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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018

    HYUFD said:

    welshowl said:


    Not as much of course. But you just had a vote and decided to keep the status quo.

    The paradoxical battle cry of Brexityoonery: as an independent country in the EU you'd be told what to do and like it, stay in the UK to be told even more what to do & we won't give a fuck whether you like it.

    We (the Scots) had an even more recent vote on retaining EU membership, something that previously we were assured would be secured by voting No.
    Scotland is just under 10% of the UK population with its own Parliament and about 10% of the Westminster Parliament MPs are Scottish, Scotland would be just 1% of the EU population with just 1% of European Parliament seats etc and would be easily overruled on Council of Ministers population determined qualified majority voting.

    Scotland voted 63% for Unionist parties at GE17 after the Brexit vote
    Yeah, bloody EU outvoting us on going to war, welfare policy, foreign policy, fiscal policy, defence, broadcasting, trade and industry, renewables, nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity, the constitution and immigration.

    What's that you say, we'd be allowed to make almost all our own decisions on those? Well I never.
    Most UK law comes from the EU now, it would be the same for an independent Scotland
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Why are we bowling a half fit Ben Stokes?

    Because Root has no imagination and sticks rigidly to what he knows?
  • ydoethur said:

    Why are we bowling a half fit Ben Stokes?

    Because Root has no imagination and sticks rigidly to what he knows?
    We have Sam Curran who is full of confidence and a different angle and of course Rashid who I am not sure why we are picking if we aren't ever going to bowl him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,752
    edited September 2018
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:


    This is true, but at that point he's got 5 years to play with, and they'd also lynch him for doing Hard Brexit and exploding the economy, so there's no winning with those guys anyhow.

    And if he got lucky the opposition would split itself between UKIP and Con, or even better 3 different UKIPs and Con.

    Far from it, in opposition without the responsibilities of power the Tories would be free to go full on pro hard Brexit with Boris or Mogg as Leader of the Opposition and unify the UKIP vote behind the Conservatives.

    Meanwhile PM 'cave in' Corbyn as he would soon be known by Boris would be quickly on the ropes trying to push through his unaffordable promises while being pushed around by the EU in BINO
    This is after the Tories have tried to do Brexit, sold these people out and voted their own government down, so it's probably not safe to assume a wonderfully popular united opposition. Also the Jacob Rees-Mogg Working Class Hero strategy may not work out as well as you're hoping. But we're several hypotheticals deep at this point, so who knows.
    The Tory PM will have tried to push through a Chequers Deal but there is no doubt most Tory voters are strong Leavers and would rally behind a Mogg or Boris leadership, as would a good deal of working class voters who are also strong Leavers. Boris as he showed in the London Mayoral elections and the referendum has strong appeal to skilled working class C2 voters in particular
    2001 election - https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2001

    AB:
    Con: 39
    Lab: 30

    C1:
    Con: 36
    Lab: 38

    C2:
    Con: 29
    Lab: 49

    DE:
    Con: 24
    Lab: 55
  • Magnificant speech by Gordon Brown urging he Labour Party to adopt the full definition of anti-semitism and to do it immediately and without question.

    Being shown live on Sky News.

    Hell will freeze over before they will do that.
    Ironically, Labour adopted the IHRA definition, or most of it anyway, before the Conservative Party.
    "most of it" can cover a multitude of sins.

    It's amazing how easily Labour and Corbyn could have stopped this story months ago by doing the right thing. Yet they have sunk deeper into the cess by avoiding doing the right thing.
    Indeed but it is worth pointing out from time to time that the blue team did nothing at all until prompted by Labour's flounderings.
    Frankly, there was little need to as they weren't led by an anti-Semitic leader with loads of anti-Semitic followers. But I'm glad they've done so.

    Why haven't Labour?
    This is where we came in. Labour adopted it. The Conservatives did not. Later, it transpired Labour had modified a couple of the examples that come with it. This proved, to say the least, controversial. But only after the rows started did the Conservatives adopt it at all.
  • Foxy said:

    Hilariously fake!

