To be perfectly fair to Corbyn, there have been so many of these antisemitism cases now that it must be hard to keep track of who has and has not been implicated. So far.
Someone at Labour HQ really ought to set up a database to help him out.
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I wonder if part of the problem was people accusing their opponents of being Nazi's...
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To be fair, PB managed a generally polite and informative discussion of Israel and Palestine yesterday - not something that happens on many websites. Almost any other forum would have had the moderator tearing their hair out.
I am sure there is similar polite and informative discussion on corbynista forums on this issue....the difference is they all agree that Israel is evil and there should be a final solution, but not in an antisemitic way, only an anti-Zionist way....
I had plenty of criticisms of the Labour party under Ed Miliband, but my god I would never have imagined it would have descended into a situation where my statement isn't some off the wall over the top comment, it appears to be truth.
I notice that you have repeatedly claimed on this thread that living standards in the last ten years have fallen further and faster than at any time since the Napoleonic Wars.
Leaving aside the fact this is a very strange time period to choose - the Napoleonic Wars from 1805 to 1815 were actually quite a prosperous time in Britain, and the hardship came mostly later with the peace - I also think it is a very strange claim. I can think of three time periods; 1877-1903, 1914-1918 and 1940-49 - when the decline in relative wages and living standards was much more severe. 1920-23 might be added in although that is more dubious.
So I was curious - what is your source for this claim?
As an aside, pretty much the whole continent of Europe was imposing a trade blockade on the UK at the time.
Yes, under the continental system.
The net result was Britain imported raw materials from the Empire and manufactured them at home leading briefly to full employment and laying the foundations for Britain's nineteenth century economic model.
Ironically when continental imports became available again there was a slump as a result. I seem to recall earnings among weavers declined 50% in just three years due to French cotton becoming available.
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Still quite common IMO. And conversely I recall some horrendous abuse at times which the moderators successfully stamped on. You probably have a happy nature so have forgotten them!
The Martin Day and Tim era certainly got unpleasant at times, but I firmly believe there was a lot more interesting discussion of issues from a wide range of angles. Now I log on and see thread after thread with the same Brexit arguments from both sides regurgitated and every single story seen through the filter of that.
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A couple of months back there was a short discussion about walking boots. Does that count?
As we also saw with the C4 News manager’s tweet about medicines, the fake news is getting pervasive and it’s becoming a serious problem that threatens to undermine democracy (and even the rule of law) if not tackled.
Technically the UK does produce insulin, but it doesn’t produce Human or Human Analogue Insulin, only Bovine and Porcine insulin. All Human and Human Analogue Insulin is imported from one of Novo Nordisk, Sanofi or Lilly.
In terms of Bovine and Porcine insulin, based on NHS England prescribing data from April 2018, they make up a total of around 0.3% of all insulin prescriptions, so the vast majority of people using insulin are using Human or Human Analogue insulins.
Digging further into this, the three companies providing Human insulin come from two different regions. Novo Nordisk are Danish, Sanofi are French-German and Eli Lilly are American.
However, all Lilly insulin products licensed for distribution in Europe come from the Dutch entity, Eli Lilly Nederland B.V. and are made in France or Spain. So while the owner of the patent is a US company, they are still, technically, being imported from the EU.
That means that all the insulin prescribed in the UK is imported from EU countries, and that 99.7% of insulin prescribed in the UK is imported.
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I'm no good in that department (store). I've had to wear 'sensible' shoes all my life.
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As it happens, shoes are a very controversial subject chez Meeks. When we were in the process of shifting some of our clothes from London to our new house, my secret shoe stash was discovered. There were scenes.
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As it happens, shoes are a very controversial subject chez Meeks. When we were in the process of shifting some of our clothes from London to our new house, my secret shoe stash was discovered. There were scenes.
I have long claimed that social media is a purulent boil, poisoning civil society from the inside out.
It's good to see that viewpoint is becoming much more common.
Fuck facebook. Fuck twitter.
Don't have much experience of Facebook: signed up about 8 years ago, but quickly decided that (a) putting the minutiae of my life online was foolish, and (b) that it was incredibly tedious to update all the time.
Joined Twitter and left again more recently. Its content consists not wholly, but largely, of cruelty, and its main purpose seems to be to give an opportunity for the evil and the psychotic to send electronic poison pen letters to people. It is awful and, on the whole, the world would be just that little bit better without it.
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It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
As it happens, shoes are a very controversial subject chez Meeks. When we were in the process of shifting some of our clothes from London to our new house, my secret shoe stash was discovered. There were scenes.
Tell him to lighten up. If you want to wear heels / stillettos that is up to you.....
To be perfectly fair to Corbyn, there have been so many of these antisemitism cases now that it must be hard to keep track of who has and has not been implicated. So far.
