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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,951
    kle4 said:

    While finding Corbyn's excuses for how he keeps ending up talking to and associating with awful people increasingly lame, am I alone in thinking Labour's press office is busy trawling through historical photos to find examples of Tory MPs standing next to bad people right now?

    The Tories seldom claim the moral high ground so it doesn't apply to the same extent, indeed several Tory MPs wear the 'bad ass' motif as a badge of honour. The MP for Shipley, for NW Leicestershire and even our old friend and the soon to be next MP for Peterborough spew bile and the voters love it!
  • kle4 said:

    Well, Lady Chakrabarti did tell Labour in her report that they should 'resist the use' of Nazi metaphors in debates. About 'Israel-Palestine 'in particular', but in fairness it's not bad advice generally (well ok, it's not great advice since it only asks them to resist the use, but it is better than nothing), for once, even if the swiftness to resort to it on specific topics is...suspicious.
    My wife listened to the interview and fully understood the fear that Dame Margaret Hodge elluded to in respect of her Father always having a suitcase packed and ready. We are the war time generation and it is very real in our memories of that period in history.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The headbangers are planning another bus tour to sell Brexit. Again.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    Scott_P said:

    The headbangers are planning another bus tour to sell Brexit. Again.

    Have Remainers forgotten that they lost to a bus last time?
  • Scott_P said:

    The headbangers are planning another bus tour to sell Brexit. Again.

    Suspect it will go nowhere - too late now.

    Jeremy Hunt was very measured and sensible when interviewed by Peston tonight
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    Mortimer said:

    Have Remainers forgotten that they lost to a bus last time?
    They didn't lose to a bus. They lost to the anti-immigration rhetoric of the leave campaign.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I am looking forward to th slogans this time

    £350m for the NHS

    Probably not as bad as the Black Death

    We have stockpiled SPAM and Aspirin

    Relax, Chris Grayling is on it...
  • TOPPING said:

    They didn't lose to a bus. They lost to the anti-immigration rhetoric of the leave campaign.
    No they didn't.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,951
    Scott_P said:

    I am looking forward to th slogans this time

    £350m for the NHS

    Probably not as bad as the Black Death

    We have stockpiled SPAM and Aspirin

    Relax, Chris Grayling is on it...

    FFS don't put Grayling in charge of a bus!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,505

    No they didn't.
    Believe it or not but metropolitan liberal eurosceptics didn't win the referendum.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    ...the Jezzuits ...

    Bravo!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,129

    FFS don't put Grayling in charge of a bus!
    :lol:
  • daodaodaodao Posts: 821

    Corbyn is 69 years old and there is no general election due for another four years. (Trump is 72 btw.) I doubt he'd have aimed to be running the party then anyway, even without this.

    Corbyn is 69 years old and there is no general election due for another four years. (Trump is 72 btw.) I doubt he'd have aimed to be running the party then anyway, even without this.
    Therefore, those who dislike Corbyn can bide their time, as he is unlikely to lead Labour into GE2022.
  • FFS don't put Grayling in charge of a bus!
    Actually that should be don't put Grayling in charge of anything
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    No they didn't.
    Ask HYUFD about the polling.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,009
    edited August 2018

    I thought Malc preferred Lanliq.
    Dear Dear , I am a quality man, no rubbish for me.
    PS: I will not take that as an insult William , just you not being very savvy.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,505
    TOPPING said:

    Ask HYUFD about the polling.
    ARRRGHHH!
  • TOPPING said:

    Ask HYUFD about the polling.
    The polling shows that anti immigration rhetoric didn't win 52% of the vote.
  • Believe it or not but metropolitan liberal eurosceptics didn't win the referendum.
    Indeed. Nobody won the referendum except Leave. All 17.4 million Leave voters.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    The polling shows that anti immigration rhetoric didn't win 52% of the vote.
    Biggest factor for Leave.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,505

    The polling shows that anti immigration rhetoric didn't win 52% of the vote.
    You might as well say that people who care about the curvature of bananas were the key swing voters.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,951

    The polling shows that anti immigration rhetoric didn't win 52% of the vote.
    The anti immigration rhetoric only needed to sway the 2% that edged it over the line.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,005

    My wife listened to the interview and fully understood the fear that Dame Margaret Hodge elluded to in respect of her Father always having a suitcase packed and ready. We are the war time generation and it is very real in our memories of that period in history.

    It's a nice example of how the nuance of speech is utterly lost on Twitter. In the context of a five or ten minute interview outlining why the political is personal with this. Not just in Germany but in various countries over the past two centuries Jews who believed they had found a home within rational, civilised societies and quickly found that it has vanished and they've had to vanish too or lose their lives or possessions. The most extreme example is obviously Nazi Germany, but of course it also happened in Tsarist and Soviet Russia, the Middle East, France. And of course in Nazi Germany it was letters telling you to leave your job long before trains to Auscwitz. It's a fair point about why spurious disciplinary hearings over her complaints make her think 'hang on a sec'. If you've read your Hannah Arendt you'll know what she's getting at. It won't start with persecution but saying You're unwelcome and blame.

    Of course on Twitter it comes out as 'Hodge says Labour are like Nazis'
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Undoubtedly the biggest question coming to PB n the coming week ....

    LEAVE or REMAIN in Europe .... Burnley FC .... the nation awaits .. :smiley:
  • kle4 said:

    I know I am seen as optimistic in this, but I find it hard to believe the same level of cultish behaviour will be possible once a Corbyn government starts to disappoint, as all governments do, on its promises. Some will of course remain just as passionate and attack any critics, but I cannot see the same number doing so, going the full Venezuela.
    Just imagine people earning over £40k having to pay a new NHS tax. A new social mobility tax being charged on businesses to support poorer communities. New entry criteria for the public service sector jobs. Judges having to have social backgrounds that more fitted the communities ravaged by crime. An abolished House of Lords with an appointed second chamber. Momentum being organised to help local policing. The armed forces having to swear a new oath of allegiance to Parliament, and being purged of those who refuse. Very popular with non-taxpayers who are almost a majority of voters.

    We could go full Venezuela remarkably quickly.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,129
    NEW ROW ABOUT NAZI PARTY ON NEXT THREAD :lol:
  • It'll be a quiet September.

    I'll be editing PB for most of September whilst Mike is on holiday.
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