    Did Theresa loan Jezza some notepaper? or is it simply a letterhead posted on an Excel spreadsheet?

    https://twitter.com/aftkiloalpha/status/1036202851423477761?s=19

    RedRoar is not a Labour site.
    https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1036217336859172864?s=21
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    edited September 2018

    ydoethur said:

    Why are we bowling a half fit Ben Stokes?

    Because Root has no imagination and sticks rigidly to what he knows?
    We have Sam Curran who is full of confidence and a different angle and of course Rashid who I am not sure why we are picking if we aren't ever going to bowl him.
    You try your seamers first - and looking at the wicket taking ball which kept low, that’s hardly wrong. Stokes troubled Rahane, but I suspect he won’t be kept on long.
    Some overs from Curran to give Rashid footmarks to bowl into would be sensible.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631

    Magnificant speech by Gordon Brown urging he Labour Party to adopt the full definition of anti-semitism and to do it immediately and without question.

    Being shown live on Sky News.

    Hell will freeze over before they will do that.
    Ironically, Labour adopted the IHRA definition, or most of it anyway, before the Conservative Party.
    "most of it" can cover a multitude of sins.

    It's amazing how easily Labour and Corbyn could have stopped this story months ago by doing the right thing. Yet they have sunk deeper into the cess by avoiding doing the right thing.
    If he’d adopted the definition going forward, and said that maybe some of us in the past were careless with our language when judged by modern standards, the issue would have mostly have been put to bed.

    What we now have instead, is a bunch of hardcore Corbyn supporters, some of them party members, who have clearly shown themselves to be racist - and Corbyn completely impotent to do anything about it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    Foxy said:

    Hilariously fake!

    Did Theresa loan Jezza some notepaper? or is it simply a letterhead posted on an Excel spreadsheet?

    https://twitter.com/aftkiloalpha/status/1036202851423477761?s=19

    RedRoar is not a Labour site.
    https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1036217336859172864?s=21
    The document looks fake.

    Is hodges trying to defend its accuracy?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Magnificant speech by Gordon Brown urging he Labour Party to adopt the full definition of anti-semitism and to do it immediately and without question.

    Being shown live on Sky News.

    Hell will freeze over before they will do that.
    Ironically, Labour adopted the IHRA definition, or most of it anyway, before the Conservative Party.
    "most of it" can cover a multitude of sins.

    It's amazing how easily Labour and Corbyn could have stopped this story months ago by doing the right thing. Yet they have sunk deeper into the cess by avoiding doing the right thing.
    Indeed but it is worth pointing out from time to time that the blue team did nothing at all until prompted by Labour's flounderings.
    Frankly, there was little need to as they weren't led by an anti-Semitic leader with loads of anti-Semitic followers. But I'm glad they've done so.

    Why haven't Labour?
    This is where we came in. Labour adopted it. The Conservatives did not. Later, it transpired Labour had modified a couple of the examples that come with it. This proved, to say the least, controversial. But only after the rows started did the Conservatives adopt it at all.
    Although that may have been an oversight given the slightly strange circumstances. What appears to have happened is that May ordered its adoption, but because of the context in which she gave the order it was adopted by the government not the governing party.

    It would if that is indeed what happened have been a silly oversight, especially given the length of time it took them to notice it, but it's not impossible that May was telling what she believed to be the truth.
  • Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why are we bowling a half fit Ben Stokes?

    Because Root has no imagination and sticks rigidly to what he knows?
    We have Sam Curran who is full of confidence and a different angle and of course Rashid who I am not sure why we are picking if we aren't ever going to bowl him.
    You try your seamers first - and looking at the wicket taking ball which kept low, that’s hardly wrong. Stokes troubled Rahane, but I suspect he won’t be kept on long.
    Some overs from Curran to give Rashid footmarks to bowl into would be sensible.
    That's a very "traditional" view ;-) . India were happy to go with a spinner with the new ball.

    I would have bowled Curran before a half fit Stokes, who is 5-10 mph down on his usual speed.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    edited September 2018

    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.

    Only goes to show that DRS is not infallible.

    A few years ago England had it the other way round, when someone was given out caught off Broad despite no snicko or hotspot. The telly umpire thought he heard clear audio, and he probably did - as the bat hit the ground...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

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    The chance of no specific deal at all being able to pass the Commons gets higher every day.