Someone at Labour HQ really ought to set up a database to help him out.
Marc was kicked out for 'bringing the party into disrepute' we even had several people on here watch the posted video of the incident and say it wasn't anti-Semitic.
Jez 'plugging' an event that features him is about as shocking as him 'plugging' for the other people in the event....
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I wonder if part of the problem was people accusing their opponents of being Nazi's...
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Before Brexit, it was very common on PB to have some really interesting discussions.
To be fair, PB managed a generally polite and informative discussion of Israel and Palestine yesterday - not something that happens on many websites. Almost any other forum would have had the moderator tearing their hair out.
I am sure there is similar polite and informative discussion on corbynista forums on this issue....the difference is they all agree that Israel is evil and there should be a final solution, but not in an antisemitic way, only an anti-Zionist way....
I had plenty of criticisms of the Labour party under Ed Miliband, but my god I would never have imagined it would have descended into a situation where my statement isn't some off the wall over the top comment, it appears to be truth.
TBH many people think that about the Tories as well.
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I'm no good in that department (store). I've had to wear 'sensible' shoes all my life.
There have had to be some recent shoe sacrifices at this end and "sensible" have had to come into more common use just because of some of the places I spend time in these days, but I still have some nice shoes too. I like comfy heels when I can get them, but slingbacks are out these days.
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A couple of months back there was a short discussion about walking boots. Does that count?
I suppose it does, but probably as much as old Landrovers count in F1 discussions
This was the week the mask slipped fully as Corbyn and his acolytes just got too clumsy with their anti-Semitism. It's just unfathomably appalling what they've done to such a once great party. Sickening.
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It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
A couple of months back there was a short discussion about walking boots. Does that count?
I suppose it does, but probably as much as old Landrovers count in F1 discussions
Jaguar used to run an F1 team that would probably have been more successful if they'd entered old Landrovers...
The idea that the government could have done more in the form of stimulus without very substantial counterbalancing cuts in expenditure elsewhere is really for the birds.
Before Osborne, we were running a ruinously high deficit.
Now we're running a ruinously high deficit, have suffered the largest drop in living standards since the Napoleonic wars, have doubled our national debt, and our growth is the weakest in the G8.
WHAT A FUCKING HERO OSBORNE IS.
Actually, it's largely gone unnoticed, but French growth for Q218 - the most recent quarter, was a pathetically feeble 0.2%. An annualised rate of 0.8%
So it's quite possible, even probable, that the UK is growing faster than France (and maybe Italy)...
I believe this was discussed a couple of days back - along with the relative household savings rates, which give a rather different perspective.
I would never pay attention to household savings in France. A tradition of revolution and invasion mean that French people keep their savings well hidden, in gold. Helps keep it hidden from the rapacious taxman too.
As we also saw with the C4 News manager’s tweet about medicines, the fake news is getting pervasive and it’s becoming a serious problem that threatens to undermine democracy (and even the rule of law) if not tackled.
Technically the UK does produce insulin, but it doesn’t produce Human or Human Analogue Insulin, only Bovine and Porcine insulin. All Human and Human Analogue Insulin is imported from one of Novo Nordisk, Sanofi or Lilly.
In terms of Bovine and Porcine insulin, based on NHS England prescribing data from April 2018, they make up a total of around 0.3% of all insulin prescriptions, so the vast majority of people using insulin are using Human or Human Analogue insulins.
Digging further into this, the three companies providing Human insulin come from two different regions. Novo Nordisk are Danish, Sanofi are French-German and Eli Lilly are American.
However, all Lilly insulin products licensed for distribution in Europe come from the Dutch entity, Eli Lilly Nederland B.V. and are made in France or Spain. So while the owner of the patent is a US company, they are still, technically, being imported from the EU.
That means that all the insulin prescribed in the UK is imported from EU countries, and that 99.7% of insulin prescribed in the UK is imported.
I'm fairly sure Charles said this last week, so I'm surprised at the "fake news" meme here.
This was the week the mask slipped fully as Corbyn and his acolytes just got too clumsy with their anti-Semitism. It's just unfathomably appalling what they've done to such a once great party. Sickening.
Is it anti Semitic to suggest that some in the Jewish community are Trump fanatics?
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It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
A couple of months back there was a short discussion about walking boots. Does that count?
I suppose it does, but probably as much as old Landrovers count in F1 discussions
I think one of the early F1 ambulances in the 1960s was an ex-army Land Rover ambulance.
Annoyingly, I cannot immediately find the picture to check ...
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
Currency has a high level of emotional resonance: its an important symbol of the nation, as the images of famous British authors, inventors and reformers on our banknotes attest to, not to mention the Queen, and we all see it and use it every day.
