independence a little as it avoids hard Brexit
And a giant compared to Malta, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Estonia, etc...
If the UK had a federal structure like the EU, Scotland's Remain vote would have constituted a veto on Brexit.
Not Luxembourg which currently has the EU Commission President and ECJ.
Given Qualified Majority voting on most Council of Minister decisions Scotland would have few if any vetoes on anything, especially with votes allocated based on population even with weighting
Ireland has twice held the position occupied by the current Eurosceptic bête noire Martin Selmayr. A country like Scotland wouldn't struggle for influence, especially if it were the closest member state to a large non-EU economy...
LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.
Scotland would have 7 votes out of a total of 330 (based on deducting the UK's 29 votes, and adding the Jocks at the same level as the Irish, Finnish etc, which is about right). It would all be rejigged when the next batch of candidate countries accede.
Not really. A deal not given to any other country just means a bespoke deal. Obviously that's always been on the table or we wouldn't have been trying to negotiate one for two years. But the red lines remain
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The Mercedes won’t have the tyres to challenge for long though.
I'd be very surprised to see a Scottish Labour pm again. Even a Tory one is stretching it..
Fair’s fair, though. Who’d want to claim the great clunker ?
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