    The question is will Labour take it to the point of actually leaving with no deal, given that very few of them want that outcome and they could end up with a fair amount of the blame?
    If May has a deal with the EU, but Labour works with Mogg to bring it down (for its own naked ambition to bring the Govt. down then win an election) - then Labour will own No Deal Brexit.....
    No, Brexit will be owned by the Tories whatever the outcome; that die is already cast.
    The British people voted for Brexit against the advice of the Tory PM at the time, May is trying to get a reasonable Deal that respects the Brexit vote, if Corbyn forces No Deal and in a general election where voters decide whether they want Boris or Corbyn to lead No Deal Brexit Britain Boris may then win
    In that scenario I agree with you. Indeed it would be who do you want to run the Country, not just Brexit

    Though I do not see it happening
    It would only happen if Corbyn and the ERG voted down a Deal and May was forced to resign as PM and replaced by Boris as Tory leader and a general election shortly followed
    I am sure we can both agree that is very unlikely
    That depends on Corbyn
    I respectfully suggest it depends on a lot more than Corbyn
    With Labour votes and Tory loyalist and DUP votes May can get a Deal with the EU through Parliament even if the ERG vote against, if Labour votes against a Deal though then combined with ERG votes against May will find it difficult to get a Deal through the Commons
    You are assuming labour will vote as a block and that is not a given
    Either way, it remains the case that the government (with its DUP allies) have a majority, and if they vote together can deliver whatever they want. People wont be surprised to see the opposition parties voting against the government. If the government is defeated, the blame (or thanks, depending on the circumstances) will fall upon the rebels, and the Tories will in any event carry the can for whatever Brexit eventually inflicts, good or bad, upon us all.
  • ydoethur said:

    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.

    Only goes to show that DRS is not infallible.

    A few years ago England had it the other way round, when someone was given out caught off Broad despite no snicko or hotspot. The telly umpire thought he heard clear audio, and he probably did - as the bat hit the ground...
    I forget, is hotspot not part of DRS? Because they didn't even look at that to add evidence one way or another.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    ydoethur said:

    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.

    Only goes to show that DRS is not infallible...
    Indeed. Ask Marcus Ericsson.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,206
    edited September 2018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:


    This is true, but at that point he's got 5 years to play with, and they'd also lynch him for doing Hard Brexit and exploding the economy, so there's no winning with those guys anyhow.

    And if he got lucky the opposition would split itself between UKIP and Con, or even better 3 different UKIPs and Con.

    Far from it, in opposition without the responsibilities of power the Tories would be free to go full on pro hard Brexit with Boris or Mogg as Leader of the Opposition and unify the UKIP vote behind the Conservatives.

    Meanwhile PM 'cave in' Corbyn as he would soon be known by Boris would be quickly on the ropes trying to push through his unaffordable promises while being pushed around by the EU in BINO
    This is after the Tories have tried to do Brexit, sold these people out and voted their own government down, so it's probably not safe to assume a wonderfully popular united opposition. Also the Jacob Rees-Mogg Working Class Hero strategy may not work out as well as you're hoping. But we're several hypotheticals deep at this point, so who knows.
    The Tory PM will have tried to push through a Chequers Deal but there is no doubt most Tory voters are strong Leavers and would rally behind a Mogg or Boris leadership, as would a good deal of working class voters who are also strong Leavers. Boris as he showed in the London Mayoral elections and the referendum has strong appeal to skilled working class C2 voters in particular
    2001 election - https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2001

    AB:
    Con: 39
    Lab: 30

    C1:
    Con: 36
    Lab: 38

    C2:
    Con: 29
    Lab: 49

    DE:
    Con: 24
    Lab: 55
    Which contradicts precisely nothing I said at all.

    Blair was a totally different proposition to Corbyn and Boris is a more electorally appealing proposition than Hague. See the London 2012 Mayoral election where Boris led Livingstone 53% to 47% with C2DEs even in Labour London


    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yzgh8vz2ll/YG-Archives-EveningStandard-MayoralElection-300412.pdf
  • I assume Joel Wilson's guide dog was out doing its business during that review?
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Hilariously fake!