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
Currency has a high level of emotional resonance: its an important symbol of the nation, as the images of famous British authors, inventors and reformers on our banknotes attest to, not to mention the Queen, and we all see it and use it every day.
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
Why do you think it is that English Brexit voters are far less likely claim that their primary identity is British than Remainers?
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It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
A couple of months back there was a short discussion about walking boots. Does that count?
I suppose it does, but probably as much as old Landrovers count in F1 discussions
I think one of the early F1 ambulances in the 1960s was an ex-army Land Rover ambulance.
Annoyingly, I cannot immediately find the picture to check ...
Is there not one in Sid’s book, of how things used to be when he first got involved?
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Before Brexit, it was very common on PB to have some really interesting discussions.
There is no one left to chat to about shoes since Plato got banned. Even cooking feels like a no-no
It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
A couple of months back there was a short discussion about walking boots. Does that count?
I suppose it does, but probably as much as old Landrovers count in F1 discussions
I think one of the early F1 ambulances in the 1960s was an ex-army Land Rover ambulance.
Annoyingly, I cannot immediately find the picture to check ...
Is there not one in Sid’s book, of how things used to be when he first got involved?
Ah, interesting you mention that book. I've got a signed copy, y'know.
I'll see if I can find it in my bookcase in a minute.
Edit: no, that was Stanley Passion Wagon, and that was (I think late 1970s). I'm thinking before that.
An EU cake - interesting. Were you trying to have your cake and eat it?
Victoria sponge filling?
Yes, a Victoria sponge. I made it in the aftermath of the referendum to cheer myself up or to show defiance... or both.
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Excellent! I have not done any baking for a while, I have just been too busy but I do get to do plenty of other cooking. My Special Vermicelli Noodles have been coming on a real treat.
Technically the UK does produce insulin, but it doesn’t produce Human or Human Analogue Insulin, only Bovine and Porcine insulin. All Human and Human Analogue Insulin is imported from one of Novo Nordisk, Sanofi or Lilly.
In terms of Bovine and Porcine insulin, based on NHS England prescribing data from April 2018, they make up a total of around 0.3% of all insulin prescriptions, so the vast majority of people using insulin are using Human or Human Analogue insulins.
That means that all the insulin prescribed in the UK is imported from EU countries, and that 99.7% of insulin prescribed in the UK is imported.
Yes - it is essentially fake news. Your numbers are about right wrt insulin production.
However, the damaging parts of the claims made by the Channel 4 Head of Output without evidence were about:
1 - Imports coming to a shuddering halt. 2 - Diabetics starting to die. 3 - Framing it in a manner to generate false panic. 4 - It was run on an account which is just identified as "C4 Head of News Output" (ish), with no 'just my opinion' disclaimers.
As far as I can see, had done no background work to establish what contingency plans etc are in existence. Nor had he rsesearched whether or not insulin imports could continue under WTO rules.
Further, insulin has very long use by dates, and in emergency can probably be used beyond that - since they have to be guaranteed dates. So stockpiling is not exactly difficult.
The Novorapid I collected this afternoon has a use by date of April 2020. The Lantus has a use by date of September 2020.
There have also been reports of "millions being affected", whereas the number of patients who use insulin is more like 500-600k for both Type I and Type II Diabetics, and the Type I diabetics who will be at risk of death are about 350k. I don't think the C4 chappie has covered this last para.
Highly, highly irresponsible from an apparently authoritative source that will be widely believed.
If you want a order of magnitude number for how big this thing is, about 10 standard 40ft freight containers would store roughly one year's supply for half a million insulin dependendent diabetics (ie all of us), using my own 70u per day as an average, according to the back of my envelope.
So even bringing stuff in could be easily done by air if necessary, assuming availability - and I really do not see medicines being stopped in their tracks on Day One.
Turning political, from my Brexiteer point of view, this is just another dose of lazy, hysterical, remain-o-bollocks.
Sqwawkbox is only marginally behind Novara media in their attempt at becoming the Corbynista equivalent of InfoWars....
Their existence feeds into the myth that journalism is corrupted and the media lie all the time.
Dangerous times.
In all seriousness it really is shocking, I have no idea what Sky News are doing having one of their people on as a regular contributor. It is totally different to having say somebody from the New Statesman.
I pointed out numerous times on here about in particular Sqwawkbox in the past.
We need a Royal Commission or some such on the role of new media in our democracy, before it eats our democracy.
Not sure what channel it will be on in the U.K., but John Oliver’s HBO show did a very cutting spoof of Facebook’s ‘apology’ advert yesterday.
As we also saw with the C4 News manager’s tweet about medicines, the fake news is getting pervasive and it’s becoming a serious problem that threatens to undermine democracy (and even the rule of law) if not tackled. India currently has a problem with lynch mobs responding to social media posts by killing people.
