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Seems like an obvious breach of the ministerial code.
Give him a suspension.
CJEU anyone?
If so we might as well stay in Euratom.
The EU attempting to impose a customs barrier within the UK by embarking upon the regulatory annexation of Northern Ireland is another matter.
One has just spent two years proving how he handles High Office and the other has never held any High Office. Both appear to be masters of vacuous promises with little substance behind them.
I cannot think of any better way of catapulting Corbyn into No 10 than electing either of those two buffoons to PM.
At the minute, the only MP who looks like she has both a spine and working brain is Soubry and she has zero chance (if she even wants to be PM).
Also, you paint the EU in a very malevolent light.
Mr. Cocque, convenience for the EU, indeed. It remains damned silly.
Mr. Meeks, interesting to consider what will happen to UKIP in the future.
We could realistically (although odds against) see both major parties split, perhaps with both splitting groups forming a new pro-EU party (perhaps swallowing the Lib Dems). Turbulent times indeed.
FWIW, I think they're about right for Boris but a good deal too short for JRM.
"BREXIT MEANS BREXIT"
"Have not the EU said that they are willing to negotiate and sign a free trade deal ?
What we are asking for goes some way beyond that."
Mr B,
Are you suggesting that Japan have been offered non-tariff trade without the four freedoms, including freedom of movement?
If so, what's the problem? It's what we joined the single market for. BTW, Tony Benn was laughed at in 1975 for suggesting that the Europeans intended to incorporate us into a larger European bloc. If I remember correctly, the phrase was 'lefty loony'.
His mystique comes from his "power behind the throne" schtick his followers carefully disseminate from within ERG towers.
It'd never survive a millisecond in contact with the coalface of British politics and JRM knows it.
If she went back to the EU now and said she'd changed her mind about CETA, she might find that the price has... changed.
Several Russians were involved in the attempted murder of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, the Press Association say.
They have been identified through CCTV, cross-checked with border entry data.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44883803
Jezza and the cult will still be limbo dancing that it was rogue actors acting on their own, etc etc etc...
http://dfat.gov.au/international-relations/security/non-proliferation-disarmament-arms-control/policies-agreements-treaties/nuclear-cooperation-agreements/Pages/australias-network-of-nuclear-cooperation-agreements.aspx
I think there's surprise about the oldies being so set on leaving. I'll give you a clue.
We voted IN on the basis we were dealing with a trade structure. We were lied to, and we still have functioning memories. As I've said before … 'Fool me once, more fool you - fool me twice, more fool me.'
Now, the explanation given is "We always intended to create a Euro country. If you'd read the small print is section 43 (a), you'd have realised that. It's not our fault you're all cretins and didn't listen carefully enough."
Just the response to produce the referendum result. And why it's not a good idea to try and sneak in a BINO.
The preamble to the treaty of Rome says "Determined to lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe"
It's right there on the first damn page.
If y'all were too lazy to even read the title cover you deserve to be bamboozled.
https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1019597477358526465
"If y'all were too lazy to even read the title cover you deserve to be bamboozled."
What proportion of the population read and digest International treaties? What proportion of MPs do? 99% of voters have a life.
But you make my point very well. Have you thought of standing as an MP? It would be fun on the doorstep.
Mr. Eagles, not a huge surprise, although I'll be interested to see how many years it's for.
But don't get the Brex-o-loons started because he apparently achieved "nothing".
Sooner or later that combined mass of falsehoods UK politicians have told about the European integration project were going to collapse under their unsustainable weight.
"Those fucking oldies in '75 didn't care about us yoofs."
But we did care about being lied to. the fact that we believed what we were told makes us feel stupid, and that makes us angrier. This is what's called human nature.
The Praetorians worked fine, as long as the system for choosing emperors was working. The problem with them becoming king-makers developed initially out of a necessity which developed into an art-form. However, their role in that respect was reactive - it was a consequence of the imperial throne becoming culturally open to just about any ambitious general, millionaire or politician, rather than being restricted to a narrow ruling dynasty (barring exceptional circumstances).