    Did Theresa loan Jezza some notepaper? or is it simply a letterhead posted on an Excel spreadsheet?

    https://twitter.com/aftkiloalpha/status/1036202851423477761?s=19

    RedRoar is not a Labour site.
    https://twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1036217336859172864?s=21
    The document looks fake.

    Is hodges trying to defend its accuracy?
    He’s asking a question.
  • Magnificant speech by Gordon Brown urging he Labour Party to adopt the full definition of anti-semitism and to do it immediately and without question.

    Being shown live on Sky News.

    Hell will freeze over before they will do that.
    Ironically, Labour adopted the IHRA definition, or most of it anyway, before the Conservative Party.
    "most of it" can cover a multitude of sins.

    It's amazing how easily Labour and Corbyn could have stopped this story months ago by doing the right thing. Yet they have sunk deeper into the cess by avoiding doing the right thing.
    Indeed but it is worth pointing out from time to time that the blue team did nothing at all until prompted by Labour's flounderings.
    Frankly, there was little need to as they weren't led by an anti-Semitic leader with loads of anti-Semitic followers. But I'm glad they've done so.

    Why haven't Labour?
    This is where we came in. Labour adopted it. The Conservatives did not. Later, it transpired Labour had modified a couple of the examples that come with it. This proved, to say the least, controversial. But only after the rows started did the Conservatives adopt it at all.
    Labour has an anti-Semitic leader, and lots of its Jewish MPs and others are receiving anti-Semitic abuse. Instead of pointing and saying: "Look, squirrel!", perhaps you ought to wonder why you team has not got its house in order.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749
    Wow! another revelation and this list signed by Jezza himself!

    https://twitter.com/Strontiumdog500/status/1036216495431471104?s=19
  • Brown returns to the fray:

    twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1036213459103436800

    I have no idea what he is talking about. No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party, they had an inquiry and everything.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    I assume Joel Wilson's guide dog was out doing its business during that review?

    Are you saying that his dog was taking the piss? Because from everyone else's comments I thought he was!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.

    Only goes to show that DRS is not infallible.

    A few years ago England had it the other way round, when someone was given out caught off Broad despite no snicko or hotspot. The telly umpire thought he heard clear audio, and he probably did - as the bat hit the ground...
    I forget, is hotspot not part of DRS? Because they didn't even look at that to add evidence one way or another.
    They use Snicko now. Nobody trusted hotspot very far and as Snicko is now available much more quickly (it used to take some minutes to be ready) that's the preferred technology.
  • MI5 chief summons Jeremy Corbyn for a 'facts of life' briefing on Britain's terror threat amid criticism of Labour leader's approach to national security

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123541/MI5-chief-summons-Jeremy-Corbyn-facts-life-briefing-Britains-terror-threat.html

    The word “summons” in that headline is not a good one.
  • Jeez...India lucky again.
  • Magnificant speech by Gordon Brown urging he Labour Party to adopt the full definition of anti-semitism and to do it immediately and without question.

    Being shown live on Sky News.

    Hell will freeze over before they will do that.
    Ironically, Labour adopted the IHRA definition, or most of it anyway, before the Conservative Party.
    "most of it" can cover a multitude of sins.

    It's amazing how easily Labour and Corbyn could have stopped this story months ago by doing the right thing. Yet they have sunk deeper into the cess by avoiding doing the right thing.
    Indeed but it is worth pointing out from time to time that the blue team did nothing at all until prompted by Labour's flounderings.
    Frankly, there was little need to as they weren't led by an anti-Semitic leader with loads of anti-Semitic followers. But I'm glad they've done so.

    Why haven't Labour?
    This is where we came in. Labour adopted it. The Conservatives did not. Later, it transpired Labour had modified a couple of the examples that come with it. This proved, to say the least, controversial. But only after the rows started did the Conservatives adopt it at all.
    Labour has an anti-Semitic leader, and lots of its Jewish MPs and others are receiving anti-Semitic abuse. Instead of pointing and saying: "Look, squirrel!", perhaps you ought to wonder why you team has not got its house in order.
    Not my team. I am not and nor have I ever been a member of the Labour Party. I am merely a humble seeker after truth, in order to bet on it.
  • ydoethur said:

    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.