Did we not have lies, rumours and misinformation before Tim Berners-Lee? It's particularly ironic that "fake news" is itself an internet meme deployed by its main proponent to discredit inconvenient but true news about him put out by the likes of CNN. I sort of see what you mean, but "tackling it" means censorship - or it means nothing. And you are apparently proposing new powers to regulate the ouput of proper news sources like Channel 4, so not limiting it to foreign bots or anything. Dangerous stuff.
Yeah that was where the conversation on Twitter went to. Certainly shows the problems with hasty judgements by partisans who call their opponents Nazis....
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
Currency has a high level of emotional resonance: its an important symbol of the nation, as the images of famous British authors, inventors and reformers on our banknotes attest to, not to mention the Queen, and we all see it and use it every day.
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
Yeah, but currencies....?!
Do the Germans grieve over the Deutschmark, the French over the Franc? I even get the impression Italians were glad to see the end of the Lira.
Even in this blessed Isle there are few who mourn the demise of the Guinea, or weep into their beer over the long lost Groat.
I notice that you have repeatedly claimed on this thread that living standards in the last ten years have fallen further and faster than at any time since the Napoleonic Wars.
Leaving aside the fact this is a very strange time period to choose - the Napoleonic Wars from 1805 to 1815 were actually quite a prosperous time in Britain, and the hardship came mostly later with the peace - I also think it is a very strange claim. I can think of three time periods; 1877-1903, 1914-1918 and 1940-49 - when the decline in relative wages and living standards was much more severe. 1920-23 might be added in although that is more dubious.
So I was curious - what is your source for this claim?
As an aside, pretty much the whole continent of Europe was imposing a trade blockade on the UK at the time.
Yes, under the continental system.
The net result was Britain imported raw materials from the Empire and manufactured them at home leading briefly to full employment and laying the foundations for Britain's nineteenth century economic model.
Ironically when continental imports became available again there was a slump as a result. I seem to recall earnings among weavers declined 50% in just three years due to French cotton becoming available.
Yes. As an aside, my employers (who are so Remain they make williamglenn look like Jacob Rees-Mogg) are looking to develop their consultancy business in Australia and Canada as part of a Brexit business resilience strategy. To be fair, they are also looking for options to establish a subsidiary office in either/or Dublin and Berlin too, but, since we don't have any EU business at the moment, this is only a contingency. Toronto and Sydney both have live metro projects crying out for skills and advice.
I wonder, at a macro-level, how many other businesses are doing the same. It would suggest the UK will diversify its trade and business globally over time.
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
Currency has a high level of emotional resonance: its an important symbol of the nation, as the images of famous British authors, inventors and reformers on our banknotes attest to, not to mention the Queen, and we all see it and use it every day.
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
Yeah, but currencies....?!
Do the Germans grieve over the Deutschmark, the French over the Franc? I even get the impression Italians were glad to see the end of the Lira.
Even in this blessed Isle there are few who mourn the demise of the Guinea, or weep into their beer over the long lost Groat.
It's just money, ffs.
I'll think you'll find that quite a few Germans grieve over the loss of the Deutschmark.
Sqwawkbox is only marginally behind Novara media in their attempt at becoming the Corbynista equivalent of InfoWars....
Their existence feeds into the myth that journalism is corrupted and the media lie all the time.
Dangerous times.
In all seriousness it really is shocking, I have no idea what Sky News are doing having one of their people on as a regular contributor. It is totally different to having say somebody from the New Statesman.
I pointed out numerous times on here about in particular Sqwawkbox in the past.
We need a Royal Commission or some such on the role of new media in our democracy, before it eats our democracy.
Not sure what channel it will be on in the U.K., but John Oliver’s HBO show did a very cutting spoof of Facebook’s ‘apology’ advert yesterday.
As we also saw with the C4 News manager’s tweet about medicines, the fake news is getting pervasive and it’s becoming a serious problem that threatens to undermine democracy (and even the rule of law) if not tackled. India currently has a problem with lynch mobs responding to social media posts by killing people.
Did we not have lies, rumours and misinformation before Tim Berners-Lee? It's particularly ironic that "fake news" is itself an internet meme deployed by its main proponent to discredit inconvenient but true news about him put out by the likes of CNN. I sort of see what you mean, but "tackling it" means censorship - or it means nothing. And you are apparently proposing new powers to regulate the ouput of proper news sources like Channel 4, so not limiting it to foreign bots or anything. Dangerous stuff.
I think the priority needs to be education rather than censorship, but it certainly requires people to exercise restraint and understand how what they post online is public and permanent. This applies especially to those who work for established media organisations.
If the current escalation of people talking about Brexit being the apocalypse continue to the point where it’s inciting public disorder, then the line of free speech has been crossed. Comments about availability of medicines are already bloody close to that line, especially when they form part of a narrative.