Fairer point on the succession but again, that was a consequence of culture - in this case, Rome's antipathy to kings (Octavian had, after all witnessed (first hand?) Julius Caesar's attempt to be symbolically crowned. As such, he always concealed his absolute power within the nominal framework of the Republic and eschewed royal titles (despite spawning the later titles of emperor, prince, tsar, kaisar, and Augustus). In truth, the new emperors were the new kings of Rome but Rome was unwilling to acknowledge them as such because it offended their sense of identity and the myth of the Republic. Octavian was wise enough to recognise that. Problem is, as you say, how do you resolve that dichotomy when the realities of necessity clash with the pretence of appearances? For all that, considering the chaos Augustus inherited and the two centuries of internal peace that by and large was his legacy, I think you're being a bit picky.
I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:
Boris Johnson: It is not too late to save Brexit - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44871629
Should I find another nation?
Yes or no?
It's less than one year
Still have to know if I can stay here
How I can stay here
And if I want to leave if I can come back
It's revolting
And if I will be fully covered in terms of health care
Your country is becoming a joke not even the crappiest Italian government from the war would be able create such a massive uncertainty
Neva4get
You are wiv da angles now
Mr. Herdson, disagree. You might make that claim regarding Claudius but it was the Praetorians who proactively compelled Nerva to ditch his first choice and opt for Trajan as his new heir.
Basil II showed how a bodyguard could function with loyalty rather than self-interest when he created the Varangian Guard.
There was mostly peace for the first couple of centuries and then the Crisis of the Third Century occurred, fuelled in no small part to the donative (again dating back to the early emperors) and rule being based purely on military might.
It's a fair point you make on Roman allegedly antipathy to kings, but by this stage of republican corruption there were political dynasties aplenty.
As a guide as to who will win the Tory leadership,I prefer the tea-leaves than this rather mad market.
And ending the ability of large companies to source low wage labour from Europe might actually increase investment in innovation and technology.
"If only you'd been watching Jean Monnet on Panorama in 1960... The rest of the thread below is interesting too."
My bad. I've asked my social secretary to check my diary for then. We didn't have a television then, and neither did anyone else on our council estate. That explains everything. It's all my own fault that I believed a word those lying politicians told me.
In any case, to the extent that the phenomenon you describe is true, how do you think people in 10 years time will think about Brexit if it goes ahead? They will think they were lied to about the sunlit uplands, lied to about control, lied to about Turkey, etc. Based on your logic Brexit is doomed in the long term, even if you somehow keep it alive for another 8 months.
https://ec.europa.eu/romania/sites/romania/files/tratatul_de_la_roma.pdf
I guess laminate is a bit like PVC, really easy to clean up.
It's obvious what the sane choice is!
Brexit=a calamity!
Brexiteers = xenophobes/little Englanders/thickos (delete as appropriate).
In light of our conversation on the last thread, you might find this of interest:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/eu-emergency-talks-brexit-berlin
Or this:
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2016/06/27/uk-trigger-article-50-immediately/
May did attempt to set out a position prior to this, but was then told it was unacceptable as the EU would only accept something else. They have not budged from that position even to the extent of endorsing policies pioneered by the apartheid regime in South Africa.
They are of course within their rights to do this. They may even believe they are serving the interests of the EU by doing so (I think they're wrong, as I've made clear, but that wouldn't be surprising given the dogmatic and less than intelligent people involved).
However, they have by doing this wrecked any chance of nudging us into EEA - which I and I think most remainers could live with - and given the Brexiteers political cover for their failure, as well as making it almost inconceivable we will ever rejoin the EU. They have behaved arrogantly, complacently and with a total lack of responsibility and deserve all the opprobrium they will get if the consequences for the EU are as negative as I fear.
Assume that the Commons decide to revoke A.50 and the EU agrees. The next election for the EU Parliament would see UKIP win c.40% or so. Added to the Sweden Democrats, Law & Justice, Lega, FN, AFD, Fidesz, FPO, that's a great many troublemakers.
Ted Heath was too enthusiastic about the EEC to lie - "yesterday's man", and so on.
Disowned then by the same people who now wear their superiority like a garland of honour, and who are wrong again.