    Only goes to show that DRS is not infallible.

    A few years ago England had it the other way round, when someone was given out caught off Broad despite no snicko or hotspot. The telly umpire thought he heard clear audio, and he probably did - as the bat hit the ground...
    I forget, is hotspot not part of DRS? Because they didn't even look at that to add evidence one way or another.
    They got rid of hotspot because

    1) It was very expensive

    2) It was easy to game, it was said put the right lotion on your bat it would negate hotspot.
  • ydoethur said:

    Wow that looked like a terrible decision from the 3rd umpire. His bat hit the pad.

    Only goes to show that DRS is not infallible.

    A few years ago England had it the other way round, when someone was given out caught off Broad despite no snicko or hotspot. The telly umpire thought he heard clear audio, and he probably did - as the bat hit the ground...
    I forget, is hotspot not part of DRS? Because they didn't even look at that to add evidence one way or another.
    DRS? That's Direct Rail Services??
  • Need Kohli out ASAP after lunch.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Jeez...India lucky again.

    Both batsmen get let offs through DRS (Kohli admittedly apparently being very fortunate).

    That is vital for India, insofar as if either had gone, they were more doomed than a Blairite MP facing a deselection meeting.
  • Need Kohli out ASAP after lunch.

    Is he still in the Big Brother house?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited September 2018

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit.
    I am just slightly wary of this one - I am not sure why this internal document would have a No10 header. I know that opposition parties are entitled to access to key civil servants - but this sort of plan would have been Labour generated.

    I may be wrong - but it doesn't quite ring true. I can well imagine such a team plan existing - just not presented in this way.

    Particularly with it saying 'Downing street' rather than 'Downing Street' on the top right of the first image
    It’s also in Excel. Ew.
    What is Ew?
  • Arguably worse, Heath sacked Powell.

    No one seems capable of removing Corbyn, and he could be in Downing Street next year.
  • Sky Sports "Super Sunday" should be done under the trade descriptions....There is nothing "super" about Cardiff vs Arsenal and Watford vs Tottenham.
  • Didn't see it but I'm assuming Marr didn't have the testicular fortitude to ask Sacks about the context that made 'The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive' acceptable?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631

    Sky Sports "Super Sunday" should be done under the trade descriptions....There is nothing "super" about Cardiff vs Arsenal and Watford vs Tottenham.

    Most Sky Sports subscribers will be watching the cricket and F1 this afternoon, that’s a terrible football lineup.
  • Sandpit said:

    Sky Sports "Super Sunday" should be done under the trade descriptions....There is nothing "super" about Cardiff vs Arsenal and Watford vs Tottenham.

    Most Sky Sports subscribers will be watching the cricket and F1 this afternoon, that’s a terrible football lineup.
    Quota fillers.
  • Didn't see it but I'm assuming Marr didn't have the testicular fortitude to ask Sacks about the context that made 'The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive' acceptable?
    Context? Iran's Ahmedinejad a few years back wanted to "erase Israel from the pages of history". That context?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692

    No need to explain BJO
    Because the document itself is fake?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    Sky Sports "Super Sunday" should be done under the trade descriptions....There is nothing "super" about Cardiff vs Arsenal and Watford vs Tottenham.

    Watford vs Spurs could be an interesting clash of two undefeated teams, as indeed could Burnley vs Man U. Can Burnley rebuild their season after their short European run.

    Cardiff vs Arsenal less so, but I note the Cardif goalkeeper does well on FF, top goalkeeper for points. Can he keep a clean sheet? They do seem tough to score against.
  • Foxy said:

    Sky Sports "Super Sunday" should be done under the trade descriptions....There is nothing "super" about Cardiff vs Arsenal and Watford vs Tottenham.

    Watford vs Spurs could be an interesting clash of two undefeated teams, as indeed could Burnley vs Man U. Can Burnley rebuild their season after their short European run.