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
Yeah, but currencies....?!
Do the Germans grieve over the Deutschmark, the French over the Franc? I even get the impression Italians were glad to see the end of the Lira.
Even in this blessed Isle there are few who mourn the demise of the Guinea, or weep into their beer over the long lost Groat.
It's just money, ffs.
Yes, for the reasons I just outlined, which it looks like you've just glazed over.
Currency is far more important than any of the other examples I listed. The pound sterling is a totemic symbol of Britain, British history and British independence; its story stretches back nearly 1,000 years, and the voters both feel very strongly about it, and have huge affection for it.
Remember how Kinnock used to argue how using the euro whilst going on holiday to Spain would make Britons far more enamoured to it, so they wouldn't mind giving up the pound?
Chortle.
You could argue that driving on the Left is even less important, and neither is the pint, yard or mile, but voters feel strongly about those too. Symbols matter.
Put this one in the same box as "abolishing the monarchy", for popularity.
You may as well burn the Union Jack, ban the national anthem and make tea illegal.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
I seem to recall a few threads a couple of years ago in which right-wing PB'ers poo-pooed Identity Politics as an Evil Invention of The Left....
One of the lessons I've learned over the last two years.
The EU pissed all over British and English identity, particularly since Maastricht. Citizens of the World, and self-identifying Europeans, feel their identity has been pissed all over the last two years.
My solution? Don't piss all over people's identities, of whatever stripe.
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
Currency has a high level of emotional resonance: its an important symbol of the nation, as the images of famous British authors, inventors and reformers on our banknotes attest to, not to mention the Queen, and we all see it and use it every day.
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
Yeah, but currencies....?!
Do the Germans grieve over the Deutschmark, the French over the Franc? I even get the impression Italians were glad to see the end of the Lira.
Even in this blessed Isle there are few who mourn the demise of the Guinea, or weep into their beer over the long lost Groat.
It's just money, ffs.
I'll think you'll find that quite a few Germans grieve over the loss of the Deutschmark.
One of the reasons the web encourages trolls is that people choose to pointlessly engage with the most shocking statements made rather than people who might be interested in a more fruitful debate.
Don't Feed The Trolls.
Before Brexit, it was very common on PB to have some really interesting discussions.
There is no one left to chat to about shoes since Plato got banned. Even cooking feels like a no-no
It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
As it happens, shoes are a very controversial subject chez Meeks. When we were in the process of shifting some of our clothes from London to our new house, my secret shoe stash was discovered. There were scenes.
You've entirely moved out of London?!
No. Actually tonight I’m in the London flat. But selling it is high on the agenda now.
I should acknowledge, however, that the Channel 4 twittering Head of Output is himself Type I.
On stockpiling, the amount spent in the UK on insulin itself is of the order of £500m a year (to within half/double), based on the very ballpark £750-1000 for 500k-600k people. A 12 month stockpile would need that amount of expenditure brought forward.
Given that there are perhaps 30-40 million people worldwide dependent on insulin (more difficult to estimate how many in the developing world get what they need), any fluctuations on UK supply are not significant in overall volumes - probably even for the subset of insulins supplied here. Europe probably has 6-8 million (type Is plus a recent trend to insulin for type 2s).
I don't know a single person who wants to get rid of the pound. Apart from william.
"Culture" is an odd reason for something practical like a currency - it's like saying that you insist on British cars even if they're poor value. If it'd be economically beneficial to Britain to adopt the Euro, we should; if not, then we shouldn't. The cultural argument would apply if it was something like curriculum content.
Currency has a high level of emotional resonance: its an important symbol of the nation, as the images of famous British authors, inventors and reformers on our banknotes attest to, not to mention the Queen, and we all see it and use it every day.
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
Yeah, but currencies....?!
Do the Germans grieve over the Deutschmark, the French over the Franc? I even get the impression Italians were glad to see the end of the Lira.
Even in this blessed Isle there are few who mourn the demise of the Guinea, or weep into their beer over the long lost Groat.
It's just money, ffs.
I'll think you'll find that quite a few Germans grieve over the loss of the Deutschmark.
Das ist nicht mein Eindruck.
Well then you're wrong, aren't you.
"As of May 17th 2012, 49% of Germans consider the abolishing of the Deutsch Mark a mistake, and 47% are still positive about the Euro. (source:http://www.zeit.de/news/2012-05/...) "
It's basically Brexit in a nutshell.
Those who aren't particularity fussed about national symbols or the nation state have no problem with the EU. Those who are very much do.
This was the week the mask slipped fully as Corbyn and his acolytes just got too clumsy with their anti-Semitism. It's just unfathomably appalling what they've done to such a once great party. Sickening.