    Cardiff vs Arsenal less so, but I note the Cardif goalkeeper does well on FF, top goalkeeper for points. Can he keep a clean sheet? They do seem tough to score against.
    I shall be watching the F1 and cricket.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692

    MI5 chief summons Jeremy Corbyn for a 'facts of life' briefing on Britain's terror threat amid criticism of Labour leader's approach to national security

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123541/MI5-chief-summons-Jeremy-Corbyn-facts-life-briefing-Britains-terror-threat.html

    NEC clash he is not going and he wasnt summoned

    FAKE NEWS
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,749

    Foxy said:

    Sky Sports "Super Sunday" should be done under the trade descriptions....There is nothing "super" about Cardiff vs Arsenal and Watford vs Tottenham.

    Watford vs Spurs could be an interesting clash of two undefeated teams, as indeed could Burnley vs Man U. Can Burnley rebuild their season after their short European run.

    Cardiff vs Arsenal less so, but I note the Cardif goalkeeper does well on FF, top goalkeeper for points. Can he keep a clean sheet? They do seem tough to score against.
    I shall be watching the F1 and cricket.
    I hope to do some sorting in the garden, harvesting my plums and blackberries, but odds on either team to not score in Cardiff look value.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692
    Foxy said:

    Wow! another revelation and this list signed by Jezza himself!

    https://twitter.com/Strontiumdog500/status/1036216495431471104?s=19

    Well precisely

    PB Tories sinking to new depths this morning
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,015
    edited September 2018

    Didn't see it but I'm assuming Marr didn't have the testicular fortitude to ask Sacks about the context that made 'The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive' acceptable?
    Context? Iran's Ahmedinejad a few years back wanted to "erase Israel from the pages of history". That context?
    Ah, the chronically stunted, childish context that the current leader of Israel should be excused making fascistic, minatory statements now because the ex president of Iran made fascistic, minatory statements over a decade ago.
    Persuasive.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    MI5 chief summons Jeremy Corbyn for a 'facts of life' briefing on Britain's terror threat amid criticism of Labour leader's approach to national security

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123541/MI5-chief-summons-Jeremy-Corbyn-facts-life-briefing-Britains-terror-threat.html

    Was to have happened Tuesday, when the new Westminster term starts. Corbyn postpones. Maybe he has his own intelligence briefing - that a number of Labour MPs are going to leave the Party that day?
  • Foxy said:

    Wow! another revelation and this list signed by Jezza himself!

    https://twitter.com/Strontiumdog500/status/1036216495431471104?s=19

    Well precisely

    PB Tories sinking to new depths this morning
    We are all PB Tories now, comrade!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Betting Post.

    Okay, here goes with the hostage to fortune. Not many exciting markets up to be honest.

    No Safety Car 1.9 £10
    Vettel to lead first lap 2.76 £10
    Ricciardo Top 6 LAY 2.1 £10
    Hamilton Podium 1.33 £20
  • MI5 chief summons Jeremy Corbyn for a 'facts of life' briefing on Britain's terror threat amid criticism of Labour leader's approach to national security

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6123541/MI5-chief-summons-Jeremy-Corbyn-facts-life-briefing-Britains-terror-threat.html

    NEC clash he is not going and he wasnt summoned

    FAKE NEWS
    Calling the Sunday Times fake news...brave....are you saying Jezza wasn't asked to meet with heard of MI5? Just because he had decided he doesn't want to attend doesn't make it fake news. Or is you whole Fake News is because a newspaper used the term summoned?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have checked out. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
  • Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have been legit. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    It is best not to feed them. It only encourages them.
  • Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have been legit. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    It is best not to feed them. It only encourages them.
    Well yes, BJO is really beyond help these days.
  • Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have been legit. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    It is best not to feed them. It only encourages them.
    Well yes, BJO is really beyond help these days.
    Who? !
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have checked out. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    You still think Corbyn is a Czech spy and RED ROARS fake document is true.

    You need help
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have checked out. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    You still think Corbyn is a Czech spy and RED ROARS fake document is true.

    You need help
    I never said Corbyn was a Czech spy. I actually said the opposite, go check. I said spys have to be smart and unassuming, which Corbyn has never been, and he was a total nobody at the time.