Is it anti Semitic to suggest that some in the Jewish community are Trump fanatics?
It would certainly be true of white people.
That's not what he said and you know it - I'd say they're pretty rare given who Trump thinks are "good people" . He's accusing Jews complaining about anti-Semitism of being Trump supporters who are conspiring to use social media to invent anti-Semitism to smear Labour and denies it's existence. Five minutes looking at who's complained and reported anti-Semitism within Labour, including of course Labour MPs and members, ex-members, as well as Jewish and non-Jewish journalists who far from being in any way sympathetic to Trump marched against him or have written about how he may bring down Western civilisation. It's such an absurd and obtuse excuse and attack on a whole community that's calling out racism that it's clearly racist.
Imagine a group of leaders from the Muslim community had written to Labour saying "We're really worried your approach to tackling racism towards us is inadequate" and a Labour NEC had responded by saying "Well they all probably support ISIS, that's why they're complaining and making up these cases of racism" That's the equivalent of what he's done. Rightly, no one would stand for it. Except of course Corbyn and co did - telling people to vote him on to the NEC after he made it. It's disgraceful.
He's a racist, and if you can't see that and are defending people who do then you probably want to take a long hard look at yourself to ensure you're not one too. It's just maddening, how the desire for utterly uncritical, cultlike support for Corbyn has turned people who are supposed to oppose racism into apologists for it because it's inconvenient.
This was the week the mask slipped fully as Corbyn and his acolytes just got too clumsy with their anti-Semitism. It's just unfathomably appalling what they've done to such a once great party. Sickening.
Is it anti Semitic to suggest that some in the Jewish community are Trump fanatics?
It would certainly be true of white people.
That's not what he said and you know it - I'd say they're pretty rare given who Trump thinks are "good people" . He's accusing Jews complaining about anti-Semitism of being Trump supporters who are conspiring to use social media to invent anti-Semitism to smear Labour and denies it's existence. Five minutes looking at who's complained and reported anti-Semitism within Labour, including of course Labour MPs and members, ex-members, as well as Jewish and non-Jewish journalists who far from being in any way sympathetic to Trump marched against him or have written about how he may bring down Western civilisation. It's such an absurd and obtuse excuse and attack on a whole community that's calling out racism that it's clearly racist.
Imagine a group of leaders from the Muslim community had written to Labour saying "We're really worried your approach to tackling racism towards us is inadequate" and a Labour NEC had responded by saying "Well they all probably support ISIS, that's why they're complaining and making up these cases of racism" That's the equivalent of what he's done. Rightly, no one would stand for it. Except of course Corbyn and co did - telling people to vote him on to the NEC after he made it. It's disgraceful.
He's a racist, and if you can't see that and are defending people who do then you probably want to take a long hard look at yourself to ensure you're not one too. It's just maddening, how the desire for utterly uncritical, cultlike support for Corbyn has turned people who are supposed to oppose racism into apologists for it because it's inconvenient.
Actually that is what he said.
I think you are getting confused in the article with the comments made by Luciana Berger. Here's a hint read the comments in quotation marks actually attributed to him, it really isn't difficult.
Is it anti Semitic to suggest that some in the Jewish community are Trump fanatics?
It would certainly be true of white people.
He's a racist, and if you can't see that and are defending people who do then you probably want to take a long hard look at yourself to ensure you're not one too. It's just maddening, how the desire for utterly uncritical, cultlike support for Corbyn has turned people who are supposed to oppose racism into apologists for it because it's inconvenient.
Actually that is what he said.
I think you are getting confused in the article with the comments made by Luciana Berger. Here's a hint read the comments in quotation marks actually attributed to him, it really isn't difficult.
I listened to the tape. I'm not confused one little bit - you appear to be - or I hope you are for your sake.
He literally says (and I transcribe): "Some of these people in the Jewish community support Trump, they're Trump fanatics. So I'm not going to be lectured to by Trump fanatics making up false information without any evidence at all. So I think we should ask the 70 rabbis where is your evidence?"
Now, if you want to tie yourself in knots, there probably are Jews that support Trump. Although as I said, they're rare given Jews' understandable aversion to anyone with a whiff of the fascist about them. If you look hard enough you can find a few members of any community who support anything. Using that as a general smear to cast aspersions on rabbis from across the Jewish community and those who've made complaints as "making up false information" due to some hidden Trumpian agenda (especially when many are on record as despising the great orange halfwit) is clearly anti-Semitic, as I point out, for the same reason accusing Muslims reasonably setting out their complaints of acting in bad faith because some Muslims happen to support very bad people.
It's so obviously racist I can't believe you're trying to argue otherwise. Corbyn really has blackenned hearts and maddened heads.
I don't see how I am tying myself in knots by suggesting there are Jewish people that support Trump because obviously there are.