    I said he was sympathetic to the cause of the Eastern block and would have had to been even moronic than I think he is not to realise who he was meeting.

    Where as you spent weeks limbo dancing about how the Russian's didn't do Salisbury.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,692

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have checked out. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    You still think Corbyn is a Czech spy and RED ROARS fake document is true.

    You need help
    I never said Corbyn was a Czech spy. I actually said the opposite, go check. I said spys have to be smart and unassuming, which Corbyn has never been.
    Add SUN MAIL and GUIDO (i am not sure if you have heard of the latter) to your fake news list
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    I said until now their stories have checked out. If they have been found to publish bullshit fakery, I shall put them in the same bin as Sqwawkbox, Novara media and theCanary.
    You still think Corbyn is a Czech spy and RED ROARS fake document is true.

    You need help
    I never said Corbyn was a Czech spy. I actually said the opposite, go check. I said spys have to be smart and unassuming, which Corbyn has never been.
    Add SUN MAIL and GUIDO (i am not sure if you have heard of the latter) to your fake news list
    As your taking to take back that false accusation that I made about Corbyn and the Czech spy?

    And as I keep telling you I link to all sorts of media. This morning it has been the BBC, the Guardian, the Times and the Mail.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Wow, that certainly sounded like an edge in real time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    Heigh ho Owls

    I have to say I think somebody who has posted news from Skwawkbox and Novaro and then defended them even when the story was patently more false than the average Deutsches Nachrichten Buro bulletin should probably not shout too loudly about others posting stories from unverified sources.

    It looks a touch hypocritical.
  • ydoethur said:

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    Heigh ho Owls

    I have to say I think somebody who has posted news from Skwawkbox and Novaro and then defended them even when the story was patently more false than the average Deutsches Nachrichten Buro bulletin should probably not shout too loudly about others posting stories from unverified sources.

    It looks a touch hypocritical.
    As self aware as those complaining that Frank Field is a traitor because he voted with the other side a few times, when the messiah voted with the Tories more than Cameron.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Jeez....another lucky escape....no reviews left, with the umpires looking like they don't want to give anything out.
  • daodaodaodao Posts: 821
    edited September 2018
    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Money to be made if you are willing to back that opinion with some cash.

    Cricwiz model still has it as 80% chance of England win (which I think is way too high).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628

    Who are RedRoar? Is this the inverse of all those websites posting pro-Corbyn stories and with as much credibility, or are they legit? I don’t want to believe something on the web just because I want it to be true (I think that last sentance made sense..)
    They are a left of centre site. So far their stories have been found to be legit (certainly in comparison to the likes of Sqwawkbox etc).
    This latest FAKE document is FAKE FFS get a grip you stupid man
    You are sounding unusually rattled.

    Worried that Change. Is. Coming?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Jeez....another lucky escape....no reviews left, with the umpires looking like they don't want to give anything out.

    In fairness they gave Rahane out and he was saved on review
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    welshowl said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    McDonnell confirms Labour policy is not to have a second EU referendum and would instead call for a general election first to judge any Deal or no Deal with the EU

    So Labour will vote against any Brexit deal, in the hope that this will force a general election, where Labour will win a majority, and then be able to implement - er, what, exactly on Brexit?
    BINO, with some kind of Cameron-esque Free Movement face-saver, and they'll pretend it's transitional. They'd blame the Tories for not leaving enough time to do anything else, which would have the virtue of being true.

    I guess the SNP would vote for this too if he needs them; It removes most of the short-term practical downsides of Brexit for Scottish voters, but also gives them an upside for independence, because an independent Scotland could join the EU and get their influence back.
    Why would an independent Scotland get its influence back in the EU, it would have gone from being one of 4 nations in the UK to one of 27 in the EU and a minnow at that compared to the likes of France and Germany and Italy and Spain and Poland.

    Indeed Chequers Deal terms Brexit probably reduces the chances of Scottish independence a little as it avoids hard Brexit
    And a giant compared to Malta, Luxembourg, Cyprus, Estonia, etc...

    If the UK had a federal structure like the EU, Scotland's Remain vote would have constituted a veto on Brexit.
    Not Luxembourg which currently has the EU Commission President and ECJ.

    Given Qualified Majority voting on most Council of Minister decisions Scotland would have few if any vetoes on anything, especially with votes allocated based on population even with weighting
    Ireland has twice held the position occupied by the current Eurosceptic bête noire Martin Selmayr. A country like Scotland wouldn't struggle for influence, especially if it were the closest member state to a large non-EU economy...
    Scotland would be about 1.25% of the EU. It would get told what to do and like it. Just like Ireland is going to be when they are out of the Brexit limelight. (Watch that low corporate tax rate come into the Commission’s sights).

    Now all of that may, or may not deter the Scots from independence or EU membership, that’s up to them. But given many of us as a bloc of 65m thought we had bugger all influence I find the notion of 5M in Scotland having some as faintly ridiculous.
    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    Kohli's looking ominously settled here.
  • ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    For the first ten years of this millenium both UK Prime Ministers were someone born in Scotland.
  • ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    Kohli's looking ominously settled here.
    He is the crucial wicket.
  • Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    If England win this I'll eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    Kohli's looking ominously settled here.
    My thoughts exactly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    For the first ten years of this millenium both UK Prime Ministers were someone born in Scotland.
    Indeed, a case could be made that three of the last four PMs were Scottish.
  • Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    If England win this I'll eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    Cricwiz says you will pretty much nailed on to be tucking into one this evening....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    If England win this I'll eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    Cricwiz says you will pretty much nailed on to be tucking into one this evening....
    Have we finally found a website less reliable than Skwawkbox?
  • Almost Sion Simon levels of hubris here

    https://twitter.com/pokeefe1/status/1036199753221107712
  • ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    For the first ten years of this millenium both UK Prime Ministers were someone born in Scotland.
    Only six out of ten in the previous millenium.

    Ok, things are improving, let's knock indy on the head.
  • ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    daodao said:

    I expect India to be 147 for 3 (or 4) at tea and to have won by close of play today.

    England can't expect or deserve to win given the shoddy front-order batting line up that they have.

    Now that’s the kind of comment I like.
    Keep it up.
    If England win this I'll eat a pizza with pineapple on it.
    Cricwiz says you will pretty much nailed on to be tucking into one this evening....
    Have we finally found a website less reliable than Skwawkbox?
    I believe the guy behind it used to do the statistical analysis for the England team...
  • Haha Seb
  • Well, that sounded like an exciting first lap ...
  • Bad news for Sandpit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Safety car deployed....oops, losing bet Mr Dancer?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    edited September 2018
    Pleased to have lost one bet :)
    Edit. 2 bets.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,301

    Haha Seb

    And whingeing about what was essentially his own mistake.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,362
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    ydoethur the great clunking donkey was North British, a more useless turnip you could not have found.
  • Nigelb said:

    Haha Seb

    And whingeing about what was essentially his own mistake.
    Yup and a potential unsafe release penalty looming.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    For the first ten years of this millenium both UK Prime Ministers were someone born in Scotland.
    Only six out of ten in the previous millenium.

    Ok, things are improving, let's knock indy on the head.
    Balfour (four years)
    Campbell-Bannerman (two years)
    Bonar Law (one year)
    MacDonald (seven years)
    Home (one year)
    Blair (three years)

    And that is not even counting Macmillan who considered himself Scottish but was born in London.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,426
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    ydoethur the great clunking donkey was North British, a more useless turnip you could not have found.
    An interesting reversal of the Andy Murray phenomenon! :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,158
    edited September 2018
    Vettel...

    image
  • Uh oh, I hope Ferrari International Assistance don't penalise Lewis.
  • ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    LOL, it would be a million times better than Westminster, at least we would get a say.

    It's only eight years since the PM was Scottish! Admittedly he was an eminently forgettable PM...
    For the first ten years of this millenium both UK Prime Ministers were someone born in Scotland.
    Only six out of ten in the previous millenium.

    Ok, things are improving, let's knock indy on the head.
    That should be century of course!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,628
    Now THIS is racing!
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