Jonathan Arkush congratulated Trump on becoming president, there are actually some Jewish people that support Trump. Claiming that a true statement that some Jewish people support Trump is actually a racist statement is pretty stupid.
Shouting racist at true statements just demeans the word racist.
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Someone at Labour HQ really ought to set up a database to help him out.
The net result was Britain imported raw materials from the Empire and manufactured them at home leading briefly to full employment and laying the foundations for Britain's nineteenth century economic model.
Ironically when continental imports became available again there was a slump as a result. I seem to recall earnings among weavers declined 50% in just three years due to French cotton becoming available.
It is Brexit, Brexit, Brexit....
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http://www.diabettech.com/brexit/fact-checking-sir-michael-rawlins-statements-in-relation-to-insulin-and-brexit-should-we-be-worried/
Technically the UK does produce insulin, but it doesn’t produce Human or Human Analogue Insulin, only Bovine and Porcine insulin. All Human and Human Analogue Insulin is imported from one of Novo Nordisk, Sanofi or Lilly.
In terms of Bovine and Porcine insulin, based on NHS England prescribing data from April 2018, they make up a total of around 0.3% of all insulin prescriptions, so the vast majority of people using insulin are using Human or Human Analogue insulins.
Digging further into this, the three companies providing Human insulin come from two different regions. Novo Nordisk are Danish, Sanofi are French-German and Eli Lilly are American.
However, all Lilly insulin products licensed for distribution in Europe come from the Dutch entity, Eli Lilly Nederland B.V. and are made in France or Spain. So while the owner of the patent is a US company, they are still, technically, being imported from the EU.
That means that all the insulin prescribed in the UK is imported from EU countries, and that 99.7% of insulin prescribed in the UK is imported.
Oh you mean about PB? Wouldn't know, didn't join until the following year.
But in 2005 I seem to remember there was a post which turned out to be prescient:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2005/05/26/could-this-man-be-the-next-president-of-the-united-states/
I mention it because I know OGH never would...
(I'll get my coat)
Joined Twitter and left again more recently. Its content consists not wholly, but largely, of cruelty, and its main purpose seems to be to give an opportunity for the evil and the psychotic to send electronic poison pen letters to people. It is awful and, on the whole, the world would be just that little bit better without it.
Victoria sponge filling?
Jez 'plugging' an event that features him is about as shocking as him 'plugging' for the other people in the event....
I think both groups are crazy people.
Corbynite NEC launches a full blown anti-Semitic rant: Let off with a non-apology apology.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/bombshell-recording-proves-corbyn-ally-blamed-jewish-trump-fantatics-for-false-antisemitism-clai-1.467802
This was the week the mask slipped fully as Corbyn and his acolytes just got too clumsy with their anti-Semitism. It's just unfathomably appalling what they've done to such a once great party. Sickening.
It would certainly be true of white people.
Annoyingly, I cannot immediately find the picture to check ...
It's the EU's total failure to understand this - instead plastering its flag and "house-style" on so many other everyday things we use; passports, driving licences, car numberplates and much larger flags wherever its trickled out a few quid (of our money) on regional development - that's partly led to where we are today. People feel their national identity is being chipped away at. Partially, they are right.
If you piss all over people's identities, expect a backlash.
They’ve come a long way from there to the world’s fastest ambulance.
I'll see if I can find it in my bookcase in a minute.
Edit: no, that was Stanley Passion Wagon, and that was (I think late 1970s). I'm thinking before that.
Certainly needs investigating.
https://www.timesoftunbridgewells.co.uk/investigation-into-anti-semitism-as-tunbridge-wells-labour-candidate-steps-down/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Excellent! I have not done any baking for a while, I have just been too busy but I do get to do plenty of other cooking. My Special Vermicelli Noodles have been coming on a real treat.
However, the damaging parts of the claims made by the Channel 4 Head of Output without evidence were about:
1 - Imports coming to a shuddering halt.
2 - Diabetics starting to die.
3 - Framing it in a manner to generate false panic.
4 - It was run on an account which is just identified as "C4 Head of News Output" (ish), with no 'just my opinion' disclaimers.
As far as I can see, had done no background work to establish what contingency plans etc are in existence. Nor had he rsesearched whether or not insulin imports could continue under WTO rules.
Further, insulin has very long use by dates, and in emergency can probably be used beyond that - since they have to be guaranteed dates. So stockpiling is not exactly difficult.
The Novorapid I collected this afternoon has a use by date of April 2020. The Lantus has a use by date of September 2020.
There have also been reports of "millions being affected", whereas the number of patients who use insulin is more like 500-600k for both Type I and Type II Diabetics, and the Type I diabetics who will be at risk of death are about 350k. I don't think the C4 chappie has covered this last para.
Highly, highly irresponsible from an apparently authoritative source that will be widely believed.
If you want a order of magnitude number for how big this thing is, about 10 standard 40ft freight containers would store roughly one year's supply for half a million insulin dependendent diabetics (ie all of us), using my own 70u per day as an average, according to the back of my envelope.
So even bringing stuff in could be easily done by air if necessary, assuming availability - and I really do not see medicines being stopped in their tracks on Day One.
Turning political, from my Brexiteer point of view, this is just another dose of lazy, hysterical, remain-o-bollocks.
Do the Germans grieve over the Deutschmark, the French over the Franc? I even get the impression Italians were glad to see the end of the Lira.
Even in this blessed Isle there are few who mourn the demise of the Guinea, or weep into their beer over the long lost Groat.
It's just money, ffs.
I wonder, at a macro-level, how many other businesses are doing the same. It would suggest the UK will diversify its trade and business globally over time.
If the current escalation of people talking about Brexit being the apocalypse continue to the point where it’s inciting public disorder, then the line of free speech has been crossed. Comments about availability of medicines are already bloody close to that line, especially when they form part of a narrative.
Currency is far more important than any of the other examples I listed. The pound sterling is a totemic symbol of Britain, British history and British independence; its story stretches back nearly 1,000 years, and the voters both feel very strongly about it, and have huge affection for it.
Remember how Kinnock used to argue how using the euro whilst going on holiday to Spain would make Britons far more enamoured to it, so they wouldn't mind giving up the pound?
Chortle.
You could argue that driving on the Left is even less important, and neither is the pint, yard or mile, but voters feel strongly about those too. Symbols matter.
Put this one in the same box as "abolishing the monarchy", for popularity.
You may as well burn the Union Jack, ban the national anthem and make tea illegal.
The EU pissed all over British and English identity, particularly since Maastricht. Citizens of the World, and self-identifying Europeans, feel their identity has been pissed all over the last two years.
My solution? Don't piss all over people's identities, of whatever stripe.
I only started crapping myself again in very late 2009, when Cameron welched over Lisbon and his plan for office in 2010 started falling apart.
On stockpiling, the amount spent in the UK on insulin itself is of the order of £500m a year (to within half/double), based on the very ballpark £750-1000 for 500k-600k people. A 12 month stockpile would need that amount of expenditure brought forward.
Given that there are perhaps 30-40 million people worldwide dependent on insulin (more difficult to estimate how many in the developing world get what they need), any fluctuations on UK supply are not significant in overall volumes - probably even for the subset of insulins supplied here. Europe probably has 6-8 million (type Is plus a recent trend to insulin for type 2s).
Those who aren't particularity fussed about national symbols or the nation state have no problem with the EU. Those who are very much do.
Neither side is able to understand the other.
Imagine a group of leaders from the Muslim community had written to Labour saying "We're really worried your approach to tackling racism towards us is inadequate" and a Labour NEC had responded by saying "Well they all probably support ISIS, that's why they're complaining and making up these cases of racism" That's the equivalent of what he's done. Rightly, no one would stand for it. Except of course Corbyn and co did - telling people to vote him on to the NEC after he made it. It's disgraceful.
He's a racist, and if you can't see that and are defending people who do then you probably want to take a long hard look at yourself to ensure you're not one too. It's just maddening, how the desire for utterly uncritical, cultlike support for Corbyn has turned people who are supposed to oppose racism into apologists for it because it's inconvenient.
I think you are getting confused in the article with the comments made by Luciana Berger. Here's a hint read the comments in quotation marks actually attributed to him, it really isn't difficult.
He literally says (and I transcribe): "Some of these people in the Jewish community support Trump, they're Trump fanatics. So I'm not going to be lectured to by Trump fanatics making up false information without any evidence at all. So I think we should ask the 70 rabbis where is your evidence?"
Now, if you want to tie yourself in knots, there probably are Jews that support Trump. Although as I said, they're rare given Jews' understandable aversion to anyone with a whiff of the fascist about them. If you look hard enough you can find a few members of any community who support anything. Using that as a general smear to cast aspersions on rabbis from across the Jewish community and those who've made complaints as "making up false information" due to some hidden Trumpian agenda (especially when many are on record as despising the great orange halfwit) is clearly anti-Semitic, as I point out, for the same reason accusing Muslims reasonably setting out their complaints of acting in bad faith because some Muslims happen to support very bad people.
It's so obviously racist I can't believe you're trying to argue otherwise. Corbyn really has blackenned hearts and maddened heads.
Jonathan Arkush congratulated Trump on becoming president, there are actually some Jewish people that support Trump. Claiming that a true statement that some Jewish people support Trump is actually a racist statement is pretty stupid.
Shouting racist at true statements just demeans the